Comments on: Will Earthlings Survive the Earth – Or Vice Versa? http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/will-earthlings-survive-the-earth-%e2%80%93-or-vice-versa/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/will-earthlings-survive-the-earth-%e2%80%93-or-vice-versa/#comment-53756 Mulga Mumblebrain Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:46:11 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10197#comment-53756 Don, I think our predicament, (and we are already definitively stuffed, no matter what we do now, too late), is rooted in human nature. A certain percentage of humans are evil, vicious and stupid. Add greedy, insatiably greedy. The inability to appreciate the idea of 'sufficiency' may be the basic psychopathology. In nature, everything comes to balance, or, if one species proliferates beyond the bounds of sufficiency, the ecosystem collapses, to a more primitive, less diverse state, and the process of diversification begins again. When this collapse occurs on a planet-wide scale, we get a 'mass extinction' event. We are now in the sixth such in the planet's history, the first caused, not by meteorite or comet strikes, or massive volcanic eruptions, but by a living organism-us. In a sane society, one dedicated above all to the preservation of life and its sustaining ecosystems, the insatiably avaricious, the predators on others, those lacking empathy and indifferent to the fate of others ( including future generations) and those prone to the use of violence and intimidation, would be strictly controlled, kept away from power and, if reliable stigmata for these diseases of the soul could be identified, drowned at birth. In our market capitalist society, on the other hand, these are the types who are in control. The system suits them, and they suit it. All other types are marginalised, or exterminated. The triumph of market capitalism in the late 20th century ushered in the end times of unhindered exploitation and biosphere destruction. The process has now gone too far to be reversed, decades of warnings from non-psychopathic scientists and informed lay-men having been treated with contempt by the intellectually challenged and morally diseased market theocrats, whose ruthless monoculture of the mind and soul refuses, above all else, to accept reality. Perhaps a useful project for our last decades would be to produce as many documentaries exposing the mental, behavioural and spiritual evil that is market capitalism, and broadcast them into the cosmos, in all directions. Perhaps some other sapient (so-called) species will pick them up in the future, and learn a useful lesson from our bitter experience. Don, I think our predicament, (and we are already definitively stuffed, no matter what we do now, too late), is rooted in human nature. A certain percentage of humans are evil, vicious and stupid. Add greedy, insatiably greedy. The inability to appreciate the idea of ‘sufficiency’ may be the basic psychopathology. In nature, everything comes to balance, or, if one species proliferates beyond the bounds of sufficiency, the ecosystem collapses, to a more primitive, less diverse state, and the process of diversification begins again. When this collapse occurs on a planet-wide scale, we get a ‘mass extinction’ event. We are now in the sixth such in the planet’s history, the first caused, not by meteorite or comet strikes, or massive volcanic eruptions, but by a living organism-us.
In a sane society, one dedicated above all to the preservation of life and its sustaining ecosystems, the insatiably avaricious, the predators on others, those lacking empathy and indifferent to the fate of others ( including future generations) and those prone to the use of violence and intimidation, would be strictly controlled, kept away from power and, if reliable stigmata for these diseases of the soul could be identified, drowned at birth. In our market capitalist society, on the other hand, these are the types who are in control. The system suits them, and they suit it. All other types are marginalised, or exterminated. The triumph of market capitalism in the late 20th century ushered in the end times of unhindered exploitation and biosphere destruction. The process has now gone too far to be reversed, decades of warnings from non-psychopathic scientists and informed lay-men having been treated with contempt by the intellectually challenged and morally diseased market theocrats, whose ruthless monoculture of the mind and soul refuses, above all else, to accept reality.
Perhaps a useful project for our last decades would be to produce as many documentaries exposing the mental, behavioural and spiritual evil that is market capitalism, and broadcast them into the cosmos, in all directions. Perhaps some other sapient (so-called) species will pick them up in the future, and learn a useful lesson from our bitter experience.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/will-earthlings-survive-the-earth-%e2%80%93-or-vice-versa/#comment-53509 Don Hawkins Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:29:33 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10197#comment-53509 Let's think of this as kind of a war. What would the battle lines look like or what do they look like. About two trillion barrels of oil still in the ground harder to get and yes about twice as much as we have already used up and we are now using it up faster. Coal still being used on a grand scale and the system known as Capitalism kind of likes more then more to keep going at full speed. If we keep burning fossil fuels at the same rate or more for just the next 9 years probably can't slow a warming Earth and in twenty years or there about's is when survival starts for the human race in a very real way. You can add to this cutting and burning as if we need more burning of the forests Worldwide and water fresh water that will become more rare like life on this planet. The answer from a few is drill more burn more coal burn more forests for the more have more and so be it. Not to bright and lazy and all done with third grade level thinking. How do you like them Apples well forget Apples as the Bee's are now going along with the forests. Pot smoking hippie stoner go hug a tree. Anything you say asshole. Let’s think of this as kind of a war. What would the battle lines look like or what do they look like. About two trillion barrels of oil still in the ground harder to get and yes about twice as much as we have already used up and we are now using it up faster. Coal still being used on a grand scale and the system known as Capitalism kind of likes more then more to keep going at full speed. If we keep burning fossil fuels at the same rate or more for just the next 9 years probably can’t slow a warming Earth and in twenty years or there about’s is when survival starts for the human race in a very real way. You can add to this cutting and burning as if we need more burning of the forests Worldwide and water fresh water that will become more rare like life on this planet. The answer from a few is drill more burn more coal burn more forests for the more have more and so be it. Not to bright and lazy and all done with third grade level thinking. How do you like them Apples well forget Apples as the Bee’s are now going along with the forests. Pot smoking hippie stoner go hug a tree. Anything you say asshole.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/will-earthlings-survive-the-earth-%e2%80%93-or-vice-versa/#comment-53508 Don Hawkins Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:31:22 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10197#comment-53508 The Arctic is warming at twice the global average causing the dramatic loss of sea ice. Nearly 40% of sea ice that was present in the 1970s was lost by 2007, which will severely influence atmospheric circulation and weather in the Arctic and beyond. The warming of the Arctic is projected to change temperature and precipitation patterns in Europe and North America, affecting agriculture, forestry and water supplies. GLAND, SWITZERLAND -- (Marketwire) Do we see any changes in atmospheric circulation now today? Yes we sure do and this is not the beginning as we are well on our way to affecting agriculture, forestry and water supplies. The deciders, have you ever heard of them, just what is it they have decided? Well first of all the problem is to big for them as trying to solve this one with third grade level thinking and doing that with a rather old way of thinking thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines well no wonder it's to big for them. To watch so called leaders all the groups, gangs and how they rationalize there thinking to hide from the truth is mindnumbing new word. Yes it is true that many don't hide from the truth they know the truth and just don't care and yet they say they do but they don't. There's a word for that asshole. We get to see many of these asshole's very soon decide if future generations will have a fighting chance and very sure many will say we can't try because it will hurt future generations the little people third grade level thinking. Anyway the next few month's probably zero on the try part from the asshole's. We need to drill for more oil keep burning coal and go shopping watch your parking meters listen to your so called leaders as we all go down the drain in not such slow motion and call call now in Clowntown USA. Yes the next few month's then what? Then what? The Arctic is warming at twice the global average causing the dramatic loss of sea ice. Nearly 40% of sea ice that was present in the 1970s was lost by 2007, which will severely influence atmospheric circulation and weather in the Arctic and beyond. The warming of the Arctic is projected to change temperature and precipitation patterns in Europe and North America, affecting agriculture, forestry and water supplies. GLAND, SWITZERLAND — (Marketwire)

Do we see any changes in atmospheric circulation now today? Yes we sure do and this is not the beginning as we are well on our way to affecting agriculture, forestry and water supplies. The deciders, have you ever heard of them, just what is it they have decided? Well first of all the problem is to big for them as trying to solve this one with third grade level thinking and doing that with a rather old way of thinking thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines well no wonder it’s to big for them. To watch so called leaders all the groups, gangs and how they rationalize there thinking to hide from the truth is mindnumbing new word. Yes it is true that many don’t hide from the truth they know the truth and just don’t care and yet they say they do but they don’t. There’s a word for that asshole. We get to see many of these asshole’s very soon decide if future generations will have a fighting chance and very sure many will say we can’t try because it will hurt future generations the little people third grade level thinking. Anyway the next few month’s probably zero on the try part from the asshole’s. We need to drill for more oil keep burning coal and go shopping watch your parking meters listen to your so called leaders as we all go down the drain in not such slow motion and call call now in Clowntown USA. Yes the next few month’s then what? Then what?

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/will-earthlings-survive-the-earth-%e2%80%93-or-vice-versa/#comment-53465 Don Hawkins Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:51:47 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10197#comment-53465 Complex decisions is that what we see an attempt at in the greatest nation on Earth. Things should be made as simple as possible but not simpler as this complex thinking better known as bullshit has got us to this point. Cap and trade is complex and much better way simple and to the point. It's the to the point that a few try and make complex. Complex decisions is that what we see an attempt at in the greatest nation on Earth. Things should be made as simple as possible but not simpler as this complex thinking better known as bullshit has got us to this point. Cap and trade is complex and much better way simple and to the point. It’s the to the point that a few try and make complex.

]]> By: David http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/will-earthlings-survive-the-earth-%e2%80%93-or-vice-versa/#comment-53452 David Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:32:33 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10197#comment-53452 If the last hundred years of first world history have taught us anything, it's that humans are batting close to zero when it comes to successfully making complex decisions. This, of course, includes Messrs. Lovelock and Taleb, both children of the present. If the last hundred years of first world history have taught us anything, it’s that humans are batting close to zero when it comes to successfully making complex decisions.

This, of course, includes Messrs. Lovelock and Taleb, both children of the present.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/will-earthlings-survive-the-earth-%e2%80%93-or-vice-versa/#comment-53444 Don Hawkins Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:54:56 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10197#comment-53444 "It's burning everywhere," said U.S. Forest spokeswoman Dianne Cahir. "When it gets into canyons that haven't burned in numerous years, it takes off." The fire also was nearing the historic solar observatory and television transmission towers on Mount Wilson. Officials said a fire in San Bernardino County was spreading out of control, threatening 2,000 homes in the apple-growing community of Oak Glen near Yucaipa, the Los Angeles Times reported. However, the so-called Oak Glen III Fire has spared the apple crop so far, officials said. UPI Is this because of climate change no this just normal. I keep hearing well it's cold in the Northeast and what they don't tell you on the weather channel or the news is the reason it's cold is because the temperatures in the Arctic are about 10 degrees above normal for years now and the ice is melting and the water is warming and changing the weather patterns those highs and lows and as the West burns and hot the Northeast is colder at least for now. Yes a little something you don't hear on the news. Buy those oil stocks and I hear coal looks good now. Listen to Glenn Beck and Fox News, CNBC or any of the business channels can point you in the right direction. Well that is if you like pure unadulterated bullshit as a direction. “It’s burning everywhere,” said U.S. Forest spokeswoman Dianne Cahir. “When it gets into canyons that haven’t burned in numerous years, it takes off.”

The fire also was nearing the historic solar observatory and television transmission towers on Mount Wilson.

Officials said a fire in San Bernardino County was spreading out of control, threatening 2,000 homes in the apple-growing community of Oak Glen near Yucaipa, the Los Angeles Times reported. However, the so-called Oak Glen III Fire has spared the apple crop so far, officials said. UPI

Is this because of climate change no this just normal. I keep hearing well it’s cold in the Northeast and what they don’t tell you on the weather channel or the news is the reason it’s cold is because the temperatures in the Arctic are about 10 degrees above normal for years now and the ice is melting and the water is warming and changing the weather patterns those highs and lows and as the West burns and hot the Northeast is colder at least for now. Yes a little something you don’t hear on the news. Buy those oil stocks and I hear coal looks good now. Listen to Glenn Beck and Fox News, CNBC or any of the business channels can point you in the right direction. Well that is if you like pure unadulterated bullshit as a direction.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/will-earthlings-survive-the-earth-%e2%80%93-or-vice-versa/#comment-53441 Don Hawkins Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:32:51 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10197#comment-53441 Rogers said the fire's appearance, almost five weeks before the official bushfire danger period begins on October 1, was an ominous sign for the upcoming summer in the southern hemisphere. Drought-hit Australia has just endured one of the hottest winters on record and Rogers said meteorologists were predicting weather patterns that would send hot, dry winds across the already-parched landscape. "Given that 65 percent of the state is in drought and there's a prediction of an El Nino event, it's quite concerning for the fire season ahead," he said. NSW Emergency Services Minister Steve Whan said the severity of the fires was unprecedented so early in the year. "People here in the fire control are telling me that they haven't seen fire behavior like this at this time of year before," he told ABC Radio. AFP They haven't seen fire behavior like this and there seems to be behavior not with just fires but human's we have not seen before. Yes Capitalism is under attack and health care reform is bad for American and the kid's there future the old college fund and old people will be put in camps or if you live in LA dropped off in West or is it East LA as part of your treatment. Climate change is to big and listen to people in $5,000 dollar suits and designer dressers they know best for you and if they ask you to carry a bucket of crap for them by all means do it. Calm at peace and think of this as kind of a war. Rogers said the fire’s appearance, almost five weeks before the official bushfire danger period begins on October 1, was an ominous sign for the upcoming summer in the southern hemisphere.

Drought-hit Australia has just endured one of the hottest winters on record and Rogers said meteorologists were predicting weather patterns that would send hot, dry winds across the already-parched landscape.

“Given that 65 percent of the state is in drought and there’s a prediction of an El Nino event, it’s quite concerning for the fire season ahead,” he said.

NSW Emergency Services Minister Steve Whan said the severity of the fires was unprecedented so early in the year.

“People here in the fire control are telling me that they haven’t seen fire behavior like this at this time of year before,” he told ABC Radio. AFP

They haven’t seen fire behavior like this and there seems to be behavior not with just fires but human’s we have not seen before. Yes Capitalism is under attack and health care reform is bad for American and the kid’s there future the old college fund and old people will be put in camps or if you live in LA dropped off in West or is it East LA as part of your treatment. Climate change is to big and listen to people in $5,000 dollar suits and designer dressers they know best for you and if they ask you to carry a bucket of crap for them by all means do it. Calm at peace and think of this as kind of a war.

]]> By: Robert Becker http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/will-earthlings-survive-the-earth-%e2%80%93-or-vice-versa/#comment-53425 Robert Becker Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:33:20 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10197#comment-53425 Thanks, Charlie: Right you are about my little brain freeze on the age of the earth. I meant to say approaching 5, not 15 billion years -- and got the related time numbers distorted, too. You know the old saw, a billion here, a billion there . . . Appreciate the correction. R. Becker Thanks, Charlie:

Right you are about my little brain freeze on the age of the earth. I meant to say approaching 5, not 15 billion years — and got the related time numbers distorted, too. You know the old saw, a billion here, a billion there . . .

Appreciate the correction.

R. Becker

]]> By: Charlie http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/will-earthlings-survive-the-earth-%e2%80%93-or-vice-versa/#comment-53423 Charlie Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:34:34 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10197#comment-53423 Interesting and well-written, but you may want to correct the statement about the age of the Earth ("our million year genealogy pales next to a planet pushing 15 billion years.") The Earth is estimated to be 4.54 billion years old. It's the universe as a whole that's been estimated to be 15 billion years old. Interesting and well-written, but you may want to correct the statement about the age of the Earth (“our million year genealogy pales next to a planet pushing 15 billion years.”) The Earth is estimated to be 4.54 billion years old. It’s the universe as a whole that’s been estimated to be 15 billion years old.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/will-earthlings-survive-the-earth-%e2%80%93-or-vice-versa/#comment-53422 Don Hawkins Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:07:17 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10197#comment-53422 This group of people who think we are all pot smoking hippie stoners heck what is there group gang. They drink orange juice and suit and tie is a must and loving there fellow man right at the top of there list and all you have to do is sign up for the newsletter and get the book and your on the road to becoming one of the beautiful people and the moon is made of green cheese climate change is a hoax and health care reform is a Marxist plot hell I could keep writting for an hour. This group of people who think we are all pot smoking hippie stoners heck what is there group gang. They drink orange juice and suit and tie is a must and loving there fellow man right at the top of there list and all you have to do is sign up for the newsletter and get the book and your on the road to becoming one of the beautiful people and the moon is made of green cheese climate change is a hoax and health care reform is a Marxist plot hell I could keep writting for an hour.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/will-earthlings-survive-the-earth-%e2%80%93-or-vice-versa/#comment-53418 Don Hawkins Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:07:18 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10197#comment-53418 “grow, baby, grow” then we must “build, baby, build” and “drill, baby, drill” And tonight on the Glenn Beck show and what a show it is Capitalism is under attack and in the White House right now Marxists with much power and Democrats and republicans independents wake up. Then he said something about pot smoking hippie stoners. I think many think like Glenn and somehow the story doesn't have a good ending pot smoking hippie stoners “grow, baby, grow” then we must “build, baby, build” and “drill, baby, drill”

And tonight on the Glenn Beck show and what a show it is Capitalism is under attack and in the White House right now Marxists with much power and Democrats and republicans independents wake up. Then he said something about pot smoking hippie stoners. I think many think like Glenn and somehow the story doesn’t have a good ending pot smoking hippie stoners

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/will-earthlings-survive-the-earth-%e2%80%93-or-vice-versa/#comment-53411 Don Hawkins Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:00:57 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10197#comment-53411 Australia, California, Canada, Utah, Alaska, Europe, the forests are burning people. On many of the reports, articles I read at the end they will say and some say climate change could be one reason, what. It is not one reason it is the reason. http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2009/08/31/our-best-guess-about-global-warming-may-be-wrong/ In about six months we will know if the World will try. So far it doesn't look good. A Herculean effort is needed so should be kind of easy to see. Australia, California, Canada, Utah, Alaska, Europe, the forests are burning people. On many of the reports, articles I read at the end they will say and some say climate change could be one reason, what. It is not one reason it is the reason.

http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2009/08/31/our-best-guess-about-global-warming-may-be-wrong/

In about six months we will know if the World will try. So far it doesn’t look good. A Herculean effort is needed so should be kind of easy to see.

]]> By: Justin http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/will-earthlings-survive-the-earth-%e2%80%93-or-vice-versa/#comment-53397 Justin Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:03:19 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10197#comment-53397 There are some fields of biology and ecology which champion a cornucopian view of the environment; that is, with our potential technologies (we've certainly sacrificed many for destructive technologies), we have the ability to interact with the land so as to promote bounty as opposed to dearth. It seems to me that, yes, we are entering a considerable human bottleneck, and that, most importantly, it is being used by the influential as a means to an end. That is, to thrust upon the underclass of the globe a totalitarian system that hoardes resources for the center of the empire (the superclass). Unfortunately, as resources become more scarce (as they already artificially are), people will turn inwards and rely moreso upon the instinct of self-preservation. Paradigm shifts do come out of the blue; a morsel of hope. 9/11 was an inside job so as to, according to the Project for a New american Century, achieve "the social transformation desired." There are some fields of biology and ecology which champion a cornucopian view of the environment; that is, with our potential technologies (we’ve certainly sacrificed many for destructive technologies), we have the ability to interact with the land so as to promote bounty as opposed to dearth.

It seems to me that, yes, we are entering a considerable human bottleneck, and that, most importantly, it is being used by the influential as a means to an end. That is, to thrust upon the underclass of the globe a totalitarian system that hoardes resources for the center of the empire (the superclass).

Unfortunately, as resources become more scarce (as they already artificially are), people will turn inwards and rely moreso upon the instinct of self-preservation. Paradigm shifts do come out of the blue; a morsel of hope.

9/11 was an inside job so as to, according to the Project for a New american Century, achieve “the social transformation desired.”

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