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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas vancouver</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/just-green-jobs/#comment-57807</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas vancouver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also progress-regress shld be part of a governance; i.e., constitution shld guarantee that in a very-well-developed and getting-better-democracy people shld be in on also consumption-education-innovation, etc.

If only some people, whether 0001% or 5%, largely or wholy control also these aspects of life, this can be booked as debit and not as profit or progress.
This too is regression!
Alas, in US we do not have even an incipient democracy. What we have there appears the best-developed fascist governance ever set up and thus have also fascist gov&#039;ts.

Without elimination or diminishment of fascism, all that is left to do is patching old pants.
Possibly no progress is possible without regress. However, progress-regress managed by a much democratic society wld be more palatable or people might decide that we have not any socalled progress if there is probability that some people wld get hurt!
Wld the actual rulers go for this? Not likely! As long as 90%+ of people are near-utterly excluded from a governance, we can only expect the usual: crimes against aliens and nature! tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also progress-regress shld be part of a governance; i.e., constitution shld guarantee that in a very-well-developed and getting-better-democracy people shld be in on also consumption-education-innovation, etc.</p>
<p>If only some people, whether 0001% or 5%, largely or wholy control also these aspects of life, this can be booked as debit and not as profit or progress.<br />
This too is regression!<br />
Alas, in US we do not have even an incipient democracy. What we have there appears the best-developed fascist governance ever set up and thus have also fascist gov&#8217;ts.</p>
<p>Without elimination or diminishment of fascism, all that is left to do is patching old pants.<br />
Possibly no progress is possible without regress. However, progress-regress managed by a much democratic society wld be more palatable or people might decide that we have not any socalled progress if there is probability that some people wld get hurt!<br />
Wld the actual rulers go for this? Not likely! As long as 90%+ of people are near-utterly excluded from a governance, we can only expect the usual: crimes against aliens and nature! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: B99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/just-green-jobs/#comment-57793</link>
		<dc:creator>B99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the notion of throwing government support behind alternative energy is the empirical answer to Russell&#039;s offer that only a command economy will reduce carbon emissions.  But to say that computer chips are a poor comparison is to miss that point.  Historical computer chip development support by the gov&#039;t is the precise analog to gov&#039;t support for alternative energy. 

What is proven to change consumption patterns is an economic downturn.  Maybe nothing else can do so.  Alternative energy will be forced on us by a long-term diminished economic condition.  They will accompany each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the notion of throwing government support behind alternative energy is the empirical answer to Russell&#8217;s offer that only a command economy will reduce carbon emissions.  But to say that computer chips are a poor comparison is to miss that point.  Historical computer chip development support by the gov&#8217;t is the precise analog to gov&#8217;t support for alternative energy. </p>
<p>What is proven to change consumption patterns is an economic downturn.  Maybe nothing else can do so.  Alternative energy will be forced on us by a long-term diminished economic condition.  They will accompany each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/just-green-jobs/#comment-57791</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alternative energy is certainly something the government could &quot;throw its support behind&quot;, but more, much more is needed. All too frequently we look only at production (which is what energy is all about) and rarely about consumption (upstream and down). Ignoring consumption is a major problem. Looking at our needs from a consumption perspective, shifts the entire scope of the problem and makes solutions much more achievable (and I would argue on a heightened moral and sustainable plan).

Like alternative energy, technology will not solve this problem, in fact alternative energy is about technological solutions to non-technological problems.

Computer chips are a poor (tho appreciated) comparison.

But for sure, subsidization is a big issue, and one that could, if applied appropriately do much to begin the process. Energy though needs to be looked at from the other end - are there limits to our material wants and needs? Would a reduction in demand, stablize our energy needs regardless of the source?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alternative energy is certainly something the government could &#8220;throw its support behind&#8221;, but more, much more is needed. All too frequently we look only at production (which is what energy is all about) and rarely about consumption (upstream and down). Ignoring consumption is a major problem. Looking at our needs from a consumption perspective, shifts the entire scope of the problem and makes solutions much more achievable (and I would argue on a heightened moral and sustainable plan).</p>
<p>Like alternative energy, technology will not solve this problem, in fact alternative energy is about technological solutions to non-technological problems.</p>
<p>Computer chips are a poor (tho appreciated) comparison.</p>
<p>But for sure, subsidization is a big issue, and one that could, if applied appropriately do much to begin the process. Energy though needs to be looked at from the other end &#8211; are there limits to our material wants and needs? Would a reduction in demand, stablize our energy needs regardless of the source?</p>
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		<title>By: b99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/just-green-jobs/#comment-57778</link>
		<dc:creator>b99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell - Why does it take a command economy to reduce carbon emissions?  Are not regulations a daily part of living in a civilized society?   Why can&#039;t our goverment throw its support behind alternative fuels the way it threw its support behind say, the devlopment of the computer chip a couple of decades ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell &#8211; Why does it take a command economy to reduce carbon emissions?  Are not regulations a daily part of living in a civilized society?   Why can&#8217;t our goverment throw its support behind alternative fuels the way it threw its support behind say, the devlopment of the computer chip a couple of decades ago?</p>
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		<title>By: russell olausen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/just-green-jobs/#comment-57764</link>
		<dc:creator>russell olausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a big distraction, the real green agenda has people standing under a tree to keep the snow off. The powers that be know only a command economy will reduce carbon and we all know from 90 years of propaganda what bolshevism looks like with boots on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a big distraction, the real green agenda has people standing under a tree to keep the snow off. The powers that be know only a command economy will reduce carbon and we all know from 90 years of propaganda what bolshevism looks like with boots on.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/just-green-jobs/#comment-57717</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Green jobs are fine, but in the end they are a cynical attempt to push the problem from it&#039;s source.

In order to understand the problem it is essential to understand its massive expanse. Green jobs, planting trees, changing light bulbs, going to a park, are cyncial politically correct slogans to a problem that is global, deeply systemic and institutionalized. It is bound up in geopolitical corporate trade agreements, the dissolvement of sovereignty, replaced by hegemonic take over wherever &quot;US national interest&quot; demands it. Our attempts to solve it by doing more of the same with green &quot;paint&quot; is a joke that is doomed for a tragic ending...and it is all about keeping what is just the way it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Green jobs are fine, but in the end they are a cynical attempt to push the problem from it&#8217;s source.</p>
<p>In order to understand the problem it is essential to understand its massive expanse. Green jobs, planting trees, changing light bulbs, going to a park, are cyncial politically correct slogans to a problem that is global, deeply systemic and institutionalized. It is bound up in geopolitical corporate trade agreements, the dissolvement of sovereignty, replaced by hegemonic take over wherever &#8220;US national interest&#8221; demands it. Our attempts to solve it by doing more of the same with green &#8220;paint&#8221; is a joke that is doomed for a tragic ending&#8230;and it is all about keeping what is just the way it is.</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/just-green-jobs/#comment-57714</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, green jobs are very important--with so many people unable to live because of lack of employment, clearly, we need to give everyone oppurtunities and positions that are not reinforcing the chemicalization, pollution, and destruction of this planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, green jobs are very important&#8211;with so many people unable to live because of lack of employment, clearly, we need to give everyone oppurtunities and positions that are not reinforcing the chemicalization, pollution, and destruction of this planet.</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/just-green-jobs/#comment-57704</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minus the choice cuts, of course...
You know, the kidneys, livers, hearts, eyes, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minus the choice cuts, of course&#8230;<br />
You know, the kidneys, livers, hearts, eyes, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/just-green-jobs/#comment-57694</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More like Goylent Green.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More like Goylent Green.</p>
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		<title>By: Obstreperous</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/just-green-jobs/#comment-57686</link>
		<dc:creator>Obstreperous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe green pet chefs too?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/2987848/Save-the-planet-time-to-eat-dog
Hey, let&#039;s just go for it...Soylent Green.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe green pet chefs too?<br />
<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/2987848/Save-the-planet-time-to-eat-dog" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/2987848/Save-the-planet-time-to-eat-dog</a><br />
Hey, let&#8217;s just go for it&#8230;Soylent Green.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/just-green-jobs/#comment-57653</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CANBERRA, Oct 21 (Reuters) - Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd warned the nation on Wednesday to brace for a severe bushfire season as fire crews battled intense blazes stoking memories of infernos earlier this year which killed 173 people.

With the fire season barely under way, firefighters from two Australian states have been battling huge blazes threatening the northeastern tropical city of Rockhampton and coastal hamlets further south in New South Wales.

&quot;I would urge all Australians to make sure they are fully prepared for the challenges which will be alive during this bushfire season,&quot; Rudd told parliament.

Authorities have warned the current fire season could rival &quot;Black Saturday&quot; blazes in February which scorched through southern Victoria state, destroying more than 2,000 homes and leaving behind a A$1.12 billion ($1.04 billion) insurance bill.

Those fires, fanned by a heat wave and winds topping 100 km per hour, caused the highest ever loss of life from bushfire in the world&#039;s most fire-prone country.

But with drought, climate change and dry forest undergrowth combining to create perfect fire conditions across much of the country, authorities say the December-February summer months could bring the highest fire risk Australia has ever faced.  REU

   On the other end of planet Earth the lid has been taken off and weather not climate will be changing fast for the Northern Hemisphere. I see where some are witting about how Many Americans are cooling to the idea of climate change. The truth about what is coming down the track just might be good but we can&#039;t handle the truth that&#039;s right but I guess we can handle the truth illusion that a few people who control media, bank&#039;s, business, policy and our thoughts tell us sort of in between the games people play now every night and everyday now, oh the games people play.  Did anybody happen to see Glenn Beck and his baseball bat prop, so cool. Remember these people are anything but at calm at peace there nut&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CANBERRA, Oct 21 (Reuters) &#8211; Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd warned the nation on Wednesday to brace for a severe bushfire season as fire crews battled intense blazes stoking memories of infernos earlier this year which killed 173 people.</p>
<p>With the fire season barely under way, firefighters from two Australian states have been battling huge blazes threatening the northeastern tropical city of Rockhampton and coastal hamlets further south in New South Wales.</p>
<p>&#8220;I would urge all Australians to make sure they are fully prepared for the challenges which will be alive during this bushfire season,&#8221; Rudd told parliament.</p>
<p>Authorities have warned the current fire season could rival &#8220;Black Saturday&#8221; blazes in February which scorched through southern Victoria state, destroying more than 2,000 homes and leaving behind a A$1.12 billion ($1.04 billion) insurance bill.</p>
<p>Those fires, fanned by a heat wave and winds topping 100 km per hour, caused the highest ever loss of life from bushfire in the world&#8217;s most fire-prone country.</p>
<p>But with drought, climate change and dry forest undergrowth combining to create perfect fire conditions across much of the country, authorities say the December-February summer months could bring the highest fire risk Australia has ever faced.  REU</p>
<p>   On the other end of planet Earth the lid has been taken off and weather not climate will be changing fast for the Northern Hemisphere. I see where some are witting about how Many Americans are cooling to the idea of climate change. The truth about what is coming down the track just might be good but we can&#8217;t handle the truth that&#8217;s right but I guess we can handle the truth illusion that a few people who control media, bank&#8217;s, business, policy and our thoughts tell us sort of in between the games people play now every night and everyday now, oh the games people play.  Did anybody happen to see Glenn Beck and his baseball bat prop, so cool. Remember these people are anything but at calm at peace there nut&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/just-green-jobs/#comment-57643</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marching for a ... JOB!!!!

Wow GREEN wage slavery -- how quaint.

HO HO HO ... Green Slavery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marching for a &#8230; JOB!!!!</p>
<p>Wow GREEN wage slavery &#8212; how quaint.</p>
<p>HO HO HO &#8230; Green Slavery.</p>
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