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		<title>By: Campbell</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-59458</link>
		<dc:creator>Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amazing to read - as a Classical Liberal, this is very familiar to me.  There was a huge political movement that used Liberal ideology as its standard, and we got very excited about it.  Remember in 2001, we had a president who promised to end foreign entanglements, to never engage in &quot;nation-building&quot;, and to improve lives the way Liberals think lives can best be improved.  We all know how well those promises were kept, but amazingly the brand still identifies with those Classical Liberal values.

In 2008 many Liberals felt like we had the potential for a presidential candidate that could &#039;take back&#039; the GOP from it&#039;s deceitful leadership . Ron Paul - whatever you think of his politics - was a legitimate grassroots phenomenon on an incredible scale.  We thought - even after Palin - that whatever happened, those Classical Liberal values had flexed their muscles.   We thought that the party HAD to start catering to our wants. 

The word you&#039;re looking for is &quot;co-opted.&quot;  A grassroots movement that gets legitimized by mainstream leadership, and then moves in a totally different direction.  When you get frustrated with Brand Obama, think of us poor Classical Liberals on the other side of the political spectrum. Think about how we have to watch Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Sarah Palin make a mockery of our ideals.  These people take our words and remove their meaning, applying their own brand of insanity to them.  

Wait for it.  It&#039;s just beginning.  Pretty soon you&#039;ll feel a lack of identification with the words &quot;leftist&quot; and the popular use of &quot;liberal,&quot; because those words now mean &quot;Obama-ist&quot;.  &quot;Anti-war&quot; now means &quot;supporter of Obama&#039;s &#039;withdrawal&#039;&quot;, &quot;health reformer&quot; now means &quot;supporter of Obama&#039;s health bill.&quot;  

I sympathize.  I really do.  All the words I used to use to self-identify now mean &quot;nutball,&quot; &quot;idiot,&quot; and - worst of all - &quot;Glenn Beck fan.&quot;  And I can&#039;t do anything about it, except hunt political nomenclature from 150 years ago and use that to self-identify instead.  Fucking sucks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing to read &#8211; as a Classical Liberal, this is very familiar to me.  There was a huge political movement that used Liberal ideology as its standard, and we got very excited about it.  Remember in 2001, we had a president who promised to end foreign entanglements, to never engage in &#8220;nation-building&#8221;, and to improve lives the way Liberals think lives can best be improved.  We all know how well those promises were kept, but amazingly the brand still identifies with those Classical Liberal values.</p>
<p>In 2008 many Liberals felt like we had the potential for a presidential candidate that could &#8216;take back&#8217; the GOP from it&#8217;s deceitful leadership . Ron Paul &#8211; whatever you think of his politics &#8211; was a legitimate grassroots phenomenon on an incredible scale.  We thought &#8211; even after Palin &#8211; that whatever happened, those Classical Liberal values had flexed their muscles.   We thought that the party HAD to start catering to our wants. </p>
<p>The word you&#8217;re looking for is &#8220;co-opted.&#8221;  A grassroots movement that gets legitimized by mainstream leadership, and then moves in a totally different direction.  When you get frustrated with Brand Obama, think of us poor Classical Liberals on the other side of the political spectrum. Think about how we have to watch Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Sarah Palin make a mockery of our ideals.  These people take our words and remove their meaning, applying their own brand of insanity to them.  </p>
<p>Wait for it.  It&#8217;s just beginning.  Pretty soon you&#8217;ll feel a lack of identification with the words &#8220;leftist&#8221; and the popular use of &#8220;liberal,&#8221; because those words now mean &#8220;Obama-ist&#8221;.  &#8220;Anti-war&#8221; now means &#8220;supporter of Obama&#8217;s &#8216;withdrawal&#8217;&#8221;, &#8220;health reformer&#8221; now means &#8220;supporter of Obama&#8217;s health bill.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I sympathize.  I really do.  All the words I used to use to self-identify now mean &#8220;nutball,&#8221; &#8220;idiot,&#8221; and &#8211; worst of all &#8211; &#8220;Glenn Beck fan.&#8221;  And I can&#8217;t do anything about it, except hunt political nomenclature from 150 years ago and use that to self-identify instead.  Fucking sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-55149</link>
		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are some very interesting coments here about cllimate change, however no-one sems to have raised the issue of population growth and the impact this is begining to have and will increasingly have in the future. The worlds population is growing at an alarming rate-faster than the ability to produce consistent supplies of food and water. This is particularly the case in so called third world countries.  The incidence of droughts and famines are increasing. But  we  are no longer checked by nature through mass starvation and widespread disease to the extent in former times(I do not advocate a return to this) and aid agencies are stretched to the limit.Here in the West as the period of industrialisation began to guarantee food supplies and better control of disease and a longer life span there was a corresponding reduction of births. The rest of the world is begining to industrialise and there is a lot of investment in primary health care. However there has been no corresponding reduction in births. As I say I do not advocate standing back and allowing nature to take its course but the pressure on the worlds resources from the explosion of the worlds population must figure in any discussion of climate change and managing the earths resources over the longer term. All wars contain an element of a struggle to control natural resources but , this is no more an answer than allowing a famine to  do its worst. If we do not take this issue seriously and the population continues to increase at the rate it is the human race  may become a victim of its own success and die out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some very interesting coments here about cllimate change, however no-one sems to have raised the issue of population growth and the impact this is begining to have and will increasingly have in the future. The worlds population is growing at an alarming rate-faster than the ability to produce consistent supplies of food and water. This is particularly the case in so called third world countries.  The incidence of droughts and famines are increasing. But  we  are no longer checked by nature through mass starvation and widespread disease to the extent in former times(I do not advocate a return to this) and aid agencies are stretched to the limit.Here in the West as the period of industrialisation began to guarantee food supplies and better control of disease and a longer life span there was a corresponding reduction of births. The rest of the world is begining to industrialise and there is a lot of investment in primary health care. However there has been no corresponding reduction in births. As I say I do not advocate standing back and allowing nature to take its course but the pressure on the worlds resources from the explosion of the worlds population must figure in any discussion of climate change and managing the earths resources over the longer term. All wars contain an element of a struggle to control natural resources but , this is no more an answer than allowing a famine to  do its worst. If we do not take this issue seriously and the population continues to increase at the rate it is the human race  may become a victim of its own success and die out.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53773</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Watched Glenn Beck on Fox News tonight and he had on David Horowitz and Rush.  Again third grade level thinking.  Of course they think Obama is far left and probably a Communist.  They are Capitalists and just trying to keep America free. Well fellows good luck on that one.  Man these people are nut&#039;s.  I mean so far the economy is a good one just cover up the problem.  The problem is the pie is only so big and yes you can make it bigger with illusion and very hard to eat illusion.  With climate change the pie get&#039;s smaller and now you have I guess the right mean people who want a big piece of the pie that&#039;s just the way they are and at least we know where they are Fox New&#039;s.  The left want&#039;s to give the pie to more people but the so called leaders of the left want a big piece of the pie before it goes out to the other people that&#039;s us. Somehow I don&#039;t think this will work out well so far. The last study I put on a comment on this article nails it down and we are all in deep do do screwed. What is being done to slow the problem well talk and then more talk then it&#039;s time for lunch and have some pie and then maybe go on TV and tell people strange things that some could call bullshit from a group of asshole&#039;s.  Is this to complex will I watch the History Channel.  One idea on climate change we tax carbon and tax it hard and or nationalize these means of production and fast then return some of the money to the people that us again. Who would not like this idea well on Fox New&#039;s is the best place to see them but they are on all the channels.  I want more pie give me pie that&#039;s my pie you can&#039;t have any it&#039;s all mine I don&#039;t share.  Think of this as kind of a war calm at peace.  Cap and trade is a joke on the human race and it&#039;s next for town hall meetings.  Kind of a choice at no choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watched Glenn Beck on Fox News tonight and he had on David Horowitz and Rush.  Again third grade level thinking.  Of course they think Obama is far left and probably a Communist.  They are Capitalists and just trying to keep America free. Well fellows good luck on that one.  Man these people are nut&#8217;s.  I mean so far the economy is a good one just cover up the problem.  The problem is the pie is only so big and yes you can make it bigger with illusion and very hard to eat illusion.  With climate change the pie get&#8217;s smaller and now you have I guess the right mean people who want a big piece of the pie that&#8217;s just the way they are and at least we know where they are Fox New&#8217;s.  The left want&#8217;s to give the pie to more people but the so called leaders of the left want a big piece of the pie before it goes out to the other people that&#8217;s us. Somehow I don&#8217;t think this will work out well so far. The last study I put on a comment on this article nails it down and we are all in deep do do screwed. What is being done to slow the problem well talk and then more talk then it&#8217;s time for lunch and have some pie and then maybe go on TV and tell people strange things that some could call bullshit from a group of asshole&#8217;s.  Is this to complex will I watch the History Channel.  One idea on climate change we tax carbon and tax it hard and or nationalize these means of production and fast then return some of the money to the people that us again. Who would not like this idea well on Fox New&#8217;s is the best place to see them but they are on all the channels.  I want more pie give me pie that&#8217;s my pie you can&#8217;t have any it&#8217;s all mine I don&#8217;t share.  Think of this as kind of a war calm at peace.  Cap and trade is a joke on the human race and it&#8217;s next for town hall meetings.  Kind of a choice at no choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53758</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[B99 writes...

&lt;i&gt;Our society is deeply divided along class and race lines. Those who are privileged hold it against those who are not. The changes will come only with realignment of priorities – when the white working class rejects privilege as illusory and joins with their natural allies, blacks and Hispanics to force a better deal. There will be no advances in quality of life for the bulk of the American people, never mind socialism – until the racial barriers are actively dismantled.&lt;/i&gt;

Very true and extremely accurate B99.  We see this split among the most &quot;progressive&quot; forces.  And if they are divided along race and class, building trust and solidarity will be extremely difficult to achieve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B99 writes&#8230;</p>
<p><i>Our society is deeply divided along class and race lines. Those who are privileged hold it against those who are not. The changes will come only with realignment of priorities – when the white working class rejects privilege as illusory and joins with their natural allies, blacks and Hispanics to force a better deal. There will be no advances in quality of life for the bulk of the American people, never mind socialism – until the racial barriers are actively dismantled.</i></p>
<p>Very true and extremely accurate B99.  We see this split among the most &#8220;progressive&#8221; forces.  And if they are divided along race and class, building trust and solidarity will be extremely difficult to achieve.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Hue, you&#039;re correct. Once the responsibility for the mega-fire catastrophe (the third mega-fire in Victoria since 2000, but the first to cause mass casualties)of climate change became clear, the anthropogenic climate change denialists had to resort to lying, pronto. They are good at it! The thirteen years of unprecedented drought (followed this year by the 17th out of the last 19 autumns with below average rainfall)the record dryness of the first five weeks of 2009, the lowest humidity ever recorded in Victoria, several consecutive days above 43* Celsius, followed by the hottest day ever recorded in Victoria (46.9*) accompanied by hurricane-force winds, were all totally dismissed. The fault was not of climate change, let along the denialist vermin who have done so much to ensure the coming apocalypse, but of environmentalists. A typical example of Rightwing projection, of course, characterised by that ineffable combination of mendacity, imbecility and arrogance we can confidently expect from the Right. The &#039;Greens&#039; were blamed for the lack of &#039;hazard reduction&#039; burning, a lie, as more hazard reduction has occurred over recent years than ever before. In fact the limiting factor on hazard reduction has been the dangerous condition of the bush, which has been tinder dry even in winter, the traditional burning season. But, of course, in the sewer of human perfidy and cretinism that is the Rightwing media here (ie the vast majority of the mainstream media) this lunatic message was soon being rammed down our throats. This of course is not how our world ends, but how it is already ending. As the disasters mount, as the wildfires blaze, as the typhoons create greater and greater,&#039; unexpected and unprecedented&#039; havoc, as the coral reefs crumble, as temperature records tumble (the record for August temperatures in Alice Springs, in the centre of the country, were smashed on three consecutive days last month)the Rightwing psychopaths will just go on lying, as ever. Why they do it, is work for the students of human psychopathology. Why we continue to tolerate it, is another wretched conundrum entirely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Hue, you&#8217;re correct. Once the responsibility for the mega-fire catastrophe (the third mega-fire in Victoria since 2000, but the first to cause mass casualties)of climate change became clear, the anthropogenic climate change denialists had to resort to lying, pronto. They are good at it! The thirteen years of unprecedented drought (followed this year by the 17th out of the last 19 autumns with below average rainfall)the record dryness of the first five weeks of 2009, the lowest humidity ever recorded in Victoria, several consecutive days above 43* Celsius, followed by the hottest day ever recorded in Victoria (46.9*) accompanied by hurricane-force winds, were all totally dismissed. The fault was not of climate change, let along the denialist vermin who have done so much to ensure the coming apocalypse, but of environmentalists. A typical example of Rightwing projection, of course, characterised by that ineffable combination of mendacity, imbecility and arrogance we can confidently expect from the Right. The &#8216;Greens&#8217; were blamed for the lack of &#8216;hazard reduction&#8217; burning, a lie, as more hazard reduction has occurred over recent years than ever before. In fact the limiting factor on hazard reduction has been the dangerous condition of the bush, which has been tinder dry even in winter, the traditional burning season. But, of course, in the sewer of human perfidy and cretinism that is the Rightwing media here (ie the vast majority of the mainstream media) this lunatic message was soon being rammed down our throats. This of course is not how our world ends, but how it is already ending. As the disasters mount, as the wildfires blaze, as the typhoons create greater and greater,&#8217; unexpected and unprecedented&#8217; havoc, as the coral reefs crumble, as temperature records tumble (the record for August temperatures in Alice Springs, in the centre of the country, were smashed on three consecutive days last month)the Rightwing psychopaths will just go on lying, as ever. Why they do it, is work for the students of human psychopathology. Why we continue to tolerate it, is another wretched conundrum entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53752</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rendezvous in Copenhagen
Saturday 29 August 2009
by: Hervé Kempf  Le Monde

Hervé Kempf&#039;s recipe for the success of climate change negotiations: &quot;Proclaim that we must redistribute wealth and put a ceiling on income by establishing a maximum allowable income.&quot;  
    Nice summer, countryside, seaside, love affairs, all is going well? Heat wave, full airplanes, highway traffic jams. The summer routine. Factories have closed? Hmm. We got a good rest. And ... now everyone is back. 
    For ecology, the comeback takes the form of a countdown: In less than 100 days the Copenhagen Conference on Climate Change will open. A historical, magical, civilizational, vital rendezvous (prepare yourself for grandiloquence). Cohorts of diplomats are going to converge on Denmark in December, and, no doubt, a plethora of activists, militants, citizens - they&#039;re expecting 100,000 people! 
   
 The goal of the hubbub: to develop the treaty that will succeed the Kyoto Protocol in order to organize the international struggle against climate change. At stake: Will the industrialized countries commit to drastically reducing their greenhouse gas emissions in exchange for emerging countries&#039; commitment to limit their own? Report card: The negotiation is blocked. Barack Obama, tangled up in his health care reform, is unlikely to get his proposed climate law voted on before December. Suddenly, US diplomats are putting on the brakes. China and India respond: As long as you don&#039;t budge, we&#039;re not budging. 
    
Will this logjam be broken? We&#039;ll see. But basically, the key is not to be found in the great powers&#039; game. Or rather, the geostrategic reading has no meaning if it neglects the division of social forces in the wealthy countries. Thus is the lock that must be opened situated at the heart of the operation of contemporary capitalism. Of course, you&#039;ve heard people talk about the bonus issue. Of what is it the symptom? Of the fact that the richest people obstinately refuse to question their privileges. 
   
 Now, if we seriously want to battle climate change, it&#039;s necessary that all of society put itself to the task. Whether we like it or not, that means a reduction in material consumption. But it&#039;s impossible for the middle classes to agree to move towards sobriety as long as the ruling classes don&#039;t agree to seriously reduce their lifestyle. 
   
 Breaking with decades of the culture of consumption is already very difficult; it becomes unbearable if the transformation is not equitably shared. Consequently, preventing climate change presupposes a profound reconsideration of the social system. Precisely that against which the United States oligarchy is uniting - by blocking health care reform before trying to derail the climate law - but also Europe&#039;s, as the whole bonus comedy illustrates. The result: a weak diplomatic position and the stalemate of the climate negotiation. 
    
You want to succeed in Copenhagen? Proclaim that we must redistribute wealth and put a ceiling on income by establishing a maximum allowable income.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rendezvous in Copenhagen<br />
Saturday 29 August 2009<br />
by: Hervé Kempf  Le Monde</p>
<p>Hervé Kempf&#8217;s recipe for the success of climate change negotiations: &#8220;Proclaim that we must redistribute wealth and put a ceiling on income by establishing a maximum allowable income.&#8221;<br />
    Nice summer, countryside, seaside, love affairs, all is going well? Heat wave, full airplanes, highway traffic jams. The summer routine. Factories have closed? Hmm. We got a good rest. And &#8230; now everyone is back.<br />
    For ecology, the comeback takes the form of a countdown: In less than 100 days the Copenhagen Conference on Climate Change will open. A historical, magical, civilizational, vital rendezvous (prepare yourself for grandiloquence). Cohorts of diplomats are going to converge on Denmark in December, and, no doubt, a plethora of activists, militants, citizens &#8211; they&#8217;re expecting 100,000 people! </p>
<p> The goal of the hubbub: to develop the treaty that will succeed the Kyoto Protocol in order to organize the international struggle against climate change. At stake: Will the industrialized countries commit to drastically reducing their greenhouse gas emissions in exchange for emerging countries&#8217; commitment to limit their own? Report card: The negotiation is blocked. Barack Obama, tangled up in his health care reform, is unlikely to get his proposed climate law voted on before December. Suddenly, US diplomats are putting on the brakes. China and India respond: As long as you don&#8217;t budge, we&#8217;re not budging. </p>
<p>Will this logjam be broken? We&#8217;ll see. But basically, the key is not to be found in the great powers&#8217; game. Or rather, the geostrategic reading has no meaning if it neglects the division of social forces in the wealthy countries. Thus is the lock that must be opened situated at the heart of the operation of contemporary capitalism. Of course, you&#8217;ve heard people talk about the bonus issue. Of what is it the symptom? Of the fact that the richest people obstinately refuse to question their privileges. </p>
<p> Now, if we seriously want to battle climate change, it&#8217;s necessary that all of society put itself to the task. Whether we like it or not, that means a reduction in material consumption. But it&#8217;s impossible for the middle classes to agree to move towards sobriety as long as the ruling classes don&#8217;t agree to seriously reduce their lifestyle. </p>
<p> Breaking with decades of the culture of consumption is already very difficult; it becomes unbearable if the transformation is not equitably shared. Consequently, preventing climate change presupposes a profound reconsideration of the social system. Precisely that against which the United States oligarchy is uniting &#8211; by blocking health care reform before trying to derail the climate law &#8211; but also Europe&#8217;s, as the whole bonus comedy illustrates. The result: a weak diplomatic position and the stalemate of the climate negotiation. </p>
<p>You want to succeed in Copenhagen? Proclaim that we must redistribute wealth and put a ceiling on income by establishing a maximum allowable income.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Pilter is ok but he never touches the jewish relation to anything at all.
Why is that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Pilter is ok but he never touches the jewish relation to anything at all.<br />
Why is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Corseri</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53737</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Corseri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A magnificent piece by John Pilger--journalist, cinemast, director--a sterling conscience of the West.

Pilger is never polyannaish.  He knows history--and adduces the historical record here--,he knows the vagaries of the human heart and mind.  He understands the power of myth and modern propaganda-- built on the theories of Bernays and others--to seduce, confuse, enrapture, terrify and conquer.  He also knows the yin and yang of human history and he makes a cogent cri de coeur here to all men and women of conscience, yearning for justice--a cogent case to keep the faith, prepare for the long struggle, honor those comrades who have advanced the cause before us by persevering with knowledge, cunning and wisdom.

Muchas gracias, Sr. Pilger!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A magnificent piece by John Pilger&#8211;journalist, cinemast, director&#8211;a sterling conscience of the West.</p>
<p>Pilger is never polyannaish.  He knows history&#8211;and adduces the historical record here&#8211;,he knows the vagaries of the human heart and mind.  He understands the power of myth and modern propaganda&#8211; built on the theories of Bernays and others&#8211;to seduce, confuse, enrapture, terrify and conquer.  He also knows the yin and yang of human history and he makes a cogent cri de coeur here to all men and women of conscience, yearning for justice&#8211;a cogent case to keep the faith, prepare for the long struggle, honor those comrades who have advanced the cause before us by persevering with knowledge, cunning and wisdom.</p>
<p>Muchas gracias, Sr. Pilger!</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[theone, well said,
However, present talmudniks, mishnahiks, and mosheists have not connection of any kind, save cultish, to hebrews or canaan. tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>theone, well said,<br />
However, present talmudniks, mishnahiks, and mosheists have not connection of any kind, save cultish, to hebrews or canaan. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53724</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, for a long time now [but i didn&#039;t once] i have considered americans as people. And there is only one specie of people.
And all peoples and people can be deceived! Think of serbs and germans with their wishes to bring all serbs and all germans in their respective  countries.
Think of japan and its &#039;right&#039; to annex much of asia and pacific islands.
Then there is ottoman, roman, egyptian, chaldean, akkadian, persian, greek, UK, et al empires.

All gone! And all that killings/maimings/burnings in vain and in infinity of time, ephemeral in duration.

The question arises, Will US succeed? Yes, i think US can succeed now because world plutos are not waging wars against one another but against poor people and peoples.

Possibly only russia and china stand in the way. And neither china nor russia can expect any help from the christo-islamo-talmudic world.
In fact, the two &#039;evil&#039; empires may encounter open emnity and warfare from most &#039;pious&#039; people.
So much for piety! tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, for a long time now [but i didn't once] i have considered americans as people. And there is only one specie of people.<br />
And all peoples and people can be deceived! Think of serbs and germans with their wishes to bring all serbs and all germans in their respective  countries.<br />
Think of japan and its &#8216;right&#8217; to annex much of asia and pacific islands.<br />
Then there is ottoman, roman, egyptian, chaldean, akkadian, persian, greek, UK, et al empires.</p>
<p>All gone! And all that killings/maimings/burnings in vain and in infinity of time, ephemeral in duration.</p>
<p>The question arises, Will US succeed? Yes, i think US can succeed now because world plutos are not waging wars against one another but against poor people and peoples.</p>
<p>Possibly only russia and china stand in the way. And neither china nor russia can expect any help from the christo-islamo-talmudic world.<br />
In fact, the two &#8216;evil&#8217; empires may encounter open emnity and warfare from most &#8216;pious&#8217; people.<br />
So much for piety! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: theone23ord</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53723</link>
		<dc:creator>theone23ord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Jewish people as a whole will become its own Messiah. It will attain world dominion by the dissolution of other races, by the abolition of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy and by the establishment of a world republic in which the Jews will everywhere exercise the privilege of citizenship.

In this New World Order the children of Israel will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition. The Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will fall without difficulty into the hands of the Jews. It will then be possible for the Jewish rulers to abolish private property and everywhere to make use of the resources of the state. Thus will the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, in which is said that when the Messianic time is come, the Jews will have all the property of the whole world in their hands.&quot;

— Baruch Levy, Letter to Karl Marx, &#039;La Revue de Paris&#039;, p.574, June 1, 1928]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Jewish people as a whole will become its own Messiah. It will attain world dominion by the dissolution of other races, by the abolition of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy and by the establishment of a world republic in which the Jews will everywhere exercise the privilege of citizenship.</p>
<p>In this New World Order the children of Israel will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition. The Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will fall without difficulty into the hands of the Jews. It will then be possible for the Jewish rulers to abolish private property and everywhere to make use of the resources of the state. Thus will the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, in which is said that when the Messianic time is come, the Jews will have all the property of the whole world in their hands.&#8221;</p>
<p>— Baruch Levy, Letter to Karl Marx, &#8216;La Revue de Paris&#8217;, p.574, June 1, 1928</p>
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		<title>By: theone23ord</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53722</link>
		<dc:creator>theone23ord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .

I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . .

The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews.

The anti-Semites shall be our best friends” 

— Theodor Herzl, Founder of Zionism in 1897]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .</p>
<p>I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . .</p>
<p>The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews.</p>
<p>The anti-Semites shall be our best friends” </p>
<p>— Theodor Herzl, Founder of Zionism in 1897</p>
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		<title>By: theone23ord</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53721</link>
		<dc:creator>theone23ord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If a Gentile exposes Zionism, they are called &quot;anti-semitic&quot; which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide the Zionists actions.

But, if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, they resort to other tactics.

First, they ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.

If the information starts reaching too many people, they ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.

If that doesn&#039;t work, their next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn&#039;t been involved in sufficient scandal they are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.

If none of these are effective, they are known to resort to physical attacks.

But, NEVER do they try to prove the information wrong.

Jack Bernstein, (assassinated by MOSSAD)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a Gentile exposes Zionism, they are called &#8220;anti-semitic&#8221; which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide the Zionists actions.</p>
<p>But, if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, they resort to other tactics.</p>
<p>First, they ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.</p>
<p>If the information starts reaching too many people, they ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.</p>
<p>If that doesn&#8217;t work, their next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn&#8217;t been involved in sufficient scandal they are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.</p>
<p>If none of these are effective, they are known to resort to physical attacks.</p>
<p>But, NEVER do they try to prove the information wrong.</p>
<p>Jack Bernstein, (assassinated by MOSSAD)</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53711</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I think the weakest part of an otherwise well written piece is Pilger&#039;s faith in the &quot;American&quot; people. (I&#039;m not sure how much he believes it, but that he&#039;s hoping incite some core value(s)).

In varying degrees, the American people have been beneficiaries of Empire, much as the British people and other empire citizens have been. 

As the American war machine kills, as it has done relentlessly for decades, there is little disgruntlement about it. This has been a perplexing society. Given to a marketed creation of ME, with some history of community, but an even stronger inclination toward individualism. The latter has played into the national narrative and used by the corporate and elite propaganda machine to sustain war, and concentration of wealth. 

Today, the USA is mounting war in 3 countries as Mr. Pilger rightly acknowledges. Not a peep from anyone. Is that because Obama quieted the masses? Because the Democrats are in and so they are silent for purely partisan reasons, and only make noise about war when it is the other Party? Certainly.

But the greatest noise at this time is health care. And that is an utter fiasco. There is no authentic universal health care that will come out of this Washington. Nor should there be. A belief in the fundamental right of health care for all, is tied inextricably to the war machine that daily destroys the lives of thousands, and over time many millions. Why should Americans expect OR have a peaceful life of cradle to grave care when they, indirectly, deprive others of such?

Tell me Mr. Pilger, please.

In fact, such a war machine, and the complicitness of its citizenry of all colors and classes, ensures that such peace, that such a fundamental human right will never happen so long as the nation continues to murder and maime children, innocent adults and babies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think the weakest part of an otherwise well written piece is Pilger&#8217;s faith in the &#8220;American&#8221; people. (I&#8217;m not sure how much he believes it, but that he&#8217;s hoping incite some core value(s)).</p>
<p>In varying degrees, the American people have been beneficiaries of Empire, much as the British people and other empire citizens have been. </p>
<p>As the American war machine kills, as it has done relentlessly for decades, there is little disgruntlement about it. This has been a perplexing society. Given to a marketed creation of ME, with some history of community, but an even stronger inclination toward individualism. The latter has played into the national narrative and used by the corporate and elite propaganda machine to sustain war, and concentration of wealth. </p>
<p>Today, the USA is mounting war in 3 countries as Mr. Pilger rightly acknowledges. Not a peep from anyone. Is that because Obama quieted the masses? Because the Democrats are in and so they are silent for purely partisan reasons, and only make noise about war when it is the other Party? Certainly.</p>
<p>But the greatest noise at this time is health care. And that is an utter fiasco. There is no authentic universal health care that will come out of this Washington. Nor should there be. A belief in the fundamental right of health care for all, is tied inextricably to the war machine that daily destroys the lives of thousands, and over time many millions. Why should Americans expect OR have a peaceful life of cradle to grave care when they, indirectly, deprive others of such?</p>
<p>Tell me Mr. Pilger, please.</p>
<p>In fact, such a war machine, and the complicitness of its citizenry of all colors and classes, ensures that such peace, that such a fundamental human right will never happen so long as the nation continues to murder and maime children, innocent adults and babies.</p>
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		<title>By: Obstreperous</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53708</link>
		<dc:creator>Obstreperous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bobby;
People aren&#039;t asleep as much as they are disinterested.  The reasons are multitude and there&#039;s nothing sinister about it.  People are motivated en masse only when they see their or their children&#039;s lives being affected DIRECTLY and IMMEDIATELY.  Hence, this is why politicians who choose to manipulate the public like crisis, since it is the motivator and they try to be the rudder for their own purposes often unrelated to the crisis or its resolution.  Therefore, to end &#039;evil crap&#039; the direct and immediate benefit (not indirect or delayed) must be communicated.  Therein lies the skill of a true leader, the likes of which no longer seem to be attracted to the political sphere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby;<br />
People aren&#8217;t asleep as much as they are disinterested.  The reasons are multitude and there&#8217;s nothing sinister about it.  People are motivated en masse only when they see their or their children&#8217;s lives being affected DIRECTLY and IMMEDIATELY.  Hence, this is why politicians who choose to manipulate the public like crisis, since it is the motivator and they try to be the rudder for their own purposes often unrelated to the crisis or its resolution.  Therefore, to end &#8216;evil crap&#8217; the direct and immediate benefit (not indirect or delayed) must be communicated.  Therein lies the skill of a true leader, the likes of which no longer seem to be attracted to the political sphere.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53705</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How deeply asleep the American public is, including the populace of  many Western Nations in general, is nothing short of mindboggling.It seems nothing will motivate them to protest and slap down the evil crap that is going on. Another great article by Mr. Pilger, but of course, many will still think it&#039;s America bashing, missing the whole point as usual.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How deeply asleep the American public is, including the populace of  many Western Nations in general, is nothing short of mindboggling.It seems nothing will motivate them to protest and slap down the evil crap that is going on. Another great article by Mr. Pilger, but of course, many will still think it&#8217;s America bashing, missing the whole point as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53698</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well that last study and very sure more on the way very soon we will hear adapt to late and listen to me listen to me listen to me.  Oh we are listening and third grade level thinking better known as stupidity is tiring to say the least.  It&#039;s the Sun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that last study and very sure more on the way very soon we will hear adapt to late and listen to me listen to me listen to me.  Oh we are listening and third grade level thinking better known as stupidity is tiring to say the least.  It&#8217;s the Sun.</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53696</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mulga,

I seem to remember that a third &quot;bird&quot; was the Greenies (green party members/ activists/ environmentalists for those outside Oz)....who were somehow at fault for not allowing more bush to be destroyed in previous years]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mulga,</p>
<p>I seem to remember that a third &#8220;bird&#8221; was the Greenies (green party members/ activists/ environmentalists for those outside Oz)&#8230;.who were somehow at fault for not allowing more bush to be destroyed in previous years</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53692</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don, so you think your Murdochian Fox/News anthropogenic climate change denialists are loony? Well our specimens, from Murdoch&#039;s local shite-rags, went one better, during the most recent fire season here. Before February&#039;s &#039;Black Saturday&#039; in Victoria when 173 died, there were weeks of fires elsewhere in South-East Australia. The Murdochians, probably because the scientific rationalists had long predicted these mega-fires because of changing climatic and weather conditions, decided to &#039;kill two birds with one stone&#039;, so to speak. They started a fear and loathing campaign centring on &#039;fire jihadis&#039;, Moslem fanatics (locals, of course, the enemy within)who had, allegedly, sworn to wage jihad against the non-Moslems by starting fires. Need I say that there was not one scintilla of evidence, but no doubt one of Murdoch&#039;s legions of Judeofascist functionaries received a pat on the head for his or her inventiveness. And, also needless to say, after a week or so of Islamophobic hatemongering, enthusiastically echoed by the droogs on the Rightwing blogs, the story disappeared without trace, but certain, I would wager, to be resurrected next summer, probably just before the attack on Iran, scheduled, I presume, as these things are, out of religious considerations somewhat opaque to the goyim, for Purim, which next year is February 28th.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, so you think your Murdochian Fox/News anthropogenic climate change denialists are loony? Well our specimens, from Murdoch&#8217;s local shite-rags, went one better, during the most recent fire season here. Before February&#8217;s &#8216;Black Saturday&#8217; in Victoria when 173 died, there were weeks of fires elsewhere in South-East Australia. The Murdochians, probably because the scientific rationalists had long predicted these mega-fires because of changing climatic and weather conditions, decided to &#8216;kill two birds with one stone&#8217;, so to speak. They started a fear and loathing campaign centring on &#8216;fire jihadis&#8217;, Moslem fanatics (locals, of course, the enemy within)who had, allegedly, sworn to wage jihad against the non-Moslems by starting fires. Need I say that there was not one scintilla of evidence, but no doubt one of Murdoch&#8217;s legions of Judeofascist functionaries received a pat on the head for his or her inventiveness. And, also needless to say, after a week or so of Islamophobic hatemongering, enthusiastically echoed by the droogs on the Rightwing blogs, the story disappeared without trace, but certain, I would wager, to be resurrected next summer, probably just before the attack on Iran, scheduled, I presume, as these things are, out of religious considerations somewhat opaque to the goyim, for Purim, which next year is February 28th.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pallister</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/power-illusion-and-america%e2%80%99s-last-taboo/#comment-53691</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pallister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As always a scintilatingly jewel of clarity, John Pilger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always a scintilatingly jewel of clarity, John Pilger.</p>
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