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		<title>By: lloyd</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/perspective-in-shanghai/#comment-57626</link>
		<dc:creator>lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Andy.  I&#039;ve been having fantasies about &quot;What if the ATP (the major tennis tour) actually had an active union? &quot;  Because tennis is becoming increasingly international at the top; and sports is so much a part of American (and my) consciousness; and after all, wasn&#039;t it GBS who hoped sports would become  &quot;the moral equivalent of war&quot;?  

Of course &quot;ATP&quot; stands for the Association of Tennis Professionals, but its members have no say about anything from how many tournaments they have to play every year to qualify for the big money to whether a &quot;sky cam&quot; will be used to decide disputed points. 

Howsoever, your views in your article and your comment were very welcome,  and frankly they help me accept the fact that if my particular fantasy ever materializes, it will not be soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Andy.  I&#8217;ve been having fantasies about &#8220;What if the ATP (the major tennis tour) actually had an active union? &#8221;  Because tennis is becoming increasingly international at the top; and sports is so much a part of American (and my) consciousness; and after all, wasn&#8217;t it GBS who hoped sports would become  &#8220;the moral equivalent of war&#8221;?  </p>
<p>Of course &#8220;ATP&#8221; stands for the Association of Tennis Professionals, but its members have no say about anything from how many tournaments they have to play every year to qualify for the big money to whether a &#8220;sky cam&#8221; will be used to decide disputed points. </p>
<p>Howsoever, your views in your article and your comment were very welcome,  and frankly they help me accept the fact that if my particular fantasy ever materializes, it will not be soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Best</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/perspective-in-shanghai/#comment-57580</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Best</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lloyd,

Shanghai TV/Dragon TV is a city wide private cable channel. I always watch international soccer games and English premier league soccer games there, it&#039;s fairly normal. The commentary grates a bit as the guys who call the games are quite racist and sexist at times. 

As for the Tennis comps. It&#039;s just a normal type privately run tennis comp. The attendance is more to do with the timing and location. It&#039;s a prestige event and they built the new stadium and site way out in a suburb, but not that many people have cars and that particular suburb doesn&#039;t have a rail link yet (Shanghai metro and public transport is excellent mind you). Also, the ticket prices are high too. 

So most people are cut out of it logistically. Although a lot of people go out for the bigger names if they can, mainly ex-pats and richer locals who live in that area. It&#039;s not really my thing, to be honest.

Then again, despite all the Olympic hype and nationalism, people here are not that into sports unless it&#039;s done up in ideology. The local soccer team, Shanghai Shenhua, have an amazing soccer stadium and affordable games, as well as being situated in a working class neighbourhood, but the games are half empty. The reason? People are all like &quot;oh, Chinese men&#039;s soccer is no good, they don&#039;t win.&quot; Only the hard core sports fans are there. 

Young people play a lot of basketball these days because that&#039;s what&#039;s mainly provided at city schools. To become a pro sports person, they still run the system where young kids who seem to have good fitness are whisked off to sports schools, but regular schools and colleges do not have meaningful programs or tournaments.

It&#039;s an odd situation because the nation as a culture is quite into it&#039;s traditional health and fitness lore. You&#039;d think that more sports in education or in the community would push through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lloyd,</p>
<p>Shanghai TV/Dragon TV is a city wide private cable channel. I always watch international soccer games and English premier league soccer games there, it&#8217;s fairly normal. The commentary grates a bit as the guys who call the games are quite racist and sexist at times. </p>
<p>As for the Tennis comps. It&#8217;s just a normal type privately run tennis comp. The attendance is more to do with the timing and location. It&#8217;s a prestige event and they built the new stadium and site way out in a suburb, but not that many people have cars and that particular suburb doesn&#8217;t have a rail link yet (Shanghai metro and public transport is excellent mind you). Also, the ticket prices are high too. </p>
<p>So most people are cut out of it logistically. Although a lot of people go out for the bigger names if they can, mainly ex-pats and richer locals who live in that area. It&#8217;s not really my thing, to be honest.</p>
<p>Then again, despite all the Olympic hype and nationalism, people here are not that into sports unless it&#8217;s done up in ideology. The local soccer team, Shanghai Shenhua, have an amazing soccer stadium and affordable games, as well as being situated in a working class neighbourhood, but the games are half empty. The reason? People are all like &#8220;oh, Chinese men&#8217;s soccer is no good, they don&#8217;t win.&#8221; Only the hard core sports fans are there. </p>
<p>Young people play a lot of basketball these days because that&#8217;s what&#8217;s mainly provided at city schools. To become a pro sports person, they still run the system where young kids who seem to have good fitness are whisked off to sports schools, but regular schools and colleges do not have meaningful programs or tournaments.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an odd situation because the nation as a culture is quite into it&#8217;s traditional health and fitness lore. You&#8217;d think that more sports in education or in the community would push through.</p>
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		<title>By: lloyd</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/perspective-in-shanghai/#comment-57529</link>
		<dc:creator>lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently watched the Shanghai Master Tennis Tournament, in California.   It was presented by US TV of course, and the images were far from being pro-China.  The main image that sticks with me is the almost deserted stands, with several spectators photographed from such a distance that they looked like commissars attending the trial of an offender.

Do you watch Shanghai TV and tennis?  If so, I&#039;d appreciate your thoughts on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently watched the Shanghai Master Tennis Tournament, in California.   It was presented by US TV of course, and the images were far from being pro-China.  The main image that sticks with me is the almost deserted stands, with several spectators photographed from such a distance that they looked like commissars attending the trial of an offender.</p>
<p>Do you watch Shanghai TV and tennis?  If so, I&#8217;d appreciate your thoughts on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Best</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/perspective-in-shanghai/#comment-57508</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Best</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al

I had the good fortune to see Arundhati Roy at the Shanghai Literary Festival a year or two back. After she spent a couple of hours going over the situation in India and developing countries, talking in detail about the poverty splits, some guy asked her &quot;But what about the economic miracle.&quot;

It&#039;s like a propaganda slogan that some people can&#039;t get past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al</p>
<p>I had the good fortune to see Arundhati Roy at the Shanghai Literary Festival a year or two back. After she spent a couple of hours going over the situation in India and developing countries, talking in detail about the poverty splits, some guy asked her &#8220;But what about the economic miracle.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like a propaganda slogan that some people can&#8217;t get past.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/perspective-in-shanghai/#comment-57494</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lichen, this is true of all 3rd world economic &quot;miracles&quot;. India is another example. Even animals in Europe live in a more human enviornment than the poor in India.

This is what Capatalism is all about!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lichen, this is true of all 3rd world economic &#8220;miracles&#8221;. India is another example. Even animals in Europe live in a more human enviornment than the poor in India.</p>
<p>This is what Capatalism is all about!</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
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		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China runs a sweatshop economy, where the poor masses are miserably exploited, polluted, and impoverished--and like many countries in the world, official policy encourages or forces poor people off of their traditional farm lands and into an abyss.  There is no &quot;miracle&quot; involved, and making admiring comments of it&#039;s radical capitalism and authoritarian crushing of dissent is ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China runs a sweatshop economy, where the poor masses are miserably exploited, polluted, and impoverished&#8211;and like many countries in the world, official policy encourages or forces poor people off of their traditional farm lands and into an abyss.  There is no &#8220;miracle&#8221; involved, and making admiring comments of it&#8217;s radical capitalism and authoritarian crushing of dissent is ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/perspective-in-shanghai/#comment-57482</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>----- Original Message ----- 
From: DanE 
To: atz@onetel.net.uk 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:04 PM
Subject: shanghai
Hey Atz, great article, dig your unique POV, sent many your pieces to my email list -- but how could you write an article about Zionism in Shanghai without mentioning Sir Victor Sassoon even once? 
Hehe, take it easy, 
 
Dan:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;&#8211; Original Message &#8212;&#8211;<br />
From: DanE<br />
To: <a href="mailto:&#x61;&#x74;&#x7a;&#x40;&#x6f;&#x6e;&#x65;&#x74;&#x65;&#x6c;&#x2e;&#x6e;&#x65;&#x74;&#x2e;&#x75;&#x6b;"><span class="oe_textdirection">&#x6b;&#x75;&#x2e;&#x74;&#x65;&#x6e;&#x2e;&#x6c;&#x65;&#x74;&#x65;&#x6e;&#x6f;<span class="oe_displaynone">null</span>&#x40;&#x7a;&#x74;&#x61;</span></a><br />
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:04 PM<br />
Subject: shanghai<br />
Hey Atz, great article, dig your unique POV, sent many your pieces to my email list &#8212; but how could you write an article about Zionism in Shanghai without mentioning Sir Victor Sassoon even once?<br />
Hehe, take it easy, </p>
<p>Dan:)</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/perspective-in-shanghai/#comment-57477</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy...Thanks for the view that so few of us know about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy&#8230;Thanks for the view that so few of us know about.</p>
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		<title>By: RH2</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/perspective-in-shanghai/#comment-57476</link>
		<dc:creator>RH2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Andy, I have understood your sympathy and at the same time your realistic view. China is indeed a huge ground for toxic waste and cruel police activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Andy, I have understood your sympathy and at the same time your realistic view. China is indeed a huge ground for toxic waste and cruel police activity.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Best</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/perspective-in-shanghai/#comment-57474</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Best</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello RH2, thanks for the comment.

I&#039;m not concerned with Gilad&#039;s background or his writing on Israel. I would write the same response to anyone who gave such an &#039;analysis&#039; of China when a more realistic view is in plain view with a minimum of research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello RH2, thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not concerned with Gilad&#8217;s background or his writing on Israel. I would write the same response to anyone who gave such an &#8216;analysis&#8217; of China when a more realistic view is in plain view with a minimum of research.</p>
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		<title>By: RH2</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/perspective-in-shanghai/#comment-57472</link>
		<dc:creator>RH2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gilad Atzmon does not often allow comments on his articles. You often find, “comments are closed on this article”. A kind of Marxism? He somewhat enjoys protection by being a Jew. Had he belonged to some other ethnic group, he would probably not play Jazz too long, definitely not in China. But Israelis do not kill their dissidents without further ado. One must be a serious existential threat to Zionism in order to be a candidate for vanishing. Zionists are only then afraid if the opponent can really change things to their disadvantage. If you study Marx and make music, you are usually not that dangerous. On the contrary some other ethnic populations have provided us with empirical evidence that they can easily kill their own people. His silly “Chinese miracle” is indeed a considerable human and environmental disaster. Atzmon seems to have found some inane Hegelian Universalism in Shanghai.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gilad Atzmon does not often allow comments on his articles. You often find, “comments are closed on this article”. A kind of Marxism? He somewhat enjoys protection by being a Jew. Had he belonged to some other ethnic group, he would probably not play Jazz too long, definitely not in China. But Israelis do not kill their dissidents without further ado. One must be a serious existential threat to Zionism in order to be a candidate for vanishing. Zionists are only then afraid if the opponent can really change things to their disadvantage. If you study Marx and make music, you are usually not that dangerous. On the contrary some other ethnic populations have provided us with empirical evidence that they can easily kill their own people. His silly “Chinese miracle” is indeed a considerable human and environmental disaster. Atzmon seems to have found some inane Hegelian Universalism in Shanghai.</p>
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