Comments on: How the “Most Moral Army in the World” Wages War on Students http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:49:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: B99 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-59798 B99 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:48:08 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-59798 AAA – you have no idea of what you speak. Did you make this up or do you just hop from Zionist link to Zionist link?

]]> By: AAA http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-59794 AAA Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:34:59 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-59794 Further, I still cannot grasp in mind how some respondentents blame the Jews of having individualistic views regarding the Non-Jews and hating them so much. Historival facts tell us that the opposite was true. It was the Jews who were restricted to Ghettos in many countries they lived in. It was the Jews who were legally discriminated by the law. It was the Jews who tried to manifest loyalty to the countries in which they resided in by contributing to society inall field of life.
I feel that some posters here are still mentally captivated by the old idea that Jews still want to drink Christians’ blood in Passover. That is a very primitive way of thinking which is still influencing some of the twisted minds here.

]]> By: AAA http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-59792 AAA Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:16:29 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-59792 I must say I have been disgusted by some of the commentators here up to the point I had to take some pills to keep me off vomitting.
In my humble opinion, there is no difference between a human life belonging to one side or another. From what I have read till now, some respondentents think that the blood of a Palestinian is more red than an Israeli citizen.
Human life is precious whether they are Jewish or Plestinian. Comparing numbers as some posters did here only strengthens my feeling that the one who does so does not really care human life at all. It is only an excuse to whip Israel per se.
Jews have their full right to live in their ancestral land. Though many of them tried to assimilate in the Non-Jewish society culturally and mentally, they were always reminded that they are Jews. Many centuries were of humiliation, persecution and discrimination. With such conditions there were no other options left for the Zionists who trully saw no possibility for Jewish normal life.
The Zionist leaders trully wished to live in peace with the Arab civilians. The innocent naive perspective of Zhabutinsky and other Zionists was that there would be a Jewish President supported by an Arab vice-one. It was Ben-Gurion who agreed to the 1947 Partition Plan whereas the Arab Leadership rejected any idea of a free Jewish state at any boundaries.
The Palestinian population in the West Bank is ten times bigger that it was when Israel was first established. As such, no claims of any Genocide can be accepted by a rational person .
Some posters do not know that there has been Jewish population living in the Old Palestine Land for centuries and centuries. One example was the Hebron Jewish Community which had ancient roots to the place and were slaughtered mercilessly by the Arab civilians.
And I have not mentioned yet the insurgent Arab terror attacks on the innocent Jewish civilians in 1921, 1927,1937…..when the Jewish population was so scanty and no Jew even dreamt of having a Jewish Independent State.
Some posters do not know that even before the occupation of the West Bank by the Israeli Army in 1967, there were endless attacks of PLO intruders who killed Israeli children sleeping in their beds or studying at school ( as in Ma’alot ). Many posters here do not know that in several occasions there were buses full of innocent people hijacked by Palestinian attackers. And what about the terror attacks on Israeli population centres at the time of the late Yizhak Rabin who wanted to make peace with all his might ?
What sovereign entity would agree to be endlessly attacked by its enemies without retaliating or responding back ?
Would UK agree that its citizens be attacked and not punish those who try to violate the normal course of its citizens’ lives ?
Trying to blame Israel as the only cause for the tragic conflict between her and the Palestinians is one-dimensional and very superficial thinking.
Jews kept their identity throughout generations not because they necessarily wanted so but because they were unaccepted by the Non-Jews.
Blaming Jews as havivng distinctive tendencies and hate to Non-Jews is another misconstrue. Jews tried to be loyal to the countries in which they lived in. Just s an example, Jews served in the armies of the countries in which they resided. Ten percent of the Jewish soldiers who served the German Army in the First World War got killed on the behalf of their beloved ‘homeland’. Blaming the Jews of having tendencies to hate the Non-Jews reveals in itself the hatred the commentator feels towards Jews but no vice versa.
Sorry that the empathy to the poor Palestinian people ( and they are really poor ) comes at the expense of hating Israelis and Jews.

]]> By: b99 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-59181 b99 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:28:53 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-59181 No Sybil – As distasteful as these situations are – none constitutes an illegal occupation. How could you not know that – unfortunately for the Tibetans – that the world recognizes China’s dominion over Tibet? Similarly, the nation’s of the world have never questioned that Darfur is Sudan, nor that Kashmir’s ruler opted to join India (albeit a poor decision). You may in the long run be correct about a piece Georgia being illegally occupied by Russia. Of course, the actual native natural inhabitants of the regions in question – the Abkhazians and Ossetians may beg to differ on the matter – they would like not to under Georgian rule. But hey, Russia may join Israel some day as an official and certified illegal occupier. Not yet though. It’s just Israel.

PS – Don’t confuse politically distressed regions with those considered by the world to be an illegal occupation (the latter would be just this one: Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza). You don’t think illegal occupation’s are desirable traits in a nation, do you? Or is it you that is so clever as to be able to explain such a notion?

]]> By: sybil e bondi http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-59167 sybil e bondi Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:56:15 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-59167 you are very clever b99. you must be an american to be so clever.
i did not realise israel was the only country in the world occupying territory it won in a conflict.
i thought that china occupied tibet,sudan occupies darfur,india occupies kashmir,russia occupies a piece of georgia but if you say that israelis the only country in the then it must be true as you are very clever and can spell correctly,apart from people’s names.

]]> By: Mary http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-59153 Mary Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:06:00 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-59153 Another enduring example of man’s inhumanity to man and the Zionists ask us why they are held in such opprobrium. I remember watching the IDF attack on the Jericho prison with the use of bulldozers and couldn’t believe what I was seeing. Some rule of law!

On October 22, Sa’adat’s isolation was extended an additional six months by an Israeli military court, after he had already spent six months in isolation. Sa’adat, the General Secretary of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, was elected to his position in 2001 following the assassination of the previous General Secretary, Abu Ali Mustafa, on August 27, 2001 by a U.S.-made Apache missile shot from an Israeli military helicopter as he sat in his office in Ramallah. He was abducted by Palestinian Authority security forces after engaging in a meeting with PA officials under false pretenses in February 2002, and was held in the Muqata’ PA presidential building in Ramallah until April 2002, when in an agreement with Israel, the U.S. and Britain, he and four of his comrades were held in the Palestinian Authority’s Jericho prison, under U.S. and British guard.

He remained in the PA jails, without trial or charge, an imprisonment that was internationally condemned, until March 14, 2006, when the prison itself was besieged by the occupation army and he and his comrades were kidnapped. While imprisoned in the PA jail in Jericho, he was elected to the Palestinian Legislative Council. Since that time, he has been held in the prisons of the occupation and continually refused to recognize the illegitimate military courts of the Israeli occupation. He was sentenced to 30 years in prison on December 25, 2008 solely for his political activity, and has spent over six months in isolation at the present time.

On March 18, 2009, Sa’adat was moved into isolation at Asqelan prison, facing serious medical consequences. In June 2009, Sa’adat engaged in a nine-day hunger strike against his isolation. On August 10, 2009, Sa’adat was moved from the isolation cells at Asqelan to the isolation unit at Ramon prison in the Naqab desert. On October 22, 2009, he was consigned to an additional six months in the isolation cells.

Sa’adat’s biography, writings and statements are available at the website of the Campaign to Free Ahmad Sa’adat.
http://www.freeahmadsaadat.org/

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Ref. Berlanty, I heard this report on the BBC World Service early this morning that there are as many 25,000 Palestinians living in the West Bank who are at the same risk of being rounded up and carted off to Gaza. They were there before the pass laws were tightened. An Apartheid state for sure, that gallant little state with its dirty little secret, Dimona, no longer secret thanks to the brave Mordechai Vanunu.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8356103.stm

]]> By: Bera http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-59148 Bera Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:17:44 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-59148 And for all ignorant here and jewish who don’t understand Farsi:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5866

]]> By: Bera http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-59147 Bera Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:14:48 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-59147 they betrayed Germans, just imagine like Chinese doing that in the US, then get back to Germany after the war to occupy it, lol

The hatred started there not in Arab Land, LOL

now they want to f…. the US, it why they look so nice in the US :) smart.

]]> By: Bera http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-59146 Bera Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:11:44 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-59146 If you want to know when that started, read this,

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7429

It started in WWI, then in WWII it cost the revenge price, now they want to start WW3?

]]> By: Mary http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-58912 Mary Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:01 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-58912 The latest on Berlanty.
Ma’an News

BU hires lawyers to defend Gazan student in Israeli court
Published today (updated) 09/11/2009 17:25

Berlanty is a Christian Palestinian born
in Gaza [MaanImages]Bethlehem

Bethlehem University is following up the court case of Gazan student Berlanty Azzam deemed to be residing illegally in the West Bank by Israeli courts, a university official stressed in a radio interview on Monday.

Dr Mousa Darweesh, assistant to the executive vice president of Bethlehem University added that the university hired lawyers to defend Berlanty Azzam’s case in the Israeli court. He promised Azzam that she will return to her studies at Bethlehem University and graduate.

Azzam, a fourth-year business student at Bethlehem University, three credits away from graduation, was seized from a minibus on her way back from a job interview in Ramallah on 29 October. Soldiers kept her at an Israeli military checkpoint inside the West Bank for five hours, then blindfolded and transported her to the Gaza Strip, where her family lives.

“I want to finish my college education and I’m appealing to anyone who can help me… I want to return to my books and everything at my home in Beit Sahour [near Bethlehem], Azzam revealed in an interview at the time.

Bethlehem University, a Catholic college affiliated with the Vatican, has filed suit in an Israeli court to overturn her deportation.

]]> By: B99 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-58906 B99 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:44:54 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-58906 Gareeth and Sid – No “Jew hating’ here – at least not from me. On the contrary. I support a two-state solution – with Israel behind ’67 borders, and Palestine in all of the West Bank and Gaza. I also support the just resolution of the Palestinian refugee problem. So what’s racist about that?

On the other hand, the Zionists on this website are not willing to concede that Palestinians should also have a homeland in Palestine – even as they endorse the takeover of the rest of Palestine.

So who are the racists on DV? Not me! But quite clearly the Zionists.

]]> By: Noisy Tappet http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-58900 Noisy Tappet Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:57:08 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-58900 Gareeth, if the Jews are so politically progressive why do they not rein in their Zionist brethren who are trashing the Holy Land and murdering its people? Yes, a good many Jews do actively oppose them and deplore what they are doing, but not nearly enough.

]]> By: gareeth http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-58898 gareeth Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:01:56 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-58898 Mary,
I am new here so what is Hasbara? And when did Amnesty International come up?

]]> By: Mary http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-58896 Mary Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:52:10 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-58896 sid and gareeth, the good little Hasbara double act. Pathetic.

Amnesty International jew hating? Well I never.

You both should have been with me last week at two meetings in London. Firstly hearing of the arrest, torture and imprisonment of a boy of 14 (one of 700 each year) for throwing stones at your hideous wall and secondly hearing Dr Mads Gilbert on his experiences at El Shifa Hospital during Cast Lead. The photographs of the amputations caused by Israel’s use of the hideous DIME weapons will be forever in my memory. No child should be harmed.

]]> By: gareeth http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-58895 gareeth Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:34:08 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-58895 Thank you for the reply. It is perplexing to come to a site and see such blatant anti semitism in a progressive forum. It is shocking to me and quite troubling. These politics are difficult to understand.

]]> By: sid wright http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-58894 sid wright Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:29:12 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-58894 gareeth,you are so right
dissident voice seems now to host virulent anti-jewish,not just anti-zionist rhetoric from people like kalidas,b99,bozh and the sad mary copying and and pasting from every jew hating website she can access.
it’s impossible to have any rational argument on any subject without someone posting that the jews are to blame.
it doesn’t help that dissident voice itself regularly publishes articles from virulent jew haters but that is obviously the choice of the editors.
it merely results in the website not being taken seriously by anyone expecting a rational debate

]]> By: gareeth http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-58891 gareeth Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:14:03 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-58891 Can someone here explain to me what the ongoing hatred is all about between Arabs and Jews? I just don’t get it. Jewish people in America are politically the most progressive and to a man will vote for the Democratic party every time. What is with all the animosity against Jews here? They are on the progressive side of everything – why all the hate?
Take away the America factor, what is at the root of the fighting and can it be eliminated? Is it political or religious? I just don’t get it.

]]> By: Annie Ladysmith http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-58881 Annie Ladysmith Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:39:54 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-58881 Do you folks realize that you go round and round in circles every time this subject comes up? Now, what do you think that means? It means: THERE IS NO SOLUTION! How can there ever be peace when you even find it necessary to carry on a posting war on the web?

T GUY: your irrational hatred, low-brow prejudice, and your low-class vocabulary only make people think that you are a moron and probably in a prison somewhere.

DV: i feel that racists slurs of this extreme nature should not be added to the discussion.

]]> By: deceschi http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/how-the-%e2%80%9cmost-moral-army-in-the-world%e2%80%9d-wages-war-on-students/#comment-58874 deceschi Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:39:37 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11557#comment-58874 The Amnesty report is based primarly on data from the PWA. Not really a impartial source.

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