HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA lichen your about comment is about the funniest remark I’ve seen on DV. Deadbeat is not the one who has been misguiding and misleading the Left for the past 30 years.

Are you really concerned about MY influence? How pathetic are you?

If you want to criticize me please support your arguments with references. Otherwise you just simply sound silly and wimpy like I hurt your feelings because I am aggressively ANTI-ZIONIST. I really hope being ANTI-ZIONIST and ANTI-RACIST and ANTI-CAPITALIST is not a cause for hurting your feelings because then I would have to question your veracity.

Also, yes, people who can be described as lefist have already recommended and engaged in debter revolts before that woman came along; perhaps if you were not so self-righteous people would actually like to discuss that subject with you. Clearly what you do at DV is intentionally try to inflame and insult the people most likely to visit this site every chance you get. I think you seem to have as much insight and flexibility as USF does, and will be about as effective he is.

HAHAAHAHAHA Yes Max you really lichen to help you save face. Who cares. I’m not here to persuade you, lichen or Oxman. What I am doing is offering counterpoints to what will once again split the left waste the time, energy and efforts of ordinary citizens.

I’d rather spend my time with the “NAMELESS” woman in the video who like myself are engaging in REAL DISOBEDIENCE. That is why I call myself DEADBEAT.

Debter’s Revolt

THIS IS ACTION that it appears the PEOPLE will be WAY OUT IN FRONT and the LEFT left behind.

The women in the video UNDERSTANDS CIVIL DISOBIENANCE a WHOLE LOT more than your TOSCA scheme. Why is the LEFT so damn confused? Perhaps because they’ve been listening to Chomsky and his bullshit for 30 years.

Thus lichen I guess you must be the exception. I too was made homeless — BY THE COURTS. I didn’t care about global warming and the other homeless folks I encountered wasn’t concerned about global warming either.

IF what you say is true then it should be very easy for you to support your assertion. Obviously you won’t because you cannot.

Personally, when I was homeless and starving, I still noticed the environment and thought about global warming quite a bit; still supported that line of politics, and put my anger and rage in the right place; i.e. not at environmentalists, but at the right wing scum who support inequality. There is a big difference between putting concerted analysis behind populist rage and just lashing out at anyone in sight who is vulnerable or fringe; it also shows the true internal ugliness of a person by who their prefferred targets become. The homeless hippies on the west coast certainly think about the environment as well; not everyone who ends up poor or homeless is uneducated and conservative.

The economically disadvantaged are more likely to live on property contaminated by toxic waste, near airports/deisel truck stations, near nuclear power plants, cell towers… Their lack of education and resources makes it easier for big corporations to pollute them into chronic health conditions without consequences. They are more likely to be forced in toxic work conditions as well; involving huge amounts of pesticides, poisonous industrial solvents, and other chemicals. They also often end up with the worst, most polluted and badly preserved ‘food.’ We can, and more importantly, we HAVE TO alleviate poverty and help the environment at the same time, as Van Jones was going to try to do, no matter how effective he would have been.

Climate change is a global emergency, and it is here right now; this isn’t the 1970′s, and you can’t try to create polluting, unsustainable jobs/welfare states and think that you’re alright. There will be no jobs left if Manhattan and San Francisco, and Miami sink underneath rising sea levels. So we have to do both; to create green jobs and a green egalitarian society.

You once made a comment about gay people being racist, and further insisted that only race is an important identity politics issue, not GLBT or gender. I remember you also tried to defend the black people who allegedly voted for proposition 8 in California, by blaming the left or claiming GLBT people, like the transexuals who live on the streets, are all ‘elitist.’ As if there are not elitist black people. That is why I said you’ve made reactionary comments about these two issues.

“I am certain that if chomsky hadn’d said the statements in question, he wld have issued a protest.” Where is this statement coming from? Seriously. It makes no sense on at least three counts. One of which has to do with the obvious fact that it’s clear that you don’t have a clue as to what Chomsky says or doesn’t say… here and there. Look, Bozh, it’s not worth the heartbeats to respond to your nooks and crannies here. There’s only one overriding point to make… which advice, if you follow it, will put to bed ALL of your concerns, create clarity for you. That is, WHEN you email Noam Chomsky… DO assume that he’s too busy to bother with the kind of rambling diahrrea you’ve put forth above. This is not to make him into a God, as you put it, but rather to increase the chances that you won’t wind up being the only person this year who he does NOT respond to. It’ll be very important for you to spend some time paring down what you have to say… so that you simply ask in very short sentences exactly what you want to know… getting to your points crisply, clearly and in as condensed a fashion as possible.

By the way, for your information, Chomsky did NOT vote for either of the so-called two major candidates on the national level last time out.
The fact that he voted at all on for PREZ should tell you something… if you know what his attitude is toward people who run for that highest of offices.

Best, Ox

I’ve posited what chomsky said. He was quoted as saying what i said in my above-post.
I am certain that if chomsky hadn’d said the statements in question, he wld have issued a protest.

Richard, are u not putting lotsof words in chomsky’s mouth?
To wit: “he’s busy”; “deserves respect”! cannot he speak for self? This is like people who assert there is god; only to contradict it by saying s’mthing like, God wants u to do this and that; God is merciful, etc., as if god is dumb, numb, deaf, speechless, and blind.

“He never encouraged people to do a dance on behalf of either party”. Did C say that? Did i accuse him that he urged people to do a jig? Or did i accurately quote him in saying that he said to “vote for lessser evil”?
“The differences were matter of life or death for some” . Again, these are your words?!
However, this appears as a generalization; thus, it is meaningful-meaning less to frustration.
Was it a matter of death to a soldier, peter, lisa, or steven and a matter of life to joe, doe, lee, et al.
Richard, i am not saying that u are deliberately pulling me by my tongue.
But whatever the case, some of us do have special skills properly evaluating what is being said or written.
Thank u very much for chomsky’s email address. I have been dying to get it. And i will bring the points to him. tnks
btw, u know that i have not asked u specifically to answer my questions!

For starters, anyone who wants to know answers to their questions about Chomsky should open the horse’s mouth. To wit, they should write directly to Noam at ude.timnull@yksmohc or do it via snail mail. He WILL respond in time. Which is saying so much about him, that only a person who has not the slightest hint of how busy he is, how long he has been THAT busy serving, will fail to acknowledge that in this world that alone deserves enormous respect… regardless of how one may differ w regard to a given issue. And ON THAT NOTE, I submit that neither Deadbeat nor Balkas really has an accurate take on either where Chomsky stands on certain issues, or what he has declared for public consumption. For instance, he has at certain points declared that there are diffs between the two major parties for some people at some junctures — has said that in the past — BUT… he never used that as a basis for encouraging people to do a dance on behalf of either party. The “diffs” WERE, in fact, a matter of life and death for some… which was the point he was making always, simultaneously underscoring the larger point that the diffs were horridly small concerning many crucial issues. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT IF ANYONE WRITES TO CHOMSKY — out of respect and common sense… for practical purposes, if nothing else — YOU CAREFULLY EDIT/CONDENSE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY SO THAT HE CAN RESPOND EXPEDITIOUSLY AND NOT BE TORTURED BY A RAMBLING MISSIVE. Good fortune and do keep me posted about the results,
Ox P.S. I just got a local surfer dude on board with TOSCA, I believe. I am slated to meet with him today, I think, and (returning to Deadbeat’s earlier blah blah)… like I told my wife… he is likely to contribute more than Zinn, Parenti and Blum put together on the street, at Ground Zero… where it is important. And I am sure that Howard, Michael and Bill would concur that this turn of events holds enormous potential… for he is a very enthusiastic, very positive, open individual.

Chomsky had also urged people to vote for lesser evil. But can anyone elucidates us what “lesser” evil means? Wld it not been more understandable and adequate-accurate to have stated “vote for another evil; that of O’s”.
And how did chomsky know or expect that what US wld do in ’09 and on, wld amount to fewer deaths and destruction in afpak, palestine, and iraq?

No, he cldn’t have known? However, he cld have expected it. So, the question is, Why such not-so-subtle-propaganda or even brazen lies?

Chomsky also said that there are some differences btwn dems and reps and then fails to enumerate them. Any honest observer wld have listed at least couple in order to buttrees the generalization.
Did chomsky ommit enumerating the differences because there is not any at all.
In fact, a dem may be farther right than a given rep or vice-versa. If i remember correctly and as far as i know, Only biden has called on bombing belgrade.
so much for evil 1 [bush'] and evil 2 [o's] And evil 2 being even greater. tnx