Comments on: Big Pharma: A Real War against Drugs http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/big-pharma-a-real-war-against-drugs/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: United-Socialist-Front http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/big-pharma-a-real-war-against-drugs/#comment-54573 United-Socialist-Front Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:51:20 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10454#comment-54573 BEWARE OF CAPITALISTS OF THE ULTRA-RIGHT WING TEA PARTY. THEY ARE DANGEROUS PEOPLE. ANTI FOOD STAMPS, AND ANTI-TAXES. TAXES ARE NECESSARY, EVEN HUGO CHAVEZ INCREASED TAXES TO FACE CRISIS. RON PAUL AND LIBERTARIANS ARE ULTRA-RIGHT WINGERS. Don't believe in the ultra-right wing, libertarian conspiracy theorists. The Tea Party, libertarian, ultra-right wing movement is funded by Republican Party corporations like Wal Mart to destroy the American Socialist Parties. And socialism, welfare-state is the only solution to reduce poverty levels in USA. http://martinkelly.blogspot.com/2008/03/why-libertarianism-is-wrong-and-will.html http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/libertarian.html . BEWARE OF CAPITALISTS OF THE ULTRA-RIGHT WING TEA PARTY. THEY ARE DANGEROUS PEOPLE. ANTI FOOD STAMPS, AND ANTI-TAXES. TAXES ARE NECESSARY, EVEN HUGO CHAVEZ INCREASED TAXES TO FACE CRISIS. RON PAUL AND LIBERTARIANS ARE ULTRA-RIGHT WINGERS.

Don’t believe in the ultra-right wing, libertarian conspiracy theorists. The Tea Party, libertarian, ultra-right wing movement is funded by Republican Party corporations like Wal Mart to destroy the American Socialist Parties. And socialism, welfare-state is the only solution to reduce poverty levels in USA.

http://martinkelly.blogspot.com/2008/03/why-libertarianism-is-wrong-and-will.html

http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/libertarian.html

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]]> By: Joseph Putnoki http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/big-pharma-a-real-war-against-drugs/#comment-54530 Joseph Putnoki Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:40:27 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10454#comment-54530 A great article! Congratulations! And some excellent posts as well. We must treasure and protect our right of free speech so facts and truth can not be suppressed absolutely. Politicians, their advisors, corrupt industry personnel, doctors, lawyers, judges and law enforcement personnel and others who touch our lives and cause harm or grave risks need to be weeded out and made accountable. Severely so. But the public need to be educated and not apathetic for this effort so as to demand reforms that kills these evil practices the article depicts. Some whistle-blowers from toxic industries and media reporters often pay the ultimate price. Killed in revenge or in anticipation as they poise a threat to the evil interests. How strange: Islamic suicide bombers murder innocents as well as targets not based on rational convictions (even if erroneous) but with the illusion of brainwashed afterlife rewards and temporal hero status. And look at us the public: to lazy to demonstrate, to become politically active to remedy this terrible state of affairs! We don't seem to value our safety and health and in denial! Our active conviction and commitment to action lacking we are complicit in our demise!! The development of our fore brain gave rise to culture, rationality, and the intellectual, technological, ascent of our species. But gave rise also to insanity, and evil. And to CORRUPTION. We need to choose and install leaders who are capable, willing, dedicated TO LEAD we need ongoing education so we can care for each other as well. Not beyond our capacity. Are we willing? Be well! joseph. A great article! Congratulations! And some excellent posts as well. We must treasure and protect our right of free speech so facts and truth can not be suppressed absolutely. Politicians, their advisors, corrupt industry personnel, doctors, lawyers, judges and law enforcement personnel and others who touch our lives and cause harm or grave risks need to be weeded out and made accountable. Severely so. But the public need to be educated and not apathetic for this effort so as to demand reforms that kills these evil practices the article depicts. Some whistle-blowers from toxic industries and media reporters often pay the ultimate price. Killed in revenge or in anticipation as they poise a threat to the evil interests.
How strange: Islamic suicide bombers murder innocents as well as targets not based on rational convictions (even if erroneous) but with the illusion of brainwashed afterlife rewards and temporal hero status. And look at us the public: to lazy to demonstrate, to become politically active to remedy this terrible state of affairs! We don’t seem to value our safety and health and in denial! Our active conviction and commitment to action lacking we are complicit in our demise!! The development of our fore brain gave rise to culture, rationality, and the intellectual, technological, ascent of our species. But gave rise also to insanity, and evil. And to CORRUPTION. We need to choose and install leaders who are capable, willing, dedicated TO LEAD we need ongoing education so we can care for each other as well. Not beyond our capacity. Are we willing?
Be well!

joseph.

]]> By: United-Socialist-Front http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/big-pharma-a-real-war-against-drugs/#comment-54529 United-Socialist-Front Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:39:17 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10454#comment-54529 ONLY SOCIALISM CAN SAVE U.S.A. BUT MOST AMERICANS ARE STILL CONFUSED ABOUT CAPITALISM AND SOCIALISM. Read these comments by a former americanized USSR citizen who came to USA and became americanized, and how she deffends US plutocratic-fascist imperialism with a passion, even though we all know that USSR was a lot better as a socialist system than USA: Larisa Alexandrovna said in reply to United-Socialist-Front... Um, I am from the former USSR. Please don't try to sell me products I so vehemently scream against. It is all well and good to call basic human rights Socialism, but the term has come to be far too associated with a political system for me. Reply September 13, 2009 at 12:21 PM United-Socialist-Front said... hi, u are just biased like most americans. You gotta learn what socialism is, instead of judging it. Read what socialism is, reading won't bite you. And when was USSR socialist? If you call USSR a socialist system it means that you are "faute de lecture" (Lack of book reading) Go to http://www.marxist.com to learn what socialism is Reply September 13, 2009 at 06:31 PM United-Socialist-Front said... Oh by the way i am trying to create a United Socialist Front for the 2012 elections, by amassing and uniting, most of the small socialist parties in USA, in a single front for 2012. We need socialism in USA, because if USA doesn shift toward socialism this country could collapse totally. Capitalism can only lead us straight to hell !! ONLY SOCIALISM CAN SAVE U.S.A. BUT MOST AMERICANS ARE STILL CONFUSED ABOUT CAPITALISM AND SOCIALISM.

Read these comments by a former americanized USSR citizen who came to USA and became americanized, and how she deffends US plutocratic-fascist imperialism with a passion, even though we all know that USSR was a lot better as a socialist system than USA:

Larisa Alexandrovna said in reply to United-Socialist-Front…
Um, I am from the former USSR. Please don’t try to sell me products I so vehemently scream against. It is all well and good to call basic human rights Socialism, but the term has come to be far too associated with a political system for me.
Reply September 13, 2009 at 12:21 PM

United-Socialist-Front said…
hi, u are just biased like most americans. You gotta learn what socialism is, instead of judging it. Read what socialism is, reading won’t bite you.

And when was USSR socialist? If you call USSR a socialist system it means that you are “faute de lecture” (Lack of book reading)

Go to http://www.marxist.com to learn what socialism is

Reply September 13, 2009 at 06:31 PM

United-Socialist-Front said…
Oh by the way i am trying to create a United Socialist Front for the 2012 elections, by amassing and uniting, most of the small socialist parties in USA, in a single front for 2012. We need socialism in USA, because if USA doesn shift toward socialism this country could collapse totally.

Capitalism can only lead us straight to hell !!

]]> By: Edward Murray http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/big-pharma-a-real-war-against-drugs/#comment-54504 Edward Murray Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:39:51 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10454#comment-54504 We could stop this nonsense. We could change the drug approval rules at the FDA to require that new drugs only be approved if they are proven scientifically to be better than other drugs already on the market, or are less expensive. If that is too much of imposition on the "freedom" of drug manufacturers, then we can allow the FDA to approve them, but with a label that says they are no better than existing drugs. We could have a public alternative to insurance companies that refuses to reimburse for many of these drugs that are outrageously overpriced or being promoted off label. We could not only allow, we could actively encourage overseas purchase of drugs that are overpriced in the US. Or we can just pop another pill and make the Big Pharma feel better. We could stop this nonsense.

We could change the drug approval rules at the FDA to require that new drugs only be approved if they are proven scientifically to be better than other drugs already on the market, or are less expensive. If that is too much of imposition on the “freedom” of drug manufacturers, then we can allow the FDA to approve them, but with a label that says they are no better than existing drugs.

We could have a public alternative to insurance companies that refuses to reimburse for many of these drugs that are outrageously overpriced or being promoted off label.

We could not only allow, we could actively encourage overseas purchase of drugs that are overpriced in the US.

Or we can just pop another pill and make the Big Pharma feel better.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/big-pharma-a-real-war-against-drugs/#comment-54500 Don Hawkins Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:20:55 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10454#comment-54500 John so that's what I have too. Odd. I saved that John Oppositional Defiant Disorder. John so that’s what I have too. Odd. I saved that John Oppositional Defiant Disorder.

]]> By: john andrews http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/big-pharma-a-real-war-against-drugs/#comment-54495 john andrews Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:11:09 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10454#comment-54495 Dear Dr. Grosso, Thank you so much for diagnosing my problem. I've suffered with it since I was a child and now, at last, I know what it is: I'm ODD - Oppositional Defiant Disorder. That's me! Thank you so much. Any idea what the cure is? Don't tell me, let me guess... Keep on taking the tablets? Dear Dr. Grosso,

Thank you so much for diagnosing my problem. I’ve suffered with it since I was a child and now, at last, I know what it is: I’m ODD – Oppositional Defiant Disorder. That’s me! Thank you so much.

Any idea what the cure is?

Don’t tell me, let me guess…

Keep on taking the tablets?

]]> By: C.C. http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/big-pharma-a-real-war-against-drugs/#comment-54487 C.C. Sun, 13 Sep 2009 04:46:14 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10454#comment-54487 It's interesting to note that law enforcement, while running recent numerous stings on medical cannabis outlets in California, runs no such stings targeting doctors and pharmacies and manufacturers in the pharmaceutical industry - at most, they respond to complaints. Likewise, the FDA banned lovastatins produced from fungus grown on rice because dietary supplements couldn't be sold as pharmaceuticals - thus, they banned a natural source of statins and ensured that only the patented product was available - that was the FDA in 1998. This is the same FDA that kept Vioxx and Celebrex on the market for years longer than they should have, earning Big Pharma and extra $2 billion dollars at the cost of thousands of damaged hearts. Most of the 'regulators' at the FDA either came from Big Pharma and plan to return or hope to get an foot in the door via their corporate-friendly FDA credentials. It’s interesting to note that law enforcement, while running recent numerous stings on medical cannabis outlets in California, runs no such stings targeting doctors and pharmacies and manufacturers in the pharmaceutical industry – at most, they respond to complaints. Likewise, the FDA banned lovastatins produced from fungus grown on rice because dietary supplements couldn’t be sold as pharmaceuticals – thus, they banned a natural source of statins and ensured that only the patented product was available – that was the FDA in 1998.

This is the same FDA that kept Vioxx and Celebrex on the market for years longer than they should have, earning Big Pharma and extra $2 billion dollars at the cost of thousands of damaged hearts. Most of the ‘regulators’ at the FDA either came from Big Pharma and plan to return or hope to get an foot in the door via their corporate-friendly FDA credentials.

]]> By: John Pollard http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/big-pharma-a-real-war-against-drugs/#comment-54471 John Pollard Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:57:21 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10454#comment-54471 THis is SUCH an important issue, and completely ignored. I left the US in 1995 and when I got back all I saw on TV anymore were drug ads, which had been banned before. That was a big moment in the "boiling frog " analogy that I've never seen addressed either. There are SO many examples of this. I saw some in Australia with the "drug to stop smoking." Oh really? It had killed hundreds in the trials, and yet they were pulling vitamins off the shelves for a "possible" incident. Unfortunately, I think our collective frog was boiled long ago. THis is SUCH an important issue, and completely ignored.

I left the US in 1995 and when I got back all I saw on TV anymore were drug ads, which had been banned before. That was a big moment in the “boiling frog ” analogy that I’ve never seen addressed either.

There are SO many examples of this. I saw some in Australia with the “drug to stop smoking.” Oh really? It had killed hundreds in the trials, and yet they were pulling vitamins off the shelves for a “possible” incident.

Unfortunately, I think our collective frog was boiled long ago.

]]> By: Daniel Haszard http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/big-pharma-a-real-war-against-drugs/#comment-54427 Daniel Haszard Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:36:48 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10454#comment-54427 Eli Lilly has made $38 billion on Zyprexa and it was way oversold and caused diabetes and in some cases sudden death. Lilly still criminal on Zyprexa Please do a report on Lilly's (NOW up to $4.6 billion) Zyprexa setllement payout is being stonewalled. 8 Lilly employees who are supposed 'whistleblowers' are getting $ 10 million each the real victims like me are being ignored. I am a living example of Zyprexa gone/done wrong was given it 1996-2000 off-label for PTSD got sudden high blood sugar A1C 14.7 in January 2000.The stuff was worthless for my condition PTSD and cost me thousands in co-pays gave me diabetes. -- Daniel Haszard Eli Lilly has made $38 billion on Zyprexa and it was way oversold and caused diabetes and in some cases sudden death.

Lilly still criminal on Zyprexa
Please do a report on Lilly’s (NOW up to $4.6 billion) Zyprexa setllement payout is being stonewalled. 8 Lilly employees who are supposed ‘whistleblowers’ are getting $ 10 million each the real victims like me are being ignored.

I am a living example of Zyprexa gone/done wrong was given it 1996-2000 off-label for PTSD got sudden high blood sugar A1C 14.7 in January 2000.The stuff was worthless for my condition PTSD and cost me thousands in co-pays gave me diabetes.
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Daniel Haszard

]]> By: Daniel Haszard http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/big-pharma-a-real-war-against-drugs/#comment-54425 Daniel Haszard Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:35:21 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10454#comment-54425 "FIVE at FIVE" The Zyprexa antipsychotic drug,whose side effects can include weight gain and diabetes, was sold for "children in foster care, people who have trouble sleeping, elderly in nursing homes." Five at Five was the Zyprexa sales rep slogan, meaning 5mg dispensed at 5pm would keep patients quiet. Google * Eli Lilly Zyprexa * and read the links,this is for a product that we put in our children's bodies. Awful stuff and $10 a pill ------- Daniel Haszard “FIVE at FIVE”

The Zyprexa antipsychotic drug,whose side effects can include weight gain and diabetes, was sold for “children in foster care, people who have trouble sleeping, elderly in nursing homes.” Five at Five was the Zyprexa sales rep slogan, meaning 5mg dispensed at 5pm would keep patients quiet.
Google * Eli Lilly Zyprexa * and read the links,this is for a product that we put in our children’s bodies.
Awful stuff and $10 a pill
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Daniel Haszard

]]> By: David http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/big-pharma-a-real-war-against-drugs/#comment-54423 David Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:21:19 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10454#comment-54423 Mr. Grosso: Thank you for this excellent article. By my reading, it is both valuable and accurate. I remain perplexed as to how to solve this dilemna, though. Perhaps the current state of affairs is just what was inevitable here. We may have to rely upon the good will of foreign governments to reign in corporate America. It is obvious that our elected officials have no interest in doing so. Thanks again for your efforts. Mr. Grosso:

Thank you for this excellent article. By my reading, it is both valuable and accurate.

I remain perplexed as to how to solve this dilemna, though. Perhaps the current state of affairs is just what was inevitable here.

We may have to rely upon the good will of foreign governments to reign in corporate America. It is obvious that our elected officials have no interest in doing so.

Thanks again for your efforts.

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