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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-53211</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, mary-the &#039;discovery&#039; of the Auschwitz plans is probably yet another propaganda stunt. After all, before every Israeli ordained massacre we get an upsurge in Holocaust &#039;remembrance&#039;. Meanwhile the swine are outlawing commemoration of the Palestinian &#039;Nakbah&#039;, the Roma, gay, Slavic and Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses of the Nazi stay as unremembered as ever,  the Armenians remain forgotten and denied by Turkey with Israeli connivance and the vastly greater &#039;Holocausts&#039; of the indigenous in the face of Western imperialism, the black victims of New World slavery and the poor, particularly the children (30,000 every single day), victims of the unjust global economic order that makes certain Jews so preposterously rich and powerful, are all totally ignored. The world situation where one tiny tribe so dominates Western politics, business and the media as to make their tribe&#039;s history, its travails and its hypertrophied sense of its own importance and entitlements, probably the central obsession of our media and politics, is despicable. It elevates this one group to the very peak of human influence and power and its suffering above the suffering of all others. If this is not evidence of a belief in their absolute supremacy over the rest of humanity and the fact that the &#039;Chosen People&#039; myth is seen by them as literally true, then I&#039;m Ariel Sharon. When wedded to the Messianic dream of Eretz Yisrael, the implacable, pitiless cruelty displayed to the Palestinians, and the absolute determination to lord it over all their &#039;two-legged animal&#039; neighbours, while being armed to the teeth with thermo-nuclear weapons, this is a certain recipe for catastrophe. If at any time over the years that there had been even the slightest sign that Israel, whether Labor or Likudnick, had the merest intention to deal with the Palestinians decently, I&#039;d have some hope left. But Israel has been the cruelest, most treacherous and most cynically mendacious power imaginable, even outdoing their Yankeee puppets. so I see no hope, particularly as they control (and boast of it!) the &#039;house negro&#039; and Presidential impostor, Obama, absolutely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, mary-the &#8216;discovery&#8217; of the Auschwitz plans is probably yet another propaganda stunt. After all, before every Israeli ordained massacre we get an upsurge in Holocaust &#8216;remembrance&#8217;. Meanwhile the swine are outlawing commemoration of the Palestinian &#8216;Nakbah&#8217;, the Roma, gay, Slavic and Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses of the Nazi stay as unremembered as ever,  the Armenians remain forgotten and denied by Turkey with Israeli connivance and the vastly greater &#8216;Holocausts&#8217; of the indigenous in the face of Western imperialism, the black victims of New World slavery and the poor, particularly the children (30,000 every single day), victims of the unjust global economic order that makes certain Jews so preposterously rich and powerful, are all totally ignored. The world situation where one tiny tribe so dominates Western politics, business and the media as to make their tribe&#8217;s history, its travails and its hypertrophied sense of its own importance and entitlements, probably the central obsession of our media and politics, is despicable. It elevates this one group to the very peak of human influence and power and its suffering above the suffering of all others. If this is not evidence of a belief in their absolute supremacy over the rest of humanity and the fact that the &#8216;Chosen People&#8217; myth is seen by them as literally true, then I&#8217;m Ariel Sharon. When wedded to the Messianic dream of Eretz Yisrael, the implacable, pitiless cruelty displayed to the Palestinians, and the absolute determination to lord it over all their &#8216;two-legged animal&#8217; neighbours, while being armed to the teeth with thermo-nuclear weapons, this is a certain recipe for catastrophe. If at any time over the years that there had been even the slightest sign that Israel, whether Labor or Likudnick, had the merest intention to deal with the Palestinians decently, I&#8217;d have some hope left. But Israel has been the cruelest, most treacherous and most cynically mendacious power imaginable, even outdoing their Yankeee puppets. so I see no hope, particularly as they control (and boast of it!) the &#8216;house negro&#8217; and Presidential impostor, Obama, absolutely.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-53210</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mary, b99, did you miss the repulsive Ron Jeremy, oops, Dore Gold (with his little Holy Hat on, just to remind us that it was the Herrenvolk speaking)on FoxNews? In my opinion it was a master-class of reptilian lying and mischief making, all aimed at Iran. The propaganda blitz to prepare us for the next Israel ordained Holocaust of &#039;two-legged Islamic animals&#039;, in Iran, is in full spate. As usual there is not the merest sign of conscience as the hatemongering lies, in preparation for the mass murder of innocents, ooze from the lips, between flickerings of the forked tongue to scent the atmosphere. Of course on FoxNews the atmosphere is good- a full complement of standard Murdochians, fellow travelers with the Herrenvolk, &#039;useful idiots&#039; who know what Rupert wants to hear. To my mind they are rabid imbeciles and psychopaths, their bodies and faces twitching with hatred and anticipation of the carrnage to come. These Judeofascists and their goy collaborators are, as far as I&#039;m concerned, creatures whose malice and viciousness, whose lust to spill blood and to revel in their impunity, in their power to manipulate the leaders of great countries and their brainwashed populaces towards religious war and endless carnage, is frankly horrifying. That they as well absolutely demand our worship as the finest examples of morality extant, and will vilify, intimidate and if possible destroy the careers and lives of those who refuse to do so, is both chilling and outrageous, in several meanings of the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mary, b99, did you miss the repulsive Ron Jeremy, oops, Dore Gold (with his little Holy Hat on, just to remind us that it was the Herrenvolk speaking)on FoxNews? In my opinion it was a master-class of reptilian lying and mischief making, all aimed at Iran. The propaganda blitz to prepare us for the next Israel ordained Holocaust of &#8216;two-legged Islamic animals&#8217;, in Iran, is in full spate. As usual there is not the merest sign of conscience as the hatemongering lies, in preparation for the mass murder of innocents, ooze from the lips, between flickerings of the forked tongue to scent the atmosphere. Of course on FoxNews the atmosphere is good- a full complement of standard Murdochians, fellow travelers with the Herrenvolk, &#8216;useful idiots&#8217; who know what Rupert wants to hear. To my mind they are rabid imbeciles and psychopaths, their bodies and faces twitching with hatred and anticipation of the carrnage to come. These Judeofascists and their goy collaborators are, as far as I&#8217;m concerned, creatures whose malice and viciousness, whose lust to spill blood and to revel in their impunity, in their power to manipulate the leaders of great countries and their brainwashed populaces towards religious war and endless carnage, is frankly horrifying. That they as well absolutely demand our worship as the finest examples of morality extant, and will vilify, intimidate and if possible destroy the careers and lives of those who refuse to do so, is both chilling and outrageous, in several meanings of the word.</p>
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		<title>By: b99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-53087</link>
		<dc:creator>b99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary - Been up since 6am.  As usual.  Can&#039;t someone arrest Nathan Yahoo?  

Yeah, National Public Radio and Public TV and CNN never miss an opportunity to milk the Holocaust.  And if there is one Jew in Bhutan - NPR will find him for an interview.  Nothing wrong with the Jew, but for NPR, Bhutan has no importance outside of this guy&#039;s relationship to it.

Right now, Mike Schuster (no gentile, he) is delivering the third of a series on the danger&#039;s of Iran&#039;s nuclear ambitions.  I&#039;m going to comb the transcripts for the Iranian view, he&#039;s already given us the Israeli view - which he meshes with the Western Civilization View.  Business as usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary &#8211; Been up since 6am.  As usual.  Can&#8217;t someone arrest Nathan Yahoo?  </p>
<p>Yeah, National Public Radio and Public TV and CNN never miss an opportunity to milk the Holocaust.  And if there is one Jew in Bhutan &#8211; NPR will find him for an interview.  Nothing wrong with the Jew, but for NPR, Bhutan has no importance outside of this guy&#8217;s relationship to it.</p>
<p>Right now, Mike Schuster (no gentile, he) is delivering the third of a series on the danger&#8217;s of Iran&#8217;s nuclear ambitions.  I&#8217;m going to comb the transcripts for the Iranian view, he&#8217;s already given us the Israeli view &#8211; which he meshes with the Western Civilization View.  Business as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-53084</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks B99. You&#039;re an early riser iver there!

Bibi&#039;s in Germany where Merkel is presenting him with the plans for Auschwitz to mark the 70th anniversary of the start of WWII as if we need reminding of that horror and into which I was born.

These plans were  conveniently discovered in a flat in Berlin last year and  include the drawings for the gaskammer and crematoria. This gave the BBC the opportunity to give us another lesson on the Holocaust and the Final Solution this morning on Radio 4 Today. There was a report from their Steve *Rosenberg* ( a good non-Arab name) on here at 6.10am.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00m5xj6

The report included more reference to Iran and H Clinton&#039;s threatened &#039;crippling&#039; sanctions.

Of course v. good at real crippling esp. of children of another skin colour in foreign lands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks B99. You&#8217;re an early riser iver there!</p>
<p>Bibi&#8217;s in Germany where Merkel is presenting him with the plans for Auschwitz to mark the 70th anniversary of the start of WWII as if we need reminding of that horror and into which I was born.</p>
<p>These plans were  conveniently discovered in a flat in Berlin last year and  include the drawings for the gaskammer and crematoria. This gave the BBC the opportunity to give us another lesson on the Holocaust and the Final Solution this morning on Radio 4 Today. There was a report from their Steve *Rosenberg* ( a good non-Arab name) on here at 6.10am.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00m5xj6" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00m5xj6</a></p>
<p>The report included more reference to Iran and H Clinton&#8217;s threatened &#8216;crippling&#8217; sanctions.</p>
<p>Of course v. good at real crippling esp. of children of another skin colour in foreign lands.</p>
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		<title>By: b99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-53082</link>
		<dc:creator>b99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary - Simply deconstructed, in the eyes of the Europeans - whether they are Brits, French, American, or Israeli - the Palestinians are still not a People, they are merely non-Jewish residents who need not be consulted.  It&#039;s only Europeans that need have input.  Only Europeans are movers and shakers.  Same as it ever was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary &#8211; Simply deconstructed, in the eyes of the Europeans &#8211; whether they are Brits, French, American, or Israeli &#8211; the Palestinians are still not a People, they are merely non-Jewish residents who need not be consulted.  It&#8217;s only Europeans that need have input.  Only Europeans are movers and shakers.  Same as it ever was.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52989</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel are so pleased with their Bibi&#039;s visit to No 10 that you get the whole thing verbatim from their MFA. Yes we will stop the settlement building  yes but.. no but... but...we will carry on in Jerusalem where we hae a divine right to live.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Speeches+by+Israeli+leaders/2009/Press_Conference_PM_Netanyahu_and_UK_PM_Brown_25-Aug-2009.htm

This is amazing - a press conference with Netanyahu and Gordon Brown that talks about Iran, Iran and then Iran, and about how Israel is for peace and decency, but for some odd reason, you never hear the word GAZA mentioned! ...As if just under a year ago they did not wage war against GAZA in the most violent of ways by caging them in and then destroying from above with bombs and white phosphorus. As if the siege isn&#039;t still happening... as if only 3 years ago they didn&#039;t bomb Lebanon to smithereens....

If anyone has the time or energy to deconstruct this, that would be great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel are so pleased with their Bibi&#8217;s visit to No 10 that you get the whole thing verbatim from their MFA. Yes we will stop the settlement building  yes but.. no but&#8230; but&#8230;we will carry on in Jerusalem where we hae a divine right to live.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Speeches+by+Israeli+leaders/2009/Press_Conference_PM_Netanyahu_and_UK_PM_Brown_25-Aug-2009.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Speeches+by+Israeli+leaders/2009/Press_Conference_PM_Netanyahu_and_UK_PM_Brown_25-Aug-2009.htm</a></p>
<p>This is amazing &#8211; a press conference with Netanyahu and Gordon Brown that talks about Iran, Iran and then Iran, and about how Israel is for peace and decency, but for some odd reason, you never hear the word GAZA mentioned! &#8230;As if just under a year ago they did not wage war against GAZA in the most violent of ways by caging them in and then destroying from above with bombs and white phosphorus. As if the siege isn&#8217;t still happening&#8230; as if only 3 years ago they didn&#8217;t bomb Lebanon to smithereens&#8230;.</p>
<p>If anyone has the time or energy to deconstruct this, that would be great.</p>
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		<title>By: B99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52965</link>
		<dc:creator>B99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kl5 - I would say you were right if Israel had been created when the other colonies were, but it didn&#039;t happen until the 20th century, the Palestinians are still there in overwhelming numbers and they want their country back and compensation.  Israel can no more deny that in the long run than than did Apartheid South Africa to its rightful owners.  It&#039;s not a matter of reversing history, its a matter of redirecting it in a positive direction. Clock is ticking inexorably on Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kl5 &#8211; I would say you were right if Israel had been created when the other colonies were, but it didn&#8217;t happen until the 20th century, the Palestinians are still there in overwhelming numbers and they want their country back and compensation.  Israel can no more deny that in the long run than than did Apartheid South Africa to its rightful owners.  It&#8217;s not a matter of reversing history, its a matter of redirecting it in a positive direction. Clock is ticking inexorably on Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Kl5</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52954</link>
		<dc:creator>Kl5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The cities of Palestine are among the oldest in the world – Jericho, Bethlehem, and Jerusalem were old Palestinian cities when the Hebrews wondered in with their goats.&quot;

Unfortunately the jewish goats dominated Arab camels with European and later U.S. support. European Colonialism and modern U.S. Imperialism had never been interested in historical facts. They have rather created new ones. Are these creations irreversible? I am sure they are not. Palestine is gone. When would you realize that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The cities of Palestine are among the oldest in the world – Jericho, Bethlehem, and Jerusalem were old Palestinian cities when the Hebrews wondered in with their goats.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately the jewish goats dominated Arab camels with European and later U.S. support. European Colonialism and modern U.S. Imperialism had never been interested in historical facts. They have rather created new ones. Are these creations irreversible? I am sure they are not. Palestine is gone. When would you realize that?</p>
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		<title>By: B99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52951</link>
		<dc:creator>B99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right Ricky - Neither Hamas nor Fatah recognize a &quot;Jewish&quot; state. It is after all, Palestine we are talking about - so how could it just be Jewish?  BUT both orgs recognize that Israel exists and both want  a solution based on Israel returning to its pre-67 borders - the only borders the world recognizes.  The problem is Israel, which refuses to negotiate with the Palestinians, or for that matter, refuses to alter its law to reflect that Palestinians belong in Israel by right - and not by sufferance. 

The rest of what you type is entirely made-up and you could not even find that  stuff in an Israeli history book.

Certainly Jews arrived in Canaan at some point - but when they arrived there they found - guess who?  the ancestors of the Palestinians. Few Palestinians have majority Arab genetics.  The land was always thickly populated with Palestinians and they managed to farm almost every bit of arable land.  

It&#039;s actually the British who initiated and carried out large scale swamp draining  - they used black Egyptian labor to do so.  The Jews joined the effort later.  Too bad they did that - they eliminated some important eco-systems in doing so.  

You  celebrate that some Arab states are unhappy that they have a Palestinian refugee population in their midst? How does that compare with Czarist Russia or Nazi Germany giving Jews the &#039;back of their hand&#039;?  

The Jews did NOT make the desert arable - much less bloom.  The areas that were desert when the Jews arrived are still desert.  The areas that were not desert were already cultivated by the Palestinians.  The cities of Palestine are among the oldest in the world - Jericho, Bethlehem, and Jerusalem were old Palestinian cities when the Hebrews wondered in with their goats.

It&#039;s Israel that owes the Palestinians money - mucho mucho money.  Not to worry  though Ricky - Israel is on the US dole - the American taxpayer will foot the bill!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right Ricky &#8211; Neither Hamas nor Fatah recognize a &#8220;Jewish&#8221; state. It is after all, Palestine we are talking about &#8211; so how could it just be Jewish?  BUT both orgs recognize that Israel exists and both want  a solution based on Israel returning to its pre-67 borders &#8211; the only borders the world recognizes.  The problem is Israel, which refuses to negotiate with the Palestinians, or for that matter, refuses to alter its law to reflect that Palestinians belong in Israel by right &#8211; and not by sufferance. </p>
<p>The rest of what you type is entirely made-up and you could not even find that  stuff in an Israeli history book.</p>
<p>Certainly Jews arrived in Canaan at some point &#8211; but when they arrived there they found &#8211; guess who?  the ancestors of the Palestinians. Few Palestinians have majority Arab genetics.  The land was always thickly populated with Palestinians and they managed to farm almost every bit of arable land.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually the British who initiated and carried out large scale swamp draining  &#8211; they used black Egyptian labor to do so.  The Jews joined the effort later.  Too bad they did that &#8211; they eliminated some important eco-systems in doing so.  </p>
<p>You  celebrate that some Arab states are unhappy that they have a Palestinian refugee population in their midst? How does that compare with Czarist Russia or Nazi Germany giving Jews the &#8216;back of their hand&#8217;?  </p>
<p>The Jews did NOT make the desert arable &#8211; much less bloom.  The areas that were desert when the Jews arrived are still desert.  The areas that were not desert were already cultivated by the Palestinians.  The cities of Palestine are among the oldest in the world &#8211; Jericho, Bethlehem, and Jerusalem were old Palestinian cities when the Hebrews wondered in with their goats.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Israel that owes the Palestinians money &#8211; mucho mucho money.  Not to worry  though Ricky &#8211; Israel is on the US dole &#8211; the American taxpayer will foot the bill!</p>
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		<title>By: KL5</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52950</link>
		<dc:creator>KL5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Zionism: An “Abnormal” Nationalism)

Since there is and there has been no Nation of Zion, the question, whether Zionism were an abnormal Nationalism, is superfluous, rather a submissive fucked overestimation of Zionists. Zionists, hated European Gipsies, are criminals. They have been able to practise &quot;Nationalism&quot; only with the support of the U.S. and its European Servants in  NATO. These criminal Gipsies and second class creatures have been thus &quot;rehabilitated&quot; as representatives of &quot;Civilization&quot; and enhanced to authorized killers. God bless America, Clinton, Obama and slavery! Cheeeeeeeeers! One could imagine that &quot;God&quot; has chosen to be an American citizen and a Zionist.</description>
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<p>Since there is and there has been no Nation of Zion, the question, whether Zionism were an abnormal Nationalism, is superfluous, rather a submissive fucked overestimation of Zionists. Zionists, hated European Gipsies, are criminals. They have been able to practise &#8220;Nationalism&#8221; only with the support of the U.S. and its European Servants in  NATO. These criminal Gipsies and second class creatures have been thus &#8220;rehabilitated&#8221; as representatives of &#8220;Civilization&#8221; and enhanced to authorized killers. God bless America, Clinton, Obama and slavery! Cheeeeeeeeers! One could imagine that &#8220;God&#8221; has chosen to be an American citizen and a Zionist.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52948</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ricardo, 
well, if we slhd grant a state to  a cult that &quot;jewishness&quot; is to me,  we then needed to  allow koresh&#039;s, jones&#039;, jehovah witnesses&#039; cults, each to have its own state or as in, koresh&#039;s cult, being small, an enclave of his own with own laws, etc.

And since there are mns of muslims in france, why not give this cult a state of their own in france.
catholic cult has a state. It is vatican. Lutherans, presbiterians, baptists in US, and especially in US shld also demand a state of their own.

The label  &quot;jew&quot; symbolizes a &#039;religion&#039; [please, read:cult] it does not stand for an ethnicity
Surely, white &#039;jews&#039;  of europe are not shemitic, ethiopean, or black jews.
But even euro-asian  &#039;jews&#039; consist of  ?hundred ethnicities.
We are not even sure that arab jews are yehudim-benjaminim; they may be purely arabic. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ricardo,<br />
well, if we slhd grant a state to  a cult that &#8220;jewishness&#8221; is to me,  we then needed to  allow koresh&#8217;s, jones&#8217;, jehovah witnesses&#8217; cults, each to have its own state or as in, koresh&#8217;s cult, being small, an enclave of his own with own laws, etc.</p>
<p>And since there are mns of muslims in france, why not give this cult a state of their own in france.<br />
catholic cult has a state. It is vatican. Lutherans, presbiterians, baptists in US, and especially in US shld also demand a state of their own.</p>
<p>The label  &#8220;jew&#8221; symbolizes a &#8216;religion&#8217; [please, read:cult] it does not stand for an ethnicity<br />
Surely, white &#8216;jews&#8217;  of europe are not shemitic, ethiopean, or black jews.<br />
But even euro-asian  &#8216;jews&#8217; consist of  ?hundred ethnicities.<br />
We are not even sure that arab jews are yehudim-benjaminim; they may be purely arabic. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: B99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52946</link>
		<dc:creator>B99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dashiell - Fascism is a European capitalist form of government with particular definitions.  It does not apply to the Arab states.

You say you do not represent the Israeli perspective - but all your comments reflect either an Israeli perspective or a political history written from a pro-Israeli view.  How does that happen?

The Palestinians would very much like to have a stake in their internal politics but they are occupied.  That would be like saying that prison inmates need to democratize themselves disregarding the fact that self-governance is not a possibility in prison.

The Romans only evicted Jews from Jerusalem - not the rest of Palestine. Small numbers of Jews have lived in Palestine all along - and to this day.  In any case, the current thinking among some historians (and they may be Israeli) is that the evictions of Jews are apocryphal.  More myth than substance.  But you know what, whatever happened there,  twern&#039;t the Palestinians who done it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dashiell &#8211; Fascism is a European capitalist form of government with particular definitions.  It does not apply to the Arab states.</p>
<p>You say you do not represent the Israeli perspective &#8211; but all your comments reflect either an Israeli perspective or a political history written from a pro-Israeli view.  How does that happen?</p>
<p>The Palestinians would very much like to have a stake in their internal politics but they are occupied.  That would be like saying that prison inmates need to democratize themselves disregarding the fact that self-governance is not a possibility in prison.</p>
<p>The Romans only evicted Jews from Jerusalem &#8211; not the rest of Palestine. Small numbers of Jews have lived in Palestine all along &#8211; and to this day.  In any case, the current thinking among some historians (and they may be Israeli) is that the evictions of Jews are apocryphal.  More myth than substance.  But you know what, whatever happened there,  twern&#8217;t the Palestinians who done it.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52943</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dashiell,
It is not a fact that romans have expelled any judeans. In those days empires needed conquered people to pay taxes, provide laws and order, etc.
Empty land brings no taxes. As far as i know, empires, generally speaking, have not commited genocides or expelled vanquished people.
Romans have conquered gaul, greece, germany, auastria, balkans, romania, bulgaria, anatolia, egypt, mideast, parts of africa, british islands but i do not recall that they expelled any of the original inhabitants or commited mass slaughters in any part of its vast empire.

what we do know is the fact that romans did not tolerate mosheism nor christianity.
Pop of the judea may have been a mixture of benjamo-jebusitic, amonitic, hititic, hivitic, hamitic, edomitic, ammoritic, moabitic, aramaic, et al peoples but with mosheic cult.

Some of these people may have fled for dear life,  been expelled but mostly because they were zealots and fiercely cultish.
Some definately left for arab lands mostly in order to practice their cult and to spread it.
And no cult tolerates another cult.
Euroasians with talmudic or mishnahic cult, found that out on  skin as another cult arose: the nazi cult; as perilous as talmudic cult had been and is now.
tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dashiell,<br />
It is not a fact that romans have expelled any judeans. In those days empires needed conquered people to pay taxes, provide laws and order, etc.<br />
Empty land brings no taxes. As far as i know, empires, generally speaking, have not commited genocides or expelled vanquished people.<br />
Romans have conquered gaul, greece, germany, auastria, balkans, romania, bulgaria, anatolia, egypt, mideast, parts of africa, british islands but i do not recall that they expelled any of the original inhabitants or commited mass slaughters in any part of its vast empire.</p>
<p>what we do know is the fact that romans did not tolerate mosheism nor christianity.<br />
Pop of the judea may have been a mixture of benjamo-jebusitic, amonitic, hititic, hivitic, hamitic, edomitic, ammoritic, moabitic, aramaic, et al peoples but with mosheic cult.</p>
<p>Some of these people may have fled for dear life,  been expelled but mostly because they were zealots and fiercely cultish.<br />
Some definately left for arab lands mostly in order to practice their cult and to spread it.<br />
And no cult tolerates another cult.<br />
Euroasians with talmudic or mishnahic cult, found that out on  skin as another cult arose: the nazi cult; as perilous as talmudic cult had been and is now.<br />
tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Ricardo</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52935</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next war in the middle east is among the so-called Palestinians, to determine whether they will be Jihadist hamas or secular Fatah. Neither recognize the existence of a Jewish state. BOth are pledged to exterminate all Jews from the Jordan to the Mediteranean Sea and Hamas has pledged to kill all Jews all over the world and turn the world into a Sharia state.

The Dead Sea Scrolls is just another confirmation that Jews are indigenous to the area. Today&#039;s &quot;Palestinians&quot;  are manily a mix of Syrians, Egyptians, Turks, and others who moved there after the mid 1800&#039;s. Before then, and under rule of the Ottoman Empire the area was largely uninhabited and uninhabitable.

The Jews drained swamps, built cities and made the desert arable.

Anybody notice that all other Arab countries give our Palestinians the back of their hands? Where&#039;s all the promised aid and help and money from these places, quite a few are more than rich and can afford to help. There&#039;s your apartheid regimes in action!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next war in the middle east is among the so-called Palestinians, to determine whether they will be Jihadist hamas or secular Fatah. Neither recognize the existence of a Jewish state. BOth are pledged to exterminate all Jews from the Jordan to the Mediteranean Sea and Hamas has pledged to kill all Jews all over the world and turn the world into a Sharia state.</p>
<p>The Dead Sea Scrolls is just another confirmation that Jews are indigenous to the area. Today&#8217;s &#8220;Palestinians&#8221;  are manily a mix of Syrians, Egyptians, Turks, and others who moved there after the mid 1800&#8242;s. Before then, and under rule of the Ottoman Empire the area was largely uninhabited and uninhabitable.</p>
<p>The Jews drained swamps, built cities and made the desert arable.</p>
<p>Anybody notice that all other Arab countries give our Palestinians the back of their hands? Where&#8217;s all the promised aid and help and money from these places, quite a few are more than rich and can afford to help. There&#8217;s your apartheid regimes in action!</p>
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		<title>By: Dashiell</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52933</link>
		<dc:creator>Dashiell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL...but fascism means war, sooner or later. Try not to identify me as representing Israel&#039;s perspective, I&#039;m just a regular guy living in the United States. I do not support the US government&#039;s support of these dictatorships. I do not support the large aid that Israel receives from the US either. I do believe that if the people of the region had a stake in their internal politics it would take some of the drama out of who controls a small area termed &quot;Palestine&quot; by the Romans after they forcibly removed the Jewish population in the wake of the second Jewish revolt (c.135 CE). peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230;but fascism means war, sooner or later. Try not to identify me as representing Israel&#8217;s perspective, I&#8217;m just a regular guy living in the United States. I do not support the US government&#8217;s support of these dictatorships. I do not support the large aid that Israel receives from the US either. I do believe that if the people of the region had a stake in their internal politics it would take some of the drama out of who controls a small area termed &#8220;Palestine&#8221; by the Romans after they forcibly removed the Jewish population in the wake of the second Jewish revolt (c.135 CE). peace</p>
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		<title>By: b99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52932</link>
		<dc:creator>b99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are no Arab rejectionist elements that amount to anything. Both Fatah and Hamas publicly accept the existence of Israel behind &#039;67 borders.  Hamas has called for an indefinite Hudna (truce) which is merely a face saving way of accepting the 2-state solution.  They have publicly accepted a Palestine consisting of the WB and Gaza and Arab East Jerusalem.  All 22 Arab League states have their offer of full recognition and relations on the table since 2002.  I should say all 22 states plus Fatah and Hamas.  
Well, if you think the internal politics of the Arab states is of importance to you, then we&#039;d have to discuss the legally second-class status of non-Jews in &#039;the Jewish state.&#039;  Personally, it sounds as if your reluctance to deal with one-party states is an end-around having to part with conquered territories.  In any case, Fatah and Hamas have had a number of democratic elections - and that&#039;s who Israel should be dealing with.  Besides, a number of Arab state dictatorships  are supported by US with military training in order to stifle democratic opposition.  That meets with Israeli approval.  I mean, do you really want Jordanians offering up opinions that differ from King Abdallah?  Israel doesn&#039;t.  Abdallah&#039;s their man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no Arab rejectionist elements that amount to anything. Both Fatah and Hamas publicly accept the existence of Israel behind &#8217;67 borders.  Hamas has called for an indefinite Hudna (truce) which is merely a face saving way of accepting the 2-state solution.  They have publicly accepted a Palestine consisting of the WB and Gaza and Arab East Jerusalem.  All 22 Arab League states have their offer of full recognition and relations on the table since 2002.  I should say all 22 states plus Fatah and Hamas.<br />
Well, if you think the internal politics of the Arab states is of importance to you, then we&#8217;d have to discuss the legally second-class status of non-Jews in &#8216;the Jewish state.&#8217;  Personally, it sounds as if your reluctance to deal with one-party states is an end-around having to part with conquered territories.  In any case, Fatah and Hamas have had a number of democratic elections &#8211; and that&#8217;s who Israel should be dealing with.  Besides, a number of Arab state dictatorships  are supported by US with military training in order to stifle democratic opposition.  That meets with Israeli approval.  I mean, do you really want Jordanians offering up opinions that differ from King Abdallah?  Israel doesn&#8217;t.  Abdallah&#8217;s their man.</p>
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		<title>By: Dashiell</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52929</link>
		<dc:creator>Dashiell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the candid response.
What about the Arab rejectionist elements (those motivated by their religion to fight until all non-Islamic sovereignty is crushed)?
I personally don&#039;t long for peaceful relations with any single party dictatorships, Arab or otherwise...perhaps the region needs a revolution to overcome its long winter of internal political oppression and only then deal on the level with their Jewish neighbors.
It would be nice if the Arab-Israeli conflict was alive only in memory, but alas...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the candid response.<br />
What about the Arab rejectionist elements (those motivated by their religion to fight until all non-Islamic sovereignty is crushed)?<br />
I personally don&#8217;t long for peaceful relations with any single party dictatorships, Arab or otherwise&#8230;perhaps the region needs a revolution to overcome its long winter of internal political oppression and only then deal on the level with their Jewish neighbors.<br />
It would be nice if the Arab-Israeli conflict was alive only in memory, but alas&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: b99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52928</link>
		<dc:creator>b99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the right to a modern army - that comes under the heading of &#039;having all  the rights of any other state,&#039;  and under &#039;the same rights you assume for Jews,&#039;   and under the right to negotiate with other states.&#039; 

 I inadvertently omitted that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the right to a modern army &#8211; that comes under the heading of &#8216;having all  the rights of any other state,&#8217;  and under &#8216;the same rights you assume for Jews,&#8217;   and under the right to negotiate with other states.&#8217; </p>
<p> I inadvertently omitted that.</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52923</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to Palestinian modern army?  or only &#039;jewish state&#039; can have it.  What kind of  independ state will be if does not have a modern army?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to Palestinian modern army?  or only &#8216;jewish state&#8217; can have it.  What kind of  independ state will be if does not have a modern army?</p>
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		<title>By: b99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/zionism-an-abnormal-nationalism/#comment-52917</link>
		<dc:creator>b99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dashiell - Israel withdraw entirely from the West Bank (and end the siege of Gaza).  That means, all troops and settlers. That Israel recognize the right of Palestinians to return to their country and begin fair and honest negotiations in that regard.  That Israel will not threaten destruction when Palestine declares a state in all of the WB and G (including Arab East Jerusalem and the non-Jewish portions of the Old City), that Israel recognize that the new state of Palestine has all the rights and responsibilities of any other state - including the right of egress and ingress of goods, people and finance - the right to its own air and sea space, the right to unhampered communications, the right to negotiate with other states as it wishes.  That is, the same rights you assume for Jews.

In return for that, Israel can go about the business of returning to civilian normalcy within the pre-67 borders of the state the entire world (except Israel itself ) recognizes.  It can go about establishing normal relations with it neighbors, it can export its high-tech products to the region, and can benefit from improved relations with its own Palestinian citizen population.  In short, Israel will thrive when it comes to terms with its history and acts positively on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dashiell &#8211; Israel withdraw entirely from the West Bank (and end the siege of Gaza).  That means, all troops and settlers. That Israel recognize the right of Palestinians to return to their country and begin fair and honest negotiations in that regard.  That Israel will not threaten destruction when Palestine declares a state in all of the WB and G (including Arab East Jerusalem and the non-Jewish portions of the Old City), that Israel recognize that the new state of Palestine has all the rights and responsibilities of any other state &#8211; including the right of egress and ingress of goods, people and finance &#8211; the right to its own air and sea space, the right to unhampered communications, the right to negotiate with other states as it wishes.  That is, the same rights you assume for Jews.</p>
<p>In return for that, Israel can go about the business of returning to civilian normalcy within the pre-67 borders of the state the entire world (except Israel itself ) recognizes.  It can go about establishing normal relations with it neighbors, it can export its high-tech products to the region, and can benefit from improved relations with its own Palestinian citizen population.  In short, Israel will thrive when it comes to terms with its history and acts positively on it.</p>
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