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		<title>By: hmmm</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-bastards-never-die/#comment-51456</link>
		<dc:creator>hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And how many bought clunkers so they could trade them in?&quot;

No0ne.  You&#039;d have to have owned, insured and registered the car in your name for at least a year.  As per readily available program details.  But hey, who has the time to read.  It&#039;s much easier to live in the fact free &quot;progressive&quot; zone and blast the &quot;bastards&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And how many bought clunkers so they could trade them in?&#8221;</p>
<p>No0ne.  You&#8217;d have to have owned, insured and registered the car in your name for at least a year.  As per readily available program details.  But hey, who has the time to read.  It&#8217;s much easier to live in the fact free &#8220;progressive&#8221; zone and blast the &#8220;bastards&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: hmmm</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-bastards-never-die/#comment-51455</link>
		<dc:creator>hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Did it ever occur to them to give the clunkers to the poor who don’t have a car to get to work or find a job.&quot;

Spoken by someone who doesn&#039;t have a clue about cars.  Typical how &quot;progressives&quot; live in an idealized, fact-free zone.  This would be giving poor people another hell in their lives.  Did it ever occur to you that cars -- any car -- need maintenance?  And if it&#039;s an older car, it needs EXPENSIVE maintenance.  $200 here, $500 there.  (Sure, you can learn to fix it yourself, but how long would that take, and how much in time and tools would it cost?  And what happens in the meantime?  And you still need to buy parts).   Not to mention gas.  Not to mention insurance.  Not to mention normal wear items like tires.  Not to mention how you get RIPPED OFF by mechanics if you don&#039;t know everything about cars inside and out.

40-50 c/mile, that&#039;s what the gov&#039;t says it costs to have a car, and that is, in my experience how much it REALLY costs to own one.  If it&#039;s a new car, you pay that in car payments, etc.  If it&#039;s an older car, you pay that in repairs, etc.  Someone who can&#039;t scrounge enough for a bus fare, someone who doesn&#039;t know where their next meal is coming from, they can afford this?  (Not to mention the headaches and the twisting of your brain that goes with it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Did it ever occur to them to give the clunkers to the poor who don’t have a car to get to work or find a job.&#8221;</p>
<p>Spoken by someone who doesn&#8217;t have a clue about cars.  Typical how &#8220;progressives&#8221; live in an idealized, fact-free zone.  This would be giving poor people another hell in their lives.  Did it ever occur to you that cars &#8212; any car &#8212; need maintenance?  And if it&#8217;s an older car, it needs EXPENSIVE maintenance.  $200 here, $500 there.  (Sure, you can learn to fix it yourself, but how long would that take, and how much in time and tools would it cost?  And what happens in the meantime?  And you still need to buy parts).   Not to mention gas.  Not to mention insurance.  Not to mention normal wear items like tires.  Not to mention how you get RIPPED OFF by mechanics if you don&#8217;t know everything about cars inside and out.</p>
<p>40-50 c/mile, that&#8217;s what the gov&#8217;t says it costs to have a car, and that is, in my experience how much it REALLY costs to own one.  If it&#8217;s a new car, you pay that in car payments, etc.  If it&#8217;s an older car, you pay that in repairs, etc.  Someone who can&#8217;t scrounge enough for a bus fare, someone who doesn&#8217;t know where their next meal is coming from, they can afford this?  (Not to mention the headaches and the twisting of your brain that goes with it).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-bastards-never-die/#comment-51411</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try this again: Max Headroom is a British satire with a Canadian actor as the main character. American TV picked up on this and tried to make it their own. Glen Beck must be livid as he thought he should play Max. The rest of the American &quot;Talking Heads&quot; are just as livid. Max Headroom RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try this again: Max Headroom is a British satire with a Canadian actor as the main character. American TV picked up on this and tried to make it their own. Glen Beck must be livid as he thought he should play Max. The rest of the American &#8220;Talking Heads&#8221; are just as livid. Max Headroom RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-bastards-never-die/#comment-51347</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Especially for those screaming men, Joe and Gary, and to give them some respite, here&#039;s  some content-free Obama,  in the style of Max Headroom.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2009-07/001167.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially for those screaming men, Joe and Gary, and to give them some respite, here&#8217;s  some content-free Obama,  in the style of Max Headroom.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2009-07/001167.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2009-07/001167.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-bastards-never-die/#comment-51327</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted the wrong link but it still a good interview. Here is the correct link... &lt;a href=&quot;http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=31&amp;Itemid=74&amp;jumival=4054&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Richard Wolff&lt;/a&gt;

Very radical stuff.  The kind of thinking that is needed today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted the wrong link but it still a good interview. Here is the correct link&#8230; <a href="http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=31&amp;Itemid=74&amp;jumival=4054" rel="nofollow">Richard Wolff</a></p>
<p>Very radical stuff.  The kind of thinking that is needed today.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-bastards-never-die/#comment-51325</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These program are ideologically motivated.  They believe that they can use &quot;market-based&quot; &quot;solutions&quot; to fix what is a &lt;i&gt;structural&lt;/i&gt; problem.  Listening to Larry Summers on &lt;i&gt;Meet The Press&lt;/i&gt; was laughable.  I recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=31&amp;Itemid=74&amp;jumival=4060&amp;updaterx=2009-08-02+17%3A29%3A36&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Richard Wolff&#039;s latest inteview on Real News.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These program are ideologically motivated.  They believe that they can use &#8220;market-based&#8221; &#8220;solutions&#8221; to fix what is a <i>structural</i> problem.  Listening to Larry Summers on <i>Meet The Press</i> was laughable.  I recommend <a href="http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=31&amp;Itemid=74&amp;jumival=4060&amp;updaterx=2009-08-02+17%3A29%3A36" rel="nofollow"> Richard Wolff&#8217;s latest inteview on Real News.</a></p>
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		<title>By: beverly</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-bastards-never-die/#comment-51324</link>
		<dc:creator>beverly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Shelia Velazquez.  What a great idea  to give those w/o transportation the clunkers -  many of which run perfectly well.  As a courtroom clerk, I hear many times stories from people who lack transport to job seek beyond the bus route or who lost jobs because they arrived to work late one time too many due to their seriously old, clunked out car breaking down.  

Good point #2:  most of those taking advantage of the bucks for clunkers program could afford a new car payment anyway.  The $4500 given doesn&#039;t go far to purchase a new auto - only another used clunker.  So if one can&#039;t afford  the rest of the money needed to buy a car (financing and monthly payments), the $4500 won&#039;t do much good.    This is just like those damn school vouchers touted as the solution to education woes.  The households who need them most don&#039;t have the funds to chip in the rest of the tuition money so giving them even 1/2 or 1/3 of money towards tuition won&#039;t help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Shelia Velazquez.  What a great idea  to give those w/o transportation the clunkers &#8211;  many of which run perfectly well.  As a courtroom clerk, I hear many times stories from people who lack transport to job seek beyond the bus route or who lost jobs because they arrived to work late one time too many due to their seriously old, clunked out car breaking down.  </p>
<p>Good point #2:  most of those taking advantage of the bucks for clunkers program could afford a new car payment anyway.  The $4500 given doesn&#8217;t go far to purchase a new auto &#8211; only another used clunker.  So if one can&#8217;t afford  the rest of the money needed to buy a car (financing and monthly payments), the $4500 won&#8217;t do much good.    This is just like those damn school vouchers touted as the solution to education woes.  The households who need them most don&#8217;t have the funds to chip in the rest of the tuition money so giving them even 1/2 or 1/3 of money towards tuition won&#8217;t help.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Corseri</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-bastards-never-die/#comment-51311</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Corseri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JOE, YOU FUCKING GENIUS REDNECK SLOB YOU JUST DID IT AGAIN!  THIS IS SCREAMING MAN&#039;S SIAMESE TWIN TALKING HERE AND YOU DON&#039;T GOTTA TAKE SHIT FROM THAT OTHER MORON WHOSE EAR I AM BITING OFF RIGHT NOW (THOUGH I ADMIT HE CAN BE PRETTY FUNNY!)  AMONG THE GEMS HERE IS YOUR DISSECTION AND PITTING OF THE UNDERBELLY OF SAINT ROOSEVELT AND ALL THE NEW DEAL CRAPO LIB DEMS HAVE BEEN SHOVELING AT WOULD BE THINKERS (BREAK-THROUGH ARTISTS) FOR THE PAST 7 DECADES.  WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR TAKE ON WWII SOMETIME AND ROOSY AND CHURCHILL&#039;S ROSY CRUCIFIXION MINUET.  ALTER-SCREAMING MAN IS BITING BACK NOW.  GOTTA RUN.  HOPE ALL FINE WITH YOU IN SUNNY CLIMES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JOE, YOU FUCKING GENIUS REDNECK SLOB YOU JUST DID IT AGAIN!  THIS IS SCREAMING MAN&#8217;S SIAMESE TWIN TALKING HERE AND YOU DON&#8217;T GOTTA TAKE SHIT FROM THAT OTHER MORON WHOSE EAR I AM BITING OFF RIGHT NOW (THOUGH I ADMIT HE CAN BE PRETTY FUNNY!)  AMONG THE GEMS HERE IS YOUR DISSECTION AND PITTING OF THE UNDERBELLY OF SAINT ROOSEVELT AND ALL THE NEW DEAL CRAPO LIB DEMS HAVE BEEN SHOVELING AT WOULD BE THINKERS (BREAK-THROUGH ARTISTS) FOR THE PAST 7 DECADES.  WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR TAKE ON WWII SOMETIME AND ROOSY AND CHURCHILL&#8217;S ROSY CRUCIFIXION MINUET.  ALTER-SCREAMING MAN IS BITING BACK NOW.  GOTTA RUN.  HOPE ALL FINE WITH YOU IN SUNNY CLIMES!</p>
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		<title>By: mackie mccleod</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-bastards-never-die/#comment-51285</link>
		<dc:creator>mackie mccleod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to view a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forums.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=59139&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;partial list of crimes committed by FBI agents over 1500 pages long&lt;/a&gt;.


to view a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dallasnews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3574&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;partial list of FBI agents arrested for pedophilia&lt;/a&gt;.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to view a <a href="http://www.forums.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=59139" rel="nofollow">partial list of crimes committed by FBI agents over 1500 pages long</a>.</p>
<p>to view a <a href="http://www.dallasnews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3574" rel="nofollow">partial list of FBI agents arrested for pedophilia</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila Velazquez</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-bastards-never-die/#comment-51283</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheila Velazquez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saddest is that most of the bastards are morons. I refer to the government bastards who are blowing billions on the &quot;cash for clunkers&quot; program. Did it ever occur to them to give the clunkers to the poor who don&#039;t have a car to get to work or find a job. Obviously the people who can take advantage of this program can afford a new car anyway. And how many bought clunkers so they could trade them in? 

They really don&#039;t want to help anybody but themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saddest is that most of the bastards are morons. I refer to the government bastards who are blowing billions on the &#8220;cash for clunkers&#8221; program. Did it ever occur to them to give the clunkers to the poor who don&#8217;t have a car to get to work or find a job. Obviously the people who can take advantage of this program can afford a new car anyway. And how many bought clunkers so they could trade them in? </p>
<p>They really don&#8217;t want to help anybody but themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-bastards-never-die/#comment-51282</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bastards won.  And what did they win well clown town USA and now they get to be the biggest clowns of all.  Armey suggested that global warming doesn’t exist, because the Lord God Almighty would not allow man to destroy his creation.  So they won did they.  

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH 

   Reality is still here it hasn&#039;t gone anywhere.  The ignorance is strength seems to work for them golly gee it sure does.  Calm at peace the real thing knowing yes knowing.  My wife after fifteen years asked me why is it so warm in Portland?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bastards won.  And what did they win well clown town USA and now they get to be the biggest clowns of all.  Armey suggested that global warming doesn’t exist, because the Lord God Almighty would not allow man to destroy his creation.  So they won did they.  </p>
<p>WAR IS PEACE<br />
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY<br />
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH </p>
<p>   Reality is still here it hasn&#8217;t gone anywhere.  The ignorance is strength seems to work for them golly gee it sure does.  Calm at peace the real thing knowing yes knowing.  My wife after fifteen years asked me why is it so warm in Portland?</p>
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