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	<title>Comments on: Battening Down the Hatches: Secret State Monitors Protest, Represses Dissent</title>
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		<title>By: Charles M. Minster</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/battening-down-the-hatches-secret-state-monitors-protest-represses-dissent/#comment-58591</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles M. Minster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article at below website in defense of Brothers Madison and Wallschlaeger:

http://www.spartacist.org/english/wv/945/madison.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article at below website in defense of Brothers Madison and Wallschlaeger:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spartacist.org/english/wv/945/madison.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spartacist.org/english/wv/945/madison.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Suthiano</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/battening-down-the-hatches-secret-state-monitors-protest-represses-dissent/#comment-56953</link>
		<dc:creator>Suthiano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;PS. If we could some how communicate with Ian Flemming he’d be getting quite the laugh out of your piece.&quot;

hey Bob,

Ian Flemming &quot;had a riotous imagination utterly unsuited to serious intelligence collection and analysis. The offices of the British Admiralty often rang with laughter at his mad schemes. It was Fleming who suggested that British sailors be entombed in a giant lump of concrete off Dieppe, from which they could keep watch on Dieppe through periscopes. It was Fleming who proposed to send a cruiser into Nazi waters with a transmitter beamed to the German Navy&#039;s wave-length which would, in his words, &#039;keep up a torrent of abuse, challenging the German naval commanders by name to come out and do something about it. No sailor likes to be accused of cowardice, and Germans are always particularly touchy.&#039;

Fortified by such boyish fantasies, the officers of OSS never wrought much damage to the foe, but, from Donovan and his subordinate Allen Dulles downwards, learned to exploit romantic public fantasies of what a secret service should be. Thus they ensured their survival, if not in the field then in the crucial bureaucratic battlegrounds of Washington.

In the spring of 1960 he was taken to dinner at the Washington home of Senator and Democratic presidential candidate-elect Jack Kennedy. The conversation turned to the problem of Castro. How should he be dealt with? Fleming&#039;s imagination sprang into action. As Fleming&#039;s biographer, John Pierson, reported the conversation, he told the assembled company, which included a CIA man called John Bross, that the United States should send planes over Cuba dropping pamphlets, with the compliments of the Soviet Union, to the effect that owing to American atom bomb tests the atmosphere over the island had become radioactive; that radioactivity is held longest in beards; and that radioactivity makes men impotent. As a consequence the Cubans would shave off their beards, and without bearded Cubans there would be no revolution.&quot; http://www.counterpunch.org/bond1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;PS. If we could some how communicate with Ian Flemming he’d be getting quite the laugh out of your piece.&#8221;</p>
<p>hey Bob,</p>
<p>Ian Flemming &#8220;had a riotous imagination utterly unsuited to serious intelligence collection and analysis. The offices of the British Admiralty often rang with laughter at his mad schemes. It was Fleming who suggested that British sailors be entombed in a giant lump of concrete off Dieppe, from which they could keep watch on Dieppe through periscopes. It was Fleming who proposed to send a cruiser into Nazi waters with a transmitter beamed to the German Navy&#8217;s wave-length which would, in his words, &#8216;keep up a torrent of abuse, challenging the German naval commanders by name to come out and do something about it. No sailor likes to be accused of cowardice, and Germans are always particularly touchy.&#8217;</p>
<p>Fortified by such boyish fantasies, the officers of OSS never wrought much damage to the foe, but, from Donovan and his subordinate Allen Dulles downwards, learned to exploit romantic public fantasies of what a secret service should be. Thus they ensured their survival, if not in the field then in the crucial bureaucratic battlegrounds of Washington.</p>
<p>In the spring of 1960 he was taken to dinner at the Washington home of Senator and Democratic presidential candidate-elect Jack Kennedy. The conversation turned to the problem of Castro. How should he be dealt with? Fleming&#8217;s imagination sprang into action. As Fleming&#8217;s biographer, John Pierson, reported the conversation, he told the assembled company, which included a CIA man called John Bross, that the United States should send planes over Cuba dropping pamphlets, with the compliments of the Soviet Union, to the effect that owing to American atom bomb tests the atmosphere over the island had become radioactive; that radioactivity is held longest in beards; and that radioactivity makes men impotent. As a consequence the Cubans would shave off their beards, and without bearded Cubans there would be no revolution.&#8221; <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/bond1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/bond1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/battening-down-the-hatches-secret-state-monitors-protest-represses-dissent/#comment-56951</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What amazes me is how people like Bob never want to address the facts raised in such a piece, they only call names.

If the police in pittsburg attached unrelated civilians in residential neighbourhoods, and if the constituional rights of americans are unrecognized ... glib comments from guys like Bob aren&#039;t going to provide any solutions. 

What idiocy to complain that an article is &#039;too long&#039; rather than actually offer a rebuttal.

We cannot eat your moronic insults, Bob, nor can we peacefully assemble around them, nor can we speak them freely. What good are they, then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What amazes me is how people like Bob never want to address the facts raised in such a piece, they only call names.</p>
<p>If the police in pittsburg attached unrelated civilians in residential neighbourhoods, and if the constituional rights of americans are unrecognized &#8230; glib comments from guys like Bob aren&#8217;t going to provide any solutions. </p>
<p>What idiocy to complain that an article is &#8216;too long&#8217; rather than actually offer a rebuttal.</p>
<p>We cannot eat your moronic insults, Bob, nor can we peacefully assemble around them, nor can we speak them freely. What good are they, then?</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/battening-down-the-hatches-secret-state-monitors-protest-represses-dissent/#comment-56950</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, Bob, if reading an actual article is too hard for you, then why should we care what you think? shut up now, the grown-ups are talking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, Bob, if reading an actual article is too hard for you, then why should we care what you think? shut up now, the grown-ups are talking.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/battening-down-the-hatches-secret-state-monitors-protest-represses-dissent/#comment-56918</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom:

Sorry I don&#039;t Twitter. But if that is how it works, I&#039;m all for it. 

Analysis.....?  Your piece reads like cheap spy novel! 

Real analysis requires actual thought, rationality, and discernment,  not paranoid conspiracies, and half truths. Like picking stocks , it takes a thoughtful reading of the 10-K, 10-Q, and other various sourced publications, not the wild writings of some outsider, who doesn&#039;t know his way around. 

Bob.

PS. If we could some how communicate with Ian Flemming he&#039;d be getting quite the laugh out of your piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom:</p>
<p>Sorry I don&#8217;t Twitter. But if that is how it works, I&#8217;m all for it. </p>
<p>Analysis&#8230;..?  Your piece reads like cheap spy novel! </p>
<p>Real analysis requires actual thought, rationality, and discernment,  not paranoid conspiracies, and half truths. Like picking stocks , it takes a thoughtful reading of the 10-K, 10-Q, and other various sourced publications, not the wild writings of some outsider, who doesn&#8217;t know his way around. </p>
<p>Bob.</p>
<p>PS. If we could some how communicate with Ian Flemming he&#8217;d be getting quite the laugh out of your piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/battening-down-the-hatches-secret-state-monitors-protest-represses-dissent/#comment-56893</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Burghardt, different people like different things.  For me, your article was just the right length and a joy to read.  Thank you for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Burghardt, different people like different things.  For me, your article was just the right length and a joy to read.  Thank you for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Burghardt</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/battening-down-the-hatches-secret-state-monitors-protest-represses-dissent/#comment-56892</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Burghardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I should write my next piece as a &quot;tweet&quot; Bob, 140 characters and out. Then I wouldn&#039;t &quot;burden&quot; readers with anything as complicated as an actual analysis of current trends. I&#039;m just saying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I should write my next piece as a &#8220;tweet&#8221; Bob, 140 characters and out. Then I wouldn&#8217;t &#8220;burden&#8221; readers with anything as complicated as an actual analysis of current trends. I&#8217;m just saying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom:

My gosh your long winded! If you have something to say, say it in as few a words as possible.  Most of what you write is  gibberish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom:</p>
<p>My gosh your long winded! If you have something to say, say it in as few a words as possible.  Most of what you write is  gibberish.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/battening-down-the-hatches-secret-state-monitors-protest-represses-dissent/#comment-56879</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A new set of rules. Would those rules in a world going through the Great Catastrophe be much different than the current “rules” which have given us a world where the financial assets of about 400 people, 400 billionaires, is roughly equal to the annual income of almost half of the world’s people? “Rules” under which those most responsible for global heating, the owners and CEO’s of the world’s fossil fuel companies and related industries and the politicians who do their bidding, will continue to be among the small group who make the decisions about who lives and who dies? 

 

Or can we create for ourselves in enough time societies governed by a new set of “rules,” a new way of organizing ourselves, a new way of living with the earth and with one another? Can we create a new way that we live as individuals, day-to-day, that builds upon the life examples and teachings of history’s great spiritual leaders, or the life examples of the tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, who have come before us who gave their lives struggling and sacrificing for a better world for their descendants?  Ted Glick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new set of rules. Would those rules in a world going through the Great Catastrophe be much different than the current “rules” which have given us a world where the financial assets of about 400 people, 400 billionaires, is roughly equal to the annual income of almost half of the world’s people? “Rules” under which those most responsible for global heating, the owners and CEO’s of the world’s fossil fuel companies and related industries and the politicians who do their bidding, will continue to be among the small group who make the decisions about who lives and who dies? </p>
<p>Or can we create for ourselves in enough time societies governed by a new set of “rules,” a new way of organizing ourselves, a new way of living with the earth and with one another? Can we create a new way that we live as individuals, day-to-day, that builds upon the life examples and teachings of history’s great spiritual leaders, or the life examples of the tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, who have come before us who gave their lives struggling and sacrificing for a better world for their descendants?  Ted Glick</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/battening-down-the-hatches-secret-state-monitors-protest-represses-dissent/#comment-56877</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long Range Acoustic Device LRAD.  Two million as a start calm at peace Capital, speech&#039;s by the best minds we have now and who is that well the History Channel has many and last night on the Weather Channel had a few how to make it happen I don&#039;t know how to do that. Do you need a permit? I still think as the sun set&#039;s to light candles and sing tomorrow tomorrow it&#039;s only a day away could help.  Could just help with the strangeness many many people are feeling.  You know being disconnected from reality more and more each day.  Thanks James Keye good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long Range Acoustic Device LRAD.  Two million as a start calm at peace Capital, speech&#8217;s by the best minds we have now and who is that well the History Channel has many and last night on the Weather Channel had a few how to make it happen I don&#8217;t know how to do that. Do you need a permit? I still think as the sun set&#8217;s to light candles and sing tomorrow tomorrow it&#8217;s only a day away could help.  Could just help with the strangeness many many people are feeling.  You know being disconnected from reality more and more each day.  Thanks James Keye good one.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/battening-down-the-hatches-secret-state-monitors-protest-represses-dissent/#comment-56874</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political repression of Tweeters is something that Iran and the US can finally agree on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political repression of Tweeters is something that Iran and the US can finally agree on!</p>
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