LMFAO!!!!

1929 Hebron Massacre (during the British mandate) started the war between Arabs & Jews. Many believe that the British were responsible for fomenting hatred between Jews & Arabs, who were previously quite civil toward each other. The British empire has a long history of pitting man against man, and this is just one more example of that.

This conflict will rapidly conclude when both sides WAKE UP!!

Jews are fighting for Israel because their religion obligated them to, NOT because of the Holocaust. Arabs are fighting for Israel because they believe that the Israeli government is satanic (or the “little satan”).. Sooner or later the Arabs will realize they are fighting wars for the “infidel” and they will finally allow their Jewish brothers to live peacefully in their tiny God-given land.

Peace!

Not so elementary, my dear watson, not so elementary.

Jeff Blankfort said on September 20th, 2009 at 2:07pm #

I have not commented on this very long thread in a long time but I feel remiss in not having let others know that Deteschi (sic) seems to be interested in getting into endless arguments with what he considers to be erudite arguments in defense of the indefensible and which the rest of us of identify as recycled ziobabble. I ran into him on another site before he popped up on this one. Is this a coincidence on Deteschi’s part or is he one of a number of Jewish volunteers who have been either recruited or have volunteered to defend Israel on progressive web sites? I would advise not responding to his messages as a solution to the immediate problem. But that’s just me and I though a word of warning was overdue..

Jeff

deceschi De Ceschi, my beauty, de Ceschi you have been outed!

And why do you anti-Zionists have the insolence to spread anti-Semitic garbage on the web? Is this maybe a way to depersonalize and belittle – or just typos?

De Ceschi, my beauty, de Ceschi (I know it’s difficult for you to spell Italian names, so for me Anglo-Saxon names).

Isn’t it symptomatic that your (non-)response to my question about systematic anti-Semitic derailments by anti-Zionists the kind of lapse watsom is a ideologically old-fashioned video-interview with this guy named Traficant? A guy who was in prison for seven years for bribery, filing false tax returns, racketeering, and other unpleasant things? A man with has a criminal record who, surprise surprise, attacks Israel and Jews charging them for the sins and the gaps of the USA?

….It is not accidental that when anyone attempts to examine the nature of Zionism – its origins, history and dynamics – they meet with people who terrorize or threaten them…….

…..Imagine a religion born of hate. Imagine that this hatred was so intense that it followed humanity through time and still is affecting the world today. Imagine that this hate was codified into religious law and became the basis of our reality today. That religion is Judaism, the most hateful memeplex every invented by the human mind.

…….Hate is the result of one thing and only one thing: the loss of control either real or imagined. If you really think about what hate actually is, it is the perception of loss of control……

Isn’t it symptomatic that your (non-)response to my question about systematic anti-Semitic derailments by anti-Zionists the kind of lapse watsom is a ideologically old-fashioned video-interview with this guy named Traficant? A guy who was in prison for seven years for bribery, filing false tax returns, racketeering, and other unpleasant things? A man with has a criminal record who, surprise surprise, attacks Israel and Jews charging them for the sins and the gaps of the USA? Is this your record and the record of the average Anti-Zionists too, beyond the evident trivial mystification of the excentric character as “one of few men who has balls in America”, as written in a comment below?

Try it maybe again with better “trafics”, Maria, pleeaase.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im7nUSLY_hk

Interview with James Traficant

exactly: my name was already transformed by you Israel- and Jew-haters to desechi, deseschi, deteschi, and so on and so forth. So why do anti-Zionist deliberately belittle and depersonalize? Or are these just typos?

And why do you anti-Zionists have the insolence to spread anti-Semitic garbage on the web? Is this maybe a way to depersonalize and belittle – or just typos?

eg Mulga becomes Mugla
Lance becomes Lanpse
etc

These are not just typos. Are they are done deliberately perhaps to belittle or depersonalize?

G’d, spare us the hateful anti-Semitic libels and trite theories of brain-washed anti-Zionist Morons and make it sure that they will bite their perfidious tongue twice and once more and more before opening their mouth again to spite their venom.

Amen.

Alas, Zionism for Dummies is aptly-named because the reader will have been exposed to an arbitrary smattering of factoids but will be no closer to understanding the origins of Zionism. For someone with patience, Arthur Hertzberg’s “The Zionist Idea” portrays Zionism in the words of those who created it. Walter Laqueur’s “A History of Zionism” is slightly shorter and more readable. Although both books are written by men sympathetic to Zionism, a neutral reader can make his own conclusions

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The Center of the Matrix
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 02:43 Phishna

http://www.therebel.org/opinion/race/the_center_of_the_matrix_2009091546054/

How did this all start?

Imagine a religion born of hate. Imagine that this hatred was so intense that it followed humanity through time and still is affecting the world today. Imagine that this hate was codified into religious law and became the basis of our reality today. That religion is Judaism, the most hateful memeplex every invented by the human mind.

In a nutshell, Judaism is a tribal code of hate toward all other tribes, it is hate for that which is outside of itself.

Hate is the result of one thing and only one thing: the loss of control either real or imagined. If you really think about what hate actually is, it is the perception of loss of control.

The emotion of hatred is also based on fear, it is fear expressed. War is this mind fear expressed into the physical realm. The reason that the world is so preoccupied with war is that Jews dominate the mental planes. The Jew money machine and the wars waged to prop it up are second order results of the Jewish “spirit” of hate codified into law. Even the unconstitutional war in Iraq is “legal” under our current mindspell.

We might have been taught that murder is immoral and against god’s commandments, but the truth is we love war because of our mindset. War is our anger expressed, so what is causing this anger, what is making us so angry and hateful that we are willing to spend our time waging war? Good question, to find the answer go find a happy person who was not taught the Bible.

We can also say unequivocally that hate is the opposite of love. The emotion of hatred is the starting point of Judaism and the devil is in the details.

Hatred toward an individual or hatred toward a rival tribe was later expressed as hatred toward rival nation states. Like any memeplex, Judaism keeps evolving toward more perfect hate, that’s why post Torah holy books like the Talmud and Protocols are more and more radical. Some say the Protocols are a forgery, but the truth about the Jews is how the Jews behave right now toward the Palestinians and how they treat America, exactly like the code in the Protocols

Among the Zionist interlopers in stolen Palestine we find many practices that look like slavery including abuse of guest workers and a massive sex trade. Some argue that such systematic human rights violations have their origins in the Talmudic mind set, but we probably do not have to look much further back than recent Eastern European history to understand Zionist sociopathy.

Slavery (usually called serfdom) continued in the Russian Empire until 1860. It lasted somewhat longer in Rumania, Bulgaria, and Ottoman territories. After the Soviet revolution, serfdom was essentially re instituted with collectivization. Probably not. The Czarist and Ottoman states both were essentially slave-based gunpowder empires. The Soviet Union was essentially a slavery-based state, but it attempted to produce its own weaponry.

White slavery as an ethnic Ashkenazi profession (hardly ever practiced by other Jews in E. Europe and the Russian empire) seems to grow out of the kinderkhapper criminal organizations, which did not exist among Jewish Tatars, Jewish Georgians, Jewish Persians or Jewish Ibero-Berber refugees in the Balkans and New Russia. The kinderkhapper (child-snatchers) were a response to the peculiar form of military draft of the Czarist Empire.

Nevertheless careful study of medieval sources indicates that ethnic Ashkenazim, proto-ethnic Ashkenazim and Jews in general were heavily involved in the slave trade in Slavs up until 1453 when the Ottoman Empire conquered Constantinople and closed down the main slave trade routes for Slavs into the Mediterranean. Martin Luther and the Wars of the Reformation closed down the minor routes through Germany approximately 50 years later.

Modern Rabbinic Judaism probably develops in tandem with the ancient Slave trade. The Khazars adopted various forms of Judean religion in the 8th and 9th centuries because it facilitated Slave trade with the Byzantines and the nascent Islamic states. The transformation of Geonic Judaism into Rabbinic Judaism and the developing predominance of Rabbinic Judaism over other currents of ancient Judean religion are all inextricably linked to the willingness of the Geonim to accommodate slavery and the slave trade in their developing halakhic system.

All major Jewish communities in the Mediterranean and Europe were centers of the slave trade. Jewish banking develops out of the slave trade (debt slavery). The spread of Catharism and the expulsion of the Jews from England all relate to the slave trade. The disproportionate representation of (Ibero-Berber not Ashkenazi) Jews in the Atlantic slave trade is probably a reverberation of a traditional trade.

After the Slavic slave trade breaks down, we see members of the Eastern European ethnic Ashkenazi group move into estate management (i.e., taxing and exploiting serfs in lieu of selling slaves) and distribution of goods (instead of distributing slaves). Overall, Eastern European ethnic Ashkenazim, even as their status as an elite group declines, manage to maintain higher incomes, higher levels of education and longer life-spans right into the 20th century in Eastern Europe, the Soviet Union and the USA.

As a frustrated or disenfranchised elite with more money and more education than coterritorial non-Jews, ethnic Ashkenazim manage to do tremendous damage in Europe, the Russian Empire, Palestine and the USA. ethnic Ashkenazi involvement in mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing provokes an extreme reaction in Germany, Eastern Europe, and liberated Soviet territories, but after WW2 ethnic Ashkenazim quickly regroup with the theft of Palestine to become transnational suprastate or extrastate actor in international politics by subverting the political systems in the USA, Canada, the UK and Germany.

Unless democratic transformation takes place in the West to completely neutralize racist ethnic Ashkenazim and Zionist interlopers via disenfranchisement, removal from Palestine, expropriation and internment, increasing conflict is practically guaranteed between the West, subverted by ethnic Ashkenazi and Zionist political-economic elites, and the East, enraged by Zionist depredations and by US foreign policy essentially created by these same elite

Ralph Schoenman

The Hidden History of Zionism

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/ch01.htm

It is not accidental that when anyone attempts to examine the nature of Zionism – its origins, history and dynamics – they meet with people who terrorize or threaten them. Quite recently, after mentioning a meeting on the plight of the Palestinian people during an interview on KPFK, a Los Angeles radio station, the organizers of the public meeting were deluged with bomb threats from anonymous callers.

Nor is it easy in the United States or Western Europe to disseminate information about the nature of Zionism or to analyze the specific events which denote Zionism as a political movement. Even the announcement on university campuses of authorized forums or meetings on the subject invariably engenders a campaign designed to close off discussion. Posters are torn down as fast as they are put up. Meetings are packed by flying squads of Zionist youth who seek to break them up. Literature tables are vandalized and leaflets and articles appear accusing the speaker of anti-Semitism or, in the case of those of Jewish origin, of self-hatred.

Vindictiveness and slander are so universally meted out to anti-Zionists because the disparity between the official fiction about Zionism and the Israeli state, on the one hand, and the barbarous practice of this colonial ideology and coercive apparatus, on the other, is so vast. People are in shock when they have an opportunity to hear or read about the century of persecution suffered by the Palestinians, and, thus, the apologists for Zionism are relentless in seeking to prevent coherent, dispassionate examination of the virulent and chauvinist record of the Zionist movement and of the state which embodies its values.

The irony of this is that when we study what the Zionists have written and said – particularly when addressing themselves – no doubt remains about what they have done or of their place in the political spectrum, dating from the last quarter of the 19th century to the present day.

If the Palestinians don’t achieve what they want, that is if their leadership or Israel’s backs them into an untenable position, the Palestinian people will likely begin pushing for a one-state solution, vote with their feet, or both. But neither of these scenarios will play out before the 2-state solution is either achieved or becomes a dead horse.

Land is not owned by anyone if you think we don’t live in a capitalist world. But for those who understand that we live under the aegis of capitalism, very little land on this planet is not owned. That’s a fact, not an opinion – and does not require magical thinking. Israel DOES forbid Palestinian access to land – but even where Palestinians are permitted access, they are forbidden to purchase that land in 93% of Israel.

A state is not a fabrication. I know a spot where you can leave the US without going thru customs, but outside of that place your ‘state membership’ credentials are examined and challenged all the way. The nation-state system emerged as the capitalist successor to the fuedal kingdoms and empires. The state-system makes the world safe for capitalism. It is real and it is here to stay for the forseeable future. If you want, you can try passing thru international airports without documents, or try to avoid income and sales taxes, and try passing your home and yard to others without legal paperwork. But you will find yourself behind state-authorized bars in no time.

Bio-regions are a fine idea. At this point they may be tried within the state system (though that’s highly unlikely) – but they will not be tried in lieu of the state system in your lifetime. The direction that states around the world are going in is toward supra-nationalist bodies such as the European Union, or similar arrangements elsewhere on the planet. These arrangements have nothing to do with bio-regions but have a lot do with commerce and mutual defense (including non-aggression against each other).

There is nothing ideal about states and they were not fore-ordained, but are instead the result of human socio-economic processes as Europe moved from one economic mode to another. In this, they are no more or less natural than bio-regions. In fact, I think were a bio-region to survive the onslaught of its neighbor states, it too would start forming the accoutrements of a state.

In the case of Palestine, the bio-region consists of a good deal of the Levant and would necessarily include all of the West Bank, but only parts of Israel, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. But who has brought THAT to the negotiating table?

You don’t get it. There isn’t going to be a two-state solution that works for Palestinians.

Land is never “owned” by someone. They may dominate it, and exclude others, but legal or illegal “ownership” is the problem. Israel excludes the Palestinians from access to the land they once freely accessed. That is the fundamental issue.

A state is a fabrication which creates more problems than it solves.

What is it about bio-regions that you don’t like? Why is this an “ideal” when, in fact, it’s natural, as opposed to states which are unnatural?

As for who cares if Jews were 2% of Palestine’s population pre-colonization, certainly Mebosa does. He’d very much like it if we functioned under the illusion that Jews made up a large percentage of Palestine’s population. In fact, anyone interested in solving Palestine’s Israel problem (exclusive of silly bioregionalists) should be interested in understanding that the reason Palestinians have the right to Palestine is because they were the people of that country – the 98%.

The land – legal or illegal – is now overwhelmingly OWNED by Israelis – in fact, the quasi-state organization, the Jewish National Fund. If you don’t believe in land ownership let’s start with yours.

The states are ALREADY carved up bozo, and if you wanted your precious bioregional solution to work, you’d have to unite far more than Israel and the West Bank. But if you want regional cooperation on the environment you won’t get it until Palestine has its own state (something you are against).

This is the type of anal talk that a quasi academic offers up as important. There are people in the region KILLING other people…many children.

The truth, is that land is not owned by anyone. Hard to swallow for those bent on hierachical empire organizing principles. The ISSUE is not who OWNS the land, but who was pushed off the land by external forces who then proceeded to reign ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Who made the land? B99? Palestinians? Jews? NO. This is the PROBLEM. And until we face the REAL problem, we’ll not ever solve it. This is about land, not who owns it, but who has full access to the regions resources. That is the fundamental problem, and it cannot be solved by carving up states (and as I’ve said, and B99 you’ve never refuted it with facts). Such a carving is not VIABLE, so we are left with a cat and mouse game that goes NO WHERE.

PLEASE, bug off!

Pre-1948 there certainly was a Palestine, that’s what EVERYBODY called it – there certainly was NO Israel. Pre-colonization Palestine was less than 2% Jewish (Jews had left a thousand or more years earlier).

There were no attempts by Arabs to destroy Israel. Israel began ALL wars but one – and that was the 1973 war by Egypt and Syria to regain their own land under Israeli occupation since 1967 – not an attack on Israel. Other wars were begun by Israel.

If you think that nobody wanted the Palestinians (not really true) what do you think if the Jews in central Europe? Did the Germans want them? The Poles? The Russians? I don’t think so. So how does that square with you getting Palestinian land?

Yes, the ARab League has offered FULL recognition of Israel as per 2002 Saudi offer. Arab states did not recognize Israel prior to ’67 because they exist on stolen land and carried out genocide. They must not be rewarded for that. But Fatah has accepted Israel since the 1970s and Hamas accepts Israel as well – but Israel refuses peace because it is a rogue state. The boycott will stop when Israel comes to the table. And you WILLcome to the table – sooner or later – the clock is ticking.