Comments on: The Obstacles to Real Health Care Reform: Private Insurers and Big PhRMA http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-obstacles-to-real-health-care-reform-private-insurers-and-big-phrma/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: kalidas http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-obstacles-to-real-health-care-reform-private-insurers-and-big-phrma/#comment-52775 kalidas Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:35:09 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10016#comment-52775 Every day they have on sale at Whole Foods the standard liberal fare.. Big ole yellow plastic bananas. Every day they have on sale at Whole Foods the standard liberal fare..
Big ole yellow plastic bananas.

]]> By: Group Health Plans NY http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-obstacles-to-real-health-care-reform-private-insurers-and-big-phrma/#comment-52754 Group Health Plans NY Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:20:12 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10016#comment-52754 Well everybody makes shop at the same way well we found there is different kind of supermarket and many crisis in the food range but we must spend wisely our money to those important items first... Well everybody makes shop at the same way well we found there is different kind of supermarket and many crisis in the food range but we must spend wisely our money to those important items first…

]]> By: Danny Ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-obstacles-to-real-health-care-reform-private-insurers-and-big-phrma/#comment-52732 Danny Ray Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:32:36 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10016#comment-52732 Mary I shop at the whole foods store in Destin Florida a great deal. The average estimated income for store patrons there is about 100K no one in that salary range gives a damn about the great unwashed masses or if they have health insurance or not. This is a VERY upscale market, not a co op at all. Mary I shop at the whole foods store in Destin Florida a great deal. The average estimated income for store patrons there is about 100K no one in that salary range gives a damn about the great unwashed masses or if they have health insurance or not. This is a VERY upscale market, not a co op at all.

]]> By: B99 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-obstacles-to-real-health-care-reform-private-insurers-and-big-phrma/#comment-52721 B99 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:30:08 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10016#comment-52721 Indeed Mary, I've shopped in Whole Foods only occasionally and reluctantly since their founding where it was revealed it was anti-union, anti-cooperative and pro muscling-out smaller shops and neighborhood stores. I'll not set foot in one again under any circumstances. Indeed Mary, I’ve shopped in Whole Foods only occasionally and reluctantly since their founding where it was revealed it was anti-union, anti-cooperative and pro muscling-out smaller shops and neighborhood stores. I’ll not set foot in one again under any circumstances.

]]> By: mary http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-obstacles-to-real-health-care-reform-private-insurers-and-big-phrma/#comment-52719 mary Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:18:40 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10016#comment-52719 Foot in mouth syndrome or shot in foot. Hilarious. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8216685.stm It's the shop where wealthy American liberals buy their groceries. But the American supermarket chain Whole Foods Market has found itself at the centre of a storm of controversy after its chief executive, John Mackey, wrote an op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal presenting a free market alternative to President Obama's proposed healthcare reforms. Mr Mackey began his article with a quote from Margaret Thatcher and went on to add that Americans do not have an intrinsic right to healthcare - an idea strongly at odds with the views of a large proportion of Whole Foods' customer base. /continues.... Foot in mouth syndrome or shot in foot. Hilarious.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8216685.stm

It’s the shop where wealthy American liberals buy their groceries.

But the American supermarket chain Whole Foods Market has found itself at the centre of a storm of controversy after its chief executive, John Mackey, wrote an op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal presenting a free market alternative to President Obama’s proposed healthcare reforms.

Mr Mackey began his article with a quote from Margaret Thatcher and went on to add that Americans do not have an intrinsic right to healthcare – an idea strongly at odds with the views of a large proportion of Whole Foods’ customer base.

/continues….

]]> By: jacksmith http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-obstacles-to-real-health-care-reform-private-insurers-and-big-phrma/#comment-52683 jacksmith Sun, 23 Aug 2009 05:41:56 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10016#comment-52683 NO CO-OP'S! A Little History Lesson Young People. America needs your help. More than two thirds of the American people want a single payer health care system. And if they cant have a single payer system 77% of all Americans want a strong government-run public option on day one (86% of democrats, 75% of independents, and 72% republicans). Basically everyone. Our last great economic catastrophe was called the Great Depression. Then as now it was caused by a reckless, and corrupt Republican administration and republican congress. FDR a Democrat, was then elected to save the nation and the American people from the unbridled GREED and profiteering, of the unregulated predatory self-interest of the banking industry and Wallstreet. Just like now. FDR proposed a Government-run health insurance plan to go with Social Security. To assure all Americans high quality, easily accessible, affordable, National Healthcare security. Regardless of where you lived, worked, or your ability to pay. But the AMA riled against it. Using all manor of scare tactics, like Calling it SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!! :-0 So FDR established thousands of co-op's around the country in rural America. And all of them failed. The biggest of these co-op organizations would become the grandfather of the predatory monster that all of you know today as the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance industry. And the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT healthcare industry. This former co-op would grow so powerful that it would corrupt every aspect of healthcare delivery in America. Even corrupting the Government of the United States. This former co-op's name is BLUE CROSS/BLUE SHIELD. Do you see now why even the suggestion of co-op's is ridiculous. It makes me so ANGRY! Co-op's are not a substitute for a government-run public option. They are trying to pull the wool over our eye's again. Senators, if you don't have the votes now, GET THEM! Or turn them over to us. WE WILL! DEAL WITH THEM. Why do you think we gave your party Control of the House, Control of the Senate, Control of the Whitehouse. The only option on the table that has any chance of fixing our healthcare crisis is a STRONG GOVERNMENT-RUN PUBLIC OPTION. An insurance mandate and subsidies without a strong government-run public option choice available on day one, would be worse than the healthcare catastrophe we have now. The insurance, and healthcare industry have been very successful at exploiting the good hearts of the American people. But Congress and the president must not let that happen this time. House Progressives and members of the Tri-caucus must continue to hold firm on their demand for a strong Government-run public option. A healthcare reform bill with mandates and subsidies but without a STRONG government-run public option choice on day one, would be much worse than NO healthcare reform at all. So you must be strong and KILL IT! if you have too. And let the chips fall where they may. You can do insurance reform without mandates, subsidies, or taxpayer expense. Actually, no tax payer funds should be use to subsidize any private for profit insurance plans. So, NO TAX PAYER SUBSIDIZES TO PRIVATE FOR PROFIT PLANS. Tax payer funds should only be used to subsidize the public plans. Healthcare reform should be 100% for the American people. Not another taxpayer bailout of the private for profit insurance industry, disguised as healthcare reform for the people. God Bless You Jacksmith — Working Class Twitter search #welovetheNHS #NHS Check it out (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/why-markets-cant-cure-healthcare/) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbWw23XwO5o) CYBER WARRIORS!! - TAKE THIS VIRAL NO CO-OP’S! A Little History Lesson

Young People. America needs your help.

More than two thirds of the American people want a single payer health care system. And if they cant have a single payer system 77% of all Americans want a strong government-run public option on day one (86% of democrats, 75% of independents, and 72% republicans). Basically everyone.

Our last great economic catastrophe was called the Great Depression. Then as now it was caused by a reckless, and corrupt Republican administration and republican congress. FDR a Democrat, was then elected to save the nation and the American people from the unbridled GREED and profiteering, of the unregulated predatory self-interest of the banking industry and Wallstreet. Just like now.

FDR proposed a Government-run health insurance plan to go with Social Security. To assure all Americans high quality, easily accessible, affordable, National Healthcare security. Regardless of where you lived, worked, or your ability to pay. But the AMA riled against it. Using all manor of scare tactics, like Calling it SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!! :-0

So FDR established thousands of co-op’s around the country in rural America. And all of them failed. The biggest of these co-op organizations would become the grandfather of the predatory monster that all of you know today as the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance industry. And the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT healthcare industry.

This former co-op would grow so powerful that it would corrupt every aspect of healthcare delivery in America. Even corrupting the Government of the United States.

This former co-op’s name is BLUE CROSS/BLUE SHIELD.

Do you see now why even the suggestion of co-op’s is ridiculous. It makes me so ANGRY! Co-op’s are not a substitute for a government-run public option.

They are trying to pull the wool over our eye’s again. Senators, if you don’t have the votes now, GET THEM! Or turn them over to us. WE WILL! DEAL WITH THEM. Why do you think we gave your party Control of the House, Control of the Senate, Control of the Whitehouse. The only option on the table that has any chance of fixing our healthcare crisis is a STRONG GOVERNMENT-RUN PUBLIC OPTION.

An insurance mandate and subsidies without a strong government-run public option choice available on day one, would be worse than the healthcare catastrophe we have now. The insurance, and healthcare industry have been very successful at exploiting the good hearts of the American people. But Congress and the president must not let that happen this time. House Progressives and members of the Tri-caucus must continue to hold firm on their demand for a strong Government-run public option.

A healthcare reform bill with mandates and subsidies but without a STRONG government-run public option choice on day one, would be much worse than NO healthcare reform at all. So you must be strong and KILL IT! if you have too. And let the chips fall where they may. You can do insurance reform without mandates, subsidies, or taxpayer expense.

Actually, no tax payer funds should be use to subsidize any private for profit insurance plans. So, NO TAX PAYER SUBSIDIZES TO PRIVATE FOR PROFIT PLANS. Tax payer funds should only be used to subsidize the public plans. Healthcare reform should be 100% for the American people. Not another taxpayer bailout of the private for profit insurance industry, disguised as healthcare reform for the people.

God Bless You

Jacksmith — Working Class

Twitter search #welovetheNHS #NHS Check it out

(http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/why-markets-cant-cure-healthcare/)

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbWw23XwO5o) CYBER WARRIORS!! – TAKE THIS VIRAL

]]> By: Obstreperous http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-obstacles-to-real-health-care-reform-private-insurers-and-big-phrma/#comment-52682 Obstreperous Sun, 23 Aug 2009 05:30:17 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10016#comment-52682 It is hilarious to hear about "predatory Pharma" when it is Pharma that is going through its final death throes because of a regulatory system that enforces enormous development costs and development times, yet has gradually removed the ability to recover on those investments. It is a shame that the world's governments have chosen to kill the goose that laid the golden egg...the new pharmaceuticals that reduce health care costs by allowing for the prevention of more costly medical care. The pitiful remnants of this once great industry are simply trying to make a bargain with government to retain some sort of meager existence. It is the world that will suffer because we are unwilling to invest in discovery. If we wish to control drug costs then we need to control the drivers of those costs, which are the mandated clinical trials and data needed for approvals. We need safety & efficacy studies, but we have to balance those requirements with what we are willing to pay for those discoveries. Even in a socialized system, nothing is free...it's just that the costs are hidden. There seems to be no interest in this discussion, so we will have to go through a "dark ages" of medical care before society wakes up to the problem. It is unfortunate that we have to subject a generation or more of the world's population to this short-sightedness. It is hilarious to hear about “predatory Pharma” when it is Pharma that is going through its final death throes because of a regulatory system that enforces enormous development costs and development times, yet has gradually removed the ability to recover on those investments. It is a shame that the world’s governments have chosen to kill the goose that laid the golden egg…the new pharmaceuticals that reduce health care costs by allowing for the prevention of more costly medical care. The pitiful remnants of this once great industry are simply trying to make a bargain with government to retain some sort of meager existence. It is the world that will suffer because we are unwilling to invest in discovery. If we wish to control drug costs then we need to control the drivers of those costs, which are the mandated clinical trials and data needed for approvals. We need safety & efficacy studies, but we have to balance those requirements with what we are willing to pay for those discoveries. Even in a socialized system, nothing is free…it’s just that the costs are hidden. There seems to be no interest in this discussion, so we will have to go through a “dark ages” of medical care before society wakes up to the problem. It is unfortunate that we have to subject a generation or more of the world’s population to this short-sightedness.

]]> By: Brittancus http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-obstacles-to-real-health-care-reform-private-insurers-and-big-phrma/#comment-52677 Brittancus Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:51:19 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10016#comment-52677 Even though the Democrats have stated that illegal immigrants, will not have access to Americans health care, it can easily be compromised by fraudulent use of stolen ID. BUT WE ALL SEEM TO FORGET, THAT IF THE DEMOCRATS PASS A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP--OR BLANKET AMNESTY. AS NEW CITIZENS ALONG WITH THEIR FAMILIES THEY CAN SPONSOR THE OUTER CIRCLE OF FAMILY MEMBERS THEY THEN WILL BE ABLE TO CONVENIENTLY ACCESS--HEALTH CARE--WITHOUT ANY RESTRAINTS? Everybody in the workplace must be carefully vetted for inconsistencies with a progressively upgraded E-Verify. Even without stealing into the reformed health care system by federal law the taxpayers must support illegal immigrants for emergency medical services. Foreign nationals use this mandatory law, as an excuse for any kind of minor injury or illness. The travesty that drives the faltering health care system is of course money. Everyday our televisions are monotonously inundated with adverts about new drugs and medicine. Personally I'm sick of the continuous kaleidescope of ads, trying to program our brains to buy another boring antihistamine? We should also question the majority of Republicans, why there are rumors of a dark conspiracy? Could it be that that these people have a cemented interest in killing any type of reform? How many of these politicians have secret stocks in multi-bed hospitals, greedy profiteering insurance firms or the pharmaceutical industry. THE QUESTION THAT MUST BE ASKED IS, WHO HAS VOTED AGAINST A PUBLIC OPTION? WHICH POLITICIANS HAVE A FINANCIAL STAKE IN KILLING ANY REFORM? IS THERE INFORMATION THAT ANSWERS THESE QUESTIONS? THINK ABOUT IT? My health care experience was mainly in England and Australia and prior to the mass immigration invasion was positively first class. FIRST CLASS AND EXEMPLARY! Of course the status quo doesn't want any change in the trillion dollar medical complex, because it could strictly confine a multitude of new common sense laws? Sadly, I have listened to lies sprouting from the special interest lobby over the airwaves for weeks. Trouble is, a majority of the American people believe this tripe that we are constantly bombarded with? We are still conveying many entitlement programs to illegal aliens and their families, with extorted taxes.We have always been the recipients of business welfare and likely always will be, because the pariah businesses that hire illegals, never pay anything to their support. GET RAW ANSWERS AT NUMBERSUSA Tell those in WASHINGTON no more AMNESTIES. USE ATTRITION TO DEPORT THEM THROUGH E-VERIFY, 287 G, NO MATCH SOCIAL SECURITY LETTERS AND LIGHTENING ICE RAIDS. CONTACT YOUR POLITICIAN 202-224-3121 AND DEMAND NO WEAKENING OF CURRENT LAWS? Even though the Democrats have stated that illegal immigrants, will not have access to Americans health care, it can easily be compromised by fraudulent use of stolen ID. BUT WE ALL SEEM TO FORGET, THAT IF THE DEMOCRATS PASS A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP–OR BLANKET AMNESTY. AS NEW CITIZENS ALONG WITH THEIR FAMILIES THEY CAN SPONSOR THE OUTER CIRCLE OF FAMILY MEMBERS THEY THEN WILL BE ABLE TO CONVENIENTLY ACCESS–HEALTH CARE–WITHOUT ANY RESTRAINTS?
Everybody in the workplace must be carefully vetted for inconsistencies with a progressively upgraded E-Verify. Even without stealing into the reformed health care system by federal law the taxpayers must support illegal immigrants for emergency medical services. Foreign nationals use this mandatory law, as an excuse for any kind of minor injury or illness.

The travesty that drives the faltering health care system is of course money. Everyday our televisions are monotonously inundated with adverts about new drugs and medicine. Personally I’m sick of the continuous kaleidescope of ads, trying to program our brains to buy another boring antihistamine? We should also question the majority of Republicans, why there are rumors of a dark conspiracy? Could it be that that these people have a cemented interest in killing any type of reform? How many of these politicians have secret stocks in multi-bed hospitals, greedy profiteering insurance firms or the pharmaceutical industry. THE QUESTION THAT MUST BE ASKED IS, WHO HAS VOTED AGAINST A PUBLIC OPTION? WHICH POLITICIANS HAVE A FINANCIAL STAKE IN KILLING ANY REFORM? IS THERE INFORMATION THAT ANSWERS THESE QUESTIONS? THINK ABOUT IT?

My health care experience was mainly in England and Australia and prior to the mass immigration invasion was positively first class. FIRST CLASS AND EXEMPLARY!

Of course the status quo doesn’t want any change in the trillion dollar medical complex, because it could strictly confine a multitude of new common sense laws? Sadly, I have listened to lies sprouting from the special interest lobby over the airwaves for weeks. Trouble is, a majority of the American people believe this tripe that we are constantly bombarded with?

We are still conveying many entitlement programs to illegal aliens and their families, with extorted taxes.We have always been the recipients of business welfare and likely always will be, because the pariah businesses that hire illegals, never pay anything to their support. GET RAW ANSWERS AT NUMBERSUSA Tell those in WASHINGTON no more AMNESTIES. USE ATTRITION TO DEPORT THEM THROUGH E-VERIFY, 287 G, NO MATCH SOCIAL SECURITY LETTERS AND LIGHTENING ICE RAIDS. CONTACT YOUR POLITICIAN 202-224-3121 AND DEMAND NO WEAKENING OF CURRENT LAWS?

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-obstacles-to-real-health-care-reform-private-insurers-and-big-phrma/#comment-52611 Don Hawkins Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:10:28 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=10016#comment-52611 Stephen I found your article fair and balanced and we must remember that's just the way the World work's. Hay that's why they call them big pharma or big coal or big oil they are big. If we were all on a boat together they the big people get to be on the upper deck that's just the way it work's. This system has worked well now for a few thousand years and why change it now. Listen to your leaders and watch your parking meters as we steam off into the abyss. Full speed ahead growth the private sector is really the only people who can run things right I mean just look at the post office. I have to admit the letters I send seem to make it but have you seen the cost of a stamp? We need to put our trust in Golsman Saks and Wall Street and our leaders high upon the hill they know best that's why they call them leaders. I am going to go watch Cashin In on Fox now and feel better about myself it seems to always' help. Oh and think of this as kind of a war. Stephen I found your article fair and balanced and we must remember that’s just the way the World work’s. Hay that’s why they call them big pharma or big coal or big oil they are big. If we were all on a boat together they the big people get to be on the upper deck that’s just the way it work’s. This system has worked well now for a few thousand years and why change it now. Listen to your leaders and watch your parking meters as we steam off into the abyss. Full speed ahead growth the private sector is really the only people who can run things right I mean just look at the post office. I have to admit the letters I send seem to make it but have you seen the cost of a stamp? We need to put our trust in Golsman Saks and Wall Street and our leaders high upon the hill they know best that’s why they call them leaders. I am going to go watch Cashin In on Fox now and feel better about myself it seems to always’ help. Oh and think of this as kind of a war.

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