Comments on: Tatters Remain: Will the New America, Borrowing Perhaps from the Old, Rise from the Shadows? http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/tatters-remain-will-the-new-america-borrowing-perhaps-from-the-old-rise-from-the-shadows/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:49:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Jive_q http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/tatters-remain-will-the-new-america-borrowing-perhaps-from-the-old-rise-from-the-shadows/#comment-55894 Jive_q Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:53:36 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10765#comment-55894 I liked this article even though I am partial to libertarianism and Ron Paul especially. That being said, as a Canadian, I have to say that I enjoy our “free” Health Care system in that no-one is ever denied coverage – the problem as I see it in the Canadian system is, the patient is not the customer, the government is. That means that every time a hospital admits a Canadian it costs them money – the system is set up to reward those health care providers that provide as little service as possible. (Not much different than the US system really)

As a consumer of health care (as we all are) it is not in our best interest to let the government pay for this service as it removes all choice and power we have as the actual users of the service. That and you invite the government to then crack down on so called “unhealthy” lifestyles.

At the end of the day, from a purely selfish point of view – a public system in the US would be disastrous to Canadians. Without a profit motive there will be very little in the way of new bio-med technology that we can then adopt.

My best idea would be to give every Canadian a Credit Card with so much money on it every year to spend as they see fit in the Health Care system. This would put the power back into the hands of the people using the service, would cut down on fraud b/c every individual would account for what they were charged and would increase the level of service a thousand times over. Seems simple!!

]]> By: Danny Ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/tatters-remain-will-the-new-america-borrowing-perhaps-from-the-old-rise-from-the-shadows/#comment-55867 Danny Ray Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:01:09 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10765#comment-55867 B99, Alors nous sommes dans l’accord complet
Let’s do it

]]> By: b99 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/tatters-remain-will-the-new-america-borrowing-perhaps-from-the-old-rise-from-the-shadows/#comment-55860 b99 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:26:55 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10765#comment-55860 Actually Dan – the biggest support for war – any war – comes out of the South. That comes out of centuries of lynching and gun ownership for purposes of accomplishing same. For USB, it would mean saving on welfare money – blue states taxpayers are tired of forking over money to the red staters. The slaves should have been freed – and then the South should have been sent on its merry way.

]]> By: A Mohit http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/tatters-remain-will-the-new-america-borrowing-perhaps-from-the-old-rise-from-the-shadows/#comment-55855 A Mohit Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:54:12 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10765#comment-55855 Justin O’Connell :

“The bailout money could have easily and unquestioningly paid off all mortgages in the U.S. I repeat, all mortgages. ”

I suspected the same but do not have actual data to support it. Could you please elaborate on this?

Thank you.

]]> By: Danny Ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/tatters-remain-will-the-new-america-borrowing-perhaps-from-the-old-rise-from-the-shadows/#comment-55852 Danny Ray Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:49:20 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10765#comment-55852 Sounds good to me B99 , we feudalistic morons can fight your wars and you can tell us what to wear. But really you people hate us on the right and most of the right hates you so why stay together . we don’t have to for the sake of the kids you know.

as my old grandaddy said ” KEEP YOUR CONFEDERATE MONEY BOYS, THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN”

]]> By: B99 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/tatters-remain-will-the-new-america-borrowing-perhaps-from-the-old-rise-from-the-shadows/#comment-55825 B99 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:02:14 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10765#comment-55825 Danny Ray – I would split the nation up – into USA, a feudalistic, moralistic nation of yahoos and USB, a modern, cosmopolitan European-type nation.

]]> By: Danny Ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/tatters-remain-will-the-new-america-borrowing-perhaps-from-the-old-rise-from-the-shadows/#comment-55816 Danny Ray Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:05:10 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10765#comment-55816 Sorry I did not mean to double post :-(

]]> By: Danny Ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/tatters-remain-will-the-new-america-borrowing-perhaps-from-the-old-rise-from-the-shadows/#comment-55815 Danny Ray Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:04:38 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10765#comment-55815 Its time for america to be broken up. we can no longer go forward divided as we are. the north east and the west coast can go their own way while the backwards conservatives in flyover country can do as they choose. Give everyone six months to decide where to live and that would be that.

]]> By: Danny Ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/tatters-remain-will-the-new-america-borrowing-perhaps-from-the-old-rise-from-the-shadows/#comment-55814 Danny Ray Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:04:04 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10765#comment-55814 Its time for america to be broken up. we can no longer go forward divided as we are. the north east and the west coast can go their own way while the backwards conservatives in flyover country can do as they choose. Give everyone six months to decide where to live and that wold be that.

]]> By: Michael Dawson http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/tatters-remain-will-the-new-america-borrowing-perhaps-from-the-old-rise-from-the-shadows/#comment-55813 Michael Dawson Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:55:25 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10765#comment-55813 Since when do “free markets,” which have never existed and could never exist without huge state help, “run against” centralizing power?

Markets sustain and increase the power of “private” investors.

And all “free markets” eventually produce capitalists who are rich and influential enough to put oligopolistic limits on their supposedly natural workings.

We don’t have time to try to start capitalism over. We need big government, world government.

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