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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54658</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>crispus, is not the difference between collectivists and individualists nothing but the difference between those who wish individual freedom for ALL individuals, the collectivists, and those who believe in full individual rights, but only for themselves and those that they approve of, usually those most like themselves? I think it is as simple as that. Whether you fear and despise others, or accept and value them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crispus, is not the difference between collectivists and individualists nothing but the difference between those who wish individual freedom for ALL individuals, the collectivists, and those who believe in full individual rights, but only for themselves and those that they approve of, usually those most like themselves? I think it is as simple as that. Whether you fear and despise others, or accept and value them.</p>
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		<title>By: b99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54589</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USF - What&#039;s your recipe for getting America from here to there.  From getting it out of the degraded condition it is in to a communist society of equals?</description>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54583</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>db, 
your thinking on a leader[ship] appears akin to mine. It is not an either-or proposition; it&#039;s more of an circular happening, at least in venezuella: people influence leaders; leaders in turn influence/persuade people.
I further stress that we need to get away from saviorism.
We&#039;ve had yahweh, jesus, mohammed, ghandy, king, lenin, obama, chomsky, et al.
But are in bigger mess than ever? Look at india! they had their ghandi but untouchables are still there. We&#039;ve had yahweh and his followers have undergone three shoahs! Is the fourth far behind?
We&#039;ve had mohammed but muslim women are still a chattel. And muslims are still ruled by despots of all kind; become rich while not working.
more cld be said. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>db,<br />
your thinking on a leader[ship] appears akin to mine. It is not an either-or proposition; it&#8217;s more of an circular happening, at least in venezuella: people influence leaders; leaders in turn influence/persuade people.<br />
I further stress that we need to get away from saviorism.<br />
We&#8217;ve had yahweh, jesus, mohammed, ghandy, king, lenin, obama, chomsky, et al.<br />
But are in bigger mess than ever? Look at india! they had their ghandi but untouchables are still there. We&#8217;ve had yahweh and his followers have undergone three shoahs! Is the fourth far behind?<br />
We&#8217;ve had mohammed but muslim women are still a chattel. And muslims are still ruled by despots of all kind; become rich while not working.<br />
more cld be said. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: United-Socialist-Front</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54577</link>
		<dc:creator>United-Socialist-Front</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BEWARE OF THE FAR-RIGHT WING FROM THE NAZI CONSPIRACY THEORISTS OF THE TEA PARTY LIBERTARIANS MARCH IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AGAINST OBAMA&#039;S PUBLIC HEALTH CARE PLAN.  

THESE FAR-RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY THEORY NAZIS LIKE JEFF RENSE, GLENN BECK AND ALEX JONES ARE VERY DANGEROUS, THEY CAN EVEN KILL YOU IF YOU ARE SOCIALIST, THEY KILLED JFK, JOHN LENNON AND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, AND THEY MIGHT KILL OBAMA !!
	
Right-wing march in Washington against Obama health care plan
14 September 2009

http://wsws.org/articles/2009/sep2009/pers-s14.shtml

On Saturday, right-wing groups organized a demonstration in Washington to denounce the Obama administration, with particular focus on the proposed health care overhaul outlined in the president’s speech before Congress on Wednesday.

The march, organized by former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey’s group, FreedomWorks, attracted an extremely confused social layer, combining demands for lower taxes and less government spending with fanatical anti-abortion and anti-immigrant politics. Reflecting views promoted by fascistic talk show commentators, many denounced Obama for attempting to introduce “socialism” in America, while others likened him to Hitler and questioned his status as a US citizen.

The immediate political motive of the organizers was to denounce what they called “ObamaCare,” which the FreedomWorks web site characterizes as a “government takeover of health care.” They have focused particular attention on the so-called “public option,” a proposal that would establish a very limited government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers in a revamped health care market.

In his speech Wednesday, Obama made clear that he was prepared to drop the “public option” in order to appease the insurance industry, Republican critics of his health care plan, and “moderate” Democrats who have balked at even this token role for the government in the health care market.

Aside from Armey, the rally was addressed by Republican Congressman Michael Pence of Indiana and Republican Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina, among others.

Attendance was not very large. According to media reports, those marching numbered between 15,000 and 30,000. The protest was far smaller than the massive anti-war demonstrations that preceded the invasion of Iraq in February of 2003, but this weekend’s demonstration has been given vastly disproportionate coverage in the US media, particularly on cable television. It hardly represents a mass popular uprising, as claimed by the organizers and media promoters.

Nevertheless, the mobilization does raise the danger of the growth of extreme right-wing forces. This danger does not stem from the existence today of a mass base for right-wing and fascistic politics in the United States. In fact, the majority of the population supports universal health care, increased taxes on the rich, and other egalitarian social policies.

Rather, the danger arises fundamentally from the subordination of the working class to the Democratic Party and the Obama administration, and thereby to the US ruling class. The political disenfranchisement of the working class is maintained through the political monopoly exercised by two right-wing parties of big business.

Whatever the denunciations of a “government takeover of health care,” Obama’s plan represents an attempt to scale back government spending and lower corporate health care expenses.

As Obama declared in his speech on Wednesday, “Our health care problem is our deficit problem.” His speech has shifted discussion within the political establishment even more directly to finding new ways to cut costs. His proposal, requiring individuals to purchase bare-bones coverage from private insurers, has as its ultimate aim the phasing out of employer-provided health care—saving corporations billions—and substantially reducing the costs of Medicare and Medicaid.

There is entirely legitimate anxiety among broad sections of the population over the future of health care. Senior citizens and others are justly worried that the cost-cutting will lead to cuts in services, and Obama’s overhaul as a whole will lead to a vast expansion in the power of the insurance industry over the US health care system.

However, this popular opposition finds no expression within any section of the political establishment or either of the two parties. The subordination of the working class to Obama and the Democrats blocks the development of a progressive alternative. The Republican right seeks to make gains by exploiting the political vacuum—as far as the broad masses can see—on the left.

Here the role of the pseudo-progressive and liberal middle-class organizations is critical. By backing Obama and covering up for his right-wing policies, they work to prevent any organized expression of the interests and concerns of the masses of working people. This is true in relation to domestic policies—the health care anti-reform, the assault on auto workers, the bailout of Wall Street, the continuation of Bush’s police state measures—as well as foreign policy.

These groups oppose any genuine struggle against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some of them are only now planning to stage “anti-war” demonstrations in order to disorient and derail growing anti-war sentiment. For the most part, they offer prescriptions for a more effective imperialist strategy in Central Asia.

These organizations and their mouthpieces—such as the Nation magazine—are obsessed with identity and life-style issues, which reflect the concerns of the more privileged and complacent social layers they represent. They are indifferent to the social concerns—jobs, wages, living standards, home foreclosures, etc.—that drive the broad masses of the people, who are being devastated by the crisis and the policies of the Obama administration.

A recent article published in the Nation (“A Method to Their Madness”) discusses the politics of the right-wing forces and declares that they gain strength when there is an “absence of leadership.” In a revealing exposure, the article notes that “less than a third of the country believes Obama has clearly explained his plans for health care reform… According to a CNN poll, only one in five believes he or she will be better off after health care reform has passed, and 40 percent say they are confused by the proposals.”

The article goes on to urge Obama to provide this “leadership” by making a case for the “public option.” It once again promotes the lie that the purpose of the health care overhaul is to provide “universal healthcare.”

In reality, the confusion and concern over the health care overhaul is a response to the duplicity of the Obama administration, which attempts to cloak a health care counter-revolution in the guise of social reform. Outfits like the Nation work consciously to perpetuate this fraud. In the coming elections, they will no doubt once again point to the prospect of Republican gains as an argument for supporting the Democratic Party.

Oblivious to the historical and political implications of the current crisis, they are incapable of understanding the logic of their own policies. At some point, a section of the far-right elements that staged the demonstration on Saturday will begin to make a populist appeal to broader social concerns. This will raise the specter of a genuine fascist movement.

The critical question for workers and youth is to grasp the reactionary nature of the politics of these middle-class groups, reject their false perspective, and take up the fight for a break with the Democrats and the development of a struggle against the Obama administration based on the political independence of the working class and a socialist and internationalist program. As workers enter into struggle against mass unemployment, poverty and war, there will be growing popular support for such a perspective.

Joe Kishore and Barry Grey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BEWARE OF THE FAR-RIGHT WING FROM THE NAZI CONSPIRACY THEORISTS OF THE TEA PARTY LIBERTARIANS MARCH IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AGAINST OBAMA&#8217;S PUBLIC HEALTH CARE PLAN.  </p>
<p>THESE FAR-RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY THEORY NAZIS LIKE JEFF RENSE, GLENN BECK AND ALEX JONES ARE VERY DANGEROUS, THEY CAN EVEN KILL YOU IF YOU ARE SOCIALIST, THEY KILLED JFK, JOHN LENNON AND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, AND THEY MIGHT KILL OBAMA !!</p>
<p>Right-wing march in Washington against Obama health care plan<br />
14 September 2009</p>
<p><a href="http://wsws.org/articles/2009/sep2009/pers-s14.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://wsws.org/articles/2009/sep2009/pers-s14.shtml</a></p>
<p>On Saturday, right-wing groups organized a demonstration in Washington to denounce the Obama administration, with particular focus on the proposed health care overhaul outlined in the president’s speech before Congress on Wednesday.</p>
<p>The march, organized by former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey’s group, FreedomWorks, attracted an extremely confused social layer, combining demands for lower taxes and less government spending with fanatical anti-abortion and anti-immigrant politics. Reflecting views promoted by fascistic talk show commentators, many denounced Obama for attempting to introduce “socialism” in America, while others likened him to Hitler and questioned his status as a US citizen.</p>
<p>The immediate political motive of the organizers was to denounce what they called “ObamaCare,” which the FreedomWorks web site characterizes as a “government takeover of health care.” They have focused particular attention on the so-called “public option,” a proposal that would establish a very limited government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers in a revamped health care market.</p>
<p>In his speech Wednesday, Obama made clear that he was prepared to drop the “public option” in order to appease the insurance industry, Republican critics of his health care plan, and “moderate” Democrats who have balked at even this token role for the government in the health care market.</p>
<p>Aside from Armey, the rally was addressed by Republican Congressman Michael Pence of Indiana and Republican Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina, among others.</p>
<p>Attendance was not very large. According to media reports, those marching numbered between 15,000 and 30,000. The protest was far smaller than the massive anti-war demonstrations that preceded the invasion of Iraq in February of 2003, but this weekend’s demonstration has been given vastly disproportionate coverage in the US media, particularly on cable television. It hardly represents a mass popular uprising, as claimed by the organizers and media promoters.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, the mobilization does raise the danger of the growth of extreme right-wing forces. This danger does not stem from the existence today of a mass base for right-wing and fascistic politics in the United States. In fact, the majority of the population supports universal health care, increased taxes on the rich, and other egalitarian social policies.</p>
<p>Rather, the danger arises fundamentally from the subordination of the working class to the Democratic Party and the Obama administration, and thereby to the US ruling class. The political disenfranchisement of the working class is maintained through the political monopoly exercised by two right-wing parties of big business.</p>
<p>Whatever the denunciations of a “government takeover of health care,” Obama’s plan represents an attempt to scale back government spending and lower corporate health care expenses.</p>
<p>As Obama declared in his speech on Wednesday, “Our health care problem is our deficit problem.” His speech has shifted discussion within the political establishment even more directly to finding new ways to cut costs. His proposal, requiring individuals to purchase bare-bones coverage from private insurers, has as its ultimate aim the phasing out of employer-provided health care—saving corporations billions—and substantially reducing the costs of Medicare and Medicaid.</p>
<p>There is entirely legitimate anxiety among broad sections of the population over the future of health care. Senior citizens and others are justly worried that the cost-cutting will lead to cuts in services, and Obama’s overhaul as a whole will lead to a vast expansion in the power of the insurance industry over the US health care system.</p>
<p>However, this popular opposition finds no expression within any section of the political establishment or either of the two parties. The subordination of the working class to Obama and the Democrats blocks the development of a progressive alternative. The Republican right seeks to make gains by exploiting the political vacuum—as far as the broad masses can see—on the left.</p>
<p>Here the role of the pseudo-progressive and liberal middle-class organizations is critical. By backing Obama and covering up for his right-wing policies, they work to prevent any organized expression of the interests and concerns of the masses of working people. This is true in relation to domestic policies—the health care anti-reform, the assault on auto workers, the bailout of Wall Street, the continuation of Bush’s police state measures—as well as foreign policy.</p>
<p>These groups oppose any genuine struggle against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some of them are only now planning to stage “anti-war” demonstrations in order to disorient and derail growing anti-war sentiment. For the most part, they offer prescriptions for a more effective imperialist strategy in Central Asia.</p>
<p>These organizations and their mouthpieces—such as the Nation magazine—are obsessed with identity and life-style issues, which reflect the concerns of the more privileged and complacent social layers they represent. They are indifferent to the social concerns—jobs, wages, living standards, home foreclosures, etc.—that drive the broad masses of the people, who are being devastated by the crisis and the policies of the Obama administration.</p>
<p>A recent article published in the Nation (“A Method to Their Madness”) discusses the politics of the right-wing forces and declares that they gain strength when there is an “absence of leadership.” In a revealing exposure, the article notes that “less than a third of the country believes Obama has clearly explained his plans for health care reform… According to a CNN poll, only one in five believes he or she will be better off after health care reform has passed, and 40 percent say they are confused by the proposals.”</p>
<p>The article goes on to urge Obama to provide this “leadership” by making a case for the “public option.” It once again promotes the lie that the purpose of the health care overhaul is to provide “universal healthcare.”</p>
<p>In reality, the confusion and concern over the health care overhaul is a response to the duplicity of the Obama administration, which attempts to cloak a health care counter-revolution in the guise of social reform. Outfits like the Nation work consciously to perpetuate this fraud. In the coming elections, they will no doubt once again point to the prospect of Republican gains as an argument for supporting the Democratic Party.</p>
<p>Oblivious to the historical and political implications of the current crisis, they are incapable of understanding the logic of their own policies. At some point, a section of the far-right elements that staged the demonstration on Saturday will begin to make a populist appeal to broader social concerns. This will raise the specter of a genuine fascist movement.</p>
<p>The critical question for workers and youth is to grasp the reactionary nature of the politics of these middle-class groups, reject their false perspective, and take up the fight for a break with the Democrats and the development of a struggle against the Obama administration based on the political independence of the working class and a socialist and internationalist program. As workers enter into struggle against mass unemployment, poverty and war, there will be growing popular support for such a perspective.</p>
<p>Joe Kishore and Barry Grey</p>
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		<title>By: United-Socialist-Front</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54576</link>
		<dc:creator>United-Socialist-Front</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deadbeat said on September 13th, 2009 at 2:58pm 

Deadbeat: I agree with you !! that&#039;s how leaders emerge, by will to action, by physical-strength to take action.  Not just theoretical strength writting stuff on bloggers, but by physical bodily will and strength to do real political activism.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat said on September 13th, 2009 at 2:58pm </p>
<p>Deadbeat: I agree with you !! that&#8217;s how leaders emerge, by will to action, by physical-strength to take action.  Not just theoretical strength writting stuff on bloggers, but by physical bodily will and strength to do real political activism.</p>
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		<title>By: United-Socialist-Front</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54575</link>
		<dc:creator>United-Socialist-Front</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deadbeat: Let&#039;s be clear, and let&#039;s call bread bread, and wine wine. Let&#039;s label things and people by their behaviour and actions. As capitalist and as libertarian as Ron Paul is, at least he is not a liar, and a puppet like Obama.  And the same goes for Noam Chomsky !!

You are very wrong in generalizing and comparing Noam Chomsky among the evil puppets of America (Clintons, Obama, Palin, Bush).

I mean let&#039;s be honest, you have to get out of that group of liars Ron Paul, Noam Chomsky and even David Duke is not a liar like Obama and our corporate mainstream puppets who rule America are.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat: Let&#8217;s be clear, and let&#8217;s call bread bread, and wine wine. Let&#8217;s label things and people by their behaviour and actions. As capitalist and as libertarian as Ron Paul is, at least he is not a liar, and a puppet like Obama.  And the same goes for Noam Chomsky !!</p>
<p>You are very wrong in generalizing and comparing Noam Chomsky among the evil puppets of America (Clintons, Obama, Palin, Bush).</p>
<p>I mean let&#8217;s be honest, you have to get out of that group of liars Ron Paul, Noam Chomsky and even David Duke is not a liar like Obama and our corporate mainstream puppets who rule America are.</p>
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		<title>By: John Little</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54552</link>
		<dc:creator>John Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

The government and big business have hijacked the country and held it hostage for a very long time. We have absolutely no say whatsoever in what goes on.

But that doesn&#039;t have to be the only answer. We can fight back, but we need numbers and we need strength. Right now there&#039;s no one and nothing guiding any viable answer to corporatocracy. The first step is to organize, and I see absolutely nothing viable in that regard right now, as you have well testified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>The government and big business have hijacked the country and held it hostage for a very long time. We have absolutely no say whatsoever in what goes on.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t have to be the only answer. We can fight back, but we need numbers and we need strength. Right now there&#8217;s no one and nothing guiding any viable answer to corporatocracy. The first step is to organize, and I see absolutely nothing viable in that regard right now, as you have well testified.</p>
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		<title>By: Crispus Attucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crispus Attucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gang,

Sooo, I gather that the point of this forum is to weed out the current US government for a better tomorrow for all? So far, all of your various points lead back to Marx, Hegel, Nietzsche, Ricardo, Mao and a continuum of various rants and such. Is it that bad? Is the Russian ballet, utopia in the making? Das Kapital...a better planet...aliens are welcome too. 

Please explain the small minds of such a cretan origin, town halls and...the uninformed masses of simplistic commoners that some so distain. Take Epimenides, compare him to the relativst and the ongoing dilemma within Marxism, that all theories are products of their class background. Follow the logic that all cretans are liars...being told this by a Cretan...thus, this comparison is inappropriate in as; perhaps this time the cretan was telling the truth. So much for the relativist, as theory has not hath an absolute.

Capitalism...not a political system, not perfection; like ideas without dimension...Nietzsche follows. Can you regulate chaos? Post modernists think so, socialists think so, Marxists think so, dictators think so... the small minded wondering aimless and without the guiding Hegel hand of man&#039;s matrix of evolutionary puree, do not think so. 

The beat goes on...no time to lose. As James Fenimore Cooper stated in  a young republic, that the United States Congress is the new aristocracy. Since the 1840&#039;s this notion  has played itself out in the social and economic growth of the republic; not the Platonic outlay to tyranny from relative freedom of the individual.  

The individual, the collective...so many choices, so little time. Self interest is man, the catolyst for his survival... even the down trodden  
merge with self interest. Dialectic in a transcidental expressive; Kant do it, please leave the deflection that all beliefs are relative to its revelations. Even science, including eco science, is still reflective of the values and predjices of the scientists themselves. 

All paths lead to the individual, one or five, limited to the individual and the group. What empirical evidence excludes the individual from the group? Folks, take a deep breath...dissidents or not...relax with the notion that the conflict between individualists and collectivists have been a key component to the fabric of our country. Exclude the cretans...and what remains...our objectivity...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gang,</p>
<p>Sooo, I gather that the point of this forum is to weed out the current US government for a better tomorrow for all? So far, all of your various points lead back to Marx, Hegel, Nietzsche, Ricardo, Mao and a continuum of various rants and such. Is it that bad? Is the Russian ballet, utopia in the making? Das Kapital&#8230;a better planet&#8230;aliens are welcome too. </p>
<p>Please explain the small minds of such a cretan origin, town halls and&#8230;the uninformed masses of simplistic commoners that some so distain. Take Epimenides, compare him to the relativst and the ongoing dilemma within Marxism, that all theories are products of their class background. Follow the logic that all cretans are liars&#8230;being told this by a Cretan&#8230;thus, this comparison is inappropriate in as; perhaps this time the cretan was telling the truth. So much for the relativist, as theory has not hath an absolute.</p>
<p>Capitalism&#8230;not a political system, not perfection; like ideas without dimension&#8230;Nietzsche follows. Can you regulate chaos? Post modernists think so, socialists think so, Marxists think so, dictators think so&#8230; the small minded wondering aimless and without the guiding Hegel hand of man&#8217;s matrix of evolutionary puree, do not think so. </p>
<p>The beat goes on&#8230;no time to lose. As James Fenimore Cooper stated in  a young republic, that the United States Congress is the new aristocracy. Since the 1840&#8242;s this notion  has played itself out in the social and economic growth of the republic; not the Platonic outlay to tyranny from relative freedom of the individual.  </p>
<p>The individual, the collective&#8230;so many choices, so little time. Self interest is man, the catolyst for his survival&#8230; even the down trodden<br />
merge with self interest. Dialectic in a transcidental expressive; Kant do it, please leave the deflection that all beliefs are relative to its revelations. Even science, including eco science, is still reflective of the values and predjices of the scientists themselves. </p>
<p>All paths lead to the individual, one or five, limited to the individual and the group. What empirical evidence excludes the individual from the group? Folks, take a deep breath&#8230;dissidents or not&#8230;relax with the notion that the conflict between individualists and collectivists have been a key component to the fabric of our country. Exclude the cretans&#8230;and what remains&#8230;our objectivity&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Bannacheck</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54536</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Bannacheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s still hopeless.  Americans need only to look at the four noble truths to understand what is going on

Truth One: Life is Suffering.
Truth Two: In order to get past such a suffeing, one must give up their desire for materialism.

It&#039;s pretty simple to understand.  In America we have been sold &quot;The American Dream.&quot;  It states that any American can advance up the economic status ladder with a little bit of hard work.  This untrue.  A study released stated that it takes nine generations to move up just a notch.  In reality we live in a caste system.

So to find happiness, one must accept this unchangeable.  Stop being so infatuted with cell phones, laptops, cars, clothes, designer labels, and enoy what you have.  It&#039;s the only way to meet nirvana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s still hopeless.  Americans need only to look at the four noble truths to understand what is going on</p>
<p>Truth One: Life is Suffering.<br />
Truth Two: In order to get past such a suffeing, one must give up their desire for materialism.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty simple to understand.  In America we have been sold &#8220;The American Dream.&#8221;  It states that any American can advance up the economic status ladder with a little bit of hard work.  This untrue.  A study released stated that it takes nine generations to move up just a notch.  In reality we live in a caste system.</p>
<p>So to find happiness, one must accept this unchangeable.  Stop being so infatuted with cell phones, laptops, cars, clothes, designer labels, and enoy what you have.  It&#8217;s the only way to meet nirvana.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54526</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>U-S-F writes...
&lt;i&gt;So what we need in USA is a great charismatic leader like Hugo Chavez who can unite into a one single pole, the americans from different ideologies who are worried about their economic present and future.&lt;/i&gt;

Such an idea and suggestion is a fatal mistake.  Chavez became popular because the condition were ripe for it and it took bold action that inspired people.  For there to be a Chavez the people themselves have to have some degree of solidarity among the population so that they can get behind him.  There is no such level of solidariy in the U.S. today.  That has to be constructed first.  &quot;Leaders&quot; emerge from that process not the other way around.

Because in the U.S. people are waiting for charismatic leaders, they can be easily fooled by false leaders like Obama, Chomsky, Cornel West, Al Sharpton, Ron Paul, etc.

People need to be inspired by ideas like justice, fairness, and equality.  But most of all people need to find solidarity and work for example to protect each other.  Again I point to the woman in the You-Tube video calling for a debt revolt.  This is the kind of idea that can build solidarity and cross ideological boundaries.  The woman in the video has become a defacto &quot;leader&quot; by her being fed up enough to take action.  That is how leaders emerge.  No charimsa just ordinary people push to the edge where they finally push back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>U-S-F writes&#8230;<br />
<i>So what we need in USA is a great charismatic leader like Hugo Chavez who can unite into a one single pole, the americans from different ideologies who are worried about their economic present and future.</i></p>
<p>Such an idea and suggestion is a fatal mistake.  Chavez became popular because the condition were ripe for it and it took bold action that inspired people.  For there to be a Chavez the people themselves have to have some degree of solidarity among the population so that they can get behind him.  There is no such level of solidariy in the U.S. today.  That has to be constructed first.  &#8220;Leaders&#8221; emerge from that process not the other way around.</p>
<p>Because in the U.S. people are waiting for charismatic leaders, they can be easily fooled by false leaders like Obama, Chomsky, Cornel West, Al Sharpton, Ron Paul, etc.</p>
<p>People need to be inspired by ideas like justice, fairness, and equality.  But most of all people need to find solidarity and work for example to protect each other.  Again I point to the woman in the You-Tube video calling for a debt revolt.  This is the kind of idea that can build solidarity and cross ideological boundaries.  The woman in the video has become a defacto &#8220;leader&#8221; by her being fed up enough to take action.  That is how leaders emerge.  No charimsa just ordinary people push to the edge where they finally push back.</p>
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		<title>By: balkas b b</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54513</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USF,
Either-Or linguistic structure seldom fits reality. To wit: Either a charismatic leader or we fail {the failure appears tacitly posited}.
I suggest we think of multiple choices regarding a [charismatic or otherwise] leader.
One choice wld be for people to also lead the leader [ship] and in turn be advised and led by the leader.
Another choice wld be not so much whether the leader is deary, but, more importantly, to what degree he suppports basic rights.
How sane the leader is, appears another choice.
in short, we need to learn how to become more interdependent and not with the ruling class, since it had by action spurned interdependence with lower classes while at the same time [as bail out clearly proves] reserved for own class fierce interdependence; i.e., the cooks that spoiled the broth cook another broth. 
The only way lower classes can put any resistance to the despotic class, is to become fiercely interdependent.
Or, to put even more pythily, COSA NOSTRA TWO [us]  MUST  FACE COSA NOSTRA ONE [uncle].
lower classs&#039; cosas mias will never do and never have!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USF,<br />
Either-Or linguistic structure seldom fits reality. To wit: Either a charismatic leader or we fail {the failure appears tacitly posited}.<br />
I suggest we think of multiple choices regarding a [charismatic or otherwise] leader.<br />
One choice wld be for people to also lead the leader [ship] and in turn be advised and led by the leader.<br />
Another choice wld be not so much whether the leader is deary, but, more importantly, to what degree he suppports basic rights.<br />
How sane the leader is, appears another choice.<br />
in short, we need to learn how to become more interdependent and not with the ruling class, since it had by action spurned interdependence with lower classes while at the same time [as bail out clearly proves] reserved for own class fierce interdependence; i.e., the cooks that spoiled the broth cook another broth.<br />
The only way lower classes can put any resistance to the despotic class, is to become fiercely interdependent.<br />
Or, to put even more pythily, COSA NOSTRA TWO [us]  MUST  FACE COSA NOSTRA ONE [uncle].<br />
lower classs&#8217; cosas mias will never do and never have!</p>
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		<title>By: United-Socialist-Front</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54508</link>
		<dc:creator>United-Socialist-Front</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHAT USA NEEDS IS A CHARISMATIC STRONG LEADER WHO CAN UNITE INTO A SINGLE FRONT THE LIBERTARIANS, THE LEFT AND INDEPENDENT AMERICANS WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR ECONOMIC SITUATION !!

Mulga and Don: You know something? Most people in most countries but specifically in the U.S.A who are worried about politics, wether they are Tea Party protestors, or leftists, are beating the bullets economically, feel insecure, anxious and worried about their future. And indeed, the capitalist world system will not collapse today or in the close near future (Bad news).

Which means that the capitalist system will still be alive and providing a lot of wealth for an upper and middle class. (2 right-wing classes which benefit from capitalism).

In the USA even a Mdonalds worker is labeled as a middle-class.  But the real middle-class are the people who own small businesses or have high wages.  But the middle-class doesn&#039;t have any economic limitations and problems.  And that&#039;s why they are not worried.

Most people in the whole world, even in rich countries are part of the poor class, not the middle and upper class. The upper and middle classes are very small in percentage compared to the lower-class.

But USA is a suis generis case.  In USA the majority of people who are lower class citizens still vote for capitalist political parties.  Even though the capitalist political parties (Democrats and Republicans) only benefit the middle and upper class.

And from my own observations, the people in America who are into Tea Party protests, conspiracy-theory websites, into leftist parties, and progressive movements are americans, latinos, blacks etc. who are worried about their economic present and future.  But this percentage of americans is still very small compared to the great majority of americans who are not worried about their economic present and future.

So what we need in USA is a great charismatic leader like Hugo Chavez who can unite into a one single pole, the americans from different ideologies who are worried about their economic present and future.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHAT USA NEEDS IS A CHARISMATIC STRONG LEADER WHO CAN UNITE INTO A SINGLE FRONT THE LIBERTARIANS, THE LEFT AND INDEPENDENT AMERICANS WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR ECONOMIC SITUATION !!</p>
<p>Mulga and Don: You know something? Most people in most countries but specifically in the U.S.A who are worried about politics, wether they are Tea Party protestors, or leftists, are beating the bullets economically, feel insecure, anxious and worried about their future. And indeed, the capitalist world system will not collapse today or in the close near future (Bad news).</p>
<p>Which means that the capitalist system will still be alive and providing a lot of wealth for an upper and middle class. (2 right-wing classes which benefit from capitalism).</p>
<p>In the USA even a Mdonalds worker is labeled as a middle-class.  But the real middle-class are the people who own small businesses or have high wages.  But the middle-class doesn&#8217;t have any economic limitations and problems.  And that&#8217;s why they are not worried.</p>
<p>Most people in the whole world, even in rich countries are part of the poor class, not the middle and upper class. The upper and middle classes are very small in percentage compared to the lower-class.</p>
<p>But USA is a suis generis case.  In USA the majority of people who are lower class citizens still vote for capitalist political parties.  Even though the capitalist political parties (Democrats and Republicans) only benefit the middle and upper class.</p>
<p>And from my own observations, the people in America who are into Tea Party protests, conspiracy-theory websites, into leftist parties, and progressive movements are americans, latinos, blacks etc. who are worried about their economic present and future.  But this percentage of americans is still very small compared to the great majority of americans who are not worried about their economic present and future.</p>
<p>So what we need in USA is a great charismatic leader like Hugo Chavez who can unite into a one single pole, the americans from different ideologies who are worried about their economic present and future.</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54486</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 03:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, after watching the Fox/News inspired &#039;revolt of the morons&#039; from afar, I think that one Biblical quote in particular ought to be amended. A new message from the All High (yes, I do mean Rupert, Lord of the Corpse Flies). &#039;The meek shall inherit nothing. The cretinous shall inherit the earth&#039;. A fatal weakness of &#039;democracy&#039; , even the pseudo-pseudo-democracy of the USA, one well exploited by the Masters, is that everyone gets a vote. Therefore, when it comes to deciding the fate of humanity (and disregarding the other flaws of capitalist democracy, too numerous to mention)a Robert Oppenheimer gets the same vote as a Glenn Beck devotee, or a Rush Limbaugh &#039;ditto-head&#039;. All the rubbish about &#039;democratic equality&#039; is tosh, because the plutocrats despise equality in every other field, so here they are certainly merely disguising their real interest. And that is that they see the ignorance, stupidity and indoctrination of the &#039;tea-party&#039; numb-skulls, endlessly brainwashed by the totally Rightwing mainstream media, as their first line of defence. It saves the bullets for the restless &#039;niggers&#039; and &#039;Injuns&#039; spread across the peripheries of Empire .
                                This is, of course, an immensely wasteful and dangerous way to run a country, let alone a global empire. Relying on ignorance and stupidity requires abandoning huge swathes of society to mediocrity and pointlessness. However, as this tremendously advantages the hereditary elite in garnering the best educations and best paying employment, the dumbing-down of society as a whole is seen as doubly  advantageous for the elite.
                                  The Chinese, alas, being not inclined to sacrifice any talent, and being run by technocrats, advanced through talent and merit, not PR suitability, Zionist patronage or personal wealth, and governing pragmatically and rationally, not to repay their paymasters, and not dependent on periodic election and the monstrous, interminable, follies of lying, smearing, misrepresenting, stoking prejudice and fear that are election campaigns, are advancing rapidly. The day of Uncle Sam&#039;s eclipse hurries near.Contrary to Churchill, &#039;democracy&#039; is not necessarily the least worst solution. Benign autocracy, following utilitarian principles, unbeholden to corrupt elites and where a political career is possible for those so inclined, in the context of a single party (the actual situation in the US, but denied for appearances&#039; sake)is attracting more attention from poor countries, particularly where their &#039;democracy&#039; has been subverted by years of Yankee interference and subversion designed to ensure that the most Rightwing, pro-American party (known as the &#039;democratic forces&#039; by Orwellian convention)is always successful. If the Chinese at some time restore greater equality, as in Mao&#039;s day, and keep a foot on the throat of the capitalist class, keeping them from usurping state power, you&#039;d have a society I&#039;d be happy to live in. And, seeing as the Chinese leadership can actually read scientific papers and comprehend the contents, unlike so many US politicians and media pathocrats, they are turning China&#039;s immense industrial, scientific and technological establishment to the task of de-carbonising industry, while the vested economic interests of the fossil-fuel industry sabotage every effort in the US. In fact I think China is our last, slim, hope to avoid catastrophic anthropogenic climate change. We shall see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, after watching the Fox/News inspired &#8216;revolt of the morons&#8217; from afar, I think that one Biblical quote in particular ought to be amended. A new message from the All High (yes, I do mean Rupert, Lord of the Corpse Flies). &#8216;The meek shall inherit nothing. The cretinous shall inherit the earth&#8217;. A fatal weakness of &#8216;democracy&#8217; , even the pseudo-pseudo-democracy of the USA, one well exploited by the Masters, is that everyone gets a vote. Therefore, when it comes to deciding the fate of humanity (and disregarding the other flaws of capitalist democracy, too numerous to mention)a Robert Oppenheimer gets the same vote as a Glenn Beck devotee, or a Rush Limbaugh &#8216;ditto-head&#8217;. All the rubbish about &#8216;democratic equality&#8217; is tosh, because the plutocrats despise equality in every other field, so here they are certainly merely disguising their real interest. And that is that they see the ignorance, stupidity and indoctrination of the &#8216;tea-party&#8217; numb-skulls, endlessly brainwashed by the totally Rightwing mainstream media, as their first line of defence. It saves the bullets for the restless &#8216;niggers&#8217; and &#8216;Injuns&#8217; spread across the peripheries of Empire .<br />
                                This is, of course, an immensely wasteful and dangerous way to run a country, let alone a global empire. Relying on ignorance and stupidity requires abandoning huge swathes of society to mediocrity and pointlessness. However, as this tremendously advantages the hereditary elite in garnering the best educations and best paying employment, the dumbing-down of society as a whole is seen as doubly  advantageous for the elite.<br />
                                  The Chinese, alas, being not inclined to sacrifice any talent, and being run by technocrats, advanced through talent and merit, not PR suitability, Zionist patronage or personal wealth, and governing pragmatically and rationally, not to repay their paymasters, and not dependent on periodic election and the monstrous, interminable, follies of lying, smearing, misrepresenting, stoking prejudice and fear that are election campaigns, are advancing rapidly. The day of Uncle Sam&#8217;s eclipse hurries near.Contrary to Churchill, &#8216;democracy&#8217; is not necessarily the least worst solution. Benign autocracy, following utilitarian principles, unbeholden to corrupt elites and where a political career is possible for those so inclined, in the context of a single party (the actual situation in the US, but denied for appearances&#8217; sake)is attracting more attention from poor countries, particularly where their &#8216;democracy&#8217; has been subverted by years of Yankee interference and subversion designed to ensure that the most Rightwing, pro-American party (known as the &#8216;democratic forces&#8217; by Orwellian convention)is always successful. If the Chinese at some time restore greater equality, as in Mao&#8217;s day, and keep a foot on the throat of the capitalist class, keeping them from usurping state power, you&#8217;d have a society I&#8217;d be happy to live in. And, seeing as the Chinese leadership can actually read scientific papers and comprehend the contents, unlike so many US politicians and media pathocrats, they are turning China&#8217;s immense industrial, scientific and technological establishment to the task of de-carbonising industry, while the vested economic interests of the fossil-fuel industry sabotage every effort in the US. In fact I think China is our last, slim, hope to avoid catastrophic anthropogenic climate change. We shall see.</p>
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		<title>By: balkas b b</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54460</link>
		<dc:creator>balkas b b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>usf,
i found out that praying to an [dumb or wise] owl, wise or dumb god/devil duopoly,  brings ab. the same result: nichevo, nichts, nada, naught, nishta! 
Do not believe; perceive[looksee] Remember that jesus had said or s&#039;mbody put it in his mouth: Ye shall always have poor anongst u. And over which utterance  rich people  rejoice! 
According to this mad judean/aramean/edomite/amonite, eterne poverty is OK with his/her god! Some god??? tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>usf,<br />
i found out that praying to an [dumb or wise] owl, wise or dumb god/devil duopoly,  brings ab. the same result: nichevo, nichts, nada, naught, nishta!<br />
Do not believe; perceive[looksee] Remember that jesus had said or s&#8217;mbody put it in his mouth: Ye shall always have poor anongst u. And over which utterance  rich people  rejoice!<br />
According to this mad judean/aramean/edomite/amonite, eterne poverty is OK with his/her god! Some god??? tnx</p>
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		<title>By: United-Socialist-Front</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54441</link>
		<dc:creator>United-Socialist-Front</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn Annie, i dont like telling people what to do, but i don&#039;t think that insults and offenses against the US government will really change the way US government is (A plutocracy).  We need a serious plan.

Oppressed poor americans need to unite into a United Front.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn Annie, i dont like telling people what to do, but i don&#8217;t think that insults and offenses against the US government will really change the way US government is (A plutocracy).  We need a serious plan.</p>
<p>Oppressed poor americans need to unite into a United Front.</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: balkas b b</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54421</link>
		<dc:creator>balkas b b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi don, wld u please join me in prayer to god, gods, devil, or devils to make us real bad; like the best terrorists ever made by gods/devils.
yes, don, devils also have a say how the earthlings shld be treated or how much brains they get.

By being best terrorists we cld cut all tv cables; put invisible stinkers in movie houses; protect all trees destined for pulp and thus to paper and all products made of paper.
We can wash our bums with cloth and holy water; thus no more baptism. 
Ok! This will do for starters. tnx for any cooperation or suggestion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi don, wld u please join me in prayer to god, gods, devil, or devils to make us real bad; like the best terrorists ever made by gods/devils.<br />
yes, don, devils also have a say how the earthlings shld be treated or how much brains they get.</p>
<p>By being best terrorists we cld cut all tv cables; put invisible stinkers in movie houses; protect all trees destined for pulp and thus to paper and all products made of paper.<br />
We can wash our bums with cloth and holy water; thus no more baptism.<br />
Ok! This will do for starters. tnx for any cooperation or suggestion!</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Ladysmith</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54418</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie Ladysmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There should be a crap party in DC one day at the Capital with a follow up another day at the white house.  People should take their most recent crap and after chanting 3 times, &quot;WHAT ARE WE GETTING, CRAP.  WHAT ARE WE GIVING, CRAP!, all the crap should be thrown at the Capital and then the white house.  If you don&#039;t want to use your own crap your dogs crap will do fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should be a crap party in DC one day at the Capital with a follow up another day at the white house.  People should take their most recent crap and after chanting 3 times, &#8220;WHAT ARE WE GETTING, CRAP.  WHAT ARE WE GIVING, CRAP!, all the crap should be thrown at the Capital and then the white house.  If you don&#8217;t want to use your own crap your dogs crap will do fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54416</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tea party&#039;s are happening in DC today at the Capital.  Did they get a permit?  Who are these people who organized this well they call themselves freedom work&#039;s.  Clever little people. Fox News or Rupert the man and Steve Forbes and think a little bigger like big Parma and big coal, big oil, big gas, big manufacturing.  These people want to keep the status quo as we all go down the drain in not such slow motion.  The people who are now at this get together have been brainwashed into believing these people care about them and there children you know there future.  These big people care about money and power and going out in style so that&#039;s what they call it while bullshiting as many people as they can on the way out.  The very people at this get together the only thing they will get is to watch the big people go out in style as they go down the drain.  Next of course is cap and trade and sure more brainwashing. So far they seem to be stopping an progress as they laugh at the very people who think they are so great.  Clever little people and ugly.  I am looking at the signs right now on TV like say no to Socialism or stop the spending no new tax&#039;s.  My favorite is freedom isn&#039;t free.  I guess later today Glenn Beck and Hannity will be running around on the stage and someone with a big white hat singing God bless America and if the truth be known these very people should say thank you thank you we love you very very much and your all total idiot&#039;s that we have just bullshited to the max thank you very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tea party&#8217;s are happening in DC today at the Capital.  Did they get a permit?  Who are these people who organized this well they call themselves freedom work&#8217;s.  Clever little people. Fox News or Rupert the man and Steve Forbes and think a little bigger like big Parma and big coal, big oil, big gas, big manufacturing.  These people want to keep the status quo as we all go down the drain in not such slow motion.  The people who are now at this get together have been brainwashed into believing these people care about them and there children you know there future.  These big people care about money and power and going out in style so that&#8217;s what they call it while bullshiting as many people as they can on the way out.  The very people at this get together the only thing they will get is to watch the big people go out in style as they go down the drain.  Next of course is cap and trade and sure more brainwashing. So far they seem to be stopping an progress as they laugh at the very people who think they are so great.  Clever little people and ugly.  I am looking at the signs right now on TV like say no to Socialism or stop the spending no new tax&#8217;s.  My favorite is freedom isn&#8217;t free.  I guess later today Glenn Beck and Hannity will be running around on the stage and someone with a big white hat singing God bless America and if the truth be known these very people should say thank you thank you we love you very very much and your all total idiot&#8217;s that we have just bullshited to the max thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54407</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know we’re firmly ensconced in bizarro world when America’s rulers can prosecute illegal warfare, torture people, shred the Constitution, steal us blind, out secret agents, strong-arm massive corporate welfare and let an entire city drown, yet it’s not until affordable universal healthcare is (ostensibly) proposed that that is the moment herds of screaming, puerile, manipulated-to-the-max neo-brownshirts decide their beloved America — the one that’s only truly ever existed in John Wayne movies, by the way — is under socialistic siege, subsequently demonstrating their suddenly-uncontainable umbrage by throwing big-time, small-minded pissy fits at faux town hall meetings.  Mark 

 Pissy fits from neo-brownshirts and more on the way and they seem like such nice people knowledgeable with the wisdom of the ancients well dressed and look how well they work together.  We sure have come along way in bizarro world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know we’re firmly ensconced in bizarro world when America’s rulers can prosecute illegal warfare, torture people, shred the Constitution, steal us blind, out secret agents, strong-arm massive corporate welfare and let an entire city drown, yet it’s not until affordable universal healthcare is (ostensibly) proposed that that is the moment herds of screaming, puerile, manipulated-to-the-max neo-brownshirts decide their beloved America — the one that’s only truly ever existed in John Wayne movies, by the way — is under socialistic siege, subsequently demonstrating their suddenly-uncontainable umbrage by throwing big-time, small-minded pissy fits at faux town hall meetings.  Mark </p>
<p> Pissy fits from neo-brownshirts and more on the way and they seem like such nice people knowledgeable with the wisdom of the ancients well dressed and look how well they work together.  We sure have come along way in bizarro world.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/regression-depression/#comment-54405</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WASHINGTON — The Obama administration’s senior negotiator on global warming warned Thursday that developed and developing nations remained deeply divided in talks on reducing greenhouse gases and that time was running out before United Nations treaty negotiations in December.

The negotiator, Todd Stern, the State Department special envoy on the issue, told a Congressional panel that it was critical that Congress act on proposed energy and global warming legislation to demonstrate the nation’s willingness to play its part in reducing harmful emissions.

“Let me say bluntly that the tenor of negotiations in the formal U.N. track has been difficult,” Mr. Stern told the House Select Committee for Energy Independence and Global Warming. “Developing countries tend to see a problem not of their own making that they are being asked to fix in ways which, they fear, could stifle their ability to lift their standards of living.” 

“Developed countries,” he said, “tend to see an unforgiving problem with potentially grave and irreversible consequences and that cannot be solved without the full participation of developing countries, particularly China and the other emerging market economies.”

Mr. Stern said China, India, Brazil and other rapidly industrializing countries were taking significant unilateral steps to slow the growth of emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases that contribute to the warming of the planet. He said their efforts in some cases outstripped those of the United States and some other advanced economies.


“It is critical that the Senate now do its part to move this process forward in a timely manner,” Mr. Stern said. “Nothing the United States can do is more important for the international negotiation process than passing robust, comprehensive clean energy legislation as soon as possible.”  NYT

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WASHINGTON — The Obama administration’s senior negotiator on global warming warned Thursday that developed and developing nations remained deeply divided in talks on reducing greenhouse gases and that time was running out before United Nations treaty negotiations in December.</p>
<p>The negotiator, Todd Stern, the State Department special envoy on the issue, told a Congressional panel that it was critical that Congress act on proposed energy and global warming legislation to demonstrate the nation’s willingness to play its part in reducing harmful emissions.</p>
<p>“Let me say bluntly that the tenor of negotiations in the formal U.N. track has been difficult,” Mr. Stern told the House Select Committee for Energy Independence and Global Warming. “Developing countries tend to see a problem not of their own making that they are being asked to fix in ways which, they fear, could stifle their ability to lift their standards of living.” </p>
<p>“Developed countries,” he said, “tend to see an unforgiving problem with potentially grave and irreversible consequences and that cannot be solved without the full participation of developing countries, particularly China and the other emerging market economies.”</p>
<p>Mr. Stern said China, India, Brazil and other rapidly industrializing countries were taking significant unilateral steps to slow the growth of emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases that contribute to the warming of the planet. He said their efforts in some cases outstripped those of the United States and some other advanced economies.</p>
<p>“It is critical that the Senate now do its part to move this process forward in a timely manner,” Mr. Stern said. “Nothing the United States can do is more important for the international negotiation process than passing robust, comprehensive clean energy legislation as soon as possible.”  NYT</p>
<p>      Worried about the economy&#8217;s are they well the fate of the human race and the greatest show on Earth starting in twenty years in a very big way as it has already started for many already. It&#8217;s a hoax sorry wrong number the hoax is still so called leaders and second grade level thinking. </p>
<p>  Maybe it&#8217;s just me.</p>
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