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		<title>By: B99</title>
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		<description>Mebosa - Arabs ARE Christians.  Arab is not a religious designation.

Israel has given no concessions.  As the early Zionists made clear - they came to establish a state for Jews - not for Jews and Gentiles.  Thus Jews, came only to take - and they have done only that.  

In as much as Jews will not make any concessions - they may yet have to make the ultimate concession - and go back to wandering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mebosa &#8211; Arabs ARE Christians.  Arab is not a religious designation.</p>
<p>Israel has given no concessions.  As the early Zionists made clear &#8211; they came to establish a state for Jews &#8211; not for Jews and Gentiles.  Thus Jews, came only to take &#8211; and they have done only that.  </p>
<p>In as much as Jews will not make any concessions &#8211; they may yet have to make the ultimate concession &#8211; and go back to wandering.</p>
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		<title>By: MEBOSA RITCHIE</title>
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		<description>MARY---at long last--a decent copy and paste posting. i hadn&#039;t received this this wonderful letter but now thanks to you i have. this guy sums up the whole kernel of the israel arab conflict namely the arabs constant refusal to allow any jewish or indeed non muslim presence in the middle east.
it won&#039;t matter how many concessions israel gives the arabs it will not be enough and they will sacrifice their people,civilians,2 legged animals--whatever one calls them for their persistent hatred of the jew 
end of story
israel may as well remain in the whole of the area they currently hold</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MARY&#8212;at long last&#8211;a decent copy and paste posting. i hadn&#8217;t received this this wonderful letter but now thanks to you i have. this guy sums up the whole kernel of the israel arab conflict namely the arabs constant refusal to allow any jewish or indeed non muslim presence in the middle east.<br />
it won&#8217;t matter how many concessions israel gives the arabs it will not be enough and they will sacrifice their people,civilians,2 legged animals&#8211;whatever one calls them for their persistent hatred of the jew<br />
end of story<br />
israel may as well remain in the whole of the area they currently hold</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas vancouver</title>
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		<description>mary, no. I did not receive that letter. If i did i wld have never read it. I try yo boycott writings of any cultist or aperson who is for two-state solution or solely one, the &#039;jewish&#039;! tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mary, no. I did not receive that letter. If i did i wld have never read it. I try yo boycott writings of any cultist or aperson who is for two-state solution or solely one, the &#8216;jewish&#8217;! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mulga - ref &#039;priesthoods&#039;. There&#039;s a very dangerous one residing in BC Canada who is sending out these missives including this to a friend. Never mind the quality - feel the length!
 
CHRISTIANS FOR MOSES MINISTRIES 
 
To:  (name deleted)
 
        NOTICE  OF JUDICIAL SENTENCE BY ECCLESIASTICAL COURT
        Sir:
 
Reliable sources in the Anglican community have informed Christians for Moses Ministries that you are committing slander against the holy state of Israel and its holy Jewish people, singing the praises of Palestinian Islamic terrorists and committing an assorted variety of other related reactionary activities. Our disciples in London corroborate this news. This constitutes a disproportionate abuse of your Christian upbringing and calls into question your British residency.
Review by our Investigations Department of the evidence submitted in your dossier clearly reveals that the views and activities you have adopted on behalf of the enemies of Israel are obscene and racist. Moreover, and more to the point, they are a gross provocation to the sensibilities of our 55,000 world-wide membership of devout Christians who are enraged by your deliberately stoking the fires of anti-Semitism in the public domain.
We have also taken note that as 200 Darfur African Blacks are being daily slaughtered in the Arab Sudan, such that this Islamic-supported genocide has to date taken 350,000 lives and ethnically cleansed 2.5 million Blacks, you act as a stooge of the Palestinian Islamic terrorists, engaging in a demonization and negation of the holy Jewish people and their Zionist state.
I want you to realize that your outrageous behaviour is unforgiveable. Zionist Israel is a revolutionary micro-state whose existence has permeated the world with universal morality.
Today, Zionist Israel is surrounded by 21 backward Arab countries dominated by a jihadist, imperialist culture seeking Islamic hegemony over the Middle East and beyond. Along with the Hamas Gazan junta, these feudal Arab regimes daily repress their populations and incite them to support their quest for the genocide of Israel&#039;s 6 million Jews. They have now been joined by the Persian imperialist Shiites of Iran and their Hezbollah Shiite lackeys in Lebanon in this goal.
Your active support of these neo-fascists is a result of your absorption of a Judeophobic ideology which has brainwashed dysfunctional radicals such as yourself into supporting the ultra right- wing Islamic fundamentalists in the Holy Land and their terrorist masters in Damascus and Tehran as well as the criminal Fatah gang in Ramallah. This is utterly revolting. Especially since international Islamic finance capital bankrolls these feudal reactionaries. And more to the point, particularly since Islam is a religion founded on wars of colonial settler occupation.
We have also found that you do not demonstrate any originality in your heinous assertions that the Arabs of the Land of Israel, who have conducted pogroms of extermination for four centuries against the indigenous Jews of the Holy Land, are victims rather than aggressors.
This claim is a lie.
You merely parrot the sacrosanct foundational mythology invented by the Arab League and recycled by the Palestinian Arab war criminals in Ramallah and Gaza.
Everyone knows that the homeland of the Arabs of Palestine is Arabia. In 638 A.D. these imperialists invaded Palestine and stole by force the Holy Land from the aboriginal Jews tilling the soil there. In quick order, they installed the worst apartheid regime the world has ever known against Jews and Christians. Untold thousands of Jews were massacred in Safed, Tiberias, Hebron and Jerusalem over the centuries in a slow-motion genocide by these barbarians. The holy places of the Jews -- the Tomb of Joseph in Nablus and the Shalom Synagogue in Jericho, the Tomb of Rachel in Efrat, the Tombs of the Sages in Tiberias, the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron, David&#039;s Tomb on Mount Zion and the Temple Mount in Jerusalem -- were desecrated by these Arab usurpers. 
 
The Turkish and Syrian archives are overflowing with details of these genocidal massacres committed by the fellaheen Arabs and Bedouin of Palestine.

Furthermore, the remaining Jewish survivors, especially in Nablus, Gaza, Ramleh and Acre became the objects of a wholesale ethnic cleansing campaign until the Western Powers intervened on their behalf. Finally, with the collusion of the British imperialists after World War I, the Arabs were allowed to steal Eastern Palestine or 78 per cent of the country and rename it Trans-Jordan, leaving the Jews and the remaining Arabs in Western Palestine with 22 per cent. 
 
In their war of aggression in 1948, the Arab Palestinian gangs and their fraternal  Arab invading armies from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Trans-Jordan and Iraq militarily sought 100 per cent of Palestine but were repulsed by the virtually unarmed, gallant and successful resistance fighters of the Hebrew working class and Yiddish Holocaust survivors. However, the terrorist Arabs&#039; goal to this day remains a 100 per cent land grab of Palestine.

In addition, the brutal Arabs of the Holy Land convinced their brethren in the nearly two dozen other Arab countries to massacre and ethnically cleanse their lands of Jewish inhabitants who lived there before the Arabs ever came on the scene -- nearly a million Jews were brutally tortured and expelled from their homes in Morocco, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Algeria, Tunisia, Lebanon, Libya, Iraq, and Bahrain. These refugees were never compensated and the right of return was denied to them. You never raised your voice against this ethnic cleansing tragedy. Where is your  conscience? Where are your objections? Where are your universal values? For shame!

You also failed to commemorate the most horrific nakba experienced by the Palestinian people at the hand of the Hashemite ruler in September 1970. At that time, 20,000 Palestinians in refugee camps were butchered by Jordanian tanks. You write and say nothing about this because you are afraid the powerful Palestine Lobby will destroy you. Such cowardice on your part!  
Our congregants visited Gaza, Nablus and Bethehem last year. They found their fellow Christians living under the apartheid policies of the Palestinian Muslim Arabs. Churches there for hundreds of years have been fire-bombed and torched while the YMCAs in Qalqilya and Gaza city were razed to the ground, all because of Pope Benedict&#039;s speech. An overt campaign of ethnic cleansing and forced conversions of the Christian population under Palestinian Muslim Arab control is in full swing. All true humanists must stop this atavistic campaign and support the national liberation of the Palestinian Christians of Armenian, Arab, Copt, Greek, Latin and Ethiopian descent from the so-called Palestinian people.

For it is now abundantly clear to the entire world that Palestinianism is the insistence on an ethnically-exclusive state for ethnically-defined Arab Muslim people only. Palestinianism thrives only in alliance with the two Islamic imperialist powers -- Iran and Syria.
In light of the above, it is therefore concluded that the &quot;facts&quot; you adduce to justify the atrocities committed against the Jews of Israel by the maniacal Palestine Arabs are patent lies and malicious fabrications. The so-called Palestinian people are not enduring any brutal occupation but the Darfur Blacks are, followed by the Tibetans under China, the Tamils under Sri Lanka, Georgians and Chechens under Russia, Christians under the Palestinian Arabs, the Kurds under Turkey, the Basques under Spain, the Corsicans under France, the Lebanese Christians under Hezbollah, the Copts under Egypt and the Aborigines under Australia.

Israel, in fact, maintains no &quot;occupation&quot;. Under the Camp David Accords of 1979, it turned over the Sinai to Egypt, and under the 1993 Oslo Accords it handed over Judea, Samaria and the Gaza Strip to the Palestinian Authority. In 2007, the Palestinian Hamas murderers staged a coup and illegally occupied the Gaza Strip, demonstrating their naked power. The presence of Israeli soldiers in parts of Judea and Samaria is due to national security reasons related to Palestinian Arab suicide bombers. Under international law, a nation is allowed to invoke the rule of self-defence against foreign attackers. You ought to have known that had the Palestinian Authority and Hamas stopped the suicide bombers and rocket attacks against Israel, there would now be a full peace between the Palestinian Arabs and the Palestinian Jews.

Truly progressive forces the world over understand that, in the Koran, Allah and Muhammad stipulate the retrocession of the Land of Israel to the Jewish people through the assistance of righteous Muslims, in a Sura that the Palestinian Arabs wish to desperately hide. Why? Because they have been indoctrinated to become a key component of Islamic imperialism, which today is waging a global war to reconquer and recolonize the world it once occupied by the sword. This includes Spain and Eastern Russia. As a result, true progressives are duty-bound to vigorously support the international community&#039;s boycott, divestment and sanctions campaign aimed at halting the Hamas junta&#039;s continuing war crimes in Gaza and other international humanitarian law violations.

Every week on world television screens the Palestinan Arabs slaughter each other in the West Bank and Gaza with ambushes, roof-top lynchings, bombings of hospitals, raping of Christian nuns, theft of business property, hoarding of fuel and flour for resale, horrific and unimaginable cruelty against intellectuals, and confiscation of tax monies to pay for smuggled weapons of war. The Islamic Hamas ruling clique has tortured and incarcerated thousands of Palestinian women, children and young men without access to Red Crescent visitations. Gaza has been turned into a vast concentration camp by Hamas which is subsidized by the Hitlerists in Tehran.
 
The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights has documented the cruel exploitation and torture of children by the Hamas and Fatah gangs. Many are lured with bribes of money and visions of Paradise to become carriers of bomb vests fitted with nails and broken glass so that they can infiltrate Israel&#039;s public squares. They then immolate themselves with their suicide bombs, massacring Israeli children in the process. Not a word has been written or uttered by you against this phantasmagoric orgy of death perpetrated by the brutal and satanic Palestinians.

Muslim conquerors in history subjected Jews and Christians to their humiliating Sharia apartheid laws known as the dhimma. The Fatimid Caliph Hakim burnt their holy places and forcibly converted them to Islam. Hamas and Hezbollah are bourgeois racist Islamic movements, which like fascism, stand for aggressive chauvinist aspirations. Iran is a Hitlerist nation. It has declared its objective of annihilating the Jews of Israel and establishing annual conferences of &quot;experts&quot; to deny the Holocaust of 6 million Jews. Only a deviant radical like you could support such war criminals who massively violate the Fourth Geneva Convention and its Protocols.

After Auschwitz and the numerous other concentration camps, no person on this earth is permitted to calumniate the holy Jewish people and their land with impunity. The holy Jewish people will never again be martyred by bestial fanatics wherever they may reside or whatever title they carry or whatever gender they proclaim. Persons like you that willingly prostitute themselves for Palestinian Arab terrorists and Islamic revanchism cannot escape responsibility for complicity in their war crimes.
 
The International Christian Zionist Solidarity Network is committed to the heroic Zionist Jewish Israeli resistance against Palestinian neo-fascism. We proudly celebrate the 61st birthday of the holy state of Israel. Together with the holy Jewish people in Israel who today constitute the majority of the Jews in the entire world, we will never allow anti-Semites like you to harm holy Israel. We will hunt down and bring to justice the Palestinian war criminals and their supporters wherever they hide, just like the Nazis were hunted down and punished.

On the basis of the above evidence, it is my solemn duty to inform you that our Ecclesiastical Court has issued an edict inscribing you as a SLANDERER OF ZION and a TERRORIST COLLABORATOR.
This means that, ipso facto, you are an ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.
As a consequence, our disciples are now empowered to facilitate your removal  from your places of employment and association. 
To this end, an application will be made in London to have the Home Office revoke your passport for consorting with fronts for proscribed Middle East terrorists who practise violence against Israeli civilians. In addition, your social security, medical and pension benefits may be forfeited entirely and your bank accounts frozen.
 
In the meantime, we will proceed with the Justice Ministry in Israel to have you declared persona non grata in the Holy Land. 
 
The British and Israeli news media will be apprised of this edict, including your family and associates. 
 
Simultaneously, our disciples in Britain will be undertaking a close surveillance of your activities.

Your sentence is accompanied by the Old Testament verse found in Genesis 12:3 in which the Lord says of the Jews:
I will bless those who bless you
I will curse those that curse you
All the nations of the world
Shall be blessed through you.
May our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, Son of Mary, have mercy upon you.

You may wish to exercise your right to have this decree set aside. In such case, you are invited to submit a notarized affidavit renouncing your calumnies against the holy Jewish state, circulating a statement of support for the victory of the holy Jewish people in the Holy Land against their terrorist enemies to all your affiliated organizations and publishing it in the media, both online or offline, and paying our court costs of US $10,950.

These proceeds are transmitted diligently to the victims of Arab terror organizations in Israel for the rehabilitation of Jewish youngsters with mutilated and limbless bodies who were savagely bombed on board Israel&#039;s city buses and traumatized by the collective punishment inflicted by the indiscriminate mortar and rocket attacks on southern Israeli cities by your Palestinian Arab terrorist friends.

* His Eminence The Very Rev. Charles J. Edgbaston, D.D., Ph.D.
Chair, Christians for Moses Ministries Inc. and
Rector, Zion College of Canada
Penticton, B.C., Canada
* Author:
Christians and Jews Under Arab Apartheid Policies in Conquered Palestine
The Arab Usurpation of the Holy Land
Four Centuries of Arab Pogroms against Jews in Palestine
A History of Palestinian Arab War Crimes, 1920 - 2003
Mufti: The Nazi Collaboration of the Palestine Arabs (forthcoming)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Copied as sent (I promise! you couldn&#039;t make it up) and note the threats towards the end.  Anyone else had one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mulga &#8211; ref &#8216;priesthoods&#8217;. There&#8217;s a very dangerous one residing in BC Canada who is sending out these missives including this to a friend. Never mind the quality &#8211; feel the length!</p>
<p>CHRISTIANS FOR MOSES MINISTRIES </p>
<p>To:  (name deleted)</p>
<p>        NOTICE  OF JUDICIAL SENTENCE BY ECCLESIASTICAL COURT<br />
        Sir:</p>
<p>Reliable sources in the Anglican community have informed Christians for Moses Ministries that you are committing slander against the holy state of Israel and its holy Jewish people, singing the praises of Palestinian Islamic terrorists and committing an assorted variety of other related reactionary activities. Our disciples in London corroborate this news. This constitutes a disproportionate abuse of your Christian upbringing and calls into question your British residency.<br />
Review by our Investigations Department of the evidence submitted in your dossier clearly reveals that the views and activities you have adopted on behalf of the enemies of Israel are obscene and racist. Moreover, and more to the point, they are a gross provocation to the sensibilities of our 55,000 world-wide membership of devout Christians who are enraged by your deliberately stoking the fires of anti-Semitism in the public domain.<br />
We have also taken note that as 200 Darfur African Blacks are being daily slaughtered in the Arab Sudan, such that this Islamic-supported genocide has to date taken 350,000 lives and ethnically cleansed 2.5 million Blacks, you act as a stooge of the Palestinian Islamic terrorists, engaging in a demonization and negation of the holy Jewish people and their Zionist state.<br />
I want you to realize that your outrageous behaviour is unforgiveable. Zionist Israel is a revolutionary micro-state whose existence has permeated the world with universal morality.<br />
Today, Zionist Israel is surrounded by 21 backward Arab countries dominated by a jihadist, imperialist culture seeking Islamic hegemony over the Middle East and beyond. Along with the Hamas Gazan junta, these feudal Arab regimes daily repress their populations and incite them to support their quest for the genocide of Israel&#8217;s 6 million Jews. They have now been joined by the Persian imperialist Shiites of Iran and their Hezbollah Shiite lackeys in Lebanon in this goal.<br />
Your active support of these neo-fascists is a result of your absorption of a Judeophobic ideology which has brainwashed dysfunctional radicals such as yourself into supporting the ultra right- wing Islamic fundamentalists in the Holy Land and their terrorist masters in Damascus and Tehran as well as the criminal Fatah gang in Ramallah. This is utterly revolting. Especially since international Islamic finance capital bankrolls these feudal reactionaries. And more to the point, particularly since Islam is a religion founded on wars of colonial settler occupation.<br />
We have also found that you do not demonstrate any originality in your heinous assertions that the Arabs of the Land of Israel, who have conducted pogroms of extermination for four centuries against the indigenous Jews of the Holy Land, are victims rather than aggressors.<br />
This claim is a lie.<br />
You merely parrot the sacrosanct foundational mythology invented by the Arab League and recycled by the Palestinian Arab war criminals in Ramallah and Gaza.<br />
Everyone knows that the homeland of the Arabs of Palestine is Arabia. In 638 A.D. these imperialists invaded Palestine and stole by force the Holy Land from the aboriginal Jews tilling the soil there. In quick order, they installed the worst apartheid regime the world has ever known against Jews and Christians. Untold thousands of Jews were massacred in Safed, Tiberias, Hebron and Jerusalem over the centuries in a slow-motion genocide by these barbarians. The holy places of the Jews &#8212; the Tomb of Joseph in Nablus and the Shalom Synagogue in Jericho, the Tomb of Rachel in Efrat, the Tombs of the Sages in Tiberias, the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron, David&#8217;s Tomb on Mount Zion and the Temple Mount in Jerusalem &#8212; were desecrated by these Arab usurpers. </p>
<p>The Turkish and Syrian archives are overflowing with details of these genocidal massacres committed by the fellaheen Arabs and Bedouin of Palestine.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the remaining Jewish survivors, especially in Nablus, Gaza, Ramleh and Acre became the objects of a wholesale ethnic cleansing campaign until the Western Powers intervened on their behalf. Finally, with the collusion of the British imperialists after World War I, the Arabs were allowed to steal Eastern Palestine or 78 per cent of the country and rename it Trans-Jordan, leaving the Jews and the remaining Arabs in Western Palestine with 22 per cent. </p>
<p>In their war of aggression in 1948, the Arab Palestinian gangs and their fraternal  Arab invading armies from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Trans-Jordan and Iraq militarily sought 100 per cent of Palestine but were repulsed by the virtually unarmed, gallant and successful resistance fighters of the Hebrew working class and Yiddish Holocaust survivors. However, the terrorist Arabs&#8217; goal to this day remains a 100 per cent land grab of Palestine.</p>
<p>In addition, the brutal Arabs of the Holy Land convinced their brethren in the nearly two dozen other Arab countries to massacre and ethnically cleanse their lands of Jewish inhabitants who lived there before the Arabs ever came on the scene &#8212; nearly a million Jews were brutally tortured and expelled from their homes in Morocco, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Algeria, Tunisia, Lebanon, Libya, Iraq, and Bahrain. These refugees were never compensated and the right of return was denied to them. You never raised your voice against this ethnic cleansing tragedy. Where is your  conscience? Where are your objections? Where are your universal values? For shame!</p>
<p>You also failed to commemorate the most horrific nakba experienced by the Palestinian people at the hand of the Hashemite ruler in September 1970. At that time, 20,000 Palestinians in refugee camps were butchered by Jordanian tanks. You write and say nothing about this because you are afraid the powerful Palestine Lobby will destroy you. Such cowardice on your part!<br />
Our congregants visited Gaza, Nablus and Bethehem last year. They found their fellow Christians living under the apartheid policies of the Palestinian Muslim Arabs. Churches there for hundreds of years have been fire-bombed and torched while the YMCAs in Qalqilya and Gaza city were razed to the ground, all because of Pope Benedict&#8217;s speech. An overt campaign of ethnic cleansing and forced conversions of the Christian population under Palestinian Muslim Arab control is in full swing. All true humanists must stop this atavistic campaign and support the national liberation of the Palestinian Christians of Armenian, Arab, Copt, Greek, Latin and Ethiopian descent from the so-called Palestinian people.</p>
<p>For it is now abundantly clear to the entire world that Palestinianism is the insistence on an ethnically-exclusive state for ethnically-defined Arab Muslim people only. Palestinianism thrives only in alliance with the two Islamic imperialist powers &#8212; Iran and Syria.<br />
In light of the above, it is therefore concluded that the &#8220;facts&#8221; you adduce to justify the atrocities committed against the Jews of Israel by the maniacal Palestine Arabs are patent lies and malicious fabrications. The so-called Palestinian people are not enduring any brutal occupation but the Darfur Blacks are, followed by the Tibetans under China, the Tamils under Sri Lanka, Georgians and Chechens under Russia, Christians under the Palestinian Arabs, the Kurds under Turkey, the Basques under Spain, the Corsicans under France, the Lebanese Christians under Hezbollah, the Copts under Egypt and the Aborigines under Australia.</p>
<p>Israel, in fact, maintains no &#8220;occupation&#8221;. Under the Camp David Accords of 1979, it turned over the Sinai to Egypt, and under the 1993 Oslo Accords it handed over Judea, Samaria and the Gaza Strip to the Palestinian Authority. In 2007, the Palestinian Hamas murderers staged a coup and illegally occupied the Gaza Strip, demonstrating their naked power. The presence of Israeli soldiers in parts of Judea and Samaria is due to national security reasons related to Palestinian Arab suicide bombers. Under international law, a nation is allowed to invoke the rule of self-defence against foreign attackers. You ought to have known that had the Palestinian Authority and Hamas stopped the suicide bombers and rocket attacks against Israel, there would now be a full peace between the Palestinian Arabs and the Palestinian Jews.</p>
<p>Truly progressive forces the world over understand that, in the Koran, Allah and Muhammad stipulate the retrocession of the Land of Israel to the Jewish people through the assistance of righteous Muslims, in a Sura that the Palestinian Arabs wish to desperately hide. Why? Because they have been indoctrinated to become a key component of Islamic imperialism, which today is waging a global war to reconquer and recolonize the world it once occupied by the sword. This includes Spain and Eastern Russia. As a result, true progressives are duty-bound to vigorously support the international community&#8217;s boycott, divestment and sanctions campaign aimed at halting the Hamas junta&#8217;s continuing war crimes in Gaza and other international humanitarian law violations.</p>
<p>Every week on world television screens the Palestinan Arabs slaughter each other in the West Bank and Gaza with ambushes, roof-top lynchings, bombings of hospitals, raping of Christian nuns, theft of business property, hoarding of fuel and flour for resale, horrific and unimaginable cruelty against intellectuals, and confiscation of tax monies to pay for smuggled weapons of war. The Islamic Hamas ruling clique has tortured and incarcerated thousands of Palestinian women, children and young men without access to Red Crescent visitations. Gaza has been turned into a vast concentration camp by Hamas which is subsidized by the Hitlerists in Tehran.</p>
<p>The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights has documented the cruel exploitation and torture of children by the Hamas and Fatah gangs. Many are lured with bribes of money and visions of Paradise to become carriers of bomb vests fitted with nails and broken glass so that they can infiltrate Israel&#8217;s public squares. They then immolate themselves with their suicide bombs, massacring Israeli children in the process. Not a word has been written or uttered by you against this phantasmagoric orgy of death perpetrated by the brutal and satanic Palestinians.</p>
<p>Muslim conquerors in history subjected Jews and Christians to their humiliating Sharia apartheid laws known as the dhimma. The Fatimid Caliph Hakim burnt their holy places and forcibly converted them to Islam. Hamas and Hezbollah are bourgeois racist Islamic movements, which like fascism, stand for aggressive chauvinist aspirations. Iran is a Hitlerist nation. It has declared its objective of annihilating the Jews of Israel and establishing annual conferences of &#8220;experts&#8221; to deny the Holocaust of 6 million Jews. Only a deviant radical like you could support such war criminals who massively violate the Fourth Geneva Convention and its Protocols.</p>
<p>After Auschwitz and the numerous other concentration camps, no person on this earth is permitted to calumniate the holy Jewish people and their land with impunity. The holy Jewish people will never again be martyred by bestial fanatics wherever they may reside or whatever title they carry or whatever gender they proclaim. Persons like you that willingly prostitute themselves for Palestinian Arab terrorists and Islamic revanchism cannot escape responsibility for complicity in their war crimes.</p>
<p>The International Christian Zionist Solidarity Network is committed to the heroic Zionist Jewish Israeli resistance against Palestinian neo-fascism. We proudly celebrate the 61st birthday of the holy state of Israel. Together with the holy Jewish people in Israel who today constitute the majority of the Jews in the entire world, we will never allow anti-Semites like you to harm holy Israel. We will hunt down and bring to justice the Palestinian war criminals and their supporters wherever they hide, just like the Nazis were hunted down and punished.</p>
<p>On the basis of the above evidence, it is my solemn duty to inform you that our Ecclesiastical Court has issued an edict inscribing you as a SLANDERER OF ZION and a TERRORIST COLLABORATOR.<br />
This means that, ipso facto, you are an ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.<br />
As a consequence, our disciples are now empowered to facilitate your removal  from your places of employment and association.<br />
To this end, an application will be made in London to have the Home Office revoke your passport for consorting with fronts for proscribed Middle East terrorists who practise violence against Israeli civilians. In addition, your social security, medical and pension benefits may be forfeited entirely and your bank accounts frozen.</p>
<p>In the meantime, we will proceed with the Justice Ministry in Israel to have you declared persona non grata in the Holy Land. </p>
<p>The British and Israeli news media will be apprised of this edict, including your family and associates. </p>
<p>Simultaneously, our disciples in Britain will be undertaking a close surveillance of your activities.</p>
<p>Your sentence is accompanied by the Old Testament verse found in Genesis 12:3 in which the Lord says of the Jews:<br />
I will bless those who bless you<br />
I will curse those that curse you<br />
All the nations of the world<br />
Shall be blessed through you.<br />
May our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, Son of Mary, have mercy upon you.</p>
<p>You may wish to exercise your right to have this decree set aside. In such case, you are invited to submit a notarized affidavit renouncing your calumnies against the holy Jewish state, circulating a statement of support for the victory of the holy Jewish people in the Holy Land against their terrorist enemies to all your affiliated organizations and publishing it in the media, both online or offline, and paying our court costs of US $10,950.</p>
<p>These proceeds are transmitted diligently to the victims of Arab terror organizations in Israel for the rehabilitation of Jewish youngsters with mutilated and limbless bodies who were savagely bombed on board Israel&#8217;s city buses and traumatized by the collective punishment inflicted by the indiscriminate mortar and rocket attacks on southern Israeli cities by your Palestinian Arab terrorist friends.</p>
<p>* His Eminence The Very Rev. Charles J. Edgbaston, D.D., Ph.D.<br />
Chair, Christians for Moses Ministries Inc. and<br />
Rector, Zion College of Canada<br />
Penticton, B.C., Canada<br />
* Author:<br />
Christians and Jews Under Arab Apartheid Policies in Conquered Palestine<br />
The Arab Usurpation of the Holy Land<br />
Four Centuries of Arab Pogroms against Jews in Palestine<br />
A History of Palestinian Arab War Crimes, 1920 &#8211; 2003<br />
Mufti: The Nazi Collaboration of the Palestine Arabs (forthcoming)<br />
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</p>
<p>Copied as sent (I promise! you couldn&#8217;t make it up) and note the threats towards the end.  Anyone else had one?</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas vancouver</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/a-story-of-betrayal/#comment-56412</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas vancouver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ladysmith,
We are notorious for not learning from commands; yet also notorious for obeying them. Soldiers and pious people obey orders by commanding officers and priests w.o. a fleeting thought.
And if one instantly obeys, one does not think and thus does not learn.
I am using the word &quot;learn&quot; in its full symbolic value which means such a word is undefinable. It just is. And each person has an apsolute right to understand it as s/he understands it!

This is a very interesting point. For if people knew that, they wld not ask priests or pols for &#039;explanations&#039;.

Bible is full of commands, promises, and other wishful thinking. And injurious statements by far outnumber sensible ones.
Eg, thou [a hebrew] shall have servants but  will not serve nonhebrews.
Tho shall lend money and not borrough it.
Ye shall be light onto the world. Ye must not have other gods. Ye shall kill anyone who says there is no god. Thou shall kill all cananites, etc.

Even jesus has been quotes as saying that, Ye shall always have poor among u. No god wld have said this. The rich and superich rejoice over that utterance.
Meek shall inherit the earth. Tell that to starving/maimed/chidren in palestine iraq, and afgh&#039;n!
Jesus may have also said, I came to uphlod the law and prophets. Which means he approbated killings of canaanites and welcomes present killings of palestinians. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ladysmith,<br />
We are notorious for not learning from commands; yet also notorious for obeying them. Soldiers and pious people obey orders by commanding officers and priests w.o. a fleeting thought.<br />
And if one instantly obeys, one does not think and thus does not learn.<br />
I am using the word &#8220;learn&#8221; in its full symbolic value which means such a word is undefinable. It just is. And each person has an apsolute right to understand it as s/he understands it!</p>
<p>This is a very interesting point. For if people knew that, they wld not ask priests or pols for &#8216;explanations&#8217;.</p>
<p>Bible is full of commands, promises, and other wishful thinking. And injurious statements by far outnumber sensible ones.<br />
Eg, thou [a hebrew] shall have servants but  will not serve nonhebrews.<br />
Tho shall lend money and not borrough it.<br />
Ye shall be light onto the world. Ye must not have other gods. Ye shall kill anyone who says there is no god. Thou shall kill all cananites, etc.</p>
<p>Even jesus has been quotes as saying that, Ye shall always have poor among u. No god wld have said this. The rich and superich rejoice over that utterance.<br />
Meek shall inherit the earth. Tell that to starving/maimed/chidren in palestine iraq, and afgh&#8217;n!<br />
Jesus may have also said, I came to uphlod the law and prophets. Which means he approbated killings of canaanites and welcomes present killings of palestinians. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas vancouver</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>calling s&#039;mone a &quot;scholar&quot; doesnt prove that that s&#039;mone is a serious and well-meaning observer.
In fact, anyone evaluating that any god exists out there s&#039;mwhere and not in his/her head, is very perilous person to self and others.
Projecting one&#039;s  &#039;god&#039;s&#039;  commands onto impious and other pious people
appears the worst thing one can do.
If this wasn&#039;t bad enough, most or all of these delusional people even know what gods say.
Is it any wonder that christians hate/kill christians and muslims; muslims hate/kill muslims and christians while talmudniks kill christians and muslims.
And even worse news is, this may go on forever!  Some scholars! Some teachings! tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>calling s&#8217;mone a &#8220;scholar&#8221; doesnt prove that that s&#8217;mone is a serious and well-meaning observer.<br />
In fact, anyone evaluating that any god exists out there s&#8217;mwhere and not in his/her head, is very perilous person to self and others.<br />
Projecting one&#8217;s  &#8216;god&#8217;s&#8217;  commands onto impious and other pious people<br />
appears the worst thing one can do.<br />
If this wasn&#8217;t bad enough, most or all of these delusional people even know what gods say.<br />
Is it any wonder that christians hate/kill christians and muslims; muslims hate/kill muslims and christians while talmudniks kill christians and muslims.<br />
And even worse news is, this may go on forever!  Some scholars! Some teachings! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: b99</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Sid - your point would be that because there are people - even important people - in the Muslim world that hate Jews it follows that Israel is entitled to all of Palestine - and that the Palestinians (a nation, not a religion) should remove themselves from the region?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Sid &#8211; your point would be that because there are people &#8211; even important people &#8211; in the Muslim world that hate Jews it follows that Israel is entitled to all of Palestine &#8211; and that the Palestinians (a nation, not a religion) should remove themselves from the region?</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, sid, what&#039;s your point? Obviously some Islamic scholars, just like some Rabbis, Torah Sages and &#039;Christian ministers&#039; are nasty lunatics. I could bore you senseless with similar craziness from Judaic extremists, calling for the extermination of the Palestinians, the Arabs, even the USA, as the Amalekites, God&#039;s great enemy, who the Jews have a religious obligation to exterminate to the last babe in arms. I suppose you are quoting this detestable lunacy as some sort of excuse or exculpation for the dispossession, ethnic cleansing and mass murder of the Palestinians. If so you are a moral imbecile. If not, and are just drawing our attention to one of the lunatic doctrines of the monotheistic religious delusions, then I simply don&#039;t see the point. As far as I&#039;m concerned all the patriarchal monotheisms are psychic diseases, with some fine doctrines, and myriad odious ones. I find the various &#039;priesthoods&#039; , in particular, singularly unpleasant and dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, sid, what&#8217;s your point? Obviously some Islamic scholars, just like some Rabbis, Torah Sages and &#8216;Christian ministers&#8217; are nasty lunatics. I could bore you senseless with similar craziness from Judaic extremists, calling for the extermination of the Palestinians, the Arabs, even the USA, as the Amalekites, God&#8217;s great enemy, who the Jews have a religious obligation to exterminate to the last babe in arms. I suppose you are quoting this detestable lunacy as some sort of excuse or exculpation for the dispossession, ethnic cleansing and mass murder of the Palestinians. If so you are a moral imbecile. If not, and are just drawing our attention to one of the lunatic doctrines of the monotheistic religious delusions, then I simply don&#8217;t see the point. As far as I&#8217;m concerned all the patriarchal monotheisms are psychic diseases, with some fine doctrines, and myriad odious ones. I find the various &#8216;priesthoods&#8217; , in particular, singularly unpleasant and dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: sid wright</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/a-story-of-betrayal/#comment-56403</link>
		<dc:creator>sid wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so now you know

All pigs must die
because they descend from Jews:
According to Egyptian Islamic scholar

All pigs alive today are descendants of the Jews who were turned into pigs by Allah, according to a senior Egyptian religious leader. Since all pigs are descendants of Jews, it is obligatory to kill all pigs, says Sheikh Ahmed Ali Othman. 

Presumably if pigs were merely animals, they would not face destruction. It is their Jewish ancestry that condemns them to death. 

The Jordanian newspaper Al-Hakika al-Dawliya adds that this is not the only opinion. It cites Sheikh Ali Abu Al-Hassan, head of the Fatwa Committee at Al-Azhar [Sunni Islamic university], who believes that all the Jews who were turned into pigs by Allah died out without reproducing, and therefore there is no relationship between today&#039;s pigs and Jews.

The following is the transcript from Al-Moheet Arab News Network: 

&quot;CAIRO -- Sheikh Ahmed Ali Othman, supervisor of the Da&#039;awa [Islamic Indoctrination] of the Egyptian Waqf [Islamic Holy places], has issued a Religious Ruling (Fatwa) that pigs in our time have their origins in Jews who angered Allah, such that He turned them into monkeys, pigs, and Satan-worshippers, and it is obligatory to kill and slaughter them [the pigs]. 

Othman based his ruling on the respected Quranic verse, &#039;Say [to the People of the Book - Jews and Christians], Come and I shall make known to you who receives the worst retribution of all from Allah: those whom Allah has cursed and upon whom He has poured His wrath, whom He has made into monkeys and pigs, and who have served abominations. Their place is worst of all, and their deviation is the greatest of all...&#039; (Quran, sura 5, verse 60) 

Sheikh Othman noted that this verse concerning the nation of the prophet Moses descended [from Allah to the Quran], and the books of commentary confirm this. There are two opinions among the Ulama [Islamic scholars] in this regard: The first is that the Jews, whom Allah transformed and turned into pigs, remained in that state until they died, without producing descendants. The other opinion is that the Jews who turned into pigs multiplied and produced descendants, and their line continues to this day. Sheikh Othman also cited Hadiths (traditions attributed to Muhammad) as support... 

The Jordanian newspaper Al-Hakika al-Dawliya quoted Othman: &quot;I personally tend towards the view that the pigs that exist now have their origins with the Jews, and therefore their consumption is forbidden in the words of Allah: &#039;A carcass, and blood, and the flesh of a pig are forbidden to you....&#039; Moreover, our master Jesus, peace be unto him - one of the tasks that he will fulfill when he descends to earth is the killing of the pigs, and this is proof that their source is Jewish. 

Sheikh Othman said that whoever eats pig, it&#039;s as if he ate meat of an impure person, and stressed that this Religious Ruling is backed by the Islamic Sages of Al Azhar, but they are afraid to say this publically... so the Sages won&#039;t be accused of Anti-Semitism. 

Sheikh Ali Abu Al-Hassan, head of the Fatwa Committee at Al-Azhar [Sunni Islamic university], said that the first view is accurate, because when Allah punishes a group of people he punishes only them. When Allah grew angry with the nation of Moses, He turned them into pigs and monkeys as an extraordinary punishment... but they died out without leaving descendants.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so now you know</p>
<p>All pigs must die<br />
because they descend from Jews:<br />
According to Egyptian Islamic scholar</p>
<p>All pigs alive today are descendants of the Jews who were turned into pigs by Allah, according to a senior Egyptian religious leader. Since all pigs are descendants of Jews, it is obligatory to kill all pigs, says Sheikh Ahmed Ali Othman. </p>
<p>Presumably if pigs were merely animals, they would not face destruction. It is their Jewish ancestry that condemns them to death. </p>
<p>The Jordanian newspaper Al-Hakika al-Dawliya adds that this is not the only opinion. It cites Sheikh Ali Abu Al-Hassan, head of the Fatwa Committee at Al-Azhar [Sunni Islamic university], who believes that all the Jews who were turned into pigs by Allah died out without reproducing, and therefore there is no relationship between today&#8217;s pigs and Jews.</p>
<p>The following is the transcript from Al-Moheet Arab News Network: </p>
<p>&#8220;CAIRO &#8212; Sheikh Ahmed Ali Othman, supervisor of the Da&#8217;awa [Islamic Indoctrination] of the Egyptian Waqf [Islamic Holy places], has issued a Religious Ruling (Fatwa) that pigs in our time have their origins in Jews who angered Allah, such that He turned them into monkeys, pigs, and Satan-worshippers, and it is obligatory to kill and slaughter them [the pigs]. </p>
<p>Othman based his ruling on the respected Quranic verse, &#8216;Say [to the People of the Book - Jews and Christians], Come and I shall make known to you who receives the worst retribution of all from Allah: those whom Allah has cursed and upon whom He has poured His wrath, whom He has made into monkeys and pigs, and who have served abominations. Their place is worst of all, and their deviation is the greatest of all&#8230;&#8217; (Quran, sura 5, verse 60) </p>
<p>Sheikh Othman noted that this verse concerning the nation of the prophet Moses descended [from Allah to the Quran], and the books of commentary confirm this. There are two opinions among the Ulama [Islamic scholars] in this regard: The first is that the Jews, whom Allah transformed and turned into pigs, remained in that state until they died, without producing descendants. The other opinion is that the Jews who turned into pigs multiplied and produced descendants, and their line continues to this day. Sheikh Othman also cited Hadiths (traditions attributed to Muhammad) as support&#8230; </p>
<p>The Jordanian newspaper Al-Hakika al-Dawliya quoted Othman: &#8220;I personally tend towards the view that the pigs that exist now have their origins with the Jews, and therefore their consumption is forbidden in the words of Allah: &#8216;A carcass, and blood, and the flesh of a pig are forbidden to you&#8230;.&#8217; Moreover, our master Jesus, peace be unto him &#8211; one of the tasks that he will fulfill when he descends to earth is the killing of the pigs, and this is proof that their source is Jewish. </p>
<p>Sheikh Othman said that whoever eats pig, it&#8217;s as if he ate meat of an impure person, and stressed that this Religious Ruling is backed by the Islamic Sages of Al Azhar, but they are afraid to say this publically&#8230; so the Sages won&#8217;t be accused of Anti-Semitism. </p>
<p>Sheikh Ali Abu Al-Hassan, head of the Fatwa Committee at Al-Azhar [Sunni Islamic university], said that the first view is accurate, because when Allah punishes a group of people he punishes only them. When Allah grew angry with the nation of Moses, He turned them into pigs and monkeys as an extraordinary punishment&#8230; but they died out without leaving descendants.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Watson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/a-story-of-betrayal/#comment-56388</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mulga Mumblebrain said on October 4th, 2009 at 4:48pm #

....As for ‘Jew-hatred’, this is invariably a smear, meant to silence and intimidate, emanating from a virulent Islamophobe of some type-you know the sort of creep who defends Israel’s brutish levelling of Gaza and the one hundred to one death-toll inflicted there, as a fully equipped modern military apparatus slaughtered defenceless civilioans. The Zionazi fundies, of course, welcome ‘Jew-hatred’ and do everything they can, through their thuggish arrogance, open contempt for the rest of humanity, and murderous brutality, to foster it. ‘Jew-hatred’ is useful cement, I think the Nazis talked of ‘blood-cement’, to bind Jewry together in the task of establishing Eretz Yisrael by stealing the land of others and ethnically cleansing them. Labelling decent world opinion, repulsed by Israeli brutality, duplicity and arrogant assertion, as mere ‘Jew-hatred’ is contemptible, mendacious and simply wicked, but it works every time. As an unabashed admirer of decent Jews, of Einstein, the Menuhins, Oistrakh, Noam Chomsky, and, above all, Karl Marx and the other Marx Brothers, the accusation of ‘Jew-hatred’ is simply mirth-inducing. Even the Jews who act in frankly evil manner, in pursuit of the Zionist empire in Eretz Yisrael, I feel far more contempt for than hatred. I’d love to see many of them arraigned for their crimes against humanity, but most of all I’d love to see them just stop, cease desecrating international humanitarian law and finish with the child-murder. That’s my dearest wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mulga Mumblebrain said on October 4th, 2009 at 4:48pm #</p>
<p>&#8230;.As for ‘Jew-hatred’, this is invariably a smear, meant to silence and intimidate, emanating from a virulent Islamophobe of some type-you know the sort of creep who defends Israel’s brutish levelling of Gaza and the one hundred to one death-toll inflicted there, as a fully equipped modern military apparatus slaughtered defenceless civilioans. The Zionazi fundies, of course, welcome ‘Jew-hatred’ and do everything they can, through their thuggish arrogance, open contempt for the rest of humanity, and murderous brutality, to foster it. ‘Jew-hatred’ is useful cement, I think the Nazis talked of ‘blood-cement’, to bind Jewry together in the task of establishing Eretz Yisrael by stealing the land of others and ethnically cleansing them. Labelling decent world opinion, repulsed by Israeli brutality, duplicity and arrogant assertion, as mere ‘Jew-hatred’ is contemptible, mendacious and simply wicked, but it works every time. As an unabashed admirer of decent Jews, of Einstein, the Menuhins, Oistrakh, Noam Chomsky, and, above all, Karl Marx and the other Marx Brothers, the accusation of ‘Jew-hatred’ is simply mirth-inducing. Even the Jews who act in frankly evil manner, in pursuit of the Zionist empire in Eretz Yisrael, I feel far more contempt for than hatred. I’d love to see many of them arraigned for their crimes against humanity, but most of all I’d love to see them just stop, cease desecrating international humanitarian law and finish with the child-murder. That’s my dearest wish.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Ladysmith</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/a-story-of-betrayal/#comment-56386</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie Ladysmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SOCIALISM/SALVATION/USA-GUY WHERE DID YOU GO!  COME BACK!  I MISS YOUR BIG LETTERS!  I&#039;M SORRY I CALLED YOU A FAT WOMAN.  PLEASSSSE COME BACK!  i respect that you are fighting for socialism, we do not all see things the same way, that makes it interesting.  WRITE SOON!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SOCIALISM/SALVATION/USA-GUY WHERE DID YOU GO!  COME BACK!  I MISS YOUR BIG LETTERS!  I&#8217;M SORRY I CALLED YOU A FAT WOMAN.  PLEASSSSE COME BACK!  i respect that you are fighting for socialism, we do not all see things the same way, that makes it interesting.  WRITE SOON!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Ladysmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Ladysmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah! Watson, you are such a ignoramous i would not normally respond to such drivel, however, since you havn&#039;t a clue about what is in the Bible i&#039;ll just keep the list very short.  Please understand i do not want to discuss this further with a person of your willful immature ignorance.

Old Test:  1)  treat the strangers among you as you would yourselves, remembering that you were once slaves in Egypt.
2)  What is required of you is to take care of widows and orphans and treat each other fairly with honest business practices (weights and measures).   These are the sacrifices that count.  3)  He who seeks good, finds goodwill.

New Test:  1)  Bless those that curse you and do good to those who use and mistreat you.  2)  Love God, and love your neighbor as you do yourself, all the commandments are summed up in this.  3)  Abba, forgive them, they do not in any way understand what they do.

You might consider that you have a nesting cluster within your mind that prevents you from rational understanding of Biblical truths.  It is from evil entities who are interdimensional and you may be rendered lobotomized, or soul-scalped, by these clusters.  If you react with undue rage to this, that would certainly be a symptom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah! Watson, you are such a ignoramous i would not normally respond to such drivel, however, since you havn&#8217;t a clue about what is in the Bible i&#8217;ll just keep the list very short.  Please understand i do not want to discuss this further with a person of your willful immature ignorance.</p>
<p>Old Test:  1)  treat the strangers among you as you would yourselves, remembering that you were once slaves in Egypt.<br />
2)  What is required of you is to take care of widows and orphans and treat each other fairly with honest business practices (weights and measures).   These are the sacrifices that count.  3)  He who seeks good, finds goodwill.</p>
<p>New Test:  1)  Bless those that curse you and do good to those who use and mistreat you.  2)  Love God, and love your neighbor as you do yourself, all the commandments are summed up in this.  3)  Abba, forgive them, they do not in any way understand what they do.</p>
<p>You might consider that you have a nesting cluster within your mind that prevents you from rational understanding of Biblical truths.  It is from evil entities who are interdimensional and you may be rendered lobotomized, or soul-scalped, by these clusters.  If you react with undue rage to this, that would certainly be a symptom.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Watson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/a-story-of-betrayal/#comment-56378</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mulga Mumblebrain said on October 3rd, 2009 at 3:32pm #
I think Uri Avnery has written a fine piece. He clearly outlines the vicious, racist double-standard of the Judaic Reich, and the manner in which the bought and sold vermin of the Western political establishment have adopted it word for word. It is the same in Australia. The media is dominated by a Likudnik mentality, the political parties fall over themselves to defend Israel, no matter how vile its crimes, and little snippets of useful information, such as the revelation that half our ten richest family fortunes are controlled by Jews (1% of the population), ‘generous political contributors’ all, goes unmentioned, ever........

....That Western leaders can join this evil racist crusade, that values one Jew above thousands of faceless, nameless, Palestinian untermenschen, whose illegal arrests, illegal imprisonments and torture, absolutely universal in the hell-holes of Israeli prisons, shows that the diabolical poison of Zionazi racism has now infested the Western power elite universally. Israel is a cancer, and its infernal metastases have spread throughout the West, presaging an era of wars of mass murder and sheer xenophobic hatred. We have all been compulsorily recruited to the Judaic war against the Islamic world, where women, children and old men may be brutalised, starved, driven mad by years of savage mistreatment before being barbecued with white phosphorus, and these victims are to be abused as ‘terrorists’ while the pitiless, racist, killers are worshipped as paragons of every virtue.

Here is an interesting take on zionism and Chomsky.

 PHISHNA

http://www.therebel.org/opinion/race/the_center_of_the_matrix_2009091546054/
	
The Center of the Matrix



How did this all start?

Imagine a religion born of hate. Imagine that this hatred was so intense that it followed humanity through time and still is affecting the world today. Imagine that this hate was codified into religious law and became the basis of our reality today. That religion is Judaism, the most hateful memeplex every invented by the human mind.

In a nutshell, Judaism is a tribal code of hate toward all other tribes, it is hate for that which is outside of itself.

Hate is the result of one thing and only one thing: the loss of control either real or imagined. If you really think about what hate actually is, it is the perception of loss of control.

The emotion of hatred is also based on fear, it is fear expressed. War is this mind fear expressed into the physical realm. The reason that the world is so preoccupied with war is that Jews dominate the mental planes. The Jew money machine and the wars waged to prop it up are second order results of the Jewish &quot;spirit&quot; of hate codified into law. Even the unconstitutional war in Iraq is &quot;legal&quot; under our current mindspell.

We might have been taught that murder is immoral and against god&#039;s commandments, but the truth is we love war because of our mindset. War is our anger expressed, so what is causing this anger, what is making us so angry and hateful that we are willing to spend our time waging war? Good question, to find the answer go find a happy person who was not taught the Bible.

We can also say unequivocally that hate is the opposite of love. The emotion of hatred is the starting point of Judaism and the devil is in the details.

Hatred toward an individual or hatred toward a rival tribe was later expressed as hatred toward rival nation states. Like any memeplex, Judaism keeps evolving toward more perfect hate, that&#039;s why post Torah holy books like the Talmud and Protocols are more and more radical. Some say the Protocols are a forgery, but the truth about the Jews is how the Jews behave right now toward the Palestinians and how they treat America, exactly like the code in the Protocols.

Hate and fear share the same bed. If one fears and hates then obsession to control becomes a logical expression that emotion. As the tribe spread out across the planet they tried to control everything, the Jews more than any other group are control freaks. Thus Jews seek money and political power so as to control others because of their intense fear of persecution. But this leads to a self feedback loop of persecution of the would be controllers, who persecute those in the lands the Jews control. The rival population is then forced to deal with the Jewish occupiers by either expelling or killing them probably primarily in economic downturns. This phenomenon is happening again, every day thousands and thousands of more people want the Jews dead. Only a fool doesn&#039;t see where this is going, the Jews are going to ratchet up control and the peoples of the world are going to react by exterminating the Jews.

The Jewish holy books reflect the tribe&#039;s emotions, because writing is a reflection of one&#039;s spirit, Jewish writings reflect this fear and hate. The Jewish holy books are collection of vengeful memes to control and manipulated people outside of their tribe, that is, everyone who isn&#039;t born a Jew. So as Judaism evolved, diabolical control of rival tribes became inevitable. That lead to the present moment where 4,000 years of Judaism is now controlling and destroying American liberty. Old time religion is making a comeback.

Later still, the &quot;terminator&quot; religion Zionism arose out of the ashes of many self deceptions. The Jews refuse to see that they are the cause of their own suffering, that programmed hate leads to certain consequences, that denial is not the road to self healing. Zionism is the final &quot;end times&quot; insane expression of Jewish supremacism and hate. With Zionism, Judaism flowers into its logical conclusion, a fascist political movement that spreads death over the entire planet.

So to blame only Zionism is really short sighted and foolish. Yet this is what so many commentators do, they limit the perception to Zionism or corporatism. Left wing gate keepers like Noam Chomsky blames corporations yet fails to connect that the corrupt American corporations are owned by Jews and that the policies are constructed in accordance to the Jews master plan of total domination. Chomsky describes the problem totally outside Jewish financial domination, as if you could separate the two....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mulga Mumblebrain said on October 3rd, 2009 at 3:32pm #<br />
I think Uri Avnery has written a fine piece. He clearly outlines the vicious, racist double-standard of the Judaic Reich, and the manner in which the bought and sold vermin of the Western political establishment have adopted it word for word. It is the same in Australia. The media is dominated by a Likudnik mentality, the political parties fall over themselves to defend Israel, no matter how vile its crimes, and little snippets of useful information, such as the revelation that half our ten richest family fortunes are controlled by Jews (1% of the population), ‘generous political contributors’ all, goes unmentioned, ever&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8230;.That Western leaders can join this evil racist crusade, that values one Jew above thousands of faceless, nameless, Palestinian untermenschen, whose illegal arrests, illegal imprisonments and torture, absolutely universal in the hell-holes of Israeli prisons, shows that the diabolical poison of Zionazi racism has now infested the Western power elite universally. Israel is a cancer, and its infernal metastases have spread throughout the West, presaging an era of wars of mass murder and sheer xenophobic hatred. We have all been compulsorily recruited to the Judaic war against the Islamic world, where women, children and old men may be brutalised, starved, driven mad by years of savage mistreatment before being barbecued with white phosphorus, and these victims are to be abused as ‘terrorists’ while the pitiless, racist, killers are worshipped as paragons of every virtue.</p>
<p>Here is an interesting take on zionism and Chomsky.</p>
<p> PHISHNA</p>
<p><a href="http://www.therebel.org/opinion/race/the_center_of_the_matrix_2009091546054/" rel="nofollow">http://www.therebel.org/opinion/race/the_center_of_the_matrix_2009091546054/</a></p>
<p>The Center of the Matrix</p>
<p>How did this all start?</p>
<p>Imagine a religion born of hate. Imagine that this hatred was so intense that it followed humanity through time and still is affecting the world today. Imagine that this hate was codified into religious law and became the basis of our reality today. That religion is Judaism, the most hateful memeplex every invented by the human mind.</p>
<p>In a nutshell, Judaism is a tribal code of hate toward all other tribes, it is hate for that which is outside of itself.</p>
<p>Hate is the result of one thing and only one thing: the loss of control either real or imagined. If you really think about what hate actually is, it is the perception of loss of control.</p>
<p>The emotion of hatred is also based on fear, it is fear expressed. War is this mind fear expressed into the physical realm. The reason that the world is so preoccupied with war is that Jews dominate the mental planes. The Jew money machine and the wars waged to prop it up are second order results of the Jewish &#8220;spirit&#8221; of hate codified into law. Even the unconstitutional war in Iraq is &#8220;legal&#8221; under our current mindspell.</p>
<p>We might have been taught that murder is immoral and against god&#8217;s commandments, but the truth is we love war because of our mindset. War is our anger expressed, so what is causing this anger, what is making us so angry and hateful that we are willing to spend our time waging war? Good question, to find the answer go find a happy person who was not taught the Bible.</p>
<p>We can also say unequivocally that hate is the opposite of love. The emotion of hatred is the starting point of Judaism and the devil is in the details.</p>
<p>Hatred toward an individual or hatred toward a rival tribe was later expressed as hatred toward rival nation states. Like any memeplex, Judaism keeps evolving toward more perfect hate, that&#8217;s why post Torah holy books like the Talmud and Protocols are more and more radical. Some say the Protocols are a forgery, but the truth about the Jews is how the Jews behave right now toward the Palestinians and how they treat America, exactly like the code in the Protocols.</p>
<p>Hate and fear share the same bed. If one fears and hates then obsession to control becomes a logical expression that emotion. As the tribe spread out across the planet they tried to control everything, the Jews more than any other group are control freaks. Thus Jews seek money and political power so as to control others because of their intense fear of persecution. But this leads to a self feedback loop of persecution of the would be controllers, who persecute those in the lands the Jews control. The rival population is then forced to deal with the Jewish occupiers by either expelling or killing them probably primarily in economic downturns. This phenomenon is happening again, every day thousands and thousands of more people want the Jews dead. Only a fool doesn&#8217;t see where this is going, the Jews are going to ratchet up control and the peoples of the world are going to react by exterminating the Jews.</p>
<p>The Jewish holy books reflect the tribe&#8217;s emotions, because writing is a reflection of one&#8217;s spirit, Jewish writings reflect this fear and hate. The Jewish holy books are collection of vengeful memes to control and manipulated people outside of their tribe, that is, everyone who isn&#8217;t born a Jew. So as Judaism evolved, diabolical control of rival tribes became inevitable. That lead to the present moment where 4,000 years of Judaism is now controlling and destroying American liberty. Old time religion is making a comeback.</p>
<p>Later still, the &#8220;terminator&#8221; religion Zionism arose out of the ashes of many self deceptions. The Jews refuse to see that they are the cause of their own suffering, that programmed hate leads to certain consequences, that denial is not the road to self healing. Zionism is the final &#8220;end times&#8221; insane expression of Jewish supremacism and hate. With Zionism, Judaism flowers into its logical conclusion, a fascist political movement that spreads death over the entire planet.</p>
<p>So to blame only Zionism is really short sighted and foolish. Yet this is what so many commentators do, they limit the perception to Zionism or corporatism. Left wing gate keepers like Noam Chomsky blames corporations yet fails to connect that the corrupt American corporations are owned by Jews and that the policies are constructed in accordance to the Jews master plan of total domination. Chomsky describes the problem totally outside Jewish financial domination, as if you could separate the two&#8230;.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who &#039;defend&#039; [one actually cannot defend israel] israel are treating us as precribed by their &#039;holy&#039; books and reveal to us jewstorical record.
Lucky for us, the record appears solely jewstorical narrative.
Folks, rejoice! Jewstorical record appears respected or believed by ab. 5mn people out of near seven bn. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who &#8216;defend&#8217; [one actually cannot defend israel] israel are treating us as precribed by their &#8216;holy&#8217; books and reveal to us jewstorical record.<br />
Lucky for us, the record appears solely jewstorical narrative.<br />
Folks, rejoice! Jewstorical record appears respected or believed by ab. 5mn people out of near seven bn. tnx</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,
U cld be right about 99.99 of us having effectively zero politico-military power in almost all lands and not just in US.
The final solution [or it seesm final] has been achieved in US 400 yrs ago.
The  astounding [or shocking]  achievement appear to have been obtained only per two factors:  an interpretative writ that nobody understands, called constitution and the establishement of a branch of governance called supreme court.
All writs are interpretative and not just constitutions. This includes mein kampf, bible, quran, communist manifesto of 1848.

According to some thinkers or even scientists, the meaning of any inferrential statement; such as a promise, accusation, condemnation, law, etc., is not in the words nor statements but in people.

That&#039;s the key: the meanings [intent, aim, goal] is in the body-minds of the people who wrote those statements. And if we live forever, we cannot determine or ever know what they meant.
We can only conclude what the writers of any constittution meant, but never ever know.
Having this in mind, one cld write thousands of constitutions, but if dick, tom, and  harry interpret it and not 250mn americans, one get&#039;s what one get&#039;s in US: near-total enserfment of at least 99.99% of people. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,<br />
U cld be right about 99.99 of us having effectively zero politico-military power in almost all lands and not just in US.<br />
The final solution [or it seesm final] has been achieved in US 400 yrs ago.<br />
The  astounding [or shocking]  achievement appear to have been obtained only per two factors:  an interpretative writ that nobody understands, called constitution and the establishement of a branch of governance called supreme court.<br />
All writs are interpretative and not just constitutions. This includes mein kampf, bible, quran, communist manifesto of 1848.</p>
<p>According to some thinkers or even scientists, the meaning of any inferrential statement; such as a promise, accusation, condemnation, law, etc., is not in the words nor statements but in people.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the key: the meanings [intent, aim, goal] is in the body-minds of the people who wrote those statements. And if we live forever, we cannot determine or ever know what they meant.<br />
We can only conclude what the writers of any constittution meant, but never ever know.<br />
Having this in mind, one cld write thousands of constitutions, but if dick, tom, and  harry interpret it and not 250mn americans, one get&#8217;s what one get&#8217;s in US: near-total enserfment of at least 99.99% of people. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B99, sid and danny are just smearers-its  what their type do best, although danny adds a little touch of militaristic bombast as well. Actually Danny, the &#039;Barak Armoured Brigade&#039; neither impress nor intimidate me. I just think that they ought to leave off attacking defenceless civilians, the IDF and the US armed forces&#039; real speciality. I don&#039;t think you&#039;d be quite so quick with the braggart strutting if the enemy was as well equipped, but there&#039;s nothing the US or Israeli military hate more than a fair fight. Just look how well the Talib are doing, not to mention Hezbollah in 2006. If only they had an air-force too, I reckon that the US military would be scuttling home,pronto.
                        As for &#039;Jew-hatred&#039;, this is invariably a smear, meant to silence and intimidate, emanating from a virulent Islamophobe of some type-you know the sort of creep who defends Israel&#039;s brutish levelling of Gaza and the one hundred to one death-toll inflicted there, as a fully equipped modern military apparatus slaughtered defenceless civilioans. The Zionazi fundies, of course, welcome &#039;Jew-hatred&#039; and do everything they can, through their thuggish arrogance, open contempt for the rest of humanity, and murderous brutality, to foster it. &#039;Jew-hatred&#039; is useful cement, I think the Nazis talked of &#039;blood-cement&#039;, to bind Jewry together in the task of establishing Eretz Yisrael by stealing the land of others and ethnically cleansing them. Labelling decent world opinion, repulsed by Israeli brutality, duplicity and arrogant assertion, as mere &#039;Jew-hatred&#039; is contemptible, mendacious and simply wicked, but it works every time. As an unabashed admirer of decent Jews, of Einstein, the Menuhins, Oistrakh,  Noam Chomsky, and, above all, Karl Marx and the other Marx Brothers, the accusation of &#039;Jew-hatred&#039; is simply mirth-inducing. Even the Jews who act in frankly evil manner, in pursuit of the Zionist empire in Eretz Yisrael, I feel far more contempt for than hatred. I&#039;d love to see many of them arraigned for their crimes against humanity, but most of all I&#039;d love to see them just stop, cease desecrating international humanitarian law and finish with the child-murder. That&#039;s my dearest wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B99, sid and danny are just smearers-its  what their type do best, although danny adds a little touch of militaristic bombast as well. Actually Danny, the &#8216;Barak Armoured Brigade&#8217; neither impress nor intimidate me. I just think that they ought to leave off attacking defenceless civilians, the IDF and the US armed forces&#8217; real speciality. I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d be quite so quick with the braggart strutting if the enemy was as well equipped, but there&#8217;s nothing the US or Israeli military hate more than a fair fight. Just look how well the Talib are doing, not to mention Hezbollah in 2006. If only they had an air-force too, I reckon that the US military would be scuttling home,pronto.<br />
                        As for &#8216;Jew-hatred&#8217;, this is invariably a smear, meant to silence and intimidate, emanating from a virulent Islamophobe of some type-you know the sort of creep who defends Israel&#8217;s brutish levelling of Gaza and the one hundred to one death-toll inflicted there, as a fully equipped modern military apparatus slaughtered defenceless civilioans. The Zionazi fundies, of course, welcome &#8216;Jew-hatred&#8217; and do everything they can, through their thuggish arrogance, open contempt for the rest of humanity, and murderous brutality, to foster it. &#8216;Jew-hatred&#8217; is useful cement, I think the Nazis talked of &#8216;blood-cement&#8217;, to bind Jewry together in the task of establishing Eretz Yisrael by stealing the land of others and ethnically cleansing them. Labelling decent world opinion, repulsed by Israeli brutality, duplicity and arrogant assertion, as mere &#8216;Jew-hatred&#8217; is contemptible, mendacious and simply wicked, but it works every time. As an unabashed admirer of decent Jews, of Einstein, the Menuhins, Oistrakh,  Noam Chomsky, and, above all, Karl Marx and the other Marx Brothers, the accusation of &#8216;Jew-hatred&#8217; is simply mirth-inducing. Even the Jews who act in frankly evil manner, in pursuit of the Zionist empire in Eretz Yisrael, I feel far more contempt for than hatred. I&#8217;d love to see many of them arraigned for their crimes against humanity, but most of all I&#8217;d love to see them just stop, cease desecrating international humanitarian law and finish with the child-murder. That&#8217;s my dearest wish.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Deadbeat you just can&#039;t deal with the issue. The US spends trillions on endless war and you can&#039;t deal with it. (Do you even know what the term ad hominem means? Apparently not.

You&#039;re limited in the extreme. I thought you called yourself deadbeat because you DON&#039;T pay taxes. Maybe there&#039;s another reason.

But your inability to deal with what I posted is telling, as are all your Zionist-centric diatribes. If a pipe broke in your dwelling, you&#039;d say it was the Zionists who did it. Your beyond any sense of rational discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Deadbeat you just can&#8217;t deal with the issue. The US spends trillions on endless war and you can&#8217;t deal with it. (Do you even know what the term ad hominem means? Apparently not.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re limited in the extreme. I thought you called yourself deadbeat because you DON&#8217;T pay taxes. Maybe there&#8217;s another reason.</p>
<p>But your inability to deal with what I posted is telling, as are all your Zionist-centric diatribes. If a pipe broke in your dwelling, you&#8217;d say it was the Zionists who did it. Your beyond any sense of rational discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot and these so called leaders who seem to enjoy playing the game at least once a year all meet in Paris or maybe Copenhagen and are the best of friends and have dinner.  Doesn&#039;t work like that ok they all put there money in a Swiss bank.  On a planet far far away.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot and these so called leaders who seem to enjoy playing the game at least once a year all meet in Paris or maybe Copenhagen and are the best of friends and have dinner.  Doesn&#8217;t work like that ok they all put there money in a Swiss bank.  On a planet far far away&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bozh in so many words are you saying that only a few people and that would be Worldwide are kind of playing a game with each other and about 99.99% of the rest of us I guess we the people have little to say in these wars, policy, economic system, and now in the year 2009 our thoughts because of TV and business are being controlled to support these few people and very soon just the act of telling the truth will put you in a reeducation camp and or noise generator as a start to see if that will work.  If this could be true I wonder if the so called leaders who must have a special gene believe all the things they preach to us again we the people. I can&#039;t see how.  The last time I checked California is still burning, Australia there summer is coming up the ice cap is melting crops down 20% in 2009 the economy not coming back anytime soon could be the crazy system we use a couple of wars going on we the people seem a tad bit confused extreme weather events on the rise the bank&#039;s have money/debt the leader here in the States great with words the Congress fighting and lying like dog&#039;s coal is where we get 50% of our energy the tar sands use a little water the rain forests do we still have rain forests and the few still play the game. I guess it&#039;s fun and great perk&#039;s. To bad we can find another planet far far away so they could play there did anybody invent a beam machine yet you know a transporter could be one answer. I know if that could happen who would take there place?  Let&#039;s see if we could just maybe we don&#039;t need leaders or maybe a machine could run the show, no kind of the way it work&#039;s or doesn&#039;t work now. It&#039;s Sunday day of rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bozh in so many words are you saying that only a few people and that would be Worldwide are kind of playing a game with each other and about 99.99% of the rest of us I guess we the people have little to say in these wars, policy, economic system, and now in the year 2009 our thoughts because of TV and business are being controlled to support these few people and very soon just the act of telling the truth will put you in a reeducation camp and or noise generator as a start to see if that will work.  If this could be true I wonder if the so called leaders who must have a special gene believe all the things they preach to us again we the people. I can&#8217;t see how.  The last time I checked California is still burning, Australia there summer is coming up the ice cap is melting crops down 20% in 2009 the economy not coming back anytime soon could be the crazy system we use a couple of wars going on we the people seem a tad bit confused extreme weather events on the rise the bank&#8217;s have money/debt the leader here in the States great with words the Congress fighting and lying like dog&#8217;s coal is where we get 50% of our energy the tar sands use a little water the rain forests do we still have rain forests and the few still play the game. I guess it&#8217;s fun and great perk&#8217;s. To bad we can find another planet far far away so they could play there did anybody invent a beam machine yet you know a transporter could be one answer. I know if that could happen who would take there place?  Let&#8217;s see if we could just maybe we don&#8217;t need leaders or maybe a machine could run the show, no kind of the way it work&#8217;s or doesn&#8217;t work now. It&#8217;s Sunday day of rest.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deadbeat,
The left in canada had been infiltrated by supporters of israel. However, about 15-20% of people who vote for New Democratic Party [NDP] appear as true lefttist
We, being a small minority, while governed  on federal level by two corporate parties, cldn&#039;t even delay our war against iraq let alone prevent it.
Judging by recent prez election, the left in US may consist of less than 2% of US pop; probably infiltrated by self-serving people and other antisocialists.
Can u, if my evaluation is correct, elucidate us on your implied affirmitation that the Left in US wld  have  prevented wars or obtained health care because if it hadn&#039;t been s&#039;mwhat weakened.

I think, tho, that in order to prevent a war or bring on healthcare, one wld need at least 200mn americans [s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deadbeat,<br />
The left in canada had been infiltrated by supporters of israel. However, about 15-20% of people who vote for New Democratic Party [NDP] appear as true lefttist<br />
We, being a small minority, while governed  on federal level by two corporate parties, cldn&#8217;t even delay our war against iraq let alone prevent it.<br />
Judging by recent prez election, the left in US may consist of less than 2% of US pop; probably infiltrated by self-serving people and other antisocialists.<br />
Can u, if my evaluation is correct, elucidate us on your implied affirmitation that the Left in US wld  have  prevented wars or obtained health care because if it hadn&#8217;t been s&#8217;mwhat weakened.</p>
<p>I think, tho, that in order to prevent a war or bring on healthcare, one wld need at least 200mn americans [s</p>
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