Comments on: How Low Will Israel Stoop to Win the Propaganda War?

By: Wounded Knee

Wounded Knee — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:18:57 +0000

Here is a simple question If the Muslims wanted to eradicate those of the Hebrew faith then from 638 to 1918 didn’t they do it ? And why would they in 1492 did the Muslims go to all the trouble to get the Jew out of Spain and save them from the inquisition ?. If we good Christian are so moral then from 1914 to 1918 why did good Christian kill other good Christian at a rate of about 10,000,000 ?

By: B99

B99 — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:19:50 +0000

deceschi – No, entirely correct. For you to blame the Palestinians for the holocaust is like blaming the Jews for slavery or the genocide of Native-Americans just because there was a Jew in the woodpile. Really, I know what you are getting at, and to bring the Palestinians into it is just silliness. Far more import can be attributed to the role Jabotinsky zionists played German-Jewish pre-war relations than anything Palestinians did or said. The currents of central European 20th century history vis a vis European Jews and gentiles renders any Palestinian role no more than that of a butterfly in China.

So let’s get this straight. I can post FAR more extensive Zionist – Nazi collaboration than you can Palestinian-Nazi collaboration. Anti-Semitism is a European Christian thing, any animosity that Palestinians or other Middle Easterners developed is entirely due to the role of Israel in establishing a state for Jews on Palestinian land.

As per your reply to Mulga, the growth of Hamas in Palestine is entirely due to Israel’s unwillingness to abandon its militant effort to conquer the rest of Palestine (something you too favor). Israel conquered the WB, failed to deal with the world’s condemnation of this, failed to deal with a less zealous Fatah – and after many decades of Fatah failing to net one single acre, Hamas (with Israeli support) became a counter force.

Israel invaded South Lebanon because it meant to stay there after it annihilated the Palestinian population which itself was only there because of ethnic cleansing by Jews. Early Zionists wanted an Israel up to the Litani, but were denied – later Zionists (Israelis) merely were fulfilling that goal,

You don’t get it. The UN has not changed Gaza’s status as ‘Israeli-occupied.’ Palestinians have every right to resist Israel’s occupation of both Gaza and the West Bank – and for that matter, they have every right to allies. Israel does not have its big ally? And Jews in America are not supposed to be concerned with Jews in Israel because it ain’t happening in America? Or is it you just hold Jews to a different standard?

Hamas attacks DID stop. They held to the truce – Israel did NOT hold to the truce. Israel wants no part of a truce because what’s next – actual negotiations? Your job is to get the eff out of the WB – THAT”S when resistance stops.

Palestinian intentions are NOT peaceful – you are stealing their country.

YOu can’t get out of the Deceschi – you guys came from Europe and expelled the natives. The Palestinians did not go to Europe. You owe them a country.

By: Mulga Mumblebrain

Mulga Mumblebrain — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:22:16 +0000

deceschi, as your latest diatribe shows, you are either a cynical and practised liar, or a totally brainwashed Zionist robopath. Israel attacked Lebanon for years, based on Herzl’s claim that the land up to the Litani was ‘Jewish’ the patrimony of the tribe of Asher, whose tenuous claims, from thousands of years prior, trumped those of the non-Judaic inhabitants, on the usual racist, supremacist grounds. The Israeli invasions, from 1978, were a failed land grab, like the land thefts of the Golan and West Bank. Your mob are thieves, as well as liars and child-murderers par excellence.
The northern border with Lebanon has mostly been quiet, save for Israeli attacks. Once again you invert reality and truth in your lying. Before the brutal invasion of 1982, with its tens of thousands of civilian murders in Israeli atrocities, culminating in the Israeli organised mass murder of thousands of old men, women and children in Sabra and Shatilla, the northern border had been quiet. The same was true in 2006, when the UN reported that Israeli incursions over the Blue Line in Lebanon were one hundred times more numerous than Hezbollah violations. But this was, as the Israeli Right boasted at the time, ‘The best prepared war in Israeli history’. The pity was that when the Israelis met Hezbollah (not even the best Hezbollah fighters) man to man, they got their arses wiped. It seems years of training in martial valour by terrorising old people, children and pregnant women at West Bank check-points had blunted Israeli military competence. Sure you devastated Lebanon in your trademark cowardly fashion, obliterating women, children, mosques, hospitals, schools, even warehouses for food and shops, from 30,000 feet, but Hezbollah defeated you, again, where it counted. I bet that really rankles, what with your innate belief in your superiority to the rest of humanity.
As for Gaza, yet more lies. Israel did not leave Gaza, it merely withdrew to the concentration camp wall, instituted an immediate blockade on the camp, which it has steadily tightened, and bombed and terrorised the prisoners from the relative safety of Israel. Your typical total dismissal of Gazan casualties in Israeli bombing, assassination raids and through the siege, is just that vile, racist, Orwellian contempt for the truth and the lives of your victims, who you see as sub-human untermenschen in precisely the same manner as the Nazis looked down on the Jews, Slavs and Roma, that one has become used to from the Judeofascist Right.
The Gazans were absolutely entitled to resist this vicious and racist imprisonment and siege, and their rocket attacks showed the Israelis that cruelty, racism and brutality will meet resistance. Typically, the Israelis, with narcissistic and maudlin self-pity and no little enthusiasm, began bemoaning the plight of Sderot, as Gazan casualties continued at tens of times the Israeli rate. But as we all know, Judaic religious belief is that Jewish blood is infinitely more precious than non-Jewish, and that the killing of civilians is, as the Yesha Council of Rabbis and Torah Sages proclaimed, in 2006, a ‘mitzvah’ or good deed, ie a religious obligation.
Face it decrepsi, the world has woken up to Israeli fascism and racism, and to Judeofascist lies. The Gaza abomination was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Israel is now so plainly a religious-fascist terror state of unlimited cruelty and viciousness, that the world, despite frantic efforts of vilification and intimidation from the all-powerful Judaic Lobbies, is waking, and will call your beloved horror state to account, and soon. It may be your last chance. Live in peace with your neighbours, stop murdering and terrorising them, or face growing isolation and contempt. I’d say that it’s an easy choice, but I’m not a fundamentalist religious bigot who thinks his soul is superior to that of any non-Jew, so I could be wrong.

By: bozhidar balkas vancouver

bozhidar balkas vancouver — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:56:01 +0000

Negotiating publicly by US/Isr on one side and pal’ns on the other, portends a coming charade behind the closed door.
I think we all can picture such negotiations: reaching agreements on which side wld use which washroom, dining room, sitting arraingements, no cell phones, etc.

In fact, US/isr had already put a diktat on the table and in order so that pals cannot but reject it.
The telos for US/isr being the same: we will under no circumstance establish as yet a state for multos with mosheic cult only, nor any israel.
Why wld they? Where are pal’n tanks, artillery, jet fighters, navy, mighty backers?
Or does anyone even fleetingly doubt the soyuz’ capacity for injustice? US had over four century proved its inhumane behavior.
Hebrews have proven for ca. 1K yrs its enorm cruelty. Followers of their cult in europe have also proved over at least 1K yrs that no people can get along with them.
These are ominous signs. We are now all injuns and pal’ns!

By: mary

mary — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:45:38 +0000

It was ever this. The Zionist tail wags the White House dog. Where is the law?

Obama drops demand that Israel freeze settlements

“It is past time to talk about starting negotiations,” President Obama says

Obama meets separately, then jointly, with Netanyahu and Abbas

Meetings come as hopes for renewed Israeli-Palestinian talks have dimmed

September 23, 2009 — Updated 0238 GMT (1038 HKT)

From Elise Labott
CNN State Department Producer

NEW YORK (CNN) — Prodding Israel and the Palestinian Authority to restart talks aimed at a permanent resolution of their decades-old conflict, President Obama dropped a demand for an Israeli settlement freeze, U.S., Israeli and Palestinian officials said.

“Simply put, it is past time to talk about starting negotiations. It is time to move forward,” Obama told reporters before a meeting with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

“It is time to show the flexibility and common sense and sense of compromise that is necessary to achieve our goals,” Obama said.

Obama first met separately with Netanyahu and Abbas on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly in what he called “frank and productive” talks. The session was the first among the three leaders since Obama took office in January.

George Mitchell, Obama’s envoy for the Middle East, attended Tuesday’s talks. He said the talks were “at all times cordial,” but “direct” and sometimes “blunt.”

Obama told Abbas and Netanyahu that, “The only reason to hold public office is to get things done,” and that everyone “must take risks for peace,” Mitchell said.

Mitchell told reporters the U.S. is “not identifying any issue as being a precondition or an impediment to negotiation.”

But the United States and Israel have publicly disagreed on Israeli plans to build more housing on land the Palestinians regard as theirs. Previous Obama administration demands for a freeze have been ignored by the Netanyahu government. Watch Netanyahu address peace, settlements »

Abbas has so far rejected resuming talks with Israel until the Jewish state halts all settlement building in the occupied West Bank and in predominantly Palestinian East Jerusalem. Arab states also have balked at the U.S. request to take confidence-building measures toward Israel until Israel freezes settlement construction.

Sitting with Netanyahu and Abbas, Obama softened his regular language on a settlement “freeze,” saying that Israel has had meaningful discussions about “restraining” settlement activity.

“But they need to translate these discussions into real action on this and other issues,” he said.

“Obama told Abbas that he couldn’t get the settlement freeze and promised to keep trying, but that it shouldn’t be a condition for talks and it was time to move on,” one Palestinian aide to Abbas said.

Several U.S. officials said that Obama told Abbas that although the U.S. believe a settlement freeze would create a better atmosphere for talks to begin, the lack of one should not be used an as excuse not to talk.

“Let’s not have the perfect be the enemy of the good,” Obama told Abbas, according to the officials. Watch Obama: ‘We have to find a way forward’.

“It’s been apparent for some time that the Israelis were going to fall short of what is necessary on the settlement freeze,” one senior U.S. official said. “But our view is let’s get to negotiations and settlements will be addressed within those final status issues”

A senior Israeli diplomat said Israel agreed to not building any new settlements, no outward expansion of existing growth and to only build for “natural” growth within existing settlements. He said Israel also agreed not to encourage Israelis to move to settlements, which would increase the population.

“A complete settlement freeze wasn’t physically or politically possible, especially in the absence of any Arab or Palestinian concessions,” the Israeli diplomat said. “There was a time the gaps had significantly narrowed, but now they were starting to widen. The administration recognized, rather than have them widen further, we should start negotiating.”

The Palestinian aide to Abbas said Obama’s failure to secure a settlement freeze has weakened him in the eyes of the Palestinian delegation, because it casts doubt on his ability to move Israel during final status negotiations.

The Palestinians did win an important point, however, with Obama making clear that the peace talks would not start from scratch, which Netanyahu had favored. Rather the talks would take into account progress made in previous negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians, the sources said.

The Israeli diplomat said that Israel would “take into account” the previous negotiations, but stressed his country’s longstanding position that “nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to.”

Obama also addressed Abbas’ desire to have the terms for negotiations more clearly defined, asking Israeli and Palestinian negotiators to come to Washington next week for further talks.

Next week’s talks, to be led by George Mitchell, will center on what issues will be addressed at negotiations, which will present the U.S. with its next big challenge. Palestinians want negotiations to resolve the “final status” issues of the conflict, such as borders, Jerusalem and the right of return for Palestinian refugees. Israel wants to begin with talks on a “provisional” Palestinian state.

By: deceschi

deceschi — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:16:17 +0000

mulga, your redundant bombastic anti-Zionist style doesn’t impress me at all. Actually, it shows once again that the absence of founded balanced arguments in support of your position must be covered with a thick layer of well-known rhetoric ideological superstructure. Moreover is symptomatic the reversal of values and reality your discours is imbued with: you accuse Israel of things for which in fact Arab-Palestinian extremism and Islamism are to blame for.
According to your own arguments and logic it was Israel the cause of Hamas and Hezbollah radicalism and terrorism (you call it “resistance”): Israel invaded South Lebanon (in fact it was a security belt against Palestinian terror incursions) and Israel had presence of settlers and military troops in Gaza. Both in both cases Israel withdrew entirely from occupied areas, yet the terror attacks didn’t stop, as it should be if the Hamas and Hezbollah weren’t aggressive and hostile entities on Israel’s Nothtern and Southern borders. Actually, the incursions and attacks increased concomitantly and were finally deterred only after a resolute military reaction by Israel. That means, their intentions are anything but peaceful – and never were.

Your rose water-view about Arab-Palestinian radicalism, which indeed is rooted already in the time before the birth of the Jewish state of Israel and which like a fil rouge goes with the Palestinian armed struggle against Israel (also when the West Bank was still under Jordan rule), not even remotely grasp the truth of the situation, but rather puts al lot of smoke candles around – deliberately – in order to divert attention to the preferred obvious and sole victim of your hatred.

By: mary

mary — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:48:17 +0000

An article by the same author – “‘Free yourselves from the shackles of Israeli pressure,’ the man said.” British Zionist minister froths at Ken Livingstone interview with Hamas leader

LOCATION (URL) -
http://www.redress.cc/stooges/slittlewood20090922

SYNOPSIS – Stuart Littlewood views the rabid reaction of a notorious Israeli agent of influence, British Foreign Office Minister Ivan Lewis, to an interview with Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal, conducted by former London Mayor Ken Livingstone and published in the New Statesman.

By: Mulga Mumblebrain

Mulga Mumblebrain — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:48:41 +0000

deceschi, as a fervent Zionist racist I understand that you have peculiarly selective vision and a fondness for collective punishment based on racial guilt. Certainly there were Arabs who allied themselves with the fascists during WW2. Some did so out of hatred of the Allied colonialists who were giving their land away to alien colonists from Europe (spare us the arrogant and narcissistic mythology that a land inhabited by humans and their ancestors for nearly two million years belongs only to one tribe that invented itself a scant three thousand years ago, to the exclusion of all others)and some, no doubt, out of anti-Semitism. An anti-Semitism that was returned in trumps by the Jews in Islamophobia and Arab-hatred. However one can also find ample evidence of Zionist collaboration with the Nazis, and many Jews actually fought for the Nazi Reich throughout the war. Does that bother you deceschi?
The accusations against Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran are just hatemongering lies, that Zionist speciality. Hamas was cultivated by Israel, in the old ‘divide and rule’ tactic, to undermine Fatah. Pure racist contempt, another Zionist perennial. Hezbollah grew out of a brutal, racist, Israeli occupation of South Lebanon, but I suppose a Judaic supremacist like you would have expected the ‘two-legged animals’ to simply submit to the Herrenvolk. Sorry, buddy, but you have created the scourge for your own back. As for Iran, the Zionist lies are just designed to give them the excuse for another Holocaust of Moslem extermination, like Iraq and Afghanistan which are both part of the ‘Zionist Plan for the Middle East’ as outlined by Oded Yinon and others.
What I find most odious is your obvious appetite for collective punishment. Some Palestinians are, no doubt, anti-Semites, so, in your perverted ‘morality’ the entire several million are to be visited by murder, dispossession, humiliation and every type of sadistic cruelty imaginable. And here that delightful narcissistic self-adulation of the worst type of Jew comes in. Not only must the goy rabble not dare to criticise the Chosen People for their decades of calculated cruelty and terror against the Palestinians, but they must throw themselves onto the ground, singing the praises of the world’s exemplars. If they refuse, even for an instant, they will be vilified and abused as anti-Semites, and accused of desiring another Holocaust, by the very same people who are visiting an unending nightmare of terror and sadism on another people. In short, in a world of vile and cruel hypocrites, the Zionists very nearly take the prize.

By: deceschi

deceschi — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:39:04 +0000

Errata corrige: the link was between Arab/Plaestinian NATIONALIST (not islamist) anti-Semitism and Holocaust.

By: deceschi

deceschi — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:03:31 +0000

B99: “The Palestinians had nothing to do with the Holocaust.”

Not quite correct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd1dmD1Fry4

A link between Arab islamist anti-Semitism and Holocaust was during the WWII a undeniable reality, and still today radical Islam (for example Hamas & Co., Hezbollah and of course Iran) makes no secret of its genocidal aims toward Israeli Jews. This is an accepted fact – except probably for those who secretly agree with its goal.

By: b99

b99 — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:34:01 +0000

Indeed Noisy, there was officially a citizen status known as Palestinian 26 years before there was such a status known as Israeli. Just as there officially was a political entity called Palestine 26 years earlier than one called Israel. Zionists have a way of denying there were Palestinians before the PLO used the term in 1964.

And yes, whether the British intent was to verbally placate the Arabs, what is on (White) paper is that the Jewish entity was not to take up the whole of Palestine – a position agreed to by the Zionist Executive. In 1948, the Jews over ran all but 22% of Palestine – that is, the 55% alloted to them by UN recommendation and half of the rest including an internationalized Jerusalem.

By: Noisy Tappet

Noisy Tappet — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:51:05 +0000

Back in 1922, just after the territory had been placed under British mandate, the British government issued a White Paper to clarify the exaggerated claims being made by Zionists about their ‘homeland’…

“It is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status.”

The Paper also said that the terms of the Balfour Declaration did not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded ‘in Palestine’. The government “observed with satisfaction” that at in Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development… “It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country.”

There was never any intention to allow a Jews-only state, and even the Zionist converts in the corridors of power didn’t accept this God-given land claptrap.

By: bozhidar balkas vancouver

bozhidar balkas vancouver — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:11:04 +0000

Pat,
i am also of the opinion that jesus may have not been- if he even existed- of solely, if at all, hebraich ancestry.
Even 3K-to 4K yrs ago, hebrews may have been a very small ethnic- but nevertheless a shemitic- group or clans.

And by ca 2K yrs ago, melted in a huge melting pot, consisting of many shemo-hamitic peoples.
Even the bible asserts that benjaminim who lived with jebusites in j’lem in 10th century bc were marrying so many jebusitic women, sanhedrind had to change the law who cld be an yehuda.

Thus when euroasins invaded palestine in ’22-49, they found ONE people but with three cults.
Thus, a totally a melange of nonshemitic peoples are basically killing and expeling shemites or semites, if one will.
go figure! tnx

By: pat

pat — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:05:28 +0000

The entire world understands Jesus as the Jewish Messiah ?

I do not understand Jesus as the Jewish messiah.The statement totally contradicts everything that is understood from the study of ancient texts, cultures, population shifts, the spread and development of languages and the development of traditions and religion.
Jesus, if he existed, and there is no evidence that he did, would not have been a Jew. Having a Jewish identity is something that developed long after the destruction of the temple and was part of the development of modern Judaism as a cultral as well as religious identity.
We do not know how Jesus would have identified himself or others, lets not forget both the Jewish and Christian traditions continued to develop and authors write for a contemporary audience in response to contemporary events.
We also do not know much about the tradition he would have followed.The religious traditions that were known throughout the region were variations of semitic beliefs in yaweh, elohim, Israel and many others, with many of them having spouses. Also developments were spread over a long period of time and were patchy.There was a 200 year gap between the begining of Biblical tradition at the end of the Perian period to the dead sea scrolls. The earliest Hebrew Bible was written in630 c.e. during the Islamic period. Thats nearly 600 years after the New Testament texts and the establishing of the Mishnaic and Talmudic traditions.. And more to the point 600 years after Jesus was supposedly killed. By the Jews!!
Please speak for yourself.

By: b99

b99 — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:13:13 +0000

Jose Garcia – Has it occured to you that Israel considers all of the West Bank as Israeli? Maybe that explains to you why Israel has no will to negotiate.

If we turn back the clock to pre-1948 Palestine, there WERE NO Israelis. The notion of *Israeli* was created out of whole cloth AFTER 1948. The Jews (and Gypsies) of Europe should have been removed to the US and other western countries -which is where they wanted to go. The Palestinians had nothing to do with the Holocaust. The Holocaust is entirely a European thing for which the Palestinians have had to pay with their lives and land. In essence, the Palestinians are our Jesus Christ. They die for our sins (well, the sins of Europeans, anyway).

By: b99

b99 — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:03:55 +0000

Socialism (USF) – Jews today understand that Jesus was a Jew. They see him as a Jewish philosopher, one obviously important to world history. They do not see him as Christ, however.

Trouble is, Jews are going along for the ride on this. Most everyone knows the New Testament was written by unknown authors up to hundreds of years after Jesus supposedly lived. What they wrote was not what Jesus said (if anything) but what they WISH he had said. So while it makes for great philosophy (at least the Gospels do) there is no reason to believe it has any roots in Palestine of the Roman era. It does speak well of the authors though (even if lying about Christ) – those authors NOT being Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John.

By: b99

b99 — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:56:42 +0000

Mebosa – Are you familiar with Neturei Karta? They are ‘more’ orthodox than you – they will tell you if I’m lying or not. Besides what did I lie about? The fact of the Enlightenment? That Divine Right is no longer recognized (except by self-serving zionists)?

Truth is that if you, Mebosa had lived more than a century ago you’d have likely been pouring over scripture like there was nothing else in the world, muttering ‘Naext hyear in Yerushaliyim’ – and then emigrating to America like more than a million others from the Pale. If you had been one of the few bent on getting to Palestine, you’d have lived there under Ottoman rule (like everyone else) ‘knowing’ that Zion was a state of mind with the lord – and not possibly a creation of Brits and assimilated atheist Jews.

By: Noisy Tappet

Noisy Tappet — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:52:34 +0000

“…try reading the book of genesis–it’s all in there;the land of israel is for the jews.”

MEBOSA, if you believe the Old Testament you’ll also believe Leviticus 25.23 where God warns the Israelites: “”The land shall not be sold forever for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.” Strangers and sojourners meaning foreigners and tenants (I told you the lease had run out). Even if there was any truth in the God-given land idea, you have to accept that the Palestinians have been God’s tenants for at least 1600 years and have a greater claim.

By: Annie Ladysmith

Annie Ladysmith — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:05:31 +0000

But beebee, there is no ‘global warming’, it’s been the sun all along, century after century. If Gore has you brainwashed, just think what else you might BELIEVE that isn’t based on reality. Bye-bye.

By: Annie Ladysmith

Annie Ladysmith — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:41:02 +0000

To: Salvation USA,
Yeshua Christ teaches us to love our enemies and to treat them well.
That is the whole Word in one sentence. The Jews through the Most High God have given the world every single thing that lasts including Yeshua, so don’t be so hard on them, there is a time for all things under heaven. (It is the cross that is a stumbling block, Yahweh taking the curse on himself and becoming sin for us, not a great godly image, not an image worthy of a great temple). The Jews love a temple, they’re ready to build another one even now.

There are Jews, and there is the synagogue of Satan; people taking the form of Judah but not having the birthright. The synagogue of Satan does much evil in the world and Judah gets the blame. The time for Judah is coming and it is the time of the end, but Judah does not stand alone in Israel, there are 11 other tribes, the lost sheep, (Dan is the serpent’s trail-the traitor, Manassah and Ephraim, Joseph, are split to make the 12). Daniel’s book is now open and his people will be saved, it is written.

i think i may have called you a moron (about the socialism thing), i’m very sorry about that, please accept my apology.