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	<title>Comments on: Can the Democrats Avoid a Populist Health Care Rebellion?</title>
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		<title>By: messianicdruid</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/can-the-democrats-avoid-a-populist-health-care-rebellion/#comment-57460</link>
		<dc:creator>messianicdruid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always tied to &quot;money&quot;. 

We need to be asking &quot;Why are we all so sick?&quot;. Get the &quot;cause&quot; fixed then there may be no &quot;effect&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always tied to &#8220;money&#8221;. </p>
<p>We need to be asking &#8220;Why are we all so sick?&#8221;. Get the &#8220;cause&#8221; fixed then there may be no &#8220;effect&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/can-the-democrats-avoid-a-populist-health-care-rebellion/#comment-57430</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max thanks for your support on this issue.  I&#039;ve gotten a lot of flak for my position.

On the surface  I am &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; against single payer.  But when you boil down Zeese&#039;s and the strategies and tactics it boils down a &quot;struggle&quot; for the &quot;right&quot; to see a doctor rather than health care. (and don&#039;t get me started with the quackery of modern medicine).

In order to speak of &quot;health care&quot; it means &lt;b&gt;a complete, encompasing, integrative and comprehensive policy&lt;/b&gt; that examines human endeavors and relations that promote good health.  

Maybe Zeese and cadre doesn&#039;t need debt relief nor perhaps does he and his cadres need a house or other basic kinds of economic justice.  However should Zeese and his cadre succeeded winning &quot;the right to see a doctor&quot; you can BET that much of his alliance  will DISENGAGE from struggling for the remaining  socio-economic battles since THEIR needs will be met.

While Zeese sites the Civil Rights movment his knowledge of history is specious to downright disgusting.  Nixon used class to diffuse the Civil Rights movement.  Affirmative Action was used to &lt;b&gt;buy off&lt;/b&gt; the more bourgeois section of the black community.  The community unfortunatley bought into the fallacy that as certain blacks made their way up the economic ladder those that &quot;made it&quot; will pull up the ranks.  That didn&#039;t happen because many of those blacks moved out of the neighborhood LEAVING BEHIND the poor.  The Single Payer strategy employed by Zeese will yield the same result.

Also I don&#039;t see the point to bombarding the offices of Aetna, Cigna, etc.  This  not the 1960&#039;s and these protested have no strategy to take over the CEO&#039;s office like the students did when they occupied the office of university presidents. These protesters won&#039;t get past the foyers.  We&#039;ll just be left with mere &quot;photo-ops&quot; being shown on &quot;alternative&quot; news outlets and blogs.  

The only way to get to these folks if through Civil DISOBEIDENCE.  I&#039;ve been advocating DEBT REPUDIATION as an avenue to control our resources that could be used (think about not paying bill) for example to fund doctors and especially dentist providing free COMMUNITY care.

There seems to be no creativity whatsoever coming from the Left.  Just the same old failed tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max thanks for your support on this issue.  I&#8217;ve gotten a lot of flak for my position.</p>
<p>On the surface  I am <i>not</i> against single payer.  But when you boil down Zeese&#8217;s and the strategies and tactics it boils down a &#8220;struggle&#8221; for the &#8220;right&#8221; to see a doctor rather than health care. (and don&#8217;t get me started with the quackery of modern medicine).</p>
<p>In order to speak of &#8220;health care&#8221; it means <b>a complete, encompasing, integrative and comprehensive policy</b> that examines human endeavors and relations that promote good health.  </p>
<p>Maybe Zeese and cadre doesn&#8217;t need debt relief nor perhaps does he and his cadres need a house or other basic kinds of economic justice.  However should Zeese and his cadre succeeded winning &#8220;the right to see a doctor&#8221; you can BET that much of his alliance  will DISENGAGE from struggling for the remaining  socio-economic battles since THEIR needs will be met.</p>
<p>While Zeese sites the Civil Rights movment his knowledge of history is specious to downright disgusting.  Nixon used class to diffuse the Civil Rights movement.  Affirmative Action was used to <b>buy off</b> the more bourgeois section of the black community.  The community unfortunatley bought into the fallacy that as certain blacks made their way up the economic ladder those that &#8220;made it&#8221; will pull up the ranks.  That didn&#8217;t happen because many of those blacks moved out of the neighborhood LEAVING BEHIND the poor.  The Single Payer strategy employed by Zeese will yield the same result.</p>
<p>Also I don&#8217;t see the point to bombarding the offices of Aetna, Cigna, etc.  This  not the 1960&#8242;s and these protested have no strategy to take over the CEO&#8217;s office like the students did when they occupied the office of university presidents. These protesters won&#8217;t get past the foyers.  We&#8217;ll just be left with mere &#8220;photo-ops&#8221; being shown on &#8220;alternative&#8221; news outlets and blogs.  </p>
<p>The only way to get to these folks if through Civil DISOBEIDENCE.  I&#8217;ve been advocating DEBT REPUDIATION as an avenue to control our resources that could be used (think about not paying bill) for example to fund doctors and especially dentist providing free COMMUNITY care.</p>
<p>There seems to be no creativity whatsoever coming from the Left.  Just the same old failed tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields`</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/can-the-democrats-avoid-a-populist-health-care-rebellion/#comment-57428</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields`</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deadbeat this is very troubling....I agree with your last comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat this is very troubling&#8230;.I agree with your last comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/can-the-democrats-avoid-a-populist-health-care-rebellion/#comment-57426</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This may be developing into the largest campaign of non-violent civil resistance since the Civil Rights era. ... Simply expanding and improving Medicare so it covers all Americans is the only way to avert this populist revolt. Will the Democratic leadership recognize this and change course or will they steer themselves into a disaster in order to satisfy their big donors in the insurance industry?&lt;/i&gt;

It will be a shame if this happens because the &quot;right&quot; to see a doctor will expend a lot of motion that MUST BE COMBINED into a struggle for comprehensive economic rights.  To expend that kind of energy for a SINGLE issue is madness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This may be developing into the largest campaign of non-violent civil resistance since the Civil Rights era. &#8230; Simply expanding and improving Medicare so it covers all Americans is the only way to avert this populist revolt. Will the Democratic leadership recognize this and change course or will they steer themselves into a disaster in order to satisfy their big donors in the insurance industry?</i></p>
<p>It will be a shame if this happens because the &#8220;right&#8221; to see a doctor will expend a lot of motion that MUST BE COMBINED into a struggle for comprehensive economic rights.  To expend that kind of energy for a SINGLE issue is madness.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas vancouver</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas vancouver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We share one genetic pool from which ?all illnesses and healthfulnesses arise. 
From this pool  geniuses, sick, healthy, smart, very smart/able, and not so smart people arise.

We all equally contribute to this pool. We, the living, all must take equal credit/responsibility for whatetever happens to us as we become humans.

Nikola tesla came from a small twn of gospich in croatia. Now, recognized as genius by scientists. Yet his Serb parents were uneducated and poor.
So why deny them healthcare; right to be informed or right of their children to be educated.
After all, it seems that almost all progress is due to just 000000000001% of pop. And to generate a genius one needs at least 100mn people. So why shld the 100mn be excluded from sharing in the progress? tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We share one genetic pool from which ?all illnesses and healthfulnesses arise.<br />
From this pool  geniuses, sick, healthy, smart, very smart/able, and not so smart people arise.</p>
<p>We all equally contribute to this pool. We, the living, all must take equal credit/responsibility for whatetever happens to us as we become humans.</p>
<p>Nikola tesla came from a small twn of gospich in croatia. Now, recognized as genius by scientists. Yet his Serb parents were uneducated and poor.<br />
So why deny them healthcare; right to be informed or right of their children to be educated.<br />
After all, it seems that almost all progress is due to just 000000000001% of pop. And to generate a genius one needs at least 100mn people. So why shld the 100mn be excluded from sharing in the progress? tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Edna</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/can-the-democrats-avoid-a-populist-health-care-rebellion/#comment-57402</link>
		<dc:creator>Edna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sing it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sing it!</p>
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