Thanks for reading and copying here the Haycraft Commission’s report. It is precisely as I related it to you. I appears you have been hoisted by your own petard!

And as you must know, no one would call them riots today – it is civil unrest on its way to outright revolt. Thankfully for the Jews, the Brits went on a wanton Arab-killing spree.

The Gun and the Olive Branch – David Hirst
This is more about the gun than the olive branch, perhaps because the latter is a stunted foliage in the Middle East. For almost a hundred years Arab nationalists and Zionists have struggled over the same piece of territory, Palestine. David Hirst, Middle East correspondent for the Manchester Guardian, records the highlights of this dispute, about which he does not attempt to be neutral: in coming more down on the side of the Arabs, he redresses the balance in the literature which is generally recognized as pro-Zionist. For Hirst, the Zionist program in Palestine, the establishment of Israel, and its subsequent expansion constitute the roots of violence between Arabs and Jews. He redresses his own editorial imbalance by fairly and accurately reporting violent episodes–from Arab massacres of Jews at Jaffa in 1921 and Hebron in 1929, to Arab terrorism in Munich, Qiryat Shmona, and Ma’alot in the early 1970s. As unsparingly, he scrutinizes Jewish massacres of Arabs and Jewish terrorism in the 1940s, as well as the state terrorism of Israel against Arabs inside and outside its expanded borders. Predictably, such violence is romanticized in both camps as heroic and necessary, either for Arab liberation or for Jewish security. By describing its effects on innocent victims, Hirst strips off its political mask and exposes its human horror and grotesqueness. While he fails to appreciate the complex causes involved (and ignores other Middle-East bloodshed altogether), he has nevertheless brought together in a short, brisk, responsible narrative the major acts of Arab-Jewish violence since the 1880s.
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The Commission was headed by Sir Thomas Haycraft, then the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in Palestine with H. C. Luke, assistant governor of Jerusalem and Mr Stubbs of the Legal Department as members. Muslims were represented by ‘Aref Pasha al-Dajani, Christians by Ilyas Effendi Mushabbak and Jews by Dr Mordechai Eliash. The report was published in October 1921.

Background
The disturbances occurred during an interval after the military occupation of Palestine, but before the League of Nations endorsement of British rule and the beginning of the British Mandate. Sir Herbert Samuel had been made High Commissioner but there was severe resentment because he was known to be a Zionist. In the immediate aftermath of the riots, Samuel could not travel without armoured cars and had been forced to promise a national government.

Read the conclusions for some facts -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haycraft_Commission_of_Inquiry

1) “There were no riots by Arabs in 1921″: look at the source.

Haycraft Commission of Inquiry
into the 1920-21 Arab Riots
(October 1921)

The fundamental cause of the Jaffa riots and the subsequent acts of violence was a feeling among the Arabs of discontent with, and hostility to, the Jews, due to political and economic causes, and connected with Jewish immigration, and with their conception of Zionist policy as derived from Jewish exponents.
The racial strife was begun by the Arabs, and rapidly developed into a conflict of great violence between Arabs and Jews, in which the Arab majority, who were generally the aggressors, inflicted most of the casualties.

HERBERT SAMUEL

High Commissioner for Palestine
7th May, 1921

- In pre-State Israel there where Arab riots against Jews (immigrants AND natives Jews) in 1920-21, in 1929 (Hebron Massacre), in 1936-39. To deny the evidence appears to be the favorite activity of Israel-bashers.

2) “It must be capable of defending itself with a military and armaments”:

To use against whom if there will be a durable lasting peace with Israel?

3) “The caveat is that Israel must allow the return of those it expelled.”

And their discendants, yes?
So you don’t want a Palestinian state? I imagined.

4) No other nation Des mentions, whatever their relations with the indigenous, has expelled them.”

Oh, really? You must be a little troll.
In 722 BCE the Assyrians under Shalmaneser V conquered the (Northern) Kingdom of Israel, and many Israelites were deported to Khorasan. For over 2,700 years since, Persian Jews have lived in the territories of today’s Iran.

After the overthrow of the kingdom of Judah in 588 BCE by Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon (see Babylonian captivity) and the deportation of a considerable portion of its inhabitants to Mesopotamia, the Jews had two principal cultural centers: Babylonia and the land of Israel

Josephus claims that 1,100,000 people were killed during the siege, of which a majority were Jewish.[3] 97,000 were captured and enslaved, including Simon Bar Giora and John of Gischala.[3] Many fled to areas around the Mediterranean.

5) “The Jews committed unforgivable genocide on an Arab people, and a Muslim people. ”
Nothing else than a propagandist moron can say this crap.

demographics of the Palestinian territories:
2,407,681 Arab population in the West Bank
Arab Population growth rate 2.225% (2008 est.)
Birth rate: 25.95 births/1,000 population (2008 est.)
Mortality rate: 3.85 deaths/1,000 population (2006 est.)

6) “What should be needless to say is that the Arab ‘conquest’ of the Middle East was one which millions welcomed as favorable as it improved the status and conditions of these people vis-a-vis what had been.”

Get some straight thoughts:

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results: On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.
Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.
Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830 and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.
Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran’s prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

7) “I don’t allow that Palestinians and others have no right to change it, they have every right to do so.”

In other words: destroy it. Thank you for your precious contributions. Never trust the Arabs and their disingenuous supporters.

Thus the wars going on against pal’ns, iraqis, afghanis, pakistanis, somalis, syrians appears as one war paid by the unwashed mostly via crooks to cook books.
It just so happens that some of these crooks [ad hoc selected] are mul[a]tos, also called “jews”, since they are, o rpeople tell me, the best in such robberies.
As soon as nonjews learn the trade, the multos [means a melange od hundred or so ethnicities with the cult or connection to it or people with the cult] will be removed. tnx

For those racist Zionists I must say that people of the region are against partition of Palestine and, at this stage, will agree on ONE COUNTRY FOR ALL where IS NOT based on ethnic or religious divide. As Yehudi Menuhin said: Everything must be shared equally. There is no other solution.

Deseschi – There were no riots by Arabs in 1921. There was a Palestinian revolt against the increasing intrusion of foreigners and the foreigners displacement of Palestinians on the land – all while protected by the British master-colonialists. The Jews could go a long way towards helping themselves by recognizing this history – that the Palestinians are the natives of this land – and that they, the Jews, forcibly removed them over the course of the decades in a manner recalling “Manifest Destiny” in the US. Confessing to this tawdry history is the first step in their coming to terms with what must be done to restore some semblance of justice in the region.

A state of Palestine must have all the rights and responsibilities of state’s everywhere. It must be capable of defending itself with a military and armaments that ALL countries have. Israel’s record of continuous aggression makes it perfectly clear that Palestine must be able to protect itself.

Having achieved a fully sovereign state does not deny Palestinian-citizens of Israel the right to work towards establishing a non-racialized, non-Jim Crow state of Israel. And in this endeavor they may certainly have the peaceful support of their brethren in Palestine. That it may be possible to achieve a ‘post-Israel’, that is, a state of all its citizens is an enviable goal. At that point the wider possibilities of cooperation or union in the region will become more obvious – with nary a Jew being forced out. (Many may have left of their own accord however – for greener pastures- as happened during the Roman Administration of 2000 years ago).

Let us understand some more of Israeli history. The Jews of the Arab nations were put between a rock and a hard place only after the Jews ethnically cleansed the Palestinians from Palestine, only after the new state of Israel declared that said Arab Jews ‘true home’ was Israel and not their present state of residence (though having been there for centuries), and only after Israel committed several violent acts against Arab-Jews so as to make it appear that a pogrom was being committed by the Arabs. In a nutshell, Israel poisoned relations between Jew and Arab in the Arab countries, and then welcomed these Jews (who Ashkenazis were suspicious of to begin with) into Israel where they were used to man the ‘frontiers’ and pick the crops and pick up the garbage for the Euro-Jews).

But, some 60 years later, like Des, I believe Israel has established its right to exist. It is a recognized state in the global state system (though everyone recognizes it behind pre-67 borders) that participates in all manner of inter-state relations – and now has a large population of Jews who are native born. For these reasons, Israel, like other ill-gotten states Des mentions, must be permitted to exist. However, the caveat is that Israel must allow the return (as it promised to the world, a condition of joining the UN) of those it expelled. No other nation Des mentions, whatever their relations with the indigenous, has expelled them. So Des is wrong that these are comparable conditions. What Israel has done is to expel the natives and then illegally occupied much of the very land they expelled them to – the triple-whammy of ethnic cleansing, illegal occupation and the instituting of Apartheid rule. this cannot stand.

What should be needless to say is that the Arab ‘conquest’ of the Middle East was one which millions welcomed as favorable as it improved the status and conditions of these people vis-a-vis what had been. And no populations were displaced, nor was a race-based Apartheid put in place.

Regards the Moroccan story – let’s turn the story around. In the eyes of the Moroccan, the Jews committed unforgivable genocide on an Arab people, and a Muslim people. Israel has not made redress despite being implored to do so by virtually the entire world, but instead extended its hegemony further. Israel routinely and continuously invades and occupies the Arab/Muslim lands of its neighbors and does so with the atom bomb in its arsenal – something which it has said it will use if threatened – and implies even right now that it will use on Iran. Nukes to stop nukes, as it were. The Moroccan was correct to be angry about this little blister of a state that won’t join the family of civilized nations.

So while I understand that Israel now exists as a state, I don’t allow that Palestinians and others have no right to change it, they have every right to do so – and I support the right of the world – through the UN – to take important steps in that direction, as was done with South Africa.

“B99 is looking for a JEWISH STATE like other closet Zionists. He tells CH that is uninformed about the Middle East since he does report on the Iranian President who denies the holocaust of the ‘chosen people.’
Ahmadinejad is not denying anything rather he says if holocaust did happen why Palestinian should pay for crimes that were committed by others.” … etc.

You declare everyone who doesn ‘t agree with you as a Zionist, closet Zionist or puppet. Now Shabnam, whom do you think you are educating or elucidating here? You love freedom and justice? You haven ‘t yet told us about torture in Iranian prisons, have you?

This is what I mean about Arab/Islamic intollerance against a Jewish state in Middle East. This is the root of the conflict since 1921 (first Arab riots against the Jews) – that’s why the Arab nations and the Palestinians should recognize Israel as a Jewish state as condition for a durable peace and the creation of a viable Palestinian state side by side with Israel. The other condition is a demilitarized Palestinian state. But as shabnam gently explained to us by confirming my arguments, Palestinian Arabs aren’t truly interested in a own state but in liberating whole Palestine from the Jewish presence, in other words they still hope to replace Israel with a sole Arab Islamic entity (or maybe no state at all? simply belonging to the “great Arab nation”?).

Let assume for a while shabnam is right, why accept a Jewish state in Middle East since many Jews immigrated in recent times to Israel (resp. they were welcomed in Israel after been expelled by thier Arab countries), that is they are not native indigenous (does not matter whether their ancestors were indigenous, those are dead and buried) – does this not mean that even most of the nations of the world have no right to exist too? Where migration was and still is, there can not be a legitimate state: melting pot United State of America, Canada, melting pot Brasil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba – short the whole South America, all immigration countries, also South Africa, Namibia, not forgetting many countries in Europe, all countries creared by migrations from people from a territory to another. And of course also the entire Arab Middle East and North Africa, conquered through Arab war, Jihad, expansion and indeed also migration of people throughout its history. And let alone the modern strong Arab immigration into Europe and America – all illegal, according to your own “theories”.

How do you call these theories, shabnam: defence of the pure Arab race against “Jewish contamination”? Be honest, shabnam, are you willing to share the land with the Jews? Are you really?

Another very short anecdote: I was travelling through Italy on my own and I arrived in Perugia. There is there a youth hostel in the old city, the manager was and maybe still is a Maroccan, a small kind and resolute man. In a sort of comprehensible solidarity with his fellow countrymen (and other fellows), many (probably illegal) Marrocan and Arab immigrants were allowed to stay there for some longer time till they would find a better place and maybe a job in Italy. So it happened that I was in a room with four immigrants from Marocco. One of them, a skinny boy around the age of twenty, identified himself as a fervent supporter of Islam. We talked for a while together in French, I asked him what he was thinking about the Jewish state of Israel. He told me that this country should be destroyed and to that purpose should be used without hesitation the atomic bomb. I pointed out that, in that case, also many of his Arab Muslim brethren – many Palestinians – would perish too. Doesn’t matter, he replied, Israel must disappear. I can not imagine what would have happened if I said I’m Jew. This was in 1989.

Have you ever imagined that these lines to come from someone who is trying to present himself/herself as a friend of Palestinians?

B99 is looking for a JEWISH STATE like other closet Zionists. He tells CH that is uninformed about the Middle East since he does report on the Iranian President who denies the holocaust of the ‘chosen people.’
Ahmadinejad is not denying anything rather he says if holocaust did happen why Palestinian should pay for crimes that were committed by others. He asks: Were Palestinians responsible for this crime? Saudi’ king before 1948 repeatedly said why not gives the best part of Germany to victims of holocaust? Why Palestine should be partitioned to make room for other group who HAVE NO RELATIONS WITH THE INDIGENOUS HEBREW OR THE LAND. Why not give a country to gypsies? Why the Zionist deny the genocide of Gypsies to make holocaust ‘unique.’ Didn’t they lose a high percentage of their population in the war? How about the Iranian genocide during World war I, where between 8 to 10 million Iranians were perished due to British war policy when Iran was under British occupation? Why Zionists are able to deny other people’s holocaust and get away with it? Why people who does not repeat the official line are labeled as ‘holocaust denier?’ Why is so important for everyone to repeat the official line? Why has holocaust turned into a ‘world religion’? Why denial of holocaust should be punished? The empires, especially the Western empires have created so many holocausts where no one remembers them all or they have turned into world religion. Why this one is so special?
More nonsense:
[Israel has no Charta in which another people has no right to exist and must disappear – the Palestinians do.]

This could not be further from the truth. The Zionists should remove their veil of ignorance to see the facts on the ground. Israel for the past 61 years had no time for slogans and has repeatedly performed act of genocide, assassination, dispossession, terrorism, killing toddlers with phosphorus and depleted uranium, forcing the indigenous population out of their land to complete the Zionist project in Palestine meaning WIPE THE PALESTINIANS OFF THE MAP. Israel is expanding and Palestinians have shrunk greatly, and they have almost disappeared from their ancestral land so the European colonists can take move in.
I think it is hypocrisy and dishonesty to say:

[Israel is looking for a true peace partner, as it was Egypt of Alwar-al Sadat and Jordan of King Hussein, to finally reach a peace agreement and a viable state of Palestine side by side with Israel – Palestinians are not.]

This is totally rubbish. The reason Sadat got the desert back was due to the foreign policy of the United States in 1978 where was not completely under the influence of Zionism compare to the present time. The foreign policy of the US brought under strong influence of the Jewish lobby since the Clinton administration in 1992.
Jordanian king from the beginning were in collusion with Israel to have more land under their control and sold Palestinians many times in the past. Besides, this land belongs to Palestinians not the Egyptian or the Jordanian, where has been stolen by the colonists.

[This is the difference, CH – and it has very little to do with Zionism but much more with Arab/Islamic intolerance against a homeland for Jews in Middle East]

I am shocked to read these line where makes the reality upside down. The Jews from the Iberian Peninsula found a heaven under the Ottoman empire where were given powerful positions in the government but many Jews betrayed Muslims and cooperated and spied on the population to help British and French governments and cooperated fully with the destabilization and partition plan of the Ottoman empire similar to the present time where the Zionist Jews are deeply involved in destabilization and partition of the regional states in the Middle East and North Africa including Iran.

[Israeli masses never cried “Death to …” another nation of the world community – but Iran’s masses do.]

Israeli masses are doing the actual killing and those younger than 18 years old is signing the missiles before Israeli army pour them on either Palestinians or Lebanese people. This is the weirdest thing I ever read that someone is holding people responsible for the belligerent behavior of another group. Iranian people have been under military threat since the revolution. They have lost a million of their youth in the war where majority hold the US responsible for the war. People whose power does not match the enemy’s power resort to empty slogan whereas US and Israel express their true intention by killing the population with their superior WMD frequently.
Then you must be against slogan ‘down with imperialism’ or ‘down with Zionism.’ I bet that YOU ARE.

Ahmadinejad did not even say the word ‘Israel’, he used occuping regime. He uses ‘occupying regime’ most of the time. Here is his statement at the ‘Zionism’ conference:

[Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine.]

CH, you seem to be quite uninformed about Middle East. No Israeli leader said and repeated obsessively that an other member of the UN should be wipped off the map – but Iranian President does and does it by denying the Holocaust. Israeli masses never cried “Death to … ” another nation of the world community – but Iran’s masses do. Israel has no Charta in which another people has no right to exist and must disappear – the Palestinians do. Israel is looking for a true peace partner, as it was Egypt of Alwar-al Sadat and Jordan of King Hussein, to finally reach a peace agreement and a viable state of Palestine side by side with Israel – Palestinians are not. They are interested how to liberate the whole land of Palestine and to rule it under Islamic (Hamas & Co.) or Arab-nationalist (Fatah) flag, as they are dreaming every night in their bold sweaty dreams since more than sixty years.
This is the difference, CH – and it has very little to do with Zionism but much more with Arab/Islamic intollerance against a homeland for Jews in Middle East.
@ danny: indeed you didn’t defend Zionism, but – as we have been taught by the fervent self-righteous critics of Israel (the so-called anti-Zionists) – Zionism and Jews must be held responsible for all sins of the world.

As far as the Jews being responsible for all the sins of the world, well that is impossible because if that were right then the United States would have done nothing wrong. I am American Military they hate me only a little less than they hate you.

This is the difference, CH – and it has very little to do with Zionism but much more with Arab/Islamic intollerance against a homeland for Jews in Middle East.

@ danny: indeed you didn’t defend Zionism, but – as we have been taught by the fervent self-righteous critics of Israel (the so-called anti-Zionists) – Zionism and Jews must be held responsible for all sins of the world.

You attack those who oppose Zionism simply to create a distraction from the real questions at hand–the questions you and your cult-like cabal of knee-jerk Zionists adamantly refuse to answer. In fact, you don’t even want them discussed:

If Iran must be disarmed and prevented from having a nuclear program, why doesn’t the same requirement apply to Israel’s existing stockpile of nuclear weapons?

If Zionists assert that nuclear weapons destabilize the Middle East and threaten any prospects for peace, why should Israel have them?

If Israel has a right to defend itself, why doesn’t Iran? Why don’t the Palestinians?

If noncompliance with UN resolutions is grounds for an invasion, as was used in the propaganda against Iraq, then why isn’t Israel’s refusal to comply with UN resolutions regarding Gaza a cause for an invasion, followed by the establishment of a hand-picked puppet government?

Why does Israel refuse to sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty?

For extra credit: Which nation first developed nuclear weapons, then rushed to use them against a civilian population? Hint: It’s a western satellite office of the Knesset.

And, Danny, before you criticize those who want a “world where we all grow our own food and spin our own britches,” you might want to read the writings of Nathan Birnbaum, a devout Jew who coined the term “Zionism.” He wanted the same world that you now use as an insult. How ironic. You defend Zionism but know nothing about it. I think that pretty much sums up the mentality of the legions of uninformed who slavishly devote themselves to a hideous cause they neither understand nor actually believe in.

Finally, if you “are all that’s between the silly bitches and a burka,” then get out of the way. I suspect the “bitches” neither need nor want your chauvinistic “protection” of their lives. If they want a burka, they’re welcome to it. If they don’t, that too is their decision. Your macho and presumptuous insertion of a militaristic solution to a non-problem is typical but unwelcome.

Impious multos chase after own illusion: a mythical “jewishness”; while the pious ones run after supranaturalness. In fact, neither “jewishness” nor supranaturalness exist, according to me and probably all scientists.
A dear, elk, ape, dog, et al, may or may not be pureblooded [and nobody knows what that means, anyway] but a ‘jew’ [basically a multiethnic] is ‘impure’.
A person like kissinger may be 2% ukrainan, 5% azeri, 7% armenian, 20% khazar, 15% russian, 25% german and a it slovak, czech, pole, hungarian, french, english, 000001% shemitic and still worry about marrying a woman who may be 90% spanish and 10% moorish.
Some worry??
Give me such worries by the bushelfulls and i’ll give him just one of mine.
tnx

Mulga, Hates the United States and Israel so badly that all she can use are adjectives. Though I have never seen anyone who can gin up a mad as quickly as she can.

Mary, Has bought the muslim line about the horrific treatment of the poor pitiful arabs hook line and sinker. Constantly going on and on about the women and children killed in Iraq every day but never thinking about the fact that an arabs hand is on the detonator 99 per cent of the time.

And poor lichen wants to live in a fantasy world where we all grow our own food and spin our own britches and use witch doctors to heal ourselves. She is perhaps the saddest one of all because She doesn’t want to think about all the really bad people out there instead she spins her time worrying about community gardens and people instilling discipline into their children to keep them from growing into gang bangers.

They all hate the military ,both US and IDF and refuse to except that we are all that’s between the silly bitches and a burka.