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		<title>By: James Keye</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/gluten/#comment-56635</link>
		<dc:creator>James Keye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,
Oxygen is most certainly a very reactive element.  Its role in physiology is, however, quite limited to releasing the chemical energy in glucose.  Your snarly tone, suggests to me that a firmer grounding in basic physiology would clear up your concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
Oxygen is most certainly a very reactive element.  Its role in physiology is, however, quite limited to releasing the chemical energy in glucose.  Your snarly tone, suggests to me that a firmer grounding in basic physiology would clear up your concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: b99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/gluten/#comment-56493</link>
		<dc:creator>b99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living in USA - How do we go about the process of seizing the government and smashing the bourgeoisie?  After all, it seems the tea-party anti-government activists are on the right - and pretty much support the bourgeoisie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in USA &#8211; How do we go about the process of seizing the government and smashing the bourgeoisie?  After all, it seems the tea-party anti-government activists are on the right &#8211; and pretty much support the bourgeoisie.</p>
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		<title>By: Living in USA makes us Fat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/gluten/#comment-56483</link>
		<dc:creator>Living in USA makes us Fat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Keye: hello again, do you think that USA needs a low-carb revolution?  Because i think that this country needs a socialist government which would wage an anti-carbohydrate revolution.  But for that socialists hate to seize political power first and make the dietary and health changes from a power possition, in order to crush and expropiate and nationalize the capitalist corporations like Nabisco, Pillsbury, Merita Breads, Kellogs, Post Cereals, etc. in order to lower the carbohyrate intake of this country and lead americans into a world of way of eating lower in carbohydrates and calories.  But for all the reforms and changes that we need to do, we first gotta seize the government and smash the bourgeoise-class, like Hugo Chavez is doing in Venezuela and like Lenin did in Russia.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Keye: hello again, do you think that USA needs a low-carb revolution?  Because i think that this country needs a socialist government which would wage an anti-carbohydrate revolution.  But for that socialists hate to seize political power first and make the dietary and health changes from a power possition, in order to crush and expropiate and nationalize the capitalist corporations like Nabisco, Pillsbury, Merita Breads, Kellogs, Post Cereals, etc. in order to lower the carbohyrate intake of this country and lead americans into a world of way of eating lower in carbohydrates and calories.  But for all the reforms and changes that we need to do, we first gotta seize the government and smash the bourgeoise-class, like Hugo Chavez is doing in Venezuela and like Lenin did in Russia.</p>
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		<title>By: Living in USA makes us Fat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/gluten/#comment-56482</link>
		<dc:creator>Living in USA makes us Fat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie: When you say &quot;We&quot; do you mean USA citizens? Because i don&#039;t think that you meant that americans are healthy society.  There are a lot of illnesses in the general american population. I think that USA is one of the countries with highest ratings of diceases, illnesses and physiological problems.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie: When you say &#8220;We&#8221; do you mean USA citizens? Because i don&#8217;t think that you meant that americans are healthy society.  There are a lot of illnesses in the general american population. I think that USA is one of the countries with highest ratings of diceases, illnesses and physiological problems.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Keye:

With a stroke of the pen, you have replaced oxygen as &quot;the most powerful, chemically active material that we routinely put into our bodies.&quot;

Nice work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Keye:</p>
<p>With a stroke of the pen, you have replaced oxygen as &#8220;the most powerful, chemically active material that we routinely put into our bodies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice work!</p>
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		<title>By: b99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/gluten/#comment-56477</link>
		<dc:creator>b99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are browsers and there are grazers - it&#039;s a pretty clear division, even if many animals are not 100% one or the other.  (It&#039;s easier for a grazer to browse than for a browser to graze.)  Humans emerged out of the browsing tradition - probably the less grass matter we eat, the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are browsers and there are grazers &#8211; it&#8217;s a pretty clear division, even if many animals are not 100% one or the other.  (It&#8217;s easier for a grazer to browse than for a browser to graze.)  Humans emerged out of the browsing tradition &#8211; probably the less grass matter we eat, the better.</p>
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		<title>By: James Keye</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/gluten/#comment-56475</link>
		<dc:creator>James Keye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Ladysmith,

It is simply not true that all mammals &#039;eat the grasses.&#039;  Grasses require a specialized digestive process.  Grass seed has similar issues.  If the topic of primary material intake into the physiology of living process doesn&#039;t interest you, then thanks for sharing your disinterest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Ladysmith,</p>
<p>It is simply not true that all mammals &#8216;eat the grasses.&#8217;  Grasses require a specialized digestive process.  Grass seed has similar issues.  If the topic of primary material intake into the physiology of living process doesn&#8217;t interest you, then thanks for sharing your disinterest.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Ladysmith</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/gluten/#comment-56463</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie Ladysmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALL MAMMALS EAT THE GRASSES! And quite frankly this is a painfully boring topic.  We all try to eat the best we can given a few toxins here and there. (there would be TONS more if we lived in China). We are living past 50, unlike most of the world.  Hey! glad you are such a healthy older guy, that is really exciting and thanks for sharing it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL MAMMALS EAT THE GRASSES! And quite frankly this is a painfully boring topic.  We all try to eat the best we can given a few toxins here and there. (there would be TONS more if we lived in China). We are living past 50, unlike most of the world.  Hey! glad you are such a healthy older guy, that is really exciting and thanks for sharing it!</p>
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		<title>By: Living in USA makes us Fat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Living in USA makes us Fat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans are addicted to foods like Duncan Hines, Pillsbury rolls, frozen pizzas, Pillsbury crossaints (They are good shit), Tostitos with melted cheese, etc. fig-bars, doritos, corn-dogs, pancakes, pillsbury cakes, kraft cheese, Nabisco Ritz cookies, combos, oreos, pop-tarts, combos,  tostitos, fajitas, calzonis, Cicis pizzas, Sonic Drive in, Golden Corral, I-hop all u can eat buffets, potatoe salads, twinkies, little debbies, donkin donuts, struddles, apple jax, pecan pies, ice cream, M and ms, Twix, Snickers bars, chocolate chip cookies

RICOTTA and Butter are another tools used by capitalist-controllers to sedate americans into an endless sleep of cheese, bread, butter and cake slavery.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans are addicted to foods like Duncan Hines, Pillsbury rolls, frozen pizzas, Pillsbury crossaints (They are good shit), Tostitos with melted cheese, etc. fig-bars, doritos, corn-dogs, pancakes, pillsbury cakes, kraft cheese, Nabisco Ritz cookies, combos, oreos, pop-tarts, combos,  tostitos, fajitas, calzonis, Cicis pizzas, Sonic Drive in, Golden Corral, I-hop all u can eat buffets, potatoe salads, twinkies, little debbies, donkin donuts, struddles, apple jax, pecan pies, ice cream, M and ms, Twix, Snickers bars, chocolate chip cookies</p>
<p>RICOTTA and Butter are another tools used by capitalist-controllers to sedate americans into an endless sleep of cheese, bread, butter and cake slavery.</p>
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		<title>By: Living in USA makes us Fat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/gluten/#comment-56460</link>
		<dc:creator>Living in USA makes us Fat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Keye: Hello, do you follow a low-carb diet? I think that the average american diet is too high in starchy-carbohydrates and carbohydrates as a whole. I think that USA needs a diet-revolution toward proposing a diet lower in starchy-carbohydrates and sweets. and higher inprotein.  Because i am carbohydrate-sensitive. I can&#039;t eat rice, flour, and foods with starch.  I get most of my carbohydrates from brocoli, green-cabbage, brussel sprouts and fuits low in glycemic index.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Keye: Hello, do you follow a low-carb diet? I think that the average american diet is too high in starchy-carbohydrates and carbohydrates as a whole. I think that USA needs a diet-revolution toward proposing a diet lower in starchy-carbohydrates and sweets. and higher inprotein.  Because i am carbohydrate-sensitive. I can&#8217;t eat rice, flour, and foods with starch.  I get most of my carbohydrates from brocoli, green-cabbage, brussel sprouts and fuits low in glycemic index.</p>
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		<title>By: Living in USA makes us Fat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/gluten/#comment-56459</link>
		<dc:creator>Living in USA makes us Fat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d go further than this article: The whole USA is a conspiracy, a capitalist conspiracy by food corporations to make us gain weight.  Remember that weight-loss industry is another big business in America.  The USA as a whole is a big conspiracy to make us sick, fat, gain weight, lose weight, and die (even death is a big industry in America).

We are trapped in this Matrix.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d go further than this article: The whole USA is a conspiracy, a capitalist conspiracy by food corporations to make us gain weight.  Remember that weight-loss industry is another big business in America.  The USA as a whole is a big conspiracy to make us sick, fat, gain weight, lose weight, and die (even death is a big industry in America).</p>
<p>We are trapped in this Matrix.</p>
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		<title>By: James Keye</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/gluten/#comment-56455</link>
		<dc:creator>James Keye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thecelt,

You have read a great deal into the essay that is not there.  I don’t claim to have celiac disease, only that removing gluten containing foods resulted in changes that seem to be explained by an immune-like (inflammatory) response ending.  Whether this is the explanation would require medical testing – this was not my goal.  I was careful to maintain about the same calorie intake and exercise levels, have a complex and active life and am not a “navel gazer.”  The reactions surprised me, since I expected very little.  My curiosity about gluten digestion was increased.  The rest of the essay materialized.  I am postulating that a protein for which our digestive system is not well adapted could have more far reaching consequences than generally recognized since it is associated with a very high percentage of our present foods.  You, like Mr. Hunt, have confused the anecdotal, data-based material and speculative parts of the essay – and perhaps mixed in some of your own personal confusions.  Eat whatever you wish.   I would argue, however, that eating foods for which the digestive system has a long evolutionary history in preference to those that we do not is not foolhardy.  The grasses have about 80 million years of evolutionary time separating them from the primary plants that long made up the Hominid diet.  This is not to say that they cannot be consumed, clearly.  But that there are reasons to look into some general difficulties created by the partial digestion of their proteins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thecelt,</p>
<p>You have read a great deal into the essay that is not there.  I don’t claim to have celiac disease, only that removing gluten containing foods resulted in changes that seem to be explained by an immune-like (inflammatory) response ending.  Whether this is the explanation would require medical testing – this was not my goal.  I was careful to maintain about the same calorie intake and exercise levels, have a complex and active life and am not a “navel gazer.”  The reactions surprised me, since I expected very little.  My curiosity about gluten digestion was increased.  The rest of the essay materialized.  I am postulating that a protein for which our digestive system is not well adapted could have more far reaching consequences than generally recognized since it is associated with a very high percentage of our present foods.  You, like Mr. Hunt, have confused the anecdotal, data-based material and speculative parts of the essay – and perhaps mixed in some of your own personal confusions.  Eat whatever you wish.   I would argue, however, that eating foods for which the digestive system has a long evolutionary history in preference to those that we do not is not foolhardy.  The grasses have about 80 million years of evolutionary time separating them from the primary plants that long made up the Hominid diet.  This is not to say that they cannot be consumed, clearly.  But that there are reasons to look into some general difficulties created by the partial digestion of their proteins.</p>
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		<title>By: thecelt</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/gluten/#comment-56454</link>
		<dc:creator>thecelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Agree with Mike, Anecdotal evidence is not scientific. Yes, I see, you have convinced yourself, without clinical evidence, that you have celiac disease. I thought I did too, once, and even cut out gluten completley. Not satisfied with guesses, and went through the unfortunate experiences of both a colonoscopy and endoscopy and guess what....No Celiac.. whatsoever. My intestinal cillia were healthy as could be...despite serious GI problems. The lesson here....just because you have convinced yourself, doesnt make it SO! The crazy ass part of your article comes when you talk about making a gluten free world, which is frankly insulting, considering billions not only enjoy grain based diets but indeed, depend on them for survival. To then turn around and suggest that your gluten free fantasy world wouldnt come to pass because of the nefarious Gluten Interests, who diabollically plot to poison the worlds caucasians, the most oppressed minority on the planet,  is a classic. I mean seriously dude, im as radical a socialist as your likely to find this side of &#039;36, but come on! You want to take on Big Ag, multinationals, the WB, cool. But Gluten...Gluten! Folks, dismiss this nonsense, and seek the help of a proffesional if you have chronic or episodic GI issues, seek different opinions if you arent satisfied with the diagnosis. But by all means, dont fall for pseudo scientific claptrap like this. A Gluten free life, no matter what any layman will claim, is a brutally difficult one, devoid of many of the pleasures so many of us hold dear in life (like fabulous food).  To go for this lifestyle without solid science based proof, is foolhardy at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Agree with Mike, Anecdotal evidence is not scientific. Yes, I see, you have convinced yourself, without clinical evidence, that you have celiac disease. I thought I did too, once, and even cut out gluten completley. Not satisfied with guesses, and went through the unfortunate experiences of both a colonoscopy and endoscopy and guess what&#8230;.No Celiac.. whatsoever. My intestinal cillia were healthy as could be&#8230;despite serious GI problems. The lesson here&#8230;.just because you have convinced yourself, doesnt make it SO! The crazy ass part of your article comes when you talk about making a gluten free world, which is frankly insulting, considering billions not only enjoy grain based diets but indeed, depend on them for survival. To then turn around and suggest that your gluten free fantasy world wouldnt come to pass because of the nefarious Gluten Interests, who diabollically plot to poison the worlds caucasians, the most oppressed minority on the planet,  is a classic. I mean seriously dude, im as radical a socialist as your likely to find this side of &#8217;36, but come on! You want to take on Big Ag, multinationals, the WB, cool. But Gluten&#8230;Gluten! Folks, dismiss this nonsense, and seek the help of a proffesional if you have chronic or episodic GI issues, seek different opinions if you arent satisfied with the diagnosis. But by all means, dont fall for pseudo scientific claptrap like this. A Gluten free life, no matter what any layman will claim, is a brutally difficult one, devoid of many of the pleasures so many of us hold dear in life (like fabulous food).  To go for this lifestyle without solid science based proof, is foolhardy at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/gluten/#comment-56443</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maien has it. In the totalitarian market absolutist global state, profit is the supreme good. Gluten could be as toxic as asbestos, for example, and it would be defended to the death by vested economic interests and their paid propaganda liars, as surely as was asbestos, tobacco and, today, carbon nano-tubes, which almost certainly will cause disease akin to those inflicted by asbestos. Only if we replace market capitalism with a system that values human welfare, equality and ecological sustainability as the highest imperatives will we survive as a species and individuals, let alone thrive. Imagine the world we could confect if human potential was properly realised, if nurturing behaviour was universal rather than crass exploitation, and if conviviality and amity replaced competition and venal self-interest. We have, I calculate, one chance in a hundred of pulling it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maien has it. In the totalitarian market absolutist global state, profit is the supreme good. Gluten could be as toxic as asbestos, for example, and it would be defended to the death by vested economic interests and their paid propaganda liars, as surely as was asbestos, tobacco and, today, carbon nano-tubes, which almost certainly will cause disease akin to those inflicted by asbestos. Only if we replace market capitalism with a system that values human welfare, equality and ecological sustainability as the highest imperatives will we survive as a species and individuals, let alone thrive. Imagine the world we could confect if human potential was properly realised, if nurturing behaviour was universal rather than crass exploitation, and if conviviality and amity replaced competition and venal self-interest. We have, I calculate, one chance in a hundred of pulling it off.</p>
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		<title>By: maien</title>
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		<dc:creator>maien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

often, the science is avoided very purposefully.  The results perhaps may impact just too many corporate interests.  Alternative health professionals would have a lot more to say... if their information would/could make profits for the owners of the food system.  You know, the money guys who can make changes.  But hey, why change something when &#039;wonderful&#039; profits are rolling in, by just leaving things, the way they are.  The world is over-populated, isn&#039;t it.  Sick, tired people who have been taught that they are &quot;getting old&quot; cause a lot less trouble than healthy vibrant people, who have the time and energy to ask questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>often, the science is avoided very purposefully.  The results perhaps may impact just too many corporate interests.  Alternative health professionals would have a lot more to say&#8230; if their information would/could make profits for the owners of the food system.  You know, the money guys who can make changes.  But hey, why change something when &#8216;wonderful&#8217; profits are rolling in, by just leaving things, the way they are.  The world is over-populated, isn&#8217;t it.  Sick, tired people who have been taught that they are &#8220;getting old&#8221; cause a lot less trouble than healthy vibrant people, who have the time and energy to ask questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hunt</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/gluten/#comment-56417</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anecdotal evidence is NOT scientific evidence.</description>
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