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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A new way of thinking in deeds not words a new way of thinking not for profit or personal gain or power only an illusion in spacetime but to give my kid&#039;s and there kid&#039;s a fighting chance to survive. If we work together and use the knowledge we have with reason and imagination we can do this.  Easy it will not be and a suit and tie is not the answer imagination the truth and at first everything will be made as simple as possible but not simpler will be in deed not words&quot;. &quot;Oh and no more noise generators in our cities&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A new way of thinking in deeds not words a new way of thinking not for profit or personal gain or power only an illusion in spacetime but to give my kid&#8217;s and there kid&#8217;s a fighting chance to survive. If we work together and use the knowledge we have with reason and imagination we can do this.  Easy it will not be and a suit and tie is not the answer imagination the truth and at first everything will be made as simple as possible but not simpler will be in deed not words&#8221;. &#8220;Oh and no more noise generators in our cities&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The direct or exact opposite: Hope is the antithesis of despair. 

The Nobel Peace Prize (Swedish, Danish and Norwegian: Nobels fredspris) is one of five Nobel Prizes bequeathed by the Swedish industrialist and inventor Alfred Nobel. According to Nobel&#039;s will, the Peace Prize should be awarded &quot;to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.&quot;

                                                          
 &quot;Ladies and gentlemen, I have a grave announcement to make. Incredible as it may seem, both the observations of science and the evidence of our eyes lead to the inescapable assumption that we are all in deep do do&quot;.  In the name of peace and for the survival of the human race and all life forms on the third planet from the Sun in spacetime as of today a new way of thinking will begin&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The direct or exact opposite: Hope is the antithesis of despair. </p>
<p>The Nobel Peace Prize (Swedish, Danish and Norwegian: Nobels fredspris) is one of five Nobel Prizes bequeathed by the Swedish industrialist and inventor Alfred Nobel. According to Nobel&#8217;s will, the Peace Prize should be awarded &#8220;to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8220;Ladies and gentlemen, I have a grave announcement to make. Incredible as it may seem, both the observations of science and the evidence of our eyes lead to the inescapable assumption that we are all in deep do do&#8221;.  In the name of peace and for the survival of the human race and all life forms on the third planet from the Sun in spacetime as of today a new way of thinking will begin&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well mary, what else do you expect.?The English establishment has selected for psychopathy for centuries. That an Archbishop and a Rabbi and sundry others meet to honour a creature I believe is one of the great mass murderers, one of the most unprincipled liars and one of the most gigantic egotists of our age, and that the millions of dead whose deaths can be laid at Blair&#039;s feet receive absolutely no mention (I imagine there will be the usual  hypocritically nauseating and evil appeals to &#039;morality&#039; and &#039;ethics&#039; that these fiends specialise in) ought to surprise no one. In a sane, just, world, I believe Blair would be serving a life sentence, without parole, along with Bush, Howard and the others, for his crimes against humanity, but this world is the antithesis of sane and just.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well mary, what else do you expect.?The English establishment has selected for psychopathy for centuries. That an Archbishop and a Rabbi and sundry others meet to honour a creature I believe is one of the great mass murderers, one of the most unprincipled liars and one of the most gigantic egotists of our age, and that the millions of dead whose deaths can be laid at Blair&#8217;s feet receive absolutely no mention (I imagine there will be the usual  hypocritically nauseating and evil appeals to &#8216;morality&#8217; and &#8216;ethics&#8217; that these fiends specialise in) ought to surprise no one. In a sane, just, world, I believe Blair would be serving a life sentence, without parole, along with Bush, Howard and the others, for his crimes against humanity, but this world is the antithesis of sane and just.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HYPOCRISY AND CANT

&#039;Tony Blair, prime minister when the conflict began in 2003, is due to join senior defence figures in attendance.&#039; 
 
Queen to honour UK Iraq personnel  
About 120,000 UK service personnel and civilians served in Iraq.
The Queen and Duke of Edinburgh are to lead the Royal Family at a service of commemoration honouring military and civilian personnel who served in Iraq. 
Veterans and relatives of the 179 people killed will take part in the service at St Paul&#039;s Cathedral, London. 
Tony Blair, prime minister when the conflict began in 2003, is due to join senior defence figures in attendance. 
British combat operations in Iraq officially ended on 30 April with a flag-lowering ceremony in Basra. 
About 120,000 members of the UK armed forces and civilians served in Iraq. 
Other senior royals, including Princes Charles and William, the Duchess of Cornwall and the Princess Royal are expected to attend the service, along with the leaders of Britain&#039;s main political parties.  
UK fatalities in Iraq: In images 
Emotions as UK honours Iraq force  

A candle will be lit on behalf of those who lost their lives by Tracey Hazel, mother of Cpl Ben Leaning, 24, from Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire, who was killed when his armoured vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb in April 2007. 

She said she felt &quot;privileged and honoured&quot; to perform the task. 
&quot;The service is a fantastic idea. It makes me so proud to be British and a lot of other people should be,&quot; she added. 

Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams will bless the centrepiece of the &quot;Basra Wall&quot;, built by troops in front of the 20th Armoured Brigade&#039;s Iraqi HQ to honour fallen comrades. 
The wall, with its brass plaques and marble centre stone, was the focal point of the memorial service in April to mark the end of the UK operation.  It is to be rebuilt at the National Memorial Arboretum in Staffordshire, with the help of a contribution from the Iraqi government...

http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/2009/10/poverty-and-conflict-faith-as.html
 
... Note that there is no mention of the Iraqi casualties in the BBC report above or anything about the effect of two savage wars and sanctions inflicted on the people of that country, the cradle of our civilisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HYPOCRISY AND CANT</p>
<p>&#8216;Tony Blair, prime minister when the conflict began in 2003, is due to join senior defence figures in attendance.&#8217; </p>
<p>Queen to honour UK Iraq personnel<br />
About 120,000 UK service personnel and civilians served in Iraq.<br />
The Queen and Duke of Edinburgh are to lead the Royal Family at a service of commemoration honouring military and civilian personnel who served in Iraq.<br />
Veterans and relatives of the 179 people killed will take part in the service at St Paul&#8217;s Cathedral, London.<br />
Tony Blair, prime minister when the conflict began in 2003, is due to join senior defence figures in attendance.<br />
British combat operations in Iraq officially ended on 30 April with a flag-lowering ceremony in Basra.<br />
About 120,000 members of the UK armed forces and civilians served in Iraq.<br />
Other senior royals, including Princes Charles and William, the Duchess of Cornwall and the Princess Royal are expected to attend the service, along with the leaders of Britain&#8217;s main political parties.<br />
UK fatalities in Iraq: In images<br />
Emotions as UK honours Iraq force  </p>
<p>A candle will be lit on behalf of those who lost their lives by Tracey Hazel, mother of Cpl Ben Leaning, 24, from Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire, who was killed when his armoured vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb in April 2007. </p>
<p>She said she felt &#8220;privileged and honoured&#8221; to perform the task.<br />
&#8220;The service is a fantastic idea. It makes me so proud to be British and a lot of other people should be,&#8221; she added. </p>
<p>Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams will bless the centrepiece of the &#8220;Basra Wall&#8221;, built by troops in front of the 20th Armoured Brigade&#8217;s Iraqi HQ to honour fallen comrades.<br />
The wall, with its brass plaques and marble centre stone, was the focal point of the memorial service in April to mark the end of the UK operation.  It is to be rebuilt at the National Memorial Arboretum in Staffordshire, with the help of a contribution from the Iraqi government&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/2009/10/poverty-and-conflict-faith-as.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/2009/10/poverty-and-conflict-faith-as.html</a></p>
<p>&#8230; Note that there is no mention of the Iraqi casualties in the BBC report above or anything about the effect of two savage wars and sanctions inflicted on the people of that country, the cradle of our civilisation.</p>
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		<title>By: Glowing Face Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glowing Face Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh.  When the USSR entered Afghanistan, that was pretty much what killed them.  Why are we still fighting these wars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh.  When the USSR entered Afghanistan, that was pretty much what killed them.  Why are we still fighting these wars?</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
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		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The senate is a country club for the wealthy elite; there is nothing democratic about it.</description>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
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		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barely 50% of eligible voters voted in the last election, actually.  &#039;Blaming the voters&#039; let&#039;s people like George Bush who murdered millions of people off the hook; lets CNN off the hook for intentionally misleading the public, firing anti-war people like phil donahue, and only giving one side of the evidence.  Blaming voters gets you nowhere.    The politicians are responsible for their war crimes; the media is responsible for it&#039;s propaganda, and if we don&#039;t change the system, there will always be the same results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barely 50% of eligible voters voted in the last election, actually.  &#8216;Blaming the voters&#8217; let&#8217;s people like George Bush who murdered millions of people off the hook; lets CNN off the hook for intentionally misleading the public, firing anti-war people like phil donahue, and only giving one side of the evidence.  Blaming voters gets you nowhere.    The politicians are responsible for their war crimes; the media is responsible for it&#8217;s propaganda, and if we don&#8217;t change the system, there will always be the same results.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No but I did work for a Jewish person years ago.  Had a rather large house on the beach and was a chain smoker. Then of course my grandmother on my fathers side and those stories you hear in a small town two hundred miles out in the middle of the desert.  Then my grandfather on my mothers side who told me once when I was about 10 years old, &quot;I have forgotten more than you will ever learn&quot;, that&#039;s a quote.  He also spoke 7 or 8 languages and we know he was born in Russia. The town I was born in would make a very good book if written with only one thing the truth as the truth is stranger than fiction. From what I understand this person Glenn Beck on Fox News has a new book and number one on New York Times best seller list. Just maybe fiction is stranger than the truth. Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No but I did work for a Jewish person years ago.  Had a rather large house on the beach and was a chain smoker. Then of course my grandmother on my fathers side and those stories you hear in a small town two hundred miles out in the middle of the desert.  Then my grandfather on my mothers side who told me once when I was about 10 years old, &#8220;I have forgotten more than you will ever learn&#8221;, that&#8217;s a quote.  He also spoke 7 or 8 languages and we know he was born in Russia. The town I was born in would make a very good book if written with only one thing the truth as the truth is stranger than fiction. From what I understand this person Glenn Beck on Fox News has a new book and number one on New York Times best seller list. Just maybe fiction is stranger than the truth. Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Senate vote for more money for WAR was 93 in support, 7 opposed.   Only one democrat - Feingold - opposed.  $636 BILLION to kill more innocent people.

This is no surprise.   More than 90% of the voters voted for this during the last election.  We need to stop blaming the government and start holding voters responsible. And about blaming the media - that&#039;s a cop out. Voting has consequences.  

I agree that marching and protesting are not effective.  It&#039;s either ballots or bullets. Take your choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Senate vote for more money for WAR was 93 in support, 7 opposed.   Only one democrat &#8211; Feingold &#8211; opposed.  $636 BILLION to kill more innocent people.</p>
<p>This is no surprise.   More than 90% of the voters voted for this during the last election.  We need to stop blaming the government and start holding voters responsible. And about blaming the media &#8211; that&#8217;s a cop out. Voting has consequences.  </p>
<p>I agree that marching and protesting are not effective.  It&#8217;s either ballots or bullets. Take your choice.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas vancouver</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas vancouver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don, yes
When in america write/talk like ma and pa kettle. It may be s&#039;mwhat broke like mine but can be understood by everybody. It may to dull and too broke.
Speaking like a your mother, that shld be an amercan dream. The other dream, the one that the funni uncle promises doesn&#039;t come without nightmares.
Of course, a black mother, which at one time was  mother of all mothers, speaks ebony, which u and i don&#039;t use.
We need a black  on dv to write in ebony for blacks. Perhaps one of shld learn it and use it on dv to educate black kids! I think deabeat who speaks a lot about blacks but only a litte about whites or people with &#039;tainted&#039;  skin shdl learn that language. tnx don. u&#039;r not a jew, are u. Like maybe hokski? thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don, yes<br />
When in america write/talk like ma and pa kettle. It may be s&#8217;mwhat broke like mine but can be understood by everybody. It may to dull and too broke.<br />
Speaking like a your mother, that shld be an amercan dream. The other dream, the one that the funni uncle promises doesn&#8217;t come without nightmares.<br />
Of course, a black mother, which at one time was  mother of all mothers, speaks ebony, which u and i don&#8217;t use.<br />
We need a black  on dv to write in ebony for blacks. Perhaps one of shld learn it and use it on dv to educate black kids! I think deabeat who speaks a lot about blacks but only a litte about whites or people with &#8216;tainted&#8217;  skin shdl learn that language. tnx don. u&#8217;r not a jew, are u. Like maybe hokski? thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They don`t undertsand the language of clinton and obama; i don`t either!

    I would like to second that.</description>
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<p>    I would like to second that.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas vancouver</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas vancouver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deadbeat,
U`r right ab leaders. I never think of leaders when i right. Some 10 yrs ago i have stopped completely writing to our gov`t and  politicians .

i write having mostly in mind young people and with english that their mother speaks and understands. because that`s the only language they understand.
They don`t undertsand the language of clinton and obama; i don`t either!
It wld be ncie if kids from age ten wld read DV. We have to get to them before movies, tv, pols, cnn, `educators`, priests and other lyars get to them.

In my experience, one can`t talk to most adults about their business; it just isn`t their business. They don`t seem to follow u! tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deadbeat,<br />
U`r right ab leaders. I never think of leaders when i right. Some 10 yrs ago i have stopped completely writing to our gov`t and  politicians .</p>
<p>i write having mostly in mind young people and with english that their mother speaks and understands. because that`s the only language they understand.<br />
They don`t undertsand the language of clinton and obama; i don`t either!<br />
It wld be ncie if kids from age ten wld read DV. We have to get to them before movies, tv, pols, cnn, `educators`, priests and other lyars get to them.</p>
<p>In my experience, one can`t talk to most adults about their business; it just isn`t their business. They don`t seem to follow u! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin Zeese writes ...

&lt;i&gt;that this is the time for dramatic change, but it is not going to happen by following any elected official, but demanding change from them — showing our anger, our organization and refusal to compromise. Of course the right wing responded to the Civil Rights, Vietnam and Environmental movements of the 60s&lt;/i&gt;

There an aspect of what Mr. Zeese is saying that I&#039;m in disagreement.  He says that we need to demand change from the elected officials.  I disagree with that.  What we needed is to forget about the elected officials and demand change from ourselves.  We need to rethink the strategy and become much more militant in our demands and to encourage and produce &quot;leaders&quot; from within.  In other words time to take a page from the old Black Panthers manual.  Going back and relearning their forms of organizing I think has been long forgotten by the Left.

As an example the single payer health care issue is floundering because the demand is too weak and ISOLATED from other aspects that needed to be integrated for the attainment of good health.  First off the system NEVER gives you want to demand you&#039;ll always have to compromise  therefore in order to get single pay you&#039;ll have to THREATEN the system.  A general strike is one way but since so many people are mired in DEBT and with a workforce lacking unionism it going to be difficult to use that as a tactic.  

Therefore in order to tackle the health case issue HOUSING and DEBT repudiation MUST BE INTEGRATED into the demand for single payer with MILITANCY.  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLecmiaG3Uc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Take a listen to David Harvey and Alexander Cockburn in a discussion with Laura Flanders&lt;/a&gt;

Listen to Cockburn suggest DEBT REPUDIATION and how it can be done with militancy to make a huge IMPACT. Also debt repudiation is the only response to the bank bailout with no bailout for ordinary citizens. In addition it also provide strategies to protect from the courts which is used by Capitalist to maintain the immerseration of the working class.  To DEFY the courts and these UNJUST LAWS is the core of MILITANCY.

Is the Left up to the task.  I don&#039;t think so because we still are hearing rhetoric about changing the politicians.  Fuck the politicians.  It&#039;s time for PEOPLE to TAKE POWER and become our own leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Zeese writes &#8230;</p>
<p><i>that this is the time for dramatic change, but it is not going to happen by following any elected official, but demanding change from them — showing our anger, our organization and refusal to compromise. Of course the right wing responded to the Civil Rights, Vietnam and Environmental movements of the 60s</i></p>
<p>There an aspect of what Mr. Zeese is saying that I&#8217;m in disagreement.  He says that we need to demand change from the elected officials.  I disagree with that.  What we needed is to forget about the elected officials and demand change from ourselves.  We need to rethink the strategy and become much more militant in our demands and to encourage and produce &#8220;leaders&#8221; from within.  In other words time to take a page from the old Black Panthers manual.  Going back and relearning their forms of organizing I think has been long forgotten by the Left.</p>
<p>As an example the single payer health care issue is floundering because the demand is too weak and ISOLATED from other aspects that needed to be integrated for the attainment of good health.  First off the system NEVER gives you want to demand you&#8217;ll always have to compromise  therefore in order to get single pay you&#8217;ll have to THREATEN the system.  A general strike is one way but since so many people are mired in DEBT and with a workforce lacking unionism it going to be difficult to use that as a tactic.  </p>
<p>Therefore in order to tackle the health case issue HOUSING and DEBT repudiation MUST BE INTEGRATED into the demand for single payer with MILITANCY.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLecmiaG3Uc" rel="nofollow">Take a listen to David Harvey and Alexander Cockburn in a discussion with Laura Flanders</a></p>
<p>Listen to Cockburn suggest DEBT REPUDIATION and how it can be done with militancy to make a huge IMPACT. Also debt repudiation is the only response to the bank bailout with no bailout for ordinary citizens. In addition it also provide strategies to protect from the courts which is used by Capitalist to maintain the immerseration of the working class.  To DEFY the courts and these UNJUST LAWS is the core of MILITANCY.</p>
<p>Is the Left up to the task.  I don&#8217;t think so because we still are hearing rhetoric about changing the politicians.  Fuck the politicians.  It&#8217;s time for PEOPLE to TAKE POWER and become our own leaders.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Zeese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David -- time for the pendulum to swing back.  The U.S. is facing so many crisis at once -- environmental, economic, health, military, energy -- that this is the time for dramatic change, but it is not going to happen by following any elected official, but demanding change from them -- showing our anger, our organization and refusal to compromise.  Of course the right wing responded to the Civil Rights, Vietnam and Environmental movements of the 60s -- would you expect anything different?  Now it is time for us to respond to the Reagan to Bush II era&#039;s and not accept mere tinkering that Obama is proposing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8212; time for the pendulum to swing back.  The U.S. is facing so many crisis at once &#8212; environmental, economic, health, military, energy &#8212; that this is the time for dramatic change, but it is not going to happen by following any elected official, but demanding change from them &#8212; showing our anger, our organization and refusal to compromise.  Of course the right wing responded to the Civil Rights, Vietnam and Environmental movements of the 60s &#8212; would you expect anything different?  Now it is time for us to respond to the Reagan to Bush II era&#8217;s and not accept mere tinkering that Obama is proposing.</p>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Zeese:

Absent critical thinking skills and factual knowledge on a sufficient percentage of the U. S. voting population, there can be no peaceful change here, only as Bozh puts it, &quot;enserfment of lower classes.&quot;

Do you recall the results of all of those protests in the Vietnam era? The Civil Rights bill of 1965? Clean Air and Clean Water?

The result was Richard Mellon Scaife and his pals, in 1976, deciding to put an end to the prattling of the rabble. Voila! Ronald Regan appeared as if by magic and the game was over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Zeese:</p>
<p>Absent critical thinking skills and factual knowledge on a sufficient percentage of the U. S. voting population, there can be no peaceful change here, only as Bozh puts it, &#8220;enserfment of lower classes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you recall the results of all of those protests in the Vietnam era? The Civil Rights bill of 1965? Clean Air and Clean Water?</p>
<p>The result was Richard Mellon Scaife and his pals, in 1976, deciding to put an end to the prattling of the rabble. Voila! Ronald Regan appeared as if by magic and the game was over.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas vancouver</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas vancouver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kevin zeese, with respect,
In my house i allow only one politico-educational-military-educational party. Wld i be that stupid to allow two+?
Wld uncle be that naive to allow/promote a second educational- informative-political system?

having slavery, lynchings, segregation, 18o wars, nuking japan, reducing indigenous pop dwn to less than ?5% of original pop can be done only if there is one politico-educational system functioning on an interpretative writ called constitution; interpreters of it being the integral part of that system.
Only one party system can and does prevent the basic human rights such as healthcare, higher education, right to be informed, etc.

All members of US governance [one and the only; there ain&#039;t two]: constitution, judiciary, education, media, corporations, military, cia, fbi, city police, entertainment industry, pols  work-think-behave in unison

US is not the only country that exhibits such a phenomenon: nazi germany, mussolini&#039;s italy, and japan all had virtually the system that US had now for a few centuries.

In short, in US today we have a near-perfect  structure of governance for enserfment of lower classes. 
It can be changed in favor of low class [90% of americans] to some degree  only by a political party. Of course, the new party wld not at first control to any degree corporate media, constitution, cia, fbi, miltary but as it wld grow it just might win over a general; a few cia agents, educators, et al.
And that is i do not at this time hyphenate the second party to education, cia, judiciary, etc. I call it now a second party that might unite leftists and the rightists to obtain the minimum: healthcare, right to be informed.  tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kevin zeese, with respect,<br />
In my house i allow only one politico-educational-military-educational party. Wld i be that stupid to allow two+?<br />
Wld uncle be that naive to allow/promote a second educational- informative-political system?</p>
<p>having slavery, lynchings, segregation, 18o wars, nuking japan, reducing indigenous pop dwn to less than ?5% of original pop can be done only if there is one politico-educational system functioning on an interpretative writ called constitution; interpreters of it being the integral part of that system.<br />
Only one party system can and does prevent the basic human rights such as healthcare, higher education, right to be informed, etc.</p>
<p>All members of US governance [one and the only; there ain't two]: constitution, judiciary, education, media, corporations, military, cia, fbi, city police, entertainment industry, pols  work-think-behave in unison</p>
<p>US is not the only country that exhibits such a phenomenon: nazi germany, mussolini&#8217;s italy, and japan all had virtually the system that US had now for a few centuries.</p>
<p>In short, in US today we have a near-perfect  structure of governance for enserfment of lower classes.<br />
It can be changed in favor of low class [90% of americans] to some degree  only by a political party. Of course, the new party wld not at first control to any degree corporate media, constitution, cia, fbi, miltary but as it wld grow it just might win over a general; a few cia agents, educators, et al.<br />
And that is i do not at this time hyphenate the second party to education, cia, judiciary, etc. I call it now a second party that might unite leftists and the rightists to obtain the minimum: healthcare, right to be informed.  tnx</p>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Zeese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good discussion and comments.

I&#039;ve been involved in third party politics for years.  It is a frustrating and challenging process.  The duopoly has put up barriers every step of the way, the media rarely covers third party candidates and the money-dominated elections favor parties big business likes.   I appreciate people trying to breakthrough electorally.

But, we need a real mass movement to hold whoever is elected accountable.  We know from looking around the world and in history what is needed -- general strikes, shutting down the capitol so business as usual is stopped -- efforts that demonstrate the people are organized and serious.  We don&#039;t have that yet in the U.S. and there are lots of challenges to achieving it.  But, that is where we need to go -- mass organization that is unwilling to compromise.

Obama actually did not lie during his campaign.  He put forward a crummy health care plan that was a giveaway to the insurance industry.  He advocated for big bailouts of Wall Street.  He talked about clean coal and nuclear power.  And, he talked about expanding the Afghan and Pakistan wars as well as not really getting out of Iraq.  He was slick in his salesmanship always beginning with &quot;I will end the war&quot; and not discussing the details too much.  The corporate media labeled him the peace candidate and proclaimed he would provide health care to all--neither was true then and neither is true now.  He is a Wall Street Democrat who believes in American Empire.  So, don&#039;t expect to much change over the next four or eight years -- just tinkering at the edges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good discussion and comments.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been involved in third party politics for years.  It is a frustrating and challenging process.  The duopoly has put up barriers every step of the way, the media rarely covers third party candidates and the money-dominated elections favor parties big business likes.   I appreciate people trying to breakthrough electorally.</p>
<p>But, we need a real mass movement to hold whoever is elected accountable.  We know from looking around the world and in history what is needed &#8212; general strikes, shutting down the capitol so business as usual is stopped &#8212; efforts that demonstrate the people are organized and serious.  We don&#8217;t have that yet in the U.S. and there are lots of challenges to achieving it.  But, that is where we need to go &#8212; mass organization that is unwilling to compromise.</p>
<p>Obama actually did not lie during his campaign.  He put forward a crummy health care plan that was a giveaway to the insurance industry.  He advocated for big bailouts of Wall Street.  He talked about clean coal and nuclear power.  And, he talked about expanding the Afghan and Pakistan wars as well as not really getting out of Iraq.  He was slick in his salesmanship always beginning with &#8220;I will end the war&#8221; and not discussing the details too much.  The corporate media labeled him the peace candidate and proclaimed he would provide health care to all&#8211;neither was true then and neither is true now.  He is a Wall Street Democrat who believes in American Empire.  So, don&#8217;t expect to much change over the next four or eight years &#8212; just tinkering at the edges.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still greed profit the whole power thing and just a game with strange rules and it goes from the top of the system to the bottom.  Yesterday my Son and I with two other people are putting in thousands of feet of floor tile it&#039;s a big building.  Well the owners I guess were doing a walk around you know with shirt and tie and new hard hat and safety glasses. They came to the area I was working on and I had just put down a few hundred feet of tile and it was hot.  This one man with the safety glasses I guess it makes you see in a different way gave me this look, what&#039;s the best way to describe that look, arrogant and I just smiled at him and I think for a second he knew only a second. Then they moved on in time and space spacetime and left me in peace, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still greed profit the whole power thing and just a game with strange rules and it goes from the top of the system to the bottom.  Yesterday my Son and I with two other people are putting in thousands of feet of floor tile it&#8217;s a big building.  Well the owners I guess were doing a walk around you know with shirt and tie and new hard hat and safety glasses. They came to the area I was working on and I had just put down a few hundred feet of tile and it was hot.  This one man with the safety glasses I guess it makes you see in a different way gave me this look, what&#8217;s the best way to describe that look, arrogant and I just smiled at him and I think for a second he knew only a second. Then they moved on in time and space spacetime and left me in peace, thank you.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one gigantic boat, we are all in it together. some rich, some poor, some supposed to be our smart ones, but it seems the dumb have figured out whats going on, but feel powerless to do anything about it! theres a behind the scene agenda, been there since time imortal. ok, you smart ones, what do we do about it? it’s only about good verses evil, who can change a mans heart!!!!!!!!! thats really the bottom line, its the human heart condition!!!   

   That was a comment on DV a few moons back.  I forget her name who wrote that and she summed it up very well.  To just see and hear knowledge the real thing just once from so called leaders but oh no still greed profit the whole power thing and just a game with strange rules.  Again it looks like the next 6 months or so the status quo will happen. Then what? The Republicans here in the States back for another try in 2012, Nostradamus it looks like you were right and the low road is the choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one gigantic boat, we are all in it together. some rich, some poor, some supposed to be our smart ones, but it seems the dumb have figured out whats going on, but feel powerless to do anything about it! theres a behind the scene agenda, been there since time imortal. ok, you smart ones, what do we do about it? it’s only about good verses evil, who can change a mans heart!!!!!!!!! thats really the bottom line, its the human heart condition!!!   </p>
<p>   That was a comment on DV a few moons back.  I forget her name who wrote that and she summed it up very well.  To just see and hear knowledge the real thing just once from so called leaders but oh no still greed profit the whole power thing and just a game with strange rules.  Again it looks like the next 6 months or so the status quo will happen. Then what? The Republicans here in the States back for another try in 2012, Nostradamus it looks like you were right and the low road is the choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even from a distance of thousands of kilometres this debate is bemusing. There is no difference between Democrats and Republicans. They are the two wings of the United States&#039; one party, the party of the business elite. Obama is the greatest confidence-man in history. When he said all those things he needed to say to get elected, he was lying. I knew that, from a cursory knowledge of US history, and happy accidents like reading Walter Karp&#039;s &#039;Indispensable Enemies&#039;, which is all about the collusion between Democrats and Republicans, over decades, to keep the rabble in line.
                 Obama, the archetypal &#039;House Negro&#039; serving his white masters faithfully, was always going to dud the suckers. That is part of the plan. Part one is get the ersatz black man elected, as a propaganda coup and facade. Then implement the usual policies, of intimidation, demonisation, invasion, sabotage etc, to fight threats to the US Reich from such monsters as Chavez, Morales, Ahmadinejad etc. Have the eloquent Obama, so much better a trickster than McCain could ever be, make a few speechs offering &#039;open hands&#039; as the money flows for destabilisation, terror attacks and incessant hatemongering, Iran the prime example. Central to the plan is not only maintaining perennial US policy behind a pleasant black disguise, but also enraging and demoralising the Democrat base. Obama may not have been let in on it yet, but he is due to serve but one term. His betrayals, and the psychotic hysteria confected by the ultra-Right in opposing him, built on a sturdy base of race hatred, are designed to demoralise Democrats, keeping them away from the ballot, and motivate the hate-obsessed Rightwing ultras  to swarm out of their bunkers on election day. Bye-bye Democrat majority, not that it did anything, or ever intended to do so.
                      Obama&#039;s other salient characteristic is his total ownership by the Zionazis. I know that this hardly makes him Robinson Crusoe in a US political elite who vote 400 to 1 to congratulate Israel on its orgy of child-killing in Gaza, but Obama is exceptional. He signalled his intentions with his first appointment, of Zionist ultra Rahm Emanuel, and its been downhill since. He pretended for a while to question Israel&#039;s absolute right, as God&#039;s representatives on earth, to micturate all over international law in regard to the illegal colonies on occupied Palestinian land, but soon gave up as his masters told him to get stuffed. He has done nothing over the Goldstone Report into Israeli atrocities in Gaza, as the Herrenvolk have launched the most hysterical campaign of venom, vitriol, rabid denunciation and lying that they have ever entered into, with the targets for demonisation by the Judaic controlled Western media being the entire human rights establishment of the West.
                      I actually pity anyone, particularly any American, who put faith in Obama. They obviously have never studied their own polity&#039;s structure, its absolutely obdurate refusal to reform, and the inevitability that anyone who reaches the stage of Presidential candidacy, let alone the Presidency, will be a total Rightwing shite. And so Obama has revealed himself to be, from day one, with gusto. He has presented his sucker acolytes with no victories that I can think of, whatsoever, and will not do so. The current &#039;anguished debate&#039; over Afghanistan is a smokescreen. Obama will do what he is told, by Emanuel and the military. And Iran will be obliterated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even from a distance of thousands of kilometres this debate is bemusing. There is no difference between Democrats and Republicans. They are the two wings of the United States&#8217; one party, the party of the business elite. Obama is the greatest confidence-man in history. When he said all those things he needed to say to get elected, he was lying. I knew that, from a cursory knowledge of US history, and happy accidents like reading Walter Karp&#8217;s &#8216;Indispensable Enemies&#8217;, which is all about the collusion between Democrats and Republicans, over decades, to keep the rabble in line.<br />
                 Obama, the archetypal &#8216;House Negro&#8217; serving his white masters faithfully, was always going to dud the suckers. That is part of the plan. Part one is get the ersatz black man elected, as a propaganda coup and facade. Then implement the usual policies, of intimidation, demonisation, invasion, sabotage etc, to fight threats to the US Reich from such monsters as Chavez, Morales, Ahmadinejad etc. Have the eloquent Obama, so much better a trickster than McCain could ever be, make a few speechs offering &#8216;open hands&#8217; as the money flows for destabilisation, terror attacks and incessant hatemongering, Iran the prime example. Central to the plan is not only maintaining perennial US policy behind a pleasant black disguise, but also enraging and demoralising the Democrat base. Obama may not have been let in on it yet, but he is due to serve but one term. His betrayals, and the psychotic hysteria confected by the ultra-Right in opposing him, built on a sturdy base of race hatred, are designed to demoralise Democrats, keeping them away from the ballot, and motivate the hate-obsessed Rightwing ultras  to swarm out of their bunkers on election day. Bye-bye Democrat majority, not that it did anything, or ever intended to do so.<br />
                      Obama&#8217;s other salient characteristic is his total ownership by the Zionazis. I know that this hardly makes him Robinson Crusoe in a US political elite who vote 400 to 1 to congratulate Israel on its orgy of child-killing in Gaza, but Obama is exceptional. He signalled his intentions with his first appointment, of Zionist ultra Rahm Emanuel, and its been downhill since. He pretended for a while to question Israel&#8217;s absolute right, as God&#8217;s representatives on earth, to micturate all over international law in regard to the illegal colonies on occupied Palestinian land, but soon gave up as his masters told him to get stuffed. He has done nothing over the Goldstone Report into Israeli atrocities in Gaza, as the Herrenvolk have launched the most hysterical campaign of venom, vitriol, rabid denunciation and lying that they have ever entered into, with the targets for demonisation by the Judaic controlled Western media being the entire human rights establishment of the West.<br />
                      I actually pity anyone, particularly any American, who put faith in Obama. They obviously have never studied their own polity&#8217;s structure, its absolutely obdurate refusal to reform, and the inevitability that anyone who reaches the stage of Presidential candidacy, let alone the Presidency, will be a total Rightwing shite. And so Obama has revealed himself to be, from day one, with gusto. He has presented his sucker acolytes with no victories that I can think of, whatsoever, and will not do so. The current &#8216;anguished debate&#8217; over Afghanistan is a smokescreen. Obama will do what he is told, by Emanuel and the military. And Iran will be obliterated.</p>
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