Israel’s Fear of Jewish Women Dating Arabs

Team of Pyschologists to "Rescue" Women

A local authority in Israel has announced that it is establishing a special team of youth counsellors and psychologists whose job it will be to identify young Jewish women who are dating Arab men and “rescue” them.

The move by the municipality of Petah Tikva, a city close to Tel Aviv, is the latest in a series of separate — and little discussed — initiatives from official bodies, rabbis, private organisations and groups of Israeli residents to try to prevent interracial dating and marriage.

In a related development, the Israeli media reported this month that residents of Pisgat Zeev, a large Jewish settlement in the midst of Palestinian neighbourhoods in East Jerusalem, had formed a vigilante-style patrol to stop Arab men from mixing with local Jewish girls.

Hostility to intimate relationships developing across Israel’s ethnic divide is shared by many Israeli Jews, who regard such behaviour as a threat to the state’s Jewishness. One of the few polls on the subject, in 2007, found that more than half of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage should be equated with “national treason”.

Since the state’s founding in 1948, analysts have noted, a series of legal and administrative measures have been taken by Israel to limit the possibilities of close links developing between Jewish and Arab citizens, the latter comprising a fifth of the population.

Largely segregated communities and separate education systems mean that there are few opportunities for young Arabs and Jews to become familiarised with each other. Even in the handful of “mixed cities”, Arab residents are usually confined to separate neighbourhoods.

In addition, civil marriage is banned in Israel, meaning that in the small number of cases where Jews and Arabs want to wed, they can do so only by leaving the country for a ceremony abroad. The marriage is recognised on the couple’s return.

Yuval Yonay, a sociologist at Haifa University, said the number of interracial marriages was “too small to be studied”. “Separation between Jews and Arabs is so ingrained in Israeli society, it is surprising that anyone manages to escape these central controls.”

The team in Petah Tikva, a Jewish city of 200,000 residents, was created in direct response to news that two Jewish girls, aged 17 and 19, were accompanying a group of young Arab men when they allegedly beat a Jewish man, Leonard Karp, to death last month on a Tel Aviv beach. The older girl was from Petah Tikva.

The girls’ involvement with the Arab youths has revived general concern that a once-firm taboo against interracial dating is beginning to erode among some young people.

In sentiments widely shared, Hezi Hakak, a spokesman for Petah Tikva municipality, said “Russian girls” — young Jewish women whose parents arrived in Israel over the past two decades, since the collapse of the former Soviet Union — were particularly vulnerable to the attention of Arab men.

Dr Yonay said Russian women were less closed to the idea of relationships with Arab men because they “did not undergo the religious and Zionist education” to which more established Israeli Jews were subject.

Mr Hakak said the municipality had created a hotline that parents and friends of the Jewish women could use to inform on them.

“We can’t tell the girls what to do but we can send a psychologist to their home to offer them and their parents advice,” he said.

Motti Zaft, the deputy mayor, told the Ynet website that the municipality was also cracking down on city homeowners who illegally subdivide apartments to rent them cheaply to single Arab men looking for work in the Tel Aviv area. He estimated that several hundred Arab men had moved into the city as a result.

Petah Tikva’s hostility to Arab men mixing with local Jewish women is shared by other communities.

In Pisgat Zeev, a settlement of 40,000 Jews, some 35 Jewish men are reported to belong to a patrol known as “Fire for Judaism” that tries to stop interracial dating.

One member, who identified himself as Moshe to the Jerusalem Post newspaper, said: “Our goal is to be in contact with these girls and try to explain to them the dangers of what they’re getting themselves into. In the last 10 years, 60 girls from Pisgat Zeev have gone into [Palestinian] villages [in the West Bank]. And most of them aren’t heard from after that.”

He denied that violence or threats were used against Arab men.

Last year, the municipality of Kiryat Gat, a town of 50,000 Jews in southern Israel, launched a programme in schools to warn Jewish girls of the dangers of dating local Bedouin men. The girls were shown a video titled Sleeping with the Enemy, which describes mixed couples as an “unnatural phenomenon”.

Haim Shalom, head of the municipality’s welfare department, is filmed saying: “The girls, in their innocence, go with the exploitative Arab.” A police representative also warns that the Bedouin men’s “goal is to take advantage of the girls. There is no element of love or an innocent friendly relationship here.”

In 2004, posters sprang up all over the northern town of Safed warning Jewish women that dating Arab men would lead to “beatings, hard drugs, prostitution and crime”.

Safed’s chief rabbi, Shmuel Eliyahu, told a local newspaper that the “seducing” of Jewish girls was “another form of war” by Arab men.

Both Kiryat Gat and Safed’s campaigns were supported by a religious organisation called Yad L’achim, which runs an anti-assimilation team publicly dedicated to “saving” Jewish women.

According to its website, the organisation receives more than 100 calls a month about Jewish women living with Arab men, both in Israel and the West Bank. It launches “military-like rescues [of the women] from hostile Arab villages” in co-ordination with the police and army.

“The Jewish soul is a precious, all-too-rare resource, and we are not prepared to give up on even a single one,” says the website.

Yad L’achim’s founder, Rabbi Shlomo Dov Lifschitz, is quoted on the site saying: “People must understand that Jewish-Arab marriages are part of the larger Israeli-Arab conflict. … They [Arab men] see it as their goal to marry them [Jewish women] and ensure that their childen aren’t raised as Jews. This is their revenge against the Jewish people. They feel that if they can’t defeat us in war, they can wipe us out this way.”

The degree of general opposition in Israel to interracial marriage was suggested by a government-backed television ad campaign earlier this month that urged Israeli Jews to inform on relatives abroad who were in danger of marrying a non-Jew. The ads were hastily withdrawn by surprised Israeli officials after many US Jews took offence.

In her book Birthing the Nation, Rhoda Kanaaneh, a Middle East scholar at New York University, points out that “politicians frequently attack ‘peace’ or ‘dialogue’ programs for promoting miscegenation” in fear that it will lead to Jewish assimilation.

She also notes that Israel’s adoption and surrogacy laws require that adoptive parents be of the same ethnic group as the biological mother.

Jonathan Cook, based in Nazareth, Israel is a winner of the Martha Gellhorn Special Prize for Journalism. His latest books are Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East (Pluto Press) and Disappearing Palestine: Israel's Experiments in Human Despair (Zed Books). Read other articles by Jonathan, or visit Jonathan's website.

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  1. sk said on September 25th, 2009 at 11:01am #

    Who thought that the spirit of Gesetz zum Schutze des deutschen Blutes und der deutschen Ehre (The Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor) had been consigned to the trash bin of world history?

    A single mother of a 4-year old child was handed a prison sentence on Wednesday after the Magistrates’ Court in Rehovot found her to be unfit for community service.

    The woman, who is blind and diabetic, was sentenced to community service when she was found guilty of harboring a Palestinian man without a residency permit.

    When the Palestinian was caught in her home a few months ago the woman claimed he was the father of her child, but on the witness stand she admitted to two counts of harboring of an illegal alien.

    “He’s the only person who helps me and I have no one else,” she told the judge. “I didn’t know he was an illegal resident, he has been in Israel for many years.”

    The woman was sentenced to six months of community service and three years probation, but was later found by the community service supervisor to be unfit to carry out her sentence, due to her physical condition.

    The woman’s attorney and legal guardian, Gil Gabay, appealed to the court on her behalf. “She takes care of a 4-year old girl and she doesn’t have any help…if a second opinion still finds her unfit for community service then the court should examine other means of punishment,” he said.

    But Judge Yaron Levy determined that “because the woman has been found unfit for community service following the two interviews granted to her, and after hearing both sides, I believe there is no escaping a prison term.”

    The court has postponed the sentence in order to allow the woman to appeal to the District Court.

  2. KL5 said on September 25th, 2009 at 1:34pm #

    Years before the German Nazis protected the „Aryans“ „separate but equal“ had been the social and legal principle in the southern states of the popcorn and cowboy Empire from 1896 to 1954. Why don ´t you cite this law first? Yet, unlike „Negroes“ at that time (what about today?) Palestinians are separate, but not equal. They lack almost everything.

  3. sk said on September 25th, 2009 at 3:16pm #

    “Separate but equal” is not the proper analogy for Palestinians. They face a more chilling prospect. Ella Shohat who is of Iraqi descent has written perceptively about the role of non-white Jews like her and Palestinians in relation to the ruling European elite of Israel:

    If the Palestinians figure in official Euro-Israeli discourse as the Indians, associated in colonial discourse with nomadism and savagery, Asian and African Israelis are, on some levels, the Blacks. Not coincidentally, our major movement of resistance in the seventies was called “The Black Panthers” in homage to the American movement, while today we have adopted the name “Mizrahim” (“Orientals”). Despite its Orientalist lineage, this latter name carries an affirmation of our positive relation to the “East”, within the context of a state that proudly proclaims its Western-ness while choking off our “Eastern” cultural expression.

    In recent past, “well-behaved” Mizrahis have advanced to cabinet positions in Israel and going by the US analogy may some day even occupy the highest office in the land. It’s the Palestianins who are not accepting of their fate as the ‘presumably doomed “Indians” of the transplanted (far) Western narrative’.

    As Joel Beinin noted:

    [Benny] Morris now provides a moral justification for ethnic cleansing that he did not offer before the second intifada, arguing that “[e]ven the great American democracy could not have been created without the annihilation of the Indians.” Native Americans and those with a sounder knowledge of North American history may demur. But in Israel, appeal to the authority of the US is the ultimate clincher in any argument. Yearning for the success of the American example, Morris now criticizes Israel’s first prime minister and defense minister, David Ben-Gurion, for failing to do “a complete job” because “this place would be quieter and know less suffering if the matter had been resolved once and for all. If Ben-Gurion had carried out a large expulsion and cleansed the whole country…. It may yet turn out that this was his fatal mistake.” Palestine-Israel might also be quieter today if Hitler had completed his planned genocide of world Jewry. It does not occur to Morris that there might be a parallel between these two historical counterfactuals. The first is in the realm of acceptable speculation; the second is too obviously outrageous to consider.

  4. Mulga Mumblebrain said on September 25th, 2009 at 3:36pm #

    And to think that the Judeofascists and Zionazis still deny that Israel is an apartheid state. Naturally information such as this is verboten in the Judaic controlled mainstream media. To mention it draws the ritual spitting of venom and vitriol, the ‘anti-Semite’ all-purpose slur, and, wherever possible, career-harming repercussions. The central point, illustrated by Yad L’achim’s website’s assertion that “the Jewish soul is a precious, all-too-rare resource, and we are not prepared to give up a single one’, is that the Judaic fundamentalist, ie the Israeli, position is one of utter contempt and disdain for non-Jews. If a Jewish soul is precious (and if souls exist, which I strongly doubt, who but a bigot could disagree with that observation?)what then of non-Jewish souls, or half-Jewish souls? The answer, quite explicit from this and other signs of Judaic supremacism, was infamously expressed by Rabbi Kook the Elder, in his observation that ,’There is a greater difference between the soul of a Jew and a non-Jew…than there is between the soul of a non-Jew and the soul of an animal’.
    Remembering that Kook the Elder was Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi of Israel, and a revered figure, and that similar assertions from other rabbis are legion, then we must face facts. The Judaic orthodoxy is that they, the Jews, are the elect of humanity. To my mind an odious philosophy, but, in so far as it does not impinge on the rights of others, the Jews’ business alone. The other great religions also have many doctrines odious to my opinions and prejudices, or should I say preferences, but this assertion of tribal supremacism is unique, I would say. And the Palestinians are bearing the brunt of that extreme chauvinism and racism. What is worse, through their money-power the Jews control the politics, business and media of the West. The sight of Sarkozy, Brown and Obama, performing like a troupe of well-trained dogs, barking just the same species of lies and half-truths as were yapped against Iraq, this time against Israel’s latest target, Iran, without a single syllable being uttered over Israel’s decades long not-so-secret nuclear program, was to see mere chattels doing their masters’ bidding. Masters who regard them as closer to animals than their lofty selves. This is a calamitous situation-a world led by the nose, through a thoroughly corrupted political and business system, by one tiny tribe of increasingly intolerant and aggressive religious zealots, whose ‘religious leaders’, as witnessed by the proclamations of the Yesha Council of Rabbis and Torah Sages during the Lebanon carnage of 2006, proclaim that the killing of enemy civilians is a ‘mitzvah’ or good deed. This, of course is unknown to Western audiences, the real nature of fundamentalist Judaism being a subject absolutely forbidden in the mainstream media. Instead we are fed, by media outlets either controlled by Jewish money, or by those absolutely in league with Jewish money, a steady, unrelenting diet of lies, half-truths and misrepresentations, often enough by Judeofascist ‘journalists’ and ‘opinion-makers’, designed to instil hatred, fear and contempt for Islam, Arabs and the Palestinians in particular. And this deliberate hatemongering is once again being cranked up, as with the campaign of hatred against Iraq prior to the slaughter of over one million of its people, this time with Iran as the target, and once again the Judeofascists and their stooges are the driving force.

  5. Shabnam said on September 25th, 2009 at 6:11pm #

    People of the world must condemn Zionism and its servants like OBAMA, SARKOZI, BROWN, and the president of fu*king Russia, Medvedev, a Zionist. Iran has done nothing wrong in terms of its enrichment program and announcement of Qom enrichment program where is for civil use and is much smaller than other enrichment program. Iran is a member of NPT, on the other hand, Israel, despite the fact that Obama asked all countries must sign the treaty has not signed NPT and Obama rewards this apartheid state for all her war criminal activities and its ILLEGAL ENRICHMENT PROGRAM, SETTLEMENT PROGRAM, WAR CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES, ASSASSINATION, TERRORISM, DEMOLITION OF HOUSES, AND MORE, because his own PRESIDENCY IS DEPENDENT ON SUPPORT OF FU*KING ZIONISM. Obama a petty man is using the office of presidency to expand a foreign nation’s interest, Israel, against Americans’ interest.

    According to t NPT, members of the agency should notify IAEA 6 months before injection of gas required for its function. Iran has notified the agency 18 months ahead of the legal time. A year from now is the time Iran should have notified the agency, but Iran made the decision to notify the agency ONE YEAR EARLIER. This good gesture has been used by LIARS AND PETTY SERVANTS LIKE OBAMA, BROWN AND OTHERS TO REWARD THE FU*ING ZIONIST TERRORISTS AND THEIVES for their illegal actions.
    This is 100 percent propaganda against Iran by a Zionist puppet, Obama, who is following the Jewish Lobby, Dennis Ross, a fifth Colum instructions one by one to please a sick Zionist liar, Netanyahu.
    This conspiracy has been arranged by Israel using the fifth column, jewih lobby, to abandon the implementation of missile shield in Europe on behalf of Medvedev, Israel and Russia have secret relations against the interest of Iran and the US, to bring Russia on board. Russia, a natural enemy of Iran, always in the beginning pretends is against more sanction, but then using its accomplice, Israel, and the Jewish lobby is able to squeeze US for more concessions using Iranian card.
    American people have a duty to pour into street and bring DOWN THE BLACK PUPPET OF ZIONISM, OBAMA, AND PLACE A LEADER INSTEAD. OBAMA IS COMMITTING ACT OF TREASON UNDER ANY OTHER COUNTRY’S LAW WHICH IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH.

    THIS PROPAGADA SHOWS VERY WELL THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE US IS NOTHING BUT A PUPPET TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTION OF ISRAEL REGARDLESS OF IRAN LEGAL ACTION. The main point here is that the agency has found Iranian enrichment program LEGAL. THE PETTY SERVANT WITH A CHAIN OF STAR OF DAVID AROUND HIS NECK HAS NO RIGHT OVER IRANIAN LEGAL ENRICHMENT PROGRAM. Iran is member of the NPT and under supervision of IAEA. Obama must go after thieves and terrorist and toddlers’ killers and stop his own war crimes against humanity in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan and now Iran before meddling in Iranian affairs which is nothing to do with the servants of Zionism. All the people around the world tell Obama and his masters GO TO HELL.

    I recommend people to watch the following interview with Netanyahu to see how sick is this rabid Zionist, who wants to sell a ‘state of Palestine’ where is under occupation of Israel since the ‘borders’ and the air space is UNDER ISRAEL’S CONTROL FOR EVER, WHERE CAN NOT HAVE MILITARY EITHER, IN ADDITION, TO UNDIVIDED JERUSALEM WHERE OBAMA PROMISED THE ‘CHOSEN PEOPLE’ DURING HIS CAMPAGIN IN ORDER TO BE GIVEN THE POSITON AT THE WH TO SERVE ISRAEL’S INTEREST.
    Netanyahu calling the stolen land of Palestine ‘JEWISH STATE’ WHERE HE BELIVES ‘the Jews are coming back to their ancestral land.’ How sickening is this views where Netanyahu has internalized and his servant Obama is publicizing this sickening lies at the United Nation. Every one with more than 2 brain cells knows that these colonists HAVE NO CONNECTION TO ETHIER PALESTINE OR THE REGION. ONLY CHARLATANS PUBLICIZE THIS VIEW.
    Who wants to live under the IRON CAGE? EVERYONE MUST BE UNITED TO DESTROY THE IRON CAGE AND IT’S MASTERS WITH THEIR PETTY SERVANTS.

    http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10627

  6. Shabnam said on September 25th, 2009 at 8:06pm #

    Mulga:
    Thank you for your contributions. I love your writings and I think if you watch the Charlie Rose interview with Netanyahu, where I have provided with my first post on this page, his superiority complex gives you rich material to create a master piece on this psychopath.
    I never paid attention to Netanyahu in the past. This was the first time I watched a schizophrenic person being interviewed. I am shocked to see what kind of psychopath has been selected by the ‘chosen people.’ I think this video is very revealing to see a SICK MAN selling a ‘jewish state’ to a puppet, Obama, who happens to be the president of the *empire*, of course, we know these liars are not Hebrews like the indigenous population.
    I think you are able to write a very funny peace which will be
    priceless. I hope you do it.

    On the other hand these Zionist terrorists have created a ‘new generation of Palestinian ‘leaders’ where fit the Zionist plot very well. One of these clowns is SALAM FAYYAD who copies the Herzl’s instruction to build institutions of the future ‘state’ first before Palestinian can have their 10 percent of their stolen land back after 90 years. The ‘Angry Arab News Service’ has posted the following:

    A source from Williams College in Massachusetts sent me this report (and does not want to be identified): “Elliot Abrams gave an “off the record” talk on Obama and Israel to a small group at my college today. No press or publicity; one plus is they know the man stinks like rotted meat. Interestingly, the talk turned into an hour of Neocon love for Salam Fayyad, including a substantial amount of praise for his decision to unilaterally declare a Palestinian state; his name came up more than any other person’s in the the talk by a great factor. I’ll admit that I was cautiously optimistic about Fayyad, but hell, there’s no better way to judge a Palestinian’s worth to the resistance than the love a man like Abrams has for him. Abrams’ praise for Fayyad speaks for itself. He is still treating arafat as if he is alive; after Fayyad, arafat beat out even Abbas in mentions by Abrams, which I thought was odd. The best part was that he referred to Fayyad (no joke) as a Palestinian Herzl; he quoted Hertzl to summarize what Fayyad was doing and said that just as Hertzl laid the groundwork for a Zionist state, Fayyad was laying the ground for a Palestinian state. Odd to think that Palestinians, in order to have basic human rights and self determination, must go through the work that the Zionists did in order to justify taking away those rights. Either way in Abrams’ mind Fayyad=Hertzl. He stated that he felt that a west bank under fayyad had the potential to be a ‘shining beacon’ in the middle east, whatever that means. Most of the talk was standard neocon talking points; said that Obama and Bush are making the same mistakes in the Palestine, meaning relying on talks and what they should be doing is allowing Palestinians to construct their own state apparatuses under occupation. In essence, he was pushing for normalizing the defacto apartheid. Praise for Dayton, praise for Palestinian police forces. He did say that settlements east of the apartheid wall would have to be dismantled. The Fayyad obsession is something that I’ve seen from people like Friedman but not from anyone like Abrams. This Fayyad as a Palestinian Hertzl thing, though, is quit a new one.”

    http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10622

  7. mary said on September 26th, 2009 at 12:29am #

    Bibi (why does a thug have such a babyish name?) playing the Holocaust card in NY.

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1116933.html

    Ha’aretz 25/09/2009

    Netanyahu’s speech / Cheapening the Holocaust
    By Gideon Levy

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu cheapened the memory of the Holocaust in his speech to the United Nations General Assembly on Thursday. He did so twice. Once, when he brandished proof of the very existence of the Holocaust, as if it needed any, and again when he compared Hamas to the Nazis.

    If Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust, Netanyahu cheapens it. Is there a need of proof, 60 years later? Or, the world might think, is the denier right?

    And it is doubtful that any historian of stature would buy the comparison the prime minister made between Hamas and the Nazis, or between the London Blitz and the Qassam rockets on Sderot. In the Blitz, 400 German bombers and 600 fighter planes killed 43,000 people and destroyed more than one million homes. Hamas’ Qassams, perhaps the most primitive weapon in the world, have killed 18 people in eight years. Yes, they sowed great terror – but a Blitz?

    And if we can compare a poorly equipped terrorist organization to the horrific Nazi killing machine, why should others not compare the Nazis’ behavior to that of Israel Defense Forces soldiers? In both cases, the comparison is baseless and infuriating.

    Netanyahu began the speech as if he were chairman of the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial – Holocaust, Holocaust, Holocaust; his family and his wife’s family. Then he spoke in Shimon Peres’ terms, proposing a “rosy future” to humanity.

    No less demagogic was his attack on the Iranian regime. They shoot demonstrators there, he protested vehemently. As if they don’t do that in our Bil’in and Na’alin.

    Then came the kicker: Operation Cast Lead was a pinpoint attack. Israel telephoned thousands of people to tell them to leave their homes. Where to, Mr. Prime Minister? Into the sea? He said the IDF, which killed nearly 1,400 Palestinians, mostly civilians, exhibited unprecedented restraint.

    Moving on: We made peace with every Arab leader who wanted to, the premier said. What about Syrian President Bashar Assad, who has been knocking on doors for years, claiming he wants peace? No one has opened the doors.

    Talk of security and victims may still have buyers among the WIZO women of America, but that’s it. For a regional power that has almost every weapon in the world in its arsenal and is fighting primitive terror organizations, it is a bit difficult to be taken seriously when talking about security, especially when said security is only for Israelis.

    Then came our ancient right to the land and the unavoidable Biblical verses, in English and the original Hebrew, that always end the performance on such occasions – though Netanyahu, unlike his predecessors, did not pull out a skullcap at this crucial moment.

    That moment was supposed to move his listeners, but it left me, at least, unmoved by a propagandist prime minister. Hallelujah was heard last night only in Ramat Gan Stadium, at the Leonard Cohen concert.

  8. deceschi said on September 26th, 2009 at 3:41am #

    @munga – thank you for the interview with Netanyahu. He says it clearly to you: If israel have a real partner for peace, there will be peace and a Palestinian state. Think of it.

    @Copy&paste-Mary doesn’t get it again (not surprising as her favorite operation is not helping intelligence). Netanyahu – Bibi is only his nickname in case you didn’t know – referred in his speech explicitly to Ahmadinedjad’s reiterated disgraceful and ominous Holocaust denial – a revisionist position that not only offends the memory of the Shoah victims but also openly aims to discredit Israel’s very right to exist.

    However, isn’t it again indicative for your mindset and that of your anti-Zionist fellows that you rail against Netanyahu while you ostensibly pass over in silence the ranting tirades of the small Israel-and Jew-hating dictator from Teheran?

    Have you no shame? Have you no decency?

  9. Mulga Mumblebrain said on September 26th, 2009 at 4:15am #

    decrepsi, I’m afraid your reality inverting tirades and paeans to the art of lying simply do not impress. Netanyahu, (the Bibi short for bibulous)who seems to be eating his way to Sharonesque dimensions (or perhaps he is just too lousy to shit)is a typical Zionist psychopath and liar. His offer of a Palestinian ‘state’ , as you well know, was a calculated, vicious and hence typical Zionist insult. Only someone imbued through and through with the insane ideology of total racial superiority could offer a disconnected archipelago of internment camps with no external borders, with the Jordan Valley stolen so that the Herrenvolk’s precious ‘security’ could be ensured and with no army to a subject people as a ‘state’. An electronic zoo more like, with the Chosen ones free to bomb, invade and assassinate at will, with a veto, naturally, over the zoo inmates’ foreign relations, and controlling the airspace and electronic sphere. A more vicious, contemptuous proposal is hard to imagine, but the toads of the Western media sewer, knowing that their jobs depend on it, loyally sold this shite as a ‘peace proposal’.
    Do you know what will eventually bring you Judeofascists undone decrepsi? Not your sadism, your cruelty, your greed for the land, water and goods of others, but your unspeakable arrogance, your innate belief that you can get away with any lie, no matter how gigantic, so long as the media liars follow orders from your money and business and political power. Things are crumbling, the edifice of falsehood and hypocrisy, guarded by the multi-headed dogs of vilification and slander spitting venom and vitriol at any who dare question the morality and decency of the unending horror visited on the Palestinians for generations, has begun to collapse, thanks to Gaza. You overreached there, thinking that you could still abuse the humane conscience of the world into silence with your threats and lies. People in the West, the only region you care about, with your inborn racist contempt for the global majority, have, finally, begun to call ‘ enough’. Your time’s nearly up.

  10. mary said on September 26th, 2009 at 5:19am #

    decresci – if you are still standing after Mulga’s well aimed broadside, the provision of information is critical if another catastrophe like the was on Iraq is to be avoided.

    There is irony here in the title of George’s message on medialens (change Iraq to Iran) from a thread about the hysteria in the media following the outpourings from Messrs Obama, Sarkozee and Brown with Medvedev following up in the rear. This hysteria in the British media has been immense over the past few days with Boulton and Marshal live from NY for Sky and Reynolds and Robinson on the BBC. Ditto the printed media.

    Mark Mardell of the BBC showed film of missiles rearing skywards (whose missiles? the US’s probably) saying -

    ‘An Iranian missile, the fear of the West that one day, it could be tipped with a nuclear warhead, threatening massive destruction . . .’.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/8274711.stm

    Re: Iraq MUST comply with United Nations resolutions
    Posted by George_HK on September 25, 2009, 4:21 pm, in reply to “Iraq MUST comply with United Nations resolutions”

    The hysteria over Iran is reaching frothing mouth proportions.
    It is would be pathetic if it wasn’t so serious.

    Iran doesn’t have to inform the IAEA until 180 days before any nuclear material is place in the facility.

    Did they breach this? Nope.

    “Iran concealed the building of a second uranium enrichment ” er.. right, that’s why they informed the IAEA of its existence when they had no legal obligation to do so. They love keeping their secrets so much that they tell people! Sheesh

    “The leaders of the US, UK and France demanded UN inspectors be given immediate access to the facility. ” but not to demand immediate access to the UK, US, Israel’s facilities.

    “Speaking alongside UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown and French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Mr Obama said it was time for Iran to begin meeting its international commitments. ” er, yet again, unlike the UK/US/France/Israel being made to uphold theirs and force Israel to stop its criminality.

    The hypocrisy is sickening and the BBC not only wouldn’t highlight it, they don’t even think it is hypocritical!.

    When will a journalist ask these criminals why THEY aren’t held to the standard they threaten others with?

    Sickening….
    G
    –Previous Message–
    Sorry, Iran must comply with United Nations resolutions – Obama as stern father. It’s 2002 all over again, only the faces have changed:
    news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8274903.stm

  11. Danny Ray said on September 26th, 2009 at 6:03am #

    Deceschi, You ask “Have you no shame? Have you no decency?”
    in a nuts Shell ( pun intended) NO !!! That’s why they are here. I thought you would understand that by now. These people have decided that America is evil, Corporations are evil and they all want to go live in a fantasy world. They don’t want to discuss anything they only want to spout vile invectives at people they don’t know.

    Mulga, Hates the United States and Israel so badly that all she can use are adjectives. Though I have never seen anyone who can gin up a mad as quickly as she can.

    Mary, Has bought the muslim line about the horrific treatment of the poor pitiful arabs hook line and sinker. Constantly going on and on about the women and children killed in Iraq every day but never thinking about the fact that an arabs hand is on the detonator 99 per cent of the time.

    And poor lichen wants to live in a fantasy world where we all grow our own food and spin our own britches and use witch doctors to heal ourselves. She is perhaps the saddest one of all because She doesn’t want to think about all the really bad people out there instead she spins her time worrying about community gardens and people instilling discipline into their children to keep them from growing into gang bangers.

    They all hate the military ,both US and IDF and refuse to except that we are all that’s between the silly bitches and a burka.

  12. bozh said on September 26th, 2009 at 8:24am #

    Euro-asian converts to mosheic or talmudic cult have, like their predecessors, the hebrews, been running after an illusion.

    Impious multos chase after own illusion: a mythical “jewishness”; while the pious ones run after supranaturalness. In fact, neither “jewishness” nor supranaturalness exist, according to me and probably all scientists.
    A dear, elk, ape, dog, et al, may or may not be pureblooded [and nobody knows what that means, anyway] but a ‘jew’ [basically a multiethnic] is ‘impure’.
    A person like kissinger may be 2% ukrainan, 5% azeri, 7% armenian, 20% khazar, 15% russian, 25% german and a it slovak, czech, pole, hungarian, french, english, 000001% shemitic and still worry about marrying a woman who may be 90% spanish and 10% moorish.
    Some worry??
    Give me such worries by the bushelfulls and i’ll give him just one of mine.
    tnx

  13. CH said on September 26th, 2009 at 8:29am #

    Danny Ray and Deceschi, you can lob all the personal attacks you wish at those who comment here, borrowing more from other schoolyard bullies if you need them, but they are the common ploy of desperate people who attempt to defend the indefensible.

    You attack those who oppose Zionism simply to create a distraction from the real questions at hand–the questions you and your cult-like cabal of knee-jerk Zionists adamantly refuse to answer. In fact, you don’t even want them discussed:

    If Iran must be disarmed and prevented from having a nuclear program, why doesn’t the same requirement apply to Israel’s existing stockpile of nuclear weapons?

    If Zionists assert that nuclear weapons destabilize the Middle East and threaten any prospects for peace, why should Israel have them?

    If Israel has a right to defend itself, why doesn’t Iran? Why don’t the Palestinians?

    If noncompliance with UN resolutions is grounds for an invasion, as was used in the propaganda against Iraq, then why isn’t Israel’s refusal to comply with UN resolutions regarding Gaza a cause for an invasion, followed by the establishment of a hand-picked puppet government?

    Why does Israel refuse to sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty?

    For extra credit: Which nation first developed nuclear weapons, then rushed to use them against a civilian population? Hint: It’s a western satellite office of the Knesset.

    And, Danny, before you criticize those who want a “world where we all grow our own food and spin our own britches,” you might want to read the writings of Nathan Birnbaum, a devout Jew who coined the term “Zionism.” He wanted the same world that you now use as an insult. How ironic. You defend Zionism but know nothing about it. I think that pretty much sums up the mentality of the legions of uninformed who slavishly devote themselves to a hideous cause they neither understand nor actually believe in.

    Finally, if you “are all that’s between the silly bitches and a burka,” then get out of the way. I suspect the “bitches” neither need nor want your chauvinistic “protection” of their lives. If they want a burka, they’re welcome to it. If they don’t, that too is their decision. Your macho and presumptuous insertion of a militaristic solution to a non-problem is typical but unwelcome.

  14. Danny Ray said on September 26th, 2009 at 11:03am #

    Deceschi, looking at the above post, Need I say more? I was not aware that I was defending zionism, that was not my intent. nor was anythng I said a personal attack. I just said what I saw and have seen for the past three years.

  15. deceschi said on September 26th, 2009 at 12:52pm #

    CH, you seem to be quite uninformed about Middle East. No Israeli leader said and repeated obsessively that an other member of the UN should be wipped off the map – but Iranian President does and does it by denying the Holocaust. Israeli masses never cried “Death to … ” another nation of the world community – but Iran’s masses do. Israel has no Charta in which another people has no right to exist and must disappear – the Palestinians do. Israel is looking for a true peace partner, as it was Egypt of Alwar-al Sadat and Jordan of King Hussein, to finally reach a peace agreement and a viable state of Palestine side by side with Israel – Palestinians are not. They are interested how to liberate the whole land of Palestine and to rule it under Islamic (Hamas & Co.) or Arab-nationalist (Fatah) flag, as they are dreaming every night in their bold sweaty dreams since more than sixty years.

    This is the difference, CH – and it has very little to do with Zionism but much more with Arab/Islamic intollerance against a homeland for Jews in Middle East.

    @ danny: indeed you didn’t defend Zionism, but – as we have been taught by the fervent self-righteous critics of Israel (the so-called anti-Zionists) – Zionism and Jews must be held responsible for all sins of the world.

  16. Danny Ray said on September 26th, 2009 at 1:44pm #

    deceschi, please do not misunderstand me, As far as I am concerned I will fight shoulder to shoulder with the IDF to defend Israel. I have always believed that Israel is the Jewish homeland. I am proud to call many Israelis brother, And I have defended Zionism in Many other post, just not in this one. I was speaking with a pilot friend yesterday about that fool from the carter administration saying that American planes should shoot down Israeli Aircraft if they were going to Iran. He said that he was not bothered by that, He had taken a poll of all the air superiority pilots he knew, they all said that they would refused to fire on the Star of David.

    As far as the Jews being responsible for all the sins of the world, well that is impossible because if that were right then the United States would have done nothing wrong. I am American Military they hate me only a little less than they hate you.

  17. Mulga Mumblebrain said on September 26th, 2009 at 2:03pm #

    Ah decrepsi lying-it must be a day with a ‘y’ in it. Ahmadinejad did not say Israel should be ‘wiped from the map’. He said, and he was quoting Khomeini, that Israel would disappear from the pages of history, like the USSR and the other terroristic apartheid state, Israel’s evil twin, Afrikaaner South Africa. The false translation, made by MEMRI or some other Mossad disinformation outfit was immediately revealed, but to be a Zionazi liar means impudence and audacity in telling porkies comes with your mother’s milk. All grist to the mill of the incessant hatemongering, the spitting of bile and venom that is the sure sign of the Judeofascist.
    In contrast to the words of the Palestinians, (although there are multitudinous Zionist tracts where the hatred of Arabs and Palestinians and the firm intent to steal their land and ethnically cleanse [I believe the Zionist euphemism is 'redeem the land']the inhabitants is plainly stated),Israel reveals its true, ugly,character by its deeds. I note, unsurprised, decrepsi, that sixty years of dispossession, murder, lies, humilation, torture, illegal imprisonment, all culminating in the brutal, child-murdering carnage of Gaza, leaves you unmoved. No surprise there, as Judeofascists are possibly the most visceral racists on the planet. After all one need only consult the words of the fundamentalist Rabbis, the zealot settlers of the Occupied Territories, bullying Judaic Taliban who terrorise defenceless peasants on their own land or the fascist politicians like the loathsome Lieberman, to realise that one is dealing with cruel and brutal thugs. Of course, not all Jews are thugs, nor all Palestinians saints, but to invert reality, to turn the prisoners into the oppressors, and the barbaric overlords into sweet, innocent victims, takes real chutzpah. Real arrogance, real contempt for decency and the good opinion of humanity. But, after all, for the Judeofascist hardcore, all the non-Jews of the world are but mere goyim, and as Ben-Gurion said, it doesn’t matter what the goyim say, only what the Jews do. And what the Jews, the fascist ones, unfortunately plainly a majority at present, are doing is plain. They are continuing to brutalise, imprison and terrorise an entire people, demand the world’s adulation for doing so, spit vitriol at all who dare protest, and feverishly plan and plot their next holocaust, against Iran.

  18. B99 said on September 26th, 2009 at 2:14pm #

    Of course, some Israelis have made it quite clear that they intend to wipe Palestine from the map and from history. That’s why they are taking over what remains of their country – and violently doing so. So what if they are not in the UN – were the Jews of Europe a member of the League of Nations?

    CH, you seem to be quite uninformed about Middle East. No Israeli leader said and repeated obsessively that an other member of the UN should be wipped off the map – but Iranian President does and does it by denying the Holocaust. Israeli masses never cried “Death to … ” another nation of the world community – but Iran’s masses do. Israel has no Charta in which another people has no right to exist and must disappear – the Palestinians do. Israel is looking for a true peace partner, as it was Egypt of Alwar-al Sadat and Jordan of King Hussein, to finally reach a peace agreement and a viable state of Palestine side by side with Israel – Palestinians are not. They are interested how to liberate the whole land of Palestine and to rule it under Islamic (Hamas & Co.) or Arab-nationalist (Fatah) flag, as they are dreaming every night in their bold sweaty dreams since more than sixty years.
    This is the difference, CH – and it has very little to do with Zionism but much more with Arab/Islamic intollerance against a homeland for Jews in Middle East.
    @ danny: indeed you didn’t defend Zionism, but – as we have been taught by the fervent self-righteous critics of Israel (the so-called anti-Zionists) – Zionism and Jews must be held responsible for all sins of the world.

  19. Shabnam said on September 26th, 2009 at 3:20pm #

    Mulga:

    Ahmadinejad did not even say the word ‘Israel’, he used occuping regime. He uses ‘occupying regime’ most of the time. Here is his statement at the ‘Zionism’ conference:

    [Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine.]

  20. B99 said on September 26th, 2009 at 7:08pm #

    Of course, some Israelis have made it quite clear that they intend to wipe Palestine from the map and from history. That’s why they are taking over what remains of their country – and violently doing so. So what if they are not in the UN – were the Jews of Europe a member of the League of Nations?

  21. Shabnam said on September 26th, 2009 at 7:45pm #

    [CH, you seem to be quite uninformed about Middle East. No Israeli leader said and repeated obsessively that another member of the UN should be wiped off the map – but Iranian President does and does it by denying the Holocaust. Israeli masses never cried “Death to …” another nation of the world community – but Iran’s masses do. Israel has no Charta in which another people has no right to exist and must disappear – the Palestinians do. Israel is looking for a true peace partner, as it was Egypt of Alwar-al Sadat and Jordan of King Hussein, to finally reach a peace agreement and a viable state of Palestine side by side with Israel – Palestinians are not. They are interested how to liberate the whole land of Palestine and to rule it under Islamic (Hamas & Co.) or Arab-nationalist (Fatah) flag, as they are dreaming every night in their bold sweaty dreams since more than sixty years.
    This is the difference, CH – and it has very little to do with Zionism but much more with Arab/Islamic intolerance against a homeland for Jews in Middle East. (B99)

    Have you ever imagined that these lines to come from someone who is trying to present himself/herself as a friend of Palestinians?

    B99 is looking for a JEWISH STATE like other closet Zionists. He tells CH that is uninformed about the Middle East since he does report on the Iranian President who denies the holocaust of the ‘chosen people.’
    Ahmadinejad is not denying anything rather he says if holocaust did happen why Palestinian should pay for crimes that were committed by others. He asks: Were Palestinians responsible for this crime? Saudi’ king before 1948 repeatedly said why not gives the best part of Germany to victims of holocaust? Why Palestine should be partitioned to make room for other group who HAVE NO RELATIONS WITH THE INDIGENOUS HEBREW OR THE LAND. Why not give a country to gypsies? Why the Zionist deny the genocide of Gypsies to make holocaust ‘unique.’ Didn’t they lose a high percentage of their population in the war? How about the Iranian genocide during World war I, where between 8 to 10 million Iranians were perished due to British war policy when Iran was under British occupation? Why Zionists are able to deny other people’s holocaust and get away with it? Why people who does not repeat the official line are labeled as ‘holocaust denier?’ Why is so important for everyone to repeat the official line? Why has holocaust turned into a ‘world religion’? Why denial of holocaust should be punished? The empires, especially the Western empires have created so many holocausts where no one remembers them all or they have turned into world religion. Why this one is so special?
    More nonsense:
    [Israel has no Charta in which another people has no right to exist and must disappear – the Palestinians do.]

    This could not be further from the truth. The Zionists should remove their veil of ignorance to see the facts on the ground. Israel for the past 61 years had no time for slogans and has repeatedly performed act of genocide, assassination, dispossession, terrorism, killing toddlers with phosphorus and depleted uranium, forcing the indigenous population out of their land to complete the Zionist project in Palestine meaning WIPE THE PALESTINIANS OFF THE MAP. Israel is expanding and Palestinians have shrunk greatly, and they have almost disappeared from their ancestral land so the European colonists can take move in.
    I think it is hypocrisy and dishonesty to say:

    [Israel is looking for a true peace partner, as it was Egypt of Alwar-al Sadat and Jordan of King Hussein, to finally reach a peace agreement and a viable state of Palestine side by side with Israel – Palestinians are not.]

    This is totally rubbish. The reason Sadat got the desert back was due to the foreign policy of the United States in 1978 where was not completely under the influence of Zionism compare to the present time. The foreign policy of the US brought under strong influence of the Jewish lobby since the Clinton administration in 1992.
    Jordanian king from the beginning were in collusion with Israel to have more land under their control and sold Palestinians many times in the past. Besides, this land belongs to Palestinians not the Egyptian or the Jordanian, where has been stolen by the colonists.

    [This is the difference, CH – and it has very little to do with Zionism but much more with Arab/Islamic intolerance against a homeland for Jews in Middle East]

    I am shocked to read these line where makes the reality upside down. The Jews from the Iberian Peninsula found a heaven under the Ottoman empire where were given powerful positions in the government but many Jews betrayed Muslims and cooperated and spied on the population to help British and French governments and cooperated fully with the destabilization and partition plan of the Ottoman empire similar to the present time where the Zionist Jews are deeply involved in destabilization and partition of the regional states in the Middle East and North Africa including Iran.

    [Israeli masses never cried “Death to …” another nation of the world community – but Iran’s masses do.]

    Israeli masses are doing the actual killing and those younger than 18 years old is signing the missiles before Israeli army pour them on either Palestinians or Lebanese people. This is the weirdest thing I ever read that someone is holding people responsible for the belligerent behavior of another group. Iranian people have been under military threat since the revolution. They have lost a million of their youth in the war where majority hold the US responsible for the war. People whose power does not match the enemy’s power resort to empty slogan whereas US and Israel express their true intention by killing the population with their superior WMD frequently.
    Then you must be against slogan ‘down with imperialism’ or ‘down with Zionism.’ I bet that YOU ARE.

  22. deceschi said on September 27th, 2009 at 2:40am #

    @shabnam:why Palestine should be partitioned to make room for other group who HAVE NO RELATIONS WITH THE INDIGENOUS HEBREW OR THE LAND.

    This is what I mean about Arab/Islamic intollerance against a Jewish state in Middle East. This is the root of the conflict since 1921 (first Arab riots against the Jews) – that’s why the Arab nations and the Palestinians should recognize Israel as a Jewish state as condition for a durable peace and the creation of a viable Palestinian state side by side with Israel. The other condition is a demilitarized Palestinian state. But as shabnam gently explained to us by confirming my arguments, Palestinian Arabs aren’t truly interested in a own state but in liberating whole Palestine from the Jewish presence, in other words they still hope to replace Israel with a sole Arab Islamic entity (or maybe no state at all? simply belonging to the “great Arab nation”?).

    Let assume for a while shabnam is right, why accept a Jewish state in Middle East since many Jews immigrated in recent times to Israel (resp. they were welcomed in Israel after been expelled by thier Arab countries), that is they are not native indigenous (does not matter whether their ancestors were indigenous, those are dead and buried) – does this not mean that even most of the nations of the world have no right to exist too? Where migration was and still is, there can not be a legitimate state: melting pot United State of America, Canada, melting pot Brasil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba – short the whole South America, all immigration countries, also South Africa, Namibia, not forgetting many countries in Europe, all countries creared by migrations from people from a territory to another. And of course also the entire Arab Middle East and North Africa, conquered through Arab war, Jihad, expansion and indeed also migration of people throughout its history. And let alone the modern strong Arab immigration into Europe and America – all illegal, according to your own “theories”.

    How do you call these theories, shabnam: defence of the pure Arab race against “Jewish contamination”? Be honest, shabnam, are you willing to share the land with the Jews? Are you really?

    Another very short anecdote: I was travelling through Italy on my own and I arrived in Perugia. There is there a youth hostel in the old city, the manager was and maybe still is a Maroccan, a small kind and resolute man. In a sort of comprehensible solidarity with his fellow countrymen (and other fellows), many (probably illegal) Marrocan and Arab immigrants were allowed to stay there for some longer time till they would find a better place and maybe a job in Italy. So it happened that I was in a room with four immigrants from Marocco. One of them, a skinny boy around the age of twenty, identified himself as a fervent supporter of Islam. We talked for a while together in French, I asked him what he was thinking about the Jewish state of Israel. He told me that this country should be destroyed and to that purpose should be used without hesitation the atomic bomb. I pointed out that, in that case, also many of his Arab Muslim brethren – many Palestinians – would perish too. Doesn’t matter, he replied, Israel must disappear. I can not imagine what would have happened if I said I’m Jew. This was in 1989.

  23. Kl5 said on September 27th, 2009 at 4:44am #

    Shabnam,

    “B99 is looking for a JEWISH STATE like other closet Zionists. He tells CH that is uninformed about the Middle East since he does report on the Iranian President who denies the holocaust of the ‘chosen people.’
    Ahmadinejad is not denying anything rather he says if holocaust did happen why Palestinian should pay for crimes that were committed by others.” … etc.

    You declare everyone who doesn ‘t agree with you as a Zionist, closet Zionist or puppet. Now Shabnam, whom do you think you are educating or elucidating here? You love freedom and justice? You haven ‘t yet told us about torture in Iranian prisons, have you?

  24. B99 said on September 27th, 2009 at 6:02am #

    No Shabnam, I was not telling CH any such thing – I accidently posted someone else’s ‘criticism’ of CH after copying it and pasting it for dissection purposes. The only words that were mine were the first paragraph. I apologize for the confusion and apologize especially to CH.

    Deseschi – There were no riots by Arabs in 1921. There was a Palestinian revolt against the increasing intrusion of foreigners and the foreigners displacement of Palestinians on the land – all while protected by the British master-colonialists. The Jews could go a long way towards helping themselves by recognizing this history – that the Palestinians are the natives of this land – and that they, the Jews, forcibly removed them over the course of the decades in a manner recalling “Manifest Destiny” in the US. Confessing to this tawdry history is the first step in their coming to terms with what must be done to restore some semblance of justice in the region.

    A state of Palestine must have all the rights and responsibilities of state’s everywhere. It must be capable of defending itself with a military and armaments that ALL countries have. Israel’s record of continuous aggression makes it perfectly clear that Palestine must be able to protect itself.

    Having achieved a fully sovereign state does not deny Palestinian-citizens of Israel the right to work towards establishing a non-racialized, non-Jim Crow state of Israel. And in this endeavor they may certainly have the peaceful support of their brethren in Palestine. That it may be possible to achieve a ‘post-Israel’, that is, a state of all its citizens is an enviable goal. At that point the wider possibilities of cooperation or union in the region will become more obvious – with nary a Jew being forced out. (Many may have left of their own accord however – for greener pastures- as happened during the Roman Administration of 2000 years ago).

    Let us understand some more of Israeli history. The Jews of the Arab nations were put between a rock and a hard place only after the Jews ethnically cleansed the Palestinians from Palestine, only after the new state of Israel declared that said Arab Jews ‘true home’ was Israel and not their present state of residence (though having been there for centuries), and only after Israel committed several violent acts against Arab-Jews so as to make it appear that a pogrom was being committed by the Arabs. In a nutshell, Israel poisoned relations between Jew and Arab in the Arab countries, and then welcomed these Jews (who Ashkenazis were suspicious of to begin with) into Israel where they were used to man the ‘frontiers’ and pick the crops and pick up the garbage for the Euro-Jews).

    But, some 60 years later, like Des, I believe Israel has established its right to exist. It is a recognized state in the global state system (though everyone recognizes it behind pre-67 borders) that participates in all manner of inter-state relations – and now has a large population of Jews who are native born. For these reasons, Israel, like other ill-gotten states Des mentions, must be permitted to exist. However, the caveat is that Israel must allow the return (as it promised to the world, a condition of joining the UN) of those it expelled. No other nation Des mentions, whatever their relations with the indigenous, has expelled them. So Des is wrong that these are comparable conditions. What Israel has done is to expel the natives and then illegally occupied much of the very land they expelled them to – the triple-whammy of ethnic cleansing, illegal occupation and the instituting of Apartheid rule. this cannot stand.

    What should be needless to say is that the Arab ‘conquest’ of the Middle East was one which millions welcomed as favorable as it improved the status and conditions of these people vis-a-vis what had been. And no populations were displaced, nor was a race-based Apartheid put in place.

    Regards the Moroccan story – let’s turn the story around. In the eyes of the Moroccan, the Jews committed unforgivable genocide on an Arab people, and a Muslim people. Israel has not made redress despite being implored to do so by virtually the entire world, but instead extended its hegemony further. Israel routinely and continuously invades and occupies the Arab/Muslim lands of its neighbors and does so with the atom bomb in its arsenal – something which it has said it will use if threatened – and implies even right now that it will use on Iran. Nukes to stop nukes, as it were. The Moroccan was correct to be angry about this little blister of a state that won’t join the family of civilized nations.

    So while I understand that Israel now exists as a state, I don’t allow that Palestinians and others have no right to change it, they have every right to do so – and I support the right of the world – through the UN – to take important steps in that direction, as was done with South Africa.

  25. Shabnam said on September 27th, 2009 at 6:55am #

    B99 – I am glad you cleared my doubts about the true identity of b99.
    I knew something was wrong. In fact I wanted to post a message that this person is not B99 and has stolen his identity. But, since you didn’t come in early enough to explain what had happened, then I thought who am I to tell B99 that you are not the one who pretends to be. I apologize for this misunderstanding.

    For those racist Zionists I must say that people of the region are against partition of Palestine and, at this stage, will agree on ONE COUNTRY FOR ALL where IS NOT based on ethnic or religious divide. As Yehudi Menuhin said: Everything must be shared equally. There is no other solution.

  26. bozh said on September 27th, 2009 at 7:56am #

    The point i made before also here and other sites appears that a small larceny by the christo-tamudic cultists in ME appears as a mere part of much grander larceny/theft of land/with murder called “planetism”.

    Thus the wars going on against pal’ns, iraqis, afghanis, pakistanis, somalis, syrians appears as one war paid by the unwashed mostly via crooks to cook books.
    It just so happens that some of these crooks [ad hoc selected] are mul[a]tos, also called “jews”, since they are, o rpeople tell me, the best in such robberies.
    As soon as nonjews learn the trade, the multos [means a melange od hundred or so ethnicities with the cult or connection to it or people with the cult] will be removed. tnx

  27. Don Hawkins said on September 27th, 2009 at 8:15am #

    Has it gone that far? The bad get there way over the good. I guess they control the bank’s the policy the media no longer journalists but movie stars business and the big one thoughts. Many good if not for the thought control. The bad are now in control of an out of control system and it must drive them mad so now it’s ok to be stark raving crazy. Hell just the next few weeks we get to see crazy then more on the way. It’s like we are all in this void of illusion made to seem real on the third one from the Sun. To tell the truth is an act of unamerican activity in the greatest nation on Earth. Climate change is real and what needs to be done to try is not happening. Socialism for the wealthiest is now happening on a grade scale. The media is being controled by the 1%. War is not peace. Capitalism and the free market is the only system. Democracy is only a word in America. The American people are being controled there thoughts there feelings by some very bad people. 1984 is well on it’s way already and so is the destruction of Earth for life forms. Now if I had a sign at the G-20 and put it in front of a person in black on the media it would be called anarchism an act of being unamerican and the 1% who control more debt than the bottom 95% combined are stark raving crazy and so it goes on the third one from the sun. This comment should be removed in space and time but as we know now all one spacetime kind of a fabric intertwined. Ignorance is not strength. To the 1% and a few more get those talking point’s ready as the truth the knowledge is going to get very real.

  28. deceschi said on September 27th, 2009 at 10:30am #

    B69, I always supposed you suffer from dizziness. But now I know for sure that you have some screws loose, and – as your user name shows so well – your mind must be upside down, like the most of your insane fellow Jew-haters.

    1) “There were no riots by Arabs in 1921″: look at the source.

    Haycraft Commission of Inquiry
    into the 1920-21 Arab Riots
    (October 1921)

    The fundamental cause of the Jaffa riots and the subsequent acts of violence was a feeling among the Arabs of discontent with, and hostility to, the Jews, due to political and economic causes, and connected with Jewish immigration, and with their conception of Zionist policy as derived from Jewish exponents.
    The racial strife was begun by the Arabs, and rapidly developed into a conflict of great violence between Arabs and Jews, in which the Arab majority, who were generally the aggressors, inflicted most of the casualties.

    HERBERT SAMUEL

    High Commissioner for Palestine
    7th May, 1921

    - In pre-State Israel there where Arab riots against Jews (immigrants AND natives Jews) in 1920-21, in 1929 (Hebron Massacre), in 1936-39. To deny the evidence appears to be the favorite activity of Israel-bashers.

    2) “It must be capable of defending itself with a military and armaments”:

    To use against whom if there will be a durable lasting peace with Israel?

    3) “The caveat is that Israel must allow the return of those it expelled.”

    And their discendants, yes?
    So you don’t want a Palestinian state? I imagined.

    4) No other nation Des mentions, whatever their relations with the indigenous, has expelled them.”

    Oh, really? You must be a little troll.
    In 722 BCE the Assyrians under Shalmaneser V conquered the (Northern) Kingdom of Israel, and many Israelites were deported to Khorasan. For over 2,700 years since, Persian Jews have lived in the territories of today’s Iran.

    After the overthrow of the kingdom of Judah in 588 BCE by Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon (see Babylonian captivity) and the deportation of a considerable portion of its inhabitants to Mesopotamia, the Jews had two principal cultural centers: Babylonia and the land of Israel

    Josephus claims that 1,100,000 people were killed during the siege, of which a majority were Jewish.[3] 97,000 were captured and enslaved, including Simon Bar Giora and John of Gischala.[3] Many fled to areas around the Mediterranean.

    5) “The Jews committed unforgivable genocide on an Arab people, and a Muslim people. ”
    Nothing else than a propagandist moron can say this crap.

    demographics of the Palestinian territories:
    2,407,681 Arab population in the West Bank
    Arab Population growth rate 2.225% (2008 est.)
    Birth rate: 25.95 births/1,000 population (2008 est.)
    Mortality rate: 3.85 deaths/1,000 population (2006 est.)

    6) “What should be needless to say is that the Arab ‘conquest’ of the Middle East was one which millions welcomed as favorable as it improved the status and conditions of these people vis-a-vis what had been.”

    Get some straight thoughts:

    When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results: On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.
    Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.
    Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830 and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.
    Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran’s prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

    7) “I don’t allow that Palestinians and others have no right to change it, they have every right to do so.”

    In other words: destroy it. Thank you for your precious contributions. Never trust the Arabs and their disingenuous supporters.

  29. mary said on September 27th, 2009 at 10:47am #

    For some balance against the Hasbara feed

    The Gun and the Olive Branch – David Hirst
    This is more about the gun than the olive branch, perhaps because the latter is a stunted foliage in the Middle East. For almost a hundred years Arab nationalists and Zionists have struggled over the same piece of territory, Palestine. David Hirst, Middle East correspondent for the Manchester Guardian, records the highlights of this dispute, about which he does not attempt to be neutral: in coming more down on the side of the Arabs, he redresses the balance in the literature which is generally recognized as pro-Zionist. For Hirst, the Zionist program in Palestine, the establishment of Israel, and its subsequent expansion constitute the roots of violence between Arabs and Jews. He redresses his own editorial imbalance by fairly and accurately reporting violent episodes–from Arab massacres of Jews at Jaffa in 1921 and Hebron in 1929, to Arab terrorism in Munich, Qiryat Shmona, and Ma’alot in the early 1970s. As unsparingly, he scrutinizes Jewish massacres of Arabs and Jewish terrorism in the 1940s, as well as the state terrorism of Israel against Arabs inside and outside its expanded borders. Predictably, such violence is romanticized in both camps as heroic and necessary, either for Arab liberation or for Jewish security. By describing its effects on innocent victims, Hirst strips off its political mask and exposes its human horror and grotesqueness. While he fails to appreciate the complex causes involved (and ignores other Middle-East bloodshed altogether), he has nevertheless brought together in a short, brisk, responsible narrative the major acts of Arab-Jewish violence since the 1880s.
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    The Commission was headed by Sir Thomas Haycraft, then the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in Palestine with H. C. Luke, assistant governor of Jerusalem and Mr Stubbs of the Legal Department as members. Muslims were represented by ‘Aref Pasha al-Dajani, Christians by Ilyas Effendi Mushabbak and Jews by Dr Mordechai Eliash. The report was published in October 1921.

    Background
    The disturbances occurred during an interval after the military occupation of Palestine, but before the League of Nations endorsement of British rule and the beginning of the British Mandate. Sir Herbert Samuel had been made High Commissioner but there was severe resentment because he was known to be a Zionist. In the immediate aftermath of the riots, Samuel could not travel without armoured cars and had been forced to promise a national government.

    Read the conclusions for some facts -
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haycraft_Commission_of_Inquiry

  30. B99 said on September 27th, 2009 at 12:40pm #

    Deshy – “The fundamental cause of the Jaffa riots and the subsequent acts of violence was a feeling among the Arabs of discontent with, and hostility to, the Jews, DUE TO POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC CAUSES, AND CONNECTED WITH JEWISH IMMIGRATION, AND WITH THEIR CONCEPTION OF ZIONIST POLICY AS DERIVED FROM JEWISH EXPONENTS.

    Thanks for reading and copying here the Haycraft Commission’s report. It is precisely as I related it to you. I appears you have been hoisted by your own petard!

    And as you must know, no one would call them riots today – it is civil unrest on its way to outright revolt. Thankfully for the Jews, the Brits went on a wanton Arab-killing spree.