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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/afpak-war-on-two-fronts/#comment-57254</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Lenin said, if you want to control the opposition, then lead it!</description>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/afpak-war-on-two-fronts/#comment-57209</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep and in the first part of the twenty first century the wrongdoer&#039;s if allowed to do it wrong and so far that is the path as for the last 10k years well human&#039;s get to go into the history books for the last time. It is strange as the wrongdoer&#039;s so far are using knowledge compared to what is known that can best be described as stone age thinking.  It is strange to watch and hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep and in the first part of the twenty first century the wrongdoer&#8217;s if allowed to do it wrong and so far that is the path as for the last 10k years well human&#8217;s get to go into the history books for the last time. It is strange as the wrongdoer&#8217;s so far are using knowledge compared to what is known that can best be described as stone age thinking.  It is strange to watch and hear.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas vancouver</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/afpak-war-on-two-fronts/#comment-57207</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas vancouver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both the historical and jewstorical records prove that people can become rich only by robbing other people &#039;legally&#039;. And, i stress, only &#039;legally&#039;. Or in other words, by enacting laws that are composed so that it can be only intepreted- never ever known- only, i repeat,  interpreted.

Such writs can be only interpreted  because true-or false answers do not pertain to commands, wishes, conclusions, inferences, promises, verbal brilliancies, condemnations, etc.

And by whom? But, of  course, by people who have composed them. Now, this is not a novelty.
Such laws have [un] written by robbers since probably ca. 10-15 k yrs ago.
Constitution or any writ or utterance for that matter is an interpretative writ.
It cannot ever be known- only interpretative.

Thus the structure  of deceit appears  simple. No need to go to school or any one to tell you how simple  or ancient this structure is: Say anything. Only you know what you mean. Pay another to dig up your meanings out of the utterance.
And, presto, you are always right. Even  if the next interpretation of the utterance wld differ s&#039;what or lot, do not fear, the interpreter wld come up with exact meanings desired.

That&#039;s why an american pol or prez cannot ever be wrong while in service of the &#039;country&#039; [read, please, ruling class]. A prez can wage a second limited nuclear war and he&#039;d be correct and i f need wld arise beatified for it.
He, self may later regret it or live in hell, but the ruling class paid him/her well for his services; so the ruling class wld tell him to shut up already?

A soldier may do wrongs in combat or peace, but s/he&#039;s in lower category of service; thus, s/he may be punished in order to sooth the nerves of bigger wrongdoers! tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both the historical and jewstorical records prove that people can become rich only by robbing other people &#8216;legally&#8217;. And, i stress, only &#8216;legally&#8217;. Or in other words, by enacting laws that are composed so that it can be only intepreted- never ever known- only, i repeat,  interpreted.</p>
<p>Such writs can be only interpreted  because true-or false answers do not pertain to commands, wishes, conclusions, inferences, promises, verbal brilliancies, condemnations, etc.</p>
<p>And by whom? But, of  course, by people who have composed them. Now, this is not a novelty.<br />
Such laws have [un] written by robbers since probably ca. 10-15 k yrs ago.<br />
Constitution or any writ or utterance for that matter is an interpretative writ.<br />
It cannot ever be known- only interpretative.</p>
<p>Thus the structure  of deceit appears  simple. No need to go to school or any one to tell you how simple  or ancient this structure is: Say anything. Only you know what you mean. Pay another to dig up your meanings out of the utterance.<br />
And, presto, you are always right. Even  if the next interpretation of the utterance wld differ s&#8217;what or lot, do not fear, the interpreter wld come up with exact meanings desired.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why an american pol or prez cannot ever be wrong while in service of the &#8216;country&#8217; [read, please, ruling class]. A prez can wage a second limited nuclear war and he&#8217;d be correct and i f need wld arise beatified for it.<br />
He, self may later regret it or live in hell, but the ruling class paid him/her well for his services; so the ruling class wld tell him to shut up already?</p>
<p>A soldier may do wrongs in combat or peace, but s/he&#8217;s in lower category of service; thus, s/he may be punished in order to sooth the nerves of bigger wrongdoers! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/afpak-war-on-two-fronts/#comment-57205</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lichen, I have to admire you:) You&#039;re a true hardhead:)

Why it matters: observe that in the US in 2003 millions of people took to the streets hoping that by vigorously protesting they could prevent a fullscale US attack/invasion of Iraq. Observe also that at present there are millions of US citizens politically active to demand redress from the policies of various branches of government. 
Now look again and see erstwhile &quot;leaders&quot; of the anti-Iraqwar movement actively supporting the US occupation of Afghanistan, and their close allies in &quot;progressive&quot; circles promoting Obama&#039;s bullshit &quot;Healthcare Reform&quot;. 
We who have found our efforts to improve conditions in our local communities frustrated by the massive obstruction placed in our path by elements advertising themselves as &quot;progressive&quot; have been forced to study these elements, to try to discern whence they derive their power. 
Like Sun Tzu said, Know Your Enemy. In politics it is important to be able to distinguish between Us, Them, and Confused/Wavering. 
And to distinguish between major offensives and relatively minor activities. 
Of course those with big investments in petroleum extraction sponsor and support all kinds of gangsterism and skullduggery on every continent, but most of this stuff is on a scale small enough to fly under the MSM radar and never become a topic of public discussion. What we need to concern ourselves with is the underlying causes of the major imperial militarist initiatives like PNAC and the now redesignated &quot;war on terror&quot;,  its major thrusts
into Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, plus the current cold war (which may or may not turn atomically hot very soon?) against Iran. 
If you don&#039;t realize that the same power center which is beating the drums for a first strike on Iran also controls the so-called &quot;Democratic Party&quot; and its main constituent components right down to the local school board level, you remain doomed to waste your time and energy running round and round in the ratraces they have set up for you. 
An obvious case that has recently come to light is CodePink (which I myself have been in the habit of referring to as ColdFink;). 
The Art of Ruling is primarily the art of getting other people to rule THEMSELVES. Yes the perfection of Technology, of ever-slicker weaponry and militarist organization is vitally important-- but Tricknology is more important still. Getting you to internalize the values and desires of your masters without being coerced: THAT is the real key to Empire. So help me Time Warner:) 
Beware of MISLEADERS. Always remember Father Gapon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lichen, I have to admire you:) You&#8217;re a true hardhead:)</p>
<p>Why it matters: observe that in the US in 2003 millions of people took to the streets hoping that by vigorously protesting they could prevent a fullscale US attack/invasion of Iraq. Observe also that at present there are millions of US citizens politically active to demand redress from the policies of various branches of government.<br />
Now look again and see erstwhile &#8220;leaders&#8221; of the anti-Iraqwar movement actively supporting the US occupation of Afghanistan, and their close allies in &#8220;progressive&#8221; circles promoting Obama&#8217;s bullshit &#8220;Healthcare Reform&#8221;.<br />
We who have found our efforts to improve conditions in our local communities frustrated by the massive obstruction placed in our path by elements advertising themselves as &#8220;progressive&#8221; have been forced to study these elements, to try to discern whence they derive their power.<br />
Like Sun Tzu said, Know Your Enemy. In politics it is important to be able to distinguish between Us, Them, and Confused/Wavering.<br />
And to distinguish between major offensives and relatively minor activities.<br />
Of course those with big investments in petroleum extraction sponsor and support all kinds of gangsterism and skullduggery on every continent, but most of this stuff is on a scale small enough to fly under the MSM radar and never become a topic of public discussion. What we need to concern ourselves with is the underlying causes of the major imperial militarist initiatives like PNAC and the now redesignated &#8220;war on terror&#8221;,  its major thrusts<br />
into Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, plus the current cold war (which may or may not turn atomically hot very soon?) against Iran.<br />
If you don&#8217;t realize that the same power center which is beating the drums for a first strike on Iran also controls the so-called &#8220;Democratic Party&#8221; and its main constituent components right down to the local school board level, you remain doomed to waste your time and energy running round and round in the ratraces they have set up for you.<br />
An obvious case that has recently come to light is CodePink (which I myself have been in the habit of referring to as ColdFink;).<br />
The Art of Ruling is primarily the art of getting other people to rule THEMSELVES. Yes the perfection of Technology, of ever-slicker weaponry and militarist organization is vitally important&#8211; but Tricknology is more important still. Getting you to internalize the values and desires of your masters without being coerced: THAT is the real key to Empire. So help me Time Warner:)<br />
Beware of MISLEADERS. Always remember Father Gapon.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Walberg</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/afpak-war-on-two-fronts/#comment-57191</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Walberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course the zios are at the heart of imperialism, just as jews were there long before 1948. this is the focus of my book -- alas still unpublished. you can read the intro and see the table of contents at 
http://www.ericwalberg.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=167:one-world-20th-century-conspiracies-&amp;catid=44:books-of-interest&amp;Itemid=97

i&#039;m usually accused of being obsessed with the zios and find it refreshing to be able to write something without dragging them in. they are lurking there but not necessary to my overall argument here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course the zios are at the heart of imperialism, just as jews were there long before 1948. this is the focus of my book &#8212; alas still unpublished. you can read the intro and see the table of contents at<br />
<a href="http://www.ericwalberg.com/index.php?option=com_content&#038;view=article&#038;id=167:one-world-20th-century-conspiracies-&#038;catid=44:books-of-interest&#038;Itemid=97" rel="nofollow">http://www.ericwalberg.com/index.php?option=com_content&#038;view=article&#038;id=167:one-world-20th-century-conspiracies-&#038;catid=44:books-of-interest&#038;Itemid=97</a></p>
<p>i&#8217;m usually accused of being obsessed with the zios and find it refreshing to be able to write something without dragging them in. they are lurking there but not necessary to my overall argument here.</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/afpak-war-on-two-fronts/#comment-57163</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, how dare anyone not nod in agreement with your anti-zionist conspiracy theories, even though obviously it doesn&#039;t matter and doesn&#039;t bring about any more effective solution than people who don&#039;t bother with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, how dare anyone not nod in agreement with your anti-zionist conspiracy theories, even though obviously it doesn&#8217;t matter and doesn&#8217;t bring about any more effective solution than people who don&#8217;t bother with it.</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/afpak-war-on-two-fronts/#comment-57159</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deadbeat,

thanks for comment. will respond more fully at first oppty:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat,</p>
<p>thanks for comment. will respond more fully at first oppty:)</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/afpak-war-on-two-fronts/#comment-57158</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Treasury&#039;s Cohen Cracks Down!...well, not on *everyone*
P U L S E Media 

The Treasury Department&#039;s assistant secretary David Cohen 
addressed the American Bankers Association on Monday. 
Cohen implored the assembled executives to understand that 
money laundering sometimes involves &quot;good money being put to 
bad use,&quot; a standard the G7 Financial Action Task Force adopted 
way back in 1989. Cohen outlined Treasury&#039;s efforts to &quot;detect, deter 
and deny&quot; money launderers access to the financial system by 
naming and shaming &quot;facilitators&quot; from the Gulf petroleum producers 
to Mexico. He also warned that there would be &quot;reputational and legal 
consequences&quot; for banks that didn&#039;t pull at the yoke of expanded 
Treasury powers assumed under Executive order 13224 (PDF).

Audience members were visibly uneasy during camera pans. There 
was little interest in questioning the Treasury&#039;s new employee. Perhaps 
with good reason. James G. Carr, the chief federal judge in northern 
Ohio, recently ruled that Treasury was acting unconstitutionally when 
it froze a US charity under suspicion of terrorist ties. US courts are only 
beginning to weigh in on the vast new powers assumed by Treasury. 
Until now there has been little visibility into its overseas activities. 
Treasury maintains that the Bank Secrecy Act, a money laundering 
law, empowers it to deny FOIA requests.

If Cohen and his AIPAC approved mentor Stuart Levey truly wish to 
test their ability to fight the largest unaddressed remaining terrorism 
motivator in the Middle East, they could score a &quot;slam dunk&quot; without 
trampling on the Constitution or even leaving US shores.   Since 1977 
US nonprofit charitable corporations and individual donors have helped 
launder $50-60 billion into illegal West Bank settlements, violating US 
criminal statutes and Israeli laws.  If Cohen wants to &quot;name and shame&quot; 
the kingpins financing the construction that undermines the Obama 
administration&#039;s policy, he can start with bingo entrepeneur Irving 
Moskwitz and diamond magnate Lev Leviev. 

Full Post
http://pulsemedia.org/2009/10/16/treasurys-cohen-cracks-down-well-not-on-everyone/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Treasury&#8217;s Cohen Cracks Down!&#8230;well, not on *everyone*<br />
P U L S E Media </p>
<p>The Treasury Department&#8217;s assistant secretary David Cohen<br />
addressed the American Bankers Association on Monday.<br />
Cohen implored the assembled executives to understand that<br />
money laundering sometimes involves &#8220;good money being put to<br />
bad use,&#8221; a standard the G7 Financial Action Task Force adopted<br />
way back in 1989. Cohen outlined Treasury&#8217;s efforts to &#8220;detect, deter<br />
and deny&#8221; money launderers access to the financial system by<br />
naming and shaming &#8220;facilitators&#8221; from the Gulf petroleum producers<br />
to Mexico. He also warned that there would be &#8220;reputational and legal<br />
consequences&#8221; for banks that didn&#8217;t pull at the yoke of expanded<br />
Treasury powers assumed under Executive order 13224 (PDF).</p>
<p>Audience members were visibly uneasy during camera pans. There<br />
was little interest in questioning the Treasury&#8217;s new employee. Perhaps<br />
with good reason. James G. Carr, the chief federal judge in northern<br />
Ohio, recently ruled that Treasury was acting unconstitutionally when<br />
it froze a US charity under suspicion of terrorist ties. US courts are only<br />
beginning to weigh in on the vast new powers assumed by Treasury.<br />
Until now there has been little visibility into its overseas activities.<br />
Treasury maintains that the Bank Secrecy Act, a money laundering<br />
law, empowers it to deny FOIA requests.</p>
<p>If Cohen and his AIPAC approved mentor Stuart Levey truly wish to<br />
test their ability to fight the largest unaddressed remaining terrorism<br />
motivator in the Middle East, they could score a &#8220;slam dunk&#8221; without<br />
trampling on the Constitution or even leaving US shores.   Since 1977<br />
US nonprofit charitable corporations and individual donors have helped<br />
launder $50-60 billion into illegal West Bank settlements, violating US<br />
criminal statutes and Israeli laws.  If Cohen wants to &#8220;name and shame&#8221;<br />
the kingpins financing the construction that undermines the Obama<br />
administration&#8217;s policy, he can start with bingo entrepeneur Irving<br />
Moskwitz and diamond magnate Lev Leviev. </p>
<p>Full Post<br />
<a href="http://pulsemedia.org/2009/10/16/treasurys-cohen-cracks-down-well-not-on-everyone/" rel="nofollow">http://pulsemedia.org/2009/10/16/treasurys-cohen-cracks-down-well-not-on-everyone/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/afpak-war-on-two-fronts/#comment-57152</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

  I hope you have time to later to complete your argument.  You clearly are providing a very interesting historical linkage which has been suppressed by the so-called &quot;Left&quot; who would rather shift attention solely upon the oil interests which I would guess historically Jews have played little to no role in thereby shifting scrutiny away from them.  

The net affect of this misdirection has been to curtail analysis and to diffuse the confrontation of Zionism which in turn has led to an overall weakening of confronting white supremacy racism and Capitalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>  I hope you have time to later to complete your argument.  You clearly are providing a very interesting historical linkage which has been suppressed by the so-called &#8220;Left&#8221; who would rather shift attention solely upon the oil interests which I would guess historically Jews have played little to no role in thereby shifting scrutiny away from them.  </p>
<p>The net affect of this misdirection has been to curtail analysis and to diffuse the confrontation of Zionism which in turn has led to an overall weakening of confronting white supremacy racism and Capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/afpak-war-on-two-fronts/#comment-57146</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, you insist on ignoring all the anti-Zionist Power scholarship that has been published last five yrs. Summers and Rubin are a couple of minor figures, retainers of the real owners of the banking system. The Rothschilds are still the biggest single force, followed by the Rockefeller/Morgan/Mellon-Scaife bunch who once ran the show but got in the habit of delegating more and more to Jewish employees and supposed financial allies that they now find themselves playing second fiddle to Goldman Sachs. 

But I don&#039;t have time to really explain everything I&#039;ve discovered. The upper echelons of Imperial Governance are not transparent, it&#039;s not easy to assemble reliable information in a form that will convince people who have an intellectual investment in thinking things work in a certain way. 
No, the US expansionist/imperialist power structure did not, as a matter of fact, &quot;simply get replaced one day with Zionism&quot;. The process whereby the Zionist fraction of the capitalist class came to be able to dominate the policy-making process took place over several decades, with a marked accelleration after 1948 and an even more marked same after 1967. And the US capitalist power config that consolidated with the Civil War and the end of Reconstruction has not vanished, it&#039;s just lost its undisputed hold as top dog. 
When we consider Zionism in the US, we have to keep in mind Jewish Capitalist Solidarity, which was an important element in capitalism everywhere capitalism existed before Zionism became a widely discussed ideology. Consider the amazing coup pulled off by Nathan Rothschild in the 24 hrs after he learned Napoleon had been defeated at Waterloo until the British Gov&#039;t got the news. 
So there has always been a big Jewish element in capitalism, dominated at least since Waterloo by people whose outlook was Judeocentric chauvinism, perhaps best described as  &quot;proto-Zionist&quot;?
But I have a medical appt &amp; have to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, you insist on ignoring all the anti-Zionist Power scholarship that has been published last five yrs. Summers and Rubin are a couple of minor figures, retainers of the real owners of the banking system. The Rothschilds are still the biggest single force, followed by the Rockefeller/Morgan/Mellon-Scaife bunch who once ran the show but got in the habit of delegating more and more to Jewish employees and supposed financial allies that they now find themselves playing second fiddle to Goldman Sachs. </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t have time to really explain everything I&#8217;ve discovered. The upper echelons of Imperial Governance are not transparent, it&#8217;s not easy to assemble reliable information in a form that will convince people who have an intellectual investment in thinking things work in a certain way.<br />
No, the US expansionist/imperialist power structure did not, as a matter of fact, &#8220;simply get replaced one day with Zionism&#8221;. The process whereby the Zionist fraction of the capitalist class came to be able to dominate the policy-making process took place over several decades, with a marked accelleration after 1948 and an even more marked same after 1967. And the US capitalist power config that consolidated with the Civil War and the end of Reconstruction has not vanished, it&#8217;s just lost its undisputed hold as top dog.<br />
When we consider Zionism in the US, we have to keep in mind Jewish Capitalist Solidarity, which was an important element in capitalism everywhere capitalism existed before Zionism became a widely discussed ideology. Consider the amazing coup pulled off by Nathan Rothschild in the 24 hrs after he learned Napoleon had been defeated at Waterloo until the British Gov&#8217;t got the news.<br />
So there has always been a big Jewish element in capitalism, dominated at least since Waterloo by people whose outlook was Judeocentric chauvinism, perhaps best described as  &#8220;proto-Zionist&#8221;?<br />
But I have a medical appt &amp; have to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/afpak-war-on-two-fronts/#comment-57121</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dan e &quot;That the US State Apparatus existed before it was hijacked, taken over by the Zionist Power Config and close allies is not subject to dispute.&quot;

But of course it&#039;s open to dispute. It is here that the crux of the problem lies and we can&#039;t simply push it away in one cavalier whish.

I think you are implying that Robert Rubin and Larry Summers are Zionists in the sense that their financial ideology is tuned to Israel&#039;s well-being. I know you have not mentioned their name, but let&#039;s just use them as the basis for a large cadre of Jewish financiers. It makes for a clearer discussion than coyness.

If this is the case then you need to connect the dots. I&#039;ll admit that there are Zionist in the baronhood - like Howard Schultz of Starbucks, but he doesn&#039;t run US policy even if you has more influence than you and me as part of the elite money class.

In the end, dan e, you have made no connection between Zionists in the US military complex.

If you said, Rahm Emmanuel is a Zionist situated in a high position within the Obama Administration and therefore there is pressure to support Israel/Zionist policies, I would say you have a clear point and one that lies squarely and unequivocally on Obama&#039;s shoulders.

I think we both agree that the Zionist movement has been a force in US policy, mostly in the Middle East and more specifically with regards to Israel/Palestine. No one is questioning that, certainly I&#039;m not.

But when we extrapolate this relationship to the overarching US foreign/domestic (tightly coupled) policies, I do think the case is being overblown. When that happens we no longer keep our eyes on the ball and start framing everything from a Zionist perspective. The legacy of US imperialism and it&#039;s bases throughout the world and its endless conflict and wars did not simply get replaced one day with Zionism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan e &#8220;That the US State Apparatus existed before it was hijacked, taken over by the Zionist Power Config and close allies is not subject to dispute.&#8221;</p>
<p>But of course it&#8217;s open to dispute. It is here that the crux of the problem lies and we can&#8217;t simply push it away in one cavalier whish.</p>
<p>I think you are implying that Robert Rubin and Larry Summers are Zionists in the sense that their financial ideology is tuned to Israel&#8217;s well-being. I know you have not mentioned their name, but let&#8217;s just use them as the basis for a large cadre of Jewish financiers. It makes for a clearer discussion than coyness.</p>
<p>If this is the case then you need to connect the dots. I&#8217;ll admit that there are Zionist in the baronhood &#8211; like Howard Schultz of Starbucks, but he doesn&#8217;t run US policy even if you has more influence than you and me as part of the elite money class.</p>
<p>In the end, dan e, you have made no connection between Zionists in the US military complex.</p>
<p>If you said, Rahm Emmanuel is a Zionist situated in a high position within the Obama Administration and therefore there is pressure to support Israel/Zionist policies, I would say you have a clear point and one that lies squarely and unequivocally on Obama&#8217;s shoulders.</p>
<p>I think we both agree that the Zionist movement has been a force in US policy, mostly in the Middle East and more specifically with regards to Israel/Palestine. No one is questioning that, certainly I&#8217;m not.</p>
<p>But when we extrapolate this relationship to the overarching US foreign/domestic (tightly coupled) policies, I do think the case is being overblown. When that happens we no longer keep our eyes on the ball and start framing everything from a Zionist perspective. The legacy of US imperialism and it&#8217;s bases throughout the world and its endless conflict and wars did not simply get replaced one day with Zionism.</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That the US State Apparatus existed before it was hijacked, taken over by the Zionist Power Config and close allies is not subject to dispute. That there is a degree of confluence between the interests and aims of the formerly hegemonic &quot;goyish&quot; fraction of the US ruling class, i.e., the Rockefellers/Morgans/Mellons and allied families, on the one hand, and the currently hegemonic Zionist fraction is obvious. Both fractions do exist. Some investors rely mainly on realizing profits from the sale of commodities. Such folks have and continue to support military action which facilitates their business interests, but oppose military activity which tends to injure their business interests. Another class of investors prefers to rely on guaranteed profits derived from the US Defense budget. Closely linked with this class are those who rely mainly on operations in the Financial Sector, that is, on legalized robbery facilitated by the Federal Reserve, US Treasury, US Congress, plus the Bank for International Settlements and the redesigned IMF/Worldbank. 
The leading operators in this realm of massive theft are all Zionist Jews or employees of Zionist Jews. Of course this is all completely coincidental and has nothing to do with Ashkenazi or any other Jewish subculture;)
 You can compare it to the legacy of the Slavery culture in the US South: of course not all White Southerners were slaveowners, and not all are racists today. But if you find yourself at a NASCAR event and think you notice something sick about the atmosphere, it must be because you are a bigot, right? 
I was invited to attend a conference put on by a group of &quot;progressive&quot;, &quot;pro-peace&quot; Bay Area Jewish organizations. When I walked into the big hall for the Plenary, I was struck by something in the atmosphere. I said to myself &quot;why this is Sick! I haven&#039;t been in a room so pervaded by a sense of Sick Sick Sick since I was briefly in the Wash DC Greyhound Bus depot back in &#039;57 when Jim Crow was still in full swing.&quot;
Zionism and Capitalism: Since capitalism began there have always been Jews playing prominent parts in it. Exactly HOW prominent has been a subject of debate and still is, even here on DV -- but there is no mistaking the dominant role of the Zionist Power Config in the US Capitalist State  Apparatus, as well in other capitalist metropoles such as France. 
However, Rockefeller et al are not entirely out of the game, or McChrystal wouldn&#039;t have to go through such gyrations trying to escalate the AfPak plan to reduce Pakistan to one stone sitting on top of one other, and Iran would have been bombed into the paleolithic by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That the US State Apparatus existed before it was hijacked, taken over by the Zionist Power Config and close allies is not subject to dispute. That there is a degree of confluence between the interests and aims of the formerly hegemonic &#8220;goyish&#8221; fraction of the US ruling class, i.e., the Rockefellers/Morgans/Mellons and allied families, on the one hand, and the currently hegemonic Zionist fraction is obvious. Both fractions do exist. Some investors rely mainly on realizing profits from the sale of commodities. Such folks have and continue to support military action which facilitates their business interests, but oppose military activity which tends to injure their business interests. Another class of investors prefers to rely on guaranteed profits derived from the US Defense budget. Closely linked with this class are those who rely mainly on operations in the Financial Sector, that is, on legalized robbery facilitated by the Federal Reserve, US Treasury, US Congress, plus the Bank for International Settlements and the redesigned IMF/Worldbank.<br />
The leading operators in this realm of massive theft are all Zionist Jews or employees of Zionist Jews. Of course this is all completely coincidental and has nothing to do with Ashkenazi or any other Jewish subculture;)<br />
 You can compare it to the legacy of the Slavery culture in the US South: of course not all White Southerners were slaveowners, and not all are racists today. But if you find yourself at a NASCAR event and think you notice something sick about the atmosphere, it must be because you are a bigot, right?<br />
I was invited to attend a conference put on by a group of &#8220;progressive&#8221;, &#8220;pro-peace&#8221; Bay Area Jewish organizations. When I walked into the big hall for the Plenary, I was struck by something in the atmosphere. I said to myself &#8220;why this is Sick! I haven&#8217;t been in a room so pervaded by a sense of Sick Sick Sick since I was briefly in the Wash DC Greyhound Bus depot back in &#8217;57 when Jim Crow was still in full swing.&#8221;<br />
Zionism and Capitalism: Since capitalism began there have always been Jews playing prominent parts in it. Exactly HOW prominent has been a subject of debate and still is, even here on DV &#8212; but there is no mistaking the dominant role of the Zionist Power Config in the US Capitalist State  Apparatus, as well in other capitalist metropoles such as France.<br />
However, Rockefeller et al are not entirely out of the game, or McChrystal wouldn&#8217;t have to go through such gyrations trying to escalate the AfPak plan to reduce Pakistan to one stone sitting on top of one other, and Iran would have been bombed into the paleolithic by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Walberg</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good point re canada&#039;s hypocrisy, tho you must acknowledge we weren&#039;t in vietnam or iraq, at least officially.
while the cdn public is not &#039;up in arms&#039; over afghanistan, a solid majority is for ending canada&#039;s involvement toute suite. it is definitely not gung-ho. of course, the media brainwashing is key to keeping the lid on protests. it&#039;s hard to blame people too much for being  brainwashed.
eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good point re canada&#8217;s hypocrisy, tho you must acknowledge we weren&#8217;t in vietnam or iraq, at least officially.<br />
while the cdn public is not &#8216;up in arms&#8217; over afghanistan, a solid majority is for ending canada&#8217;s involvement toute suite. it is definitely not gung-ho. of course, the media brainwashing is key to keeping the lid on protests. it&#8217;s hard to blame people too much for being  brainwashed.<br />
eric</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Canadian public has not indicated it has any real difficulty with its troops in Afghanistan. None of the political parties including the left leaning New Democratic Party is willing to take on the ruling minority Conservatives over this issue. Furthermore, the myth of Canada&#039;s &quot;peackeeping&quot; role, is just that. Canada has always been &#039;Satan&#039;s little helper&#039;  to imperialist designs, and only acts as &quot;peacekeeper&quot; when those interests are served by doing so. As in  Afghanistan, if warmaking is required, we&#039;ll go that way.

JJ. Toronto</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Canadian public has not indicated it has any real difficulty with its troops in Afghanistan. None of the political parties including the left leaning New Democratic Party is willing to take on the ruling minority Conservatives over this issue. Furthermore, the myth of Canada&#8217;s &#8220;peackeeping&#8221; role, is just that. Canada has always been &#8216;Satan&#8217;s little helper&#8217;  to imperialist designs, and only acts as &#8220;peacekeeper&#8221; when those interests are served by doing so. As in  Afghanistan, if warmaking is required, we&#8217;ll go that way.</p>
<p>JJ. Toronto</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/afpak-war-on-two-fronts/#comment-57082</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add, this empire has been calculated and built on the &quot;shoulders&quot; of many US administrations. The US historical lineage must be taken into account. It just seems myopic to ignore it in favor of a Zionist framework to explain US invasions and occupations, even if such an idological match up exists here and there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add, this empire has been calculated and built on the &#8220;shoulders&#8221; of many US administrations. The US historical lineage must be taken into account. It just seems myopic to ignore it in favor of a Zionist framework to explain US invasions and occupations, even if such an idological match up exists here and there.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dan e I read the Counterpunch article and found it well within the realm of credibility.

I&#039;ve read from a few here that &quot;oil&quot; or regional dominance is not the reason the US empire supports some 800 bases world-wide, and has been fighting endless wars either directly or through proxies for as long as most alive can remember.

It just seems to me the burden of proof, that these are about Zionism, must fall squarely on those who make the allegation. While not denying Zionists place in certain Middle Eastern (and perhaps African) military projects, I find it rather incredulous to think of that ideology as more than a confluent element with US centuries old manifest destiny and exceptionalism that has fueled the US Empire since it emerged after the enslavement of Africans, the genocide of the indigenous people in the North American Continent, and after the bloody Civil War of the mid-19th Century. With, T. Roosevelt and W. Wilson the stage was set and the march has been steady.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan e I read the Counterpunch article and found it well within the realm of credibility.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read from a few here that &#8220;oil&#8221; or regional dominance is not the reason the US empire supports some 800 bases world-wide, and has been fighting endless wars either directly or through proxies for as long as most alive can remember.</p>
<p>It just seems to me the burden of proof, that these are about Zionism, must fall squarely on those who make the allegation. While not denying Zionists place in certain Middle Eastern (and perhaps African) military projects, I find it rather incredulous to think of that ideology as more than a confluent element with US centuries old manifest destiny and exceptionalism that has fueled the US Empire since it emerged after the enslavement of Africans, the genocide of the indigenous people in the North American Continent, and after the bloody Civil War of the mid-19th Century. With, T. Roosevelt and W. Wilson the stage was set and the march has been steady.</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/afpak-war-on-two-fronts/#comment-57048</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.counterpunch.org/pirbhai10142009.html

is the link to the most interesting version of the &quot;war for oil&quot; snowjob that I&#039;ve seen in quite a while. To me the rehearsal of the historical record has some value since even though I followed the series of events when they were happening I tend to forget exactly who said what when. 
Likewise Mr Wahlberg&#039;s take has considerable merit, but to present an analysis of the &quot;AfPak&quot; aspect of the Bush/Obama global militarist offensive without mentioning the role of the Zionist Power Configuration is to expose yourself as a hypocrite:)</description>
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<p>is the link to the most interesting version of the &#8220;war for oil&#8221; snowjob that I&#8217;ve seen in quite a while. To me the rehearsal of the historical record has some value since even though I followed the series of events when they were happening I tend to forget exactly who said what when.<br />
Likewise Mr Wahlberg&#8217;s take has considerable merit, but to present an analysis of the &#8220;AfPak&#8221; aspect of the Bush/Obama global militarist offensive without mentioning the role of the Zionist Power Configuration is to expose yourself as a hypocrite:)</p>
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