Hate and help level the system, not the role-playing people conned into USING that system. Its all about spirography… ie. What goes around, comes around, after being handed-on a thousand times. Capitalists decided to be a bill bill bill land instead of a give give give land, and what was sent around, came around. You invoiced folks, and folks invoiced you, so you invoiced harder, ad folks invoiced YOU harder, so you invoiced even MORE hide-gougy, and it came back to bite your ass. Spirography. Each petal of the spirograph flower… is a LOOP and not a point. Everything is handed-on… bills or giving. The only way to beat it, is to abolish economies and ownership… an inevitable. Did you once believe-in capitalism/economies/pyramids? Do you still?

My apologies to folks who are tired of hearing this same theory over and over from me, here at DV. I get repetitive… but I’m never wrong. :)

Today a producer/packager working on a mega scale but using some “organic’ farming techniques is labels organic and yet the distance from farm to market/fork can be thousands of miles requiring packaging and processing for preservation.

Just a the green revolution was not GREEN, such Orwellian spins have occured with organic.

One can use sustainable local farming methods and never be certified as organic by the Feds. Pollan has made this incredibly apparent in his book Omivore’s Dilemma. The distinctions between local biodiversity and “organic” labels are real.

As far as nutrients, there is some controversy, but it studies by the University of Connecticut have confirmed that nutrients acquired through natural nitrogin are significantly more than those produce fertilized by non-natural nutrients. It makes intuitive sense.

The less packaging and preservatives required as well as the distance traveled to the table are as important as as whether a farm uses pesticides or what kind of fertilizer is used.

Organic is holistic. Subjectively locally grown just plain tastes better. We can secure it because their is no more than two agents (and frequently only one) between the producer and consumer).

Feeding the world, when biodiversified local farms demonstrate they can yield as much and frequently more than mon0culture farms, there is the capacity to feed the world. Of course there will always be concerns about weather and uncontrollable phenomena in any location; but Indian farmers have been successfully feeding families, villages and towns for thousands of years. They have the means to produce great biodiversity. We could learn from them and other how to feed the world. Cities surrounded by farms is a simple and effective model.

Neoliberal trade policies have been the big cultprits.

http://www.selfdestructivebastards.com/2009/11/organic-myths-and-realities.html

Not much I know, but what have all the gifted intellectuals and leaders done for you lately?
Yeah, me too.

We cannot remove our pre-conceived idea that was taught in our formal courses as it happened during 1500s when people believed that the Earth was at the centre of the Universe.Very few were interested to view through the telescope of Galileo lest they should know the facts against the prevailing misconception or the Church people would exonerate them. Darwin’s theory was not allowed to teach in the class.
I think GM crop is a global conspiracy of the MNCs are to take control over the agriculture in spite of several alternatives.
Science progresses through hurdles and refinement comes in with the passage of time..We in the modern age should encourage the different opinions and start experimenting.If not we are in the middle age.This is also true for the theory of Einstein,Newton,Darwin,Stephen Hawking and others.
It is the motto of all national governments to reduce the cost of production and to have sustainable yield.Organic farming is the only option.
I have seen that those (most of them) who have the back ground of agricultural science cannot shed their pre conceived ideas.I have done it and I indebted to Dr Debal Deb, my mentor and friend for that.(www.cintdis.org)
I have doing organic farming for the last eight years in Govt farm amidst a lot of hurdles and it is the only organic farm among 270 state run farms of West Bengal.I have now 145 folk rice varieties and farmers taking great interest to grow them.In fact we have distributed 45 nos of heirloom folk rice to 130 farmers across the state.And I have seen that we need not use any chemicals for maintaining the yield and we give sustainable return from the field.This knowledge of experience is great for me and the farmers as well.
Cheers
Anupam Paul
Agricultural Training Centre
Govt Of West Bengal
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Kolkata

Morning,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/oct/25/barack-obama-climate-change-copenhagen

The Senate opens a three-day blockbuster of hearings on Tuesday, calling 54 administration officials and environment experts to try to push ahead on a climate change law before a meeting in Copenhagen that is supposed to produce a global action plan on climate change.

James Inhofe, the Oklahoma senator who gained notoriety for calling global warming a hoax, told reporters late on Friday that he and fellow Republicans on the environment and public works committee might refuse to participate.

Inhofe said Republicans would stay away from bill-writing sessions unless they got enough time to review more than 800 pages of proposals in detail. That stay-away would deny the committee a quorum.

Only 57% of Americans believe that the Earth’s atmosphere is warming – a sharp fall from the 77% in 2007, said the poll of 1,500 people by the Pew Research Centre for the People and the Press. Guardian

The people and the press has a real ring to it.

“On top of that,” added Mr. Inhofe, who is a global warming skeptic, “one would think that, prior to legislative hearings, the committee would have a thorough, comprehensive economic analysis to understand how an 900-plus page bill, designed to fundamentally reshape the American economy, affects consumers, small businesses, farmers and American families.” NYT

Mr. Inhofe in his great wisdom is concerned about how it affects consumers, small businesses, farmers and American families. Now just maybe he and a few others who the last time I checked get a free lunch and the favorite soup of the day is chicken soup might be concerned about the money/debt and who controls it. If anybody with half a brain think’s these people care a damn about American or Indian or Chinese families, farmers they have watched to much Fox New’s. There first thought is about the special interest they represent that so far will take us all down the drain in not such slow motion. It appears crops Worldwide in 2009 seeing effects from climate change and in say the year 2019 will it be back to normal. Families Worldwide same how are they doing these day’s? Now the special interest that Inhofe and a few others have sold there soul to the darkside how are they doing. Did anybody ad up the amount of money Wall Street will give in bonuses in 2009? You have to admit because of special interest and something called greed families Worldwide and farmers had to change there lives just a little and now the very people who played the game get billions to do what? Try the same thing over again. This time no second chance. Let’s watch the darkside and there illusion and thought control the next few months. It’s not thought control then what do we call it? Let’s see if we hear it will hurt the American people and what about the kid’s and there future.

PUT A PICTURE OF YODA HERE

Does that look like Inhofe or McConnell or Hatch not exactly.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man’s need, but not any man’s greed.

We have heard the rationales offered by the nuclear superpowers. We know who speaks for the nations. But who speaks for the human species? Who speaks for Earth?

Would that be Inhofe or McConnell or Hatch speaking for human species for the Earth? I think not wise one’s.
Don

Clearly, good organic farming practices, native varieities and food plants, and saved seed is more than enough to feed everyone. We need to empower decentralized, local veganic agriculture, de-consumerizing the system and introducing people to real, healthy food.

Aruna this is the answer from our so called leaders in the States. It’s about two things money and power. It’s also total insanity and for us to try we need to work together. That article in the Guardian would you call that working together? To get the public we the people to make there voice heard could help but appears the illusion the old thought control is working. The Earth is cooling now, sure it is.

Back then, at 22, I had read authors like Wendell Berry and Sir Albert Howard and I thought to myself: This is the way to go. People will re-awaken and most will understand the necessity of family farms and independent holdings and life will be good for farmers like me.

I was wrong.

I couldn’t have been more wrong if I tried. I HATE YOU, AMERIKA.