Comments on: Crisis of Sovereignty in Pakistan http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/crisis-of-sovereignty-in-pakistan/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mista D http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/crisis-of-sovereignty-in-pakistan/#comment-57713 Mista D Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:16:01 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11423#comment-57713 Some interesting comments here.... but it's all a lot simpler than you think..... they are after Pakistan's nulcear weapons. You see Israel is a little depressed at the thought of a muslim country with nukes.... so it sends in its bulldog... you know the USA, to do the dirty work. What you're seeing now is the earlier stages of 'higher' agenda. Some interesting comments here…. but it’s all a lot simpler than you think….. they are after Pakistan’s nulcear weapons. You see Israel is a little depressed at the thought of a muslim country with nukes…. so it sends in its bulldog… you know the USA, to do the dirty work. What you’re seeing now is the earlier stages of ‘higher’ agenda.

]]> By: bozhidar balkas vancouver http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/crisis-of-sovereignty-in-pakistan/#comment-57707 bozhidar balkas vancouver Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:59:27 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11423#comment-57707 Pakistan, as far as i know, appears as much disfunctional. Such an empire cannot last forever unless it is on its way in becoming more socialist and thus more egalitarian and equally protective of all its citizens. Pakistan like all muslim lands i know of is fiercely anti-egalitarian and -socialist. While islam may or may not shape such attitude, the fact appears that its society being much feudal and cultish is ripe for rape by external and internal forces. And the external forces know how to {ab}use such disfunctional societies. US is not doing anything that lands and empires since Urnanshe of sumer hadn't done: steal as much land as possible. Lugalzaggisi, the last king of sumer was known as the ruler of "four corners of known world". Had he known that there were defenseless people beyond mesopotamia, canaan, arabia, egypt, anatolia, persia he wld have marched on. Sargon of akkad was even known as a diety; not unlike amer prez's who cannot be wrong no matter what crimes they commit in name of US 'interests'. So, nothing has changed since at latest with Urnanshe ca 6k yrs ago. tnx Pakistan, as far as i know, appears as much disfunctional. Such an empire cannot last forever unless it is on its way in becoming more socialist and thus more egalitarian and equally protective of all its citizens.

Pakistan like all muslim lands i know of is fiercely anti-egalitarian and -socialist. While islam may or may not shape such attitude, the fact appears that its society being much feudal and cultish is ripe for rape by external and internal forces.

And the external forces know how to {ab}use such disfunctional societies.
US is not doing anything that lands and empires since Urnanshe of sumer hadn’t done: steal as much land as possible.
Lugalzaggisi, the last king of sumer was known as the ruler of “four corners of known world”. Had he known that there were defenseless people beyond mesopotamia, canaan, arabia, egypt, anatolia, persia he wld have marched on.
Sargon of akkad was even known as a diety; not unlike amer prez’s who cannot be wrong no matter what crimes they commit in name of US ‘interests’.
So, nothing has changed since at latest with Urnanshe ca 6k yrs ago. tnx

]]> By: Rana Eijaz Ahmad http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/crisis-of-sovereignty-in-pakistan/#comment-57706 Rana Eijaz Ahmad Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:33:33 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11423#comment-57706 The problem lies with the U.S. government that has been under Jewish influence since the death of JFK, the last American president. Thus it is not the U.S. imperialism but the neocolonialism that the U.S. facing in the twenty first century. America is the only colonail power that facing neocolonialism. See The Obama Deception. Pakistan's problem is leadership, vacuum is at the top, therefore, whosoever comes from outer world use it according to its own heart and leave it by giving its rulers a 'tip' along with set deal. Very unfortunate for you and for i that we are just writing, speaking at public gatherings and convincing others that we are being robbed, disrespected or deprived. Unless, we do not rise to the occasion Pakistan can never become a respectable country. The problem lies with the U.S. government that has been under Jewish influence since the death of JFK, the last American president. Thus it is not the U.S. imperialism but the neocolonialism that the U.S. facing in the twenty first century. America is the only colonail power that facing neocolonialism. See The Obama Deception.
Pakistan’s problem is leadership, vacuum is at the top, therefore, whosoever comes from outer world use it according to its own heart and leave it by giving its rulers a ‘tip’ along with set deal. Very unfortunate for you and for i that we are just writing, speaking at public gatherings and convincing others that we are being robbed, disrespected or deprived. Unless, we do not rise to the occasion Pakistan can never become a respectable country.

]]> By: Shabnam http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/crisis-of-sovereignty-in-pakistan/#comment-57705 Shabnam Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:17:55 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11423#comment-57705 Two suicide car bombs exploded in downtown Baghdad Sunday, killing at least 136 people and delivering a powerful blow to the heart of the fragile city's government in the worst attack of the year, officials said. These bombings are designed and executed by the UNITED STATES and her allies including SUADI ARABIA. There is no Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda is the United States. Only fools believe this lie. As long as Americans and Europeans have not moved their big BEHIND AND STOP SUPPORTING THE GENOCIDE OF MUSLIM POPULATION IN THE OCCUPIED LAND, THEY ARE VIEWED AS NOTHING BUT WAR CRIMINALS. SHAME ON AMERICA, SHAME ON AMRERICANS. Iranian people are encouraged to leave classes and work for few hours on WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 4, 2009 to stage a protest against American terrorists and NATO criminals who have occupied the region killing hundreds of people every day. Americans and Europeans have duty to do the same; otherwise they will be remembered as nothing but war criminals that benefits from children deaths in the occupied region. DOWN WITH US IMPERIALISM/ DOWN WITH ZIONISM, THE ENEMY OF HUMANITY. SHAME ON THOSE WHO STAY SILENT. http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/10/25/baghdad-car-bombs-near-government-offices-kill-136-2/ Two suicide car bombs exploded in downtown Baghdad Sunday, killing at least 136 people and delivering a powerful blow to the heart of the fragile city’s government in the worst attack of the year, officials said.

These bombings are designed and executed by the UNITED STATES and her allies including SUADI ARABIA. There is no Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda is the United States. Only fools believe this lie.
As long as Americans and Europeans have not moved their big BEHIND AND STOP SUPPORTING THE GENOCIDE OF MUSLIM POPULATION IN THE OCCUPIED LAND, THEY ARE VIEWED AS NOTHING BUT WAR CRIMINALS.
SHAME ON AMERICA, SHAME ON AMRERICANS.
Iranian people are encouraged to leave classes and work for few hours on WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 4, 2009 to stage a protest against American terrorists and NATO criminals who have occupied the region killing hundreds of people every day. Americans and Europeans have duty to do the same; otherwise they will be remembered as nothing but war criminals that benefits from children deaths in the occupied region.
DOWN WITH US IMPERIALISM/ DOWN WITH ZIONISM, THE ENEMY OF HUMANITY. SHAME ON THOSE WHO STAY SILENT.

http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/10/25/baghdad-car-bombs-near-government-offices-kill-136-2/

]]> By: bozhidar balkas vancouver http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/crisis-of-sovereignty-in-pakistan/#comment-57697 bozhidar balkas vancouver Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:14:38 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11423#comment-57697 perhaps using different words to describe what is now going on int'l level might throw a different shade of light on the topic of the peace-war processes. First of all, peace processes cannot be separated from war processes; it is one entity; with many other inseparable aspects of it: 'education' , 'religion', disinformation, sanctions, threats of war, theft of land, lust for control, etc. Each of these aspects of one reality is run by selected-elected people; many of which we do not know. Since we don`t know them, we cannot contact them in order that we,too, cld participate in war-peace process. And i do not think any of them read anything else but cia, fbi, army reports or intergroup memos, news, directives, warnings, etc. Situation in france, canada, UK, australia, italy, germany, et al lands may be similar or the same: world`s richest lands and its richest people have by now united like never before to obtain their millennial dream to obtain permament plutocratic rule in every land. Only russia and china can stop the diabolics. Hope, they, along with india and a few socialist lands, succeed. tnx perhaps using different words to describe what is now going on int’l level might throw a different shade of light on the topic of the peace-war processes.

First of all, peace processes cannot be separated from war processes; it is one entity; with many other inseparable aspects of it: ‘education’ , ‘religion’, disinformation, sanctions, threats of war, theft of land, lust for control, etc.

Each of these aspects of one reality is run by selected-elected people; many of which we do not know. Since we don`t know them, we cannot contact them in order that we,too, cld participate in war-peace process.

And i do not think any of them read anything else but cia, fbi, army reports or intergroup memos, news, directives, warnings, etc.

Situation in france, canada, UK, australia, italy, germany, et al lands may be similar or the same: world`s richest lands and its richest people have by now united like never before to obtain their millennial dream to obtain permament plutocratic rule in every land.

Only russia and china can stop the diabolics. Hope, they, along with india and a few socialist lands, succeed. tnx

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/crisis-of-sovereignty-in-pakistan/#comment-57685 Max Shields Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:20:58 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11423#comment-57685 Sovereignty is a peculiar notion. Like so much it is not a given. It is not natural, it is created through arrangements by other states; with the possible support of a United Nations and International Law, all fortuitious and subject to the vagaries of power. Today, there is a sovereignty of convenience. As in: Here you be the president and we'll call you our ally, and we'll prop you up and depending where you are on the food chain or commodity chain we will determine our trade agreements. The US is the arbiter of such arrangements and has been for several decades. Invasion and occupation is made possible because sovereignty is an malleable idea, applied to assist power, not to protect those nation-states from such preditory power, that comes, creates mayhem and destruction in the name of whatever, occupies and eventually subsides like birds of prey (drones?) Pakistan is but a case among many. Sovereignty is a peculiar notion. Like so much it is not a given. It is not natural, it is created through arrangements by other states; with the possible support of a United Nations and International Law, all fortuitious and subject to the vagaries of power.

Today, there is a sovereignty of convenience. As in: Here you be the president and we’ll call you our ally, and we’ll prop you up and depending where you are on the food chain or commodity chain we will determine our trade agreements. The US is the arbiter of such arrangements and has been for several decades. Invasion and occupation is made possible because sovereignty is an malleable idea, applied to assist power, not to protect those nation-states from such preditory power, that comes, creates mayhem and destruction in the name of whatever, occupies and eventually subsides like birds of prey (drones?)

Pakistan is but a case among many.

]]> By: joed http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/crisis-of-sovereignty-in-pakistan/#comment-57671 joed Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:00:25 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=11423#comment-57671 "If the United States truly wants a stable Pakistan, as it has claimed too often, it needs to look for options that respect the sovereignty of the country ,,," There's the rub--the us doesn't want a stable Pakistan. The us thrives on chaos and death and confusion. The more Pakistani's suffer the more the us can claim to be winning the long war. the us is out to change the borders; the following 2 links contain powerful information that is not being headed. http://www.oilempire.us/new-map.html http://live.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899 Blood borders How a better Middle East would look By Ralph Peters Armed Forces Journal - June 2006 “If the United States truly wants a stable Pakistan, as it has claimed too often, it needs to look for options that respect the sovereignty of the country ,,,”
There’s the rub–the us doesn’t want a stable Pakistan. The us thrives on chaos and death and confusion. The more Pakistani’s suffer the more the us can claim to be winning the long war.
the us is out to change the borders;
the following 2 links contain powerful information that is not being headed. http://www.oilempire.us/new-map.html
http://live.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899
Blood borders
How a better Middle East would look
By Ralph Peters
Armed Forces Journal – June 2006

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