Comments on: How Many Died in the Kunduz Fuel Tanker Air Strike?

By: b99

b99 — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:52:21 +0000

Weatherpunk – This was not so much an ‘embarassing & tragic incident of collateral damage’ as a crime against humanity. Whatever legitimacy the US had in attacking al-Qaeda in Afghanistan for 9/11, that legitimacy is long lost. Every other government (except Israel, and even Israel would like US military assets redeployed against Iran or Syria) in the world now fully understands this.

PS – Stealing is not frowned upon in the US – at least not at the corporate level. What do you think the insurance companies do? The credit card companies. The mortgage lenders. Really – this is legalized theft! Theft is not just something other cultures engage in. Besides, in as much as the US does not have Afghan permission to be there everything in that country belongs to the Afghans.

By: ayub

ayub — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:42:11 +0000

and let me add the wtc 7, as if two towers are not enough,
silverstein an cohort had prepared wtc 7 ‘to be pulled’ right on the same evening.
all dubious records from a multitude of agensies destroyed, sure for a price again, you scratch my back i scratch yours, now for this great favour ,how can cia-fbi investigate mr. silverass?
he is in a win,win,win, win ,win …. situation.

By: ayub

ayub — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:33:39 +0000

ladysmith, you could be right, weatherpunk a cia mole, a mole with a dictionary> then this penible person goes for the spelling and not for the substance, well he will have a lot to chew on my comment as i throw my grammer to the dogs. saves time !

mumblebrain is right too, weatherpunk should first get it straight, whos’ the thief , the aggressor, the occupier, the terrorist who accounts for most body bags?
may be weatherpunk is from the old colonial era, dreaming that the earth was made for the ‘white sahib’ and everything belonged to him, he keeps all he wants and sells what he does’nt.
the master of death and destruction for, be it zulus, aborigins, asians,even boers ,arabs etc.

ladysmith correct too. when the americans say they bring freedom to you ! run for the caves as catherine would do, , when they bring their ‘sort’of freedom –it means they are setting you free ‘from’ life !!!

yes mulga
did anybody notice that more french civilians were killed by the american invading forces and more damage done to the towns and cities in the 2nd WW than the germans invading france!
and imagine the bombing genocide of the german civilians, both by yankees and brits.

how long will the true americans who believe in thomas jefferson and the likes of him ,bear their foreign atrocities in the name of israel,… sorry democracy?
when will you learn? on 9/11 your own govt sacrificed american lives to let silverstein build a new tower with his illgotten and planned insurance, let you invade iraq then afghanistan, save you armament maschine and production rolling and keeps your generals on their ‘job’ of killing. , steal iraqi oil (weatherpunky talks about two miserable tankers !) he should talk of ‘grand theft’ !

By: Major Maven

Major Maven — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:15:28 +0000

Well, it’s “Cover your ass time” again. Starting with our German Colonel Klein, who’s accused of not being aggressive enough in the past, then not being caring enough to even visit the site for several hours to calculate the damage of his decision. But, look how sensitive he was ! Used only two 500 pounders instead of the advised two tonners from his USAF advisers, launched from an F-15E platform. To destroy two trucks stuck in the mud ! Are these men professionals ? Where did they learn their “power to target ratios ?” Or was it that their action report would look better if they killed two trucks and some supposed Taliban ? And then, McChrystal makes his necessary appearance with entourage on the world stage. Now,that’s being a General !

By: catherine

catherine — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:56:53 +0000

“Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told al-Jazeera that as many as 90 civilians, who had come out to take fuel from the trucks, had been killed.”

“Saturday, Sept. 5: Kunduz local government spokesman Mohammad Yawar inexplicably revised the total figure downward, stating more than 70 people had been killed.”

Well, see, that’s okay then. Fewer people killed.

Christ on a crutch, if I were as afraid of “terrorists” as the U.S. admin wants me to be, I’d be hiding in a cave after a massacre like this. But I’m not afraid of blowback, I’m terrified and enraged about the actions of the U.S. and Australia, etc.

By: RG

RG — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:56:42 +0000

‘Punky: While you’re in here nitpicking about spelling errors, others are looking at the big picture, addressing issues such as why we are even in Afghanistan in the first place. After all, the FBI says it doesn’t have enough evidence to charge Usama Bin Ladin with involvement in 9/11.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

There are, however, many who make a strong case that government officials, including Bush, Cheney and their Neocon allies were involved. For example:
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
and so on…

By: Annie Ladysmith

Annie Ladysmith — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:45:40 +0000

P.S. If weatherpunk works for the CIA Please delete all blogs!

By: Annie Ladysmith

Annie Ladysmith — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:43:44 +0000

Obviously NOT! Blow ‘em up and then bury ‘em quick.
It’s an old favorite.

By: Weatherpunk

Weatherpunk — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:28:24 +0000

Annie, before you suggest I get an education in anything, much less civil liberties, I suggest you get an education in using a dictionary or a spell-checker.

I’m not “intitled” to a single thing in life, but I do feel “entitled” to being debated in proper English. Take a few deep breaths before the next post & proof-read your own argument.

By: Mulga Mumblebrain

Mulga Mumblebrain — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:59:36 +0000

What happened, I believe, is plain. The Taliban hijacked the tankers and set about distributing the precious fuel to impoverished Afghans, most Afghans, like most humans in this Yankee dominated global dystopia, being dirt poor. The US did what it always does in its brutal, racist, ‘counter-insurgency’ wars-it punished the people for associating with the Taliban.
The US tactics in counter-insurgency guerilla wars, where the populace is the enemy and are having a pro-US puppet regime forced on them, invariably amount to draining the sea (often referred to as a ‘swamp’ with undisguised racist contempt) in which the guerillas swim, as Mao said. This amounts in practice to terrorising the civilians in any area dominated by the guerillas, hoping to intimidate the locals into turning against their own people. It is motivated by a deeply contemptuous view of the various ‘niggers’ being terrorised, who are expected to act like craven curs and lick the boots of the boss out of sheer terror for their children and families. It doesn’t work of course, and only increases resistance. It does slake the psychopathic bloodlust of the Western ubermenschen, but like all serial killers, they have to go on killing. Naturally this truth is so precious that it must be protected by a bodyguard of lies and media liars, who peddle blatant untruths concerning civilian casualties and the manner in which they died. The latest incarnation of Western lying is the ‘protection’ laugh, where the Western terrorist claim to be ‘protecting’ the populace from the evil Taliban. This is ‘protection’ as the Mafia know it.I see the 35 year crucifixion of Afghanistan by Western racism and fascism actually coming to a close soon, for a while at least. I sense an opening to allow the Taliban to return to sharing in power coming, but only in order that they can be turned against Iran. We shall see.

By: Annie Ladysmith

Annie Ladysmith — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:40:15 +0000

Stealing? STEALING, you freakin’ loon! It is THEIR country, it is THEIR freakin’ oil, they don’t have a pot to piss in and they have to steal their own gas, probably for heat and cooking.
Bud, turn it around and ask yourself how insane you would get if some foreign fighter jet flew over your neck of the red-woods and dropped a 500 pounder on your head?

NEWSFLASH! the US does not own the world. The US does not own the oil in the Middle East. It is morally WRONG to be dropping bombs on these poor people ( most of them barely have a roof over their heads, never mind health-care). They can support whoever they care to, even if it’s the Taliban, they may camp out with the Taliban if they choose to, what are you going to do about it, kill them for exercising free-will in their national domain.

Listen guy, Punk, whatever, you need to get an education on civil liberties and on the root cause (the person who ordered the attack on the towers) of 9/11 by which the US has intitled itself to go into the Middle East and kill everyone. I’v got news for you, a lot of us don’t entertain for a second, that the “Taliban” was responsible for such a sophisicated hit as 9/11. O! Crap!, am i talking to the wall again?

By: brian

brian — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:46:44 +0000

‘Commander of U.S. and “international” forces Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal has pledged since assuming his post in June to cut back on the air strikes that have so alienated Afghan public opinion and to make “safeguarding the lives of Afghan civilians” his priority. There had been too many mistakes under his predecessor Gen. McKiernan’

black comedy, white faces….
Pledges mean nothing, coming from the US.
The way to alienate a public is to bomb them!
Best way to safeguard afghan lives is for the US to leave Afghanistan!

Stop trying to make the world safe for israel … sorry, democracy, americans…your only adding to the bodycount.

By: Weatherpunk

Weatherpunk — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:34:01 +0000

If some of the facts of this article are correct (GBU-38 munition used & F-15E configuration aircraft as the launch platform) than a glaring error is apparent at the beginning: F-15 “Iron Eagle” fighter jets require a pilot to operate/fly. You can’t fly them unmanned.

While I agree it is going to be a pig’s ear sorting out who was militant or not in this embarassing & tragic incident of collateral damage, there is also the fact that people were approaching these vehicles to siphon off fuel for free or for a price that would have sent money into Taliban coffers. If you can’t pay for fuel or you’re willing to support the black market in Afghanistan, then woe be unto you when the situation goes south & you find yourself some place you shouldn’t have been in the first place.

Isn’t stealing just as frowned-upon in this part of the world’s traditions/culture as in ours?

By: Michael Kenny

Michael Kenny — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:37:18 +0000

The interesting thing is the negative reaction in Europe generally and Germany in particular (the Germans have a thing about military forces killing civilians!). Added to high British casualties, it has meant that no one is now defending “the war worth fighting” in Europe anymore! The German defence minister is apologising to everyone who comes within earshot of him. Brown and Merkel immediately called for a conference to plan an exit strategy, although, amusingly, there has be little coverage of their statement since (I actually saw it being made) and the purpose of the conference is now being presented in the press as how to carry on to the bitter end!

But exit strategy there will have to be. Merkel has an election in a few weeks (hence all the press talk about Germany coming out of recession!), which she is expected to win, but last time, she did a lot less well than the pundits claimed. Brown has to hold an election before next summer and the farcical US health care debate has actaully helped him by damaging his Tory opponents (smoked them out, particularly that screwball MEP!). The same thing will probably start in Afghanistan as happened in Iraq: European countries will quietly withdraw their forces, little by little.