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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/russia-and-georgia-caucasian-calculus/#comment-52501</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well //giorgi murghvashvili said on August 20th, 2009 at 11:21am #//, could you point out in my post where there was that Criticism? Your yelling proves a point. When some are pointed to a view not of their liking they do what most do. BULLY OTHERS!!!

My post pointed to fact, not a rhetoric view of what could have been. That is the problem with the &quot;American&quot; point of view. They have NONE!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well //giorgi murghvashvili said on August 20th, 2009 at 11:21am #//, could you point out in my post where there was that Criticism? Your yelling proves a point. When some are pointed to a view not of their liking they do what most do. BULLY OTHERS!!!</p>
<p>My post pointed to fact, not a rhetoric view of what could have been. That is the problem with the &#8220;American&#8221; point of view. They have NONE!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: giorgi murghvashvili</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/russia-and-georgia-caucasian-calculus/#comment-52466</link>
		<dc:creator>giorgi murghvashvili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I FULLY AGREE THAT VICTOR REWRITES HISTORY , BUT THAN  ARISES A QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT WE LIKE THE HISTORY A VICTOR HAS WRITTEN. WHEN CRITICIZING SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALSO BEAR IN MIND HOW THE STORY COULD HAVE DEVELOPED WERE THERE ANOTHER VICTOR WITH ANOTHER HISTORY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I FULLY AGREE THAT VICTOR REWRITES HISTORY , BUT THAN  ARISES A QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT WE LIKE THE HISTORY A VICTOR HAS WRITTEN. WHEN CRITICIZING SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALSO BEAR IN MIND HOW THE STORY COULD HAVE DEVELOPED WERE THERE ANOTHER VICTOR WITH ANOTHER HISTORY.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/russia-and-georgia-caucasian-calculus/#comment-52451</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To: //giorgi murghvashvili said on August 20th, 2009 at 3:47am #//.
The reason American aid led to prosperity is that over two world wars the overbearing might of late entry USM destroyed much of Europe so as to gain exclusive contracts for the rebuild. Once again, the victor rewrites history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To: //giorgi murghvashvili said on August 20th, 2009 at 3:47am #//.<br />
The reason American aid led to prosperity is that over two world wars the overbearing might of late entry USM destroyed much of Europe so as to gain exclusive contracts for the rebuild. Once again, the victor rewrites history.</p>
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		<title>By: giorgi murghvashvili</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/russia-and-georgia-caucasian-calculus/#comment-52434</link>
		<dc:creator>giorgi murghvashvili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author seems to express ideas which contradict with each other. Europeans often forget that their prosperity is due to American aid . I can imagine the world in which the USA is not a player in Europe. In that world the 19 century like international system will emerge which is sure to lead to world war as it has done on two occasions . States are criticised in the article on the basis of having geopolitical interests (nato as a tool) and plaing tricks with Russia trying to desintigrate it. Russia on the other hand is praised for having the same geopolitical interests in the Caucasus and pursuing it harshly. I really can not understand the logic of the author. 
   And the top of this brilliant thought is the proposition that if Georgia could have regained the full control of the breakaway regions it would lead North Caucasian separatists to rebellion. I can not understand how the precedent of unification can be viewed as stimulus for desintegration. i wonder if the article is aimed at Russian audience to concentrate their attention on foreign enemies leaving outside of their vision the economic collapse of Russia and negative effects of what it has done in august of the past yearreally giving a precedent to separatists .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author seems to express ideas which contradict with each other. Europeans often forget that their prosperity is due to American aid . I can imagine the world in which the USA is not a player in Europe. In that world the 19 century like international system will emerge which is sure to lead to world war as it has done on two occasions . States are criticised in the article on the basis of having geopolitical interests (nato as a tool) and plaing tricks with Russia trying to desintigrate it. Russia on the other hand is praised for having the same geopolitical interests in the Caucasus and pursuing it harshly. I really can not understand the logic of the author.<br />
   And the top of this brilliant thought is the proposition that if Georgia could have regained the full control of the breakaway regions it would lead North Caucasian separatists to rebellion. I can not understand how the precedent of unification can be viewed as stimulus for desintegration. i wonder if the article is aimed at Russian audience to concentrate their attention on foreign enemies leaving outside of their vision the economic collapse of Russia and negative effects of what it has done in august of the past yearreally giving a precedent to separatists .</p>
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		<title>By: David S.</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/russia-and-georgia-caucasian-calculus/#comment-52432</link>
		<dc:creator>David S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The opinion of any russian skin head couldn&#039;t be more unobjective than this article. Either has the autor very bad analitycal skills or he is well paid from mother russia.

@Francesco

rather will Italy collaps in north and south than Georgia recognizes these &quot;states&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The opinion of any russian skin head couldn&#8217;t be more unobjective than this article. Either has the autor very bad analitycal skills or he is well paid from mother russia.</p>
<p>@Francesco</p>
<p>rather will Italy collaps in north and south than Georgia recognizes these &#8220;states&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: russell olausen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/russia-and-georgia-caucasian-calculus/#comment-52410</link>
		<dc:creator>russell olausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America Co. is always the pre-fight favorite, however at this point in time, is stretched thin around the globe. Russia has weaknesses that put it in a constrained position vis a vis America Co. but as a member of a group of potential unfriendlies the old domino effect is too real to ignore.The top dogs are all too wary to make too large bets with all the known unknowns out there, so as a poster says, the shuffling of pawns must go on.I do believe the Georgia move did fluster Russia but not enough to change their main calculations.America has no doubt been flustered much in the time since the Geargia blowup so everyone pull your hat down over the ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America Co. is always the pre-fight favorite, however at this point in time, is stretched thin around the globe. Russia has weaknesses that put it in a constrained position vis a vis America Co. but as a member of a group of potential unfriendlies the old domino effect is too real to ignore.The top dogs are all too wary to make too large bets with all the known unknowns out there, so as a poster says, the shuffling of pawns must go on.I do believe the Georgia move did fluster Russia but not enough to change their main calculations.America has no doubt been flustered much in the time since the Geargia blowup so everyone pull your hat down over the ears.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/russia-and-georgia-caucasian-calculus/#comment-52397</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The march has been on for over 300 years in this version of OWO. This march will succeed in one of two ways: The world population will become worse than the nightmarish version of 1984 or the entire population will live and die the nightmare of a nuclear holocaust. &#039;Reset&#039; The jockeying seen by many IS the &quot;smoke and mirror&quot; of the &quot;agenda&quot;. We all have opinion, we all postulate, and we all will not make one bit of difference in reality to the end game. The Imperialistic powers already know, actually they have written the rules of engagement, that they will lose some battles but they are still winning the war. Why is that?

 The reason is that we are losing our humanity while we die upon their chess board.  Their hands also move the King and Queen upon that chess board. Therefore the pawns that we are mean absolutely nothing to them. For crying out loud open your eyes and look around. Do you really think that the King and Queen, in their own hour of need will not also sell we pawns out. The Rooks, Knights and Bishops are also fodder. Play the game sometime and let us see how your &quot;hand&quot; guides the pieces. You too will wash your &quot;hands&quot; of your King and Queen in that dire time for self preservation. That is called walking away from the board to create chaos another day. 

Anyone here, including myself, control the board? Think not. 

Guess we will just have to wait for the aliens to arrive to save humanity! LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The march has been on for over 300 years in this version of OWO. This march will succeed in one of two ways: The world population will become worse than the nightmarish version of 1984 or the entire population will live and die the nightmare of a nuclear holocaust. &#8216;Reset&#8217; The jockeying seen by many IS the &#8220;smoke and mirror&#8221; of the &#8220;agenda&#8221;. We all have opinion, we all postulate, and we all will not make one bit of difference in reality to the end game. The Imperialistic powers already know, actually they have written the rules of engagement, that they will lose some battles but they are still winning the war. Why is that?</p>
<p> The reason is that we are losing our humanity while we die upon their chess board.  Their hands also move the King and Queen upon that chess board. Therefore the pawns that we are mean absolutely nothing to them. For crying out loud open your eyes and look around. Do you really think that the King and Queen, in their own hour of need will not also sell we pawns out. The Rooks, Knights and Bishops are also fodder. Play the game sometime and let us see how your &#8220;hand&#8221; guides the pieces. You too will wash your &#8220;hands&#8221; of your King and Queen in that dire time for self preservation. That is called walking away from the board to create chaos another day. </p>
<p>Anyone here, including myself, control the board? Think not. </p>
<p>Guess we will just have to wait for the aliens to arrive to save humanity! LOL</p>
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		<title>By: balkas b b</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/russia-and-georgia-caucasian-calculus/#comment-52393</link>
		<dc:creator>balkas b b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>once and if russian plutos obtain a strong rule of russia; comparable to that of american plutocratic rule, russia wld even join nato.

and that wld leave only china and a few weaklings in a struggle to achieve a more democratic rule along with some basic huamn rights such as to be informed, medically treated/educated.

it can be noted that  all recent wars were waged by lands with a  plutocratic
rule. US, Canada, Australia, UK are in near total grip of plutocrats.

so, world plutocrats are united like never before to obtain a planet and impose world-wide strong or total plutocratic rule.
if russia wld strive for a more democratic rather than more and more plutocratic  governance, it wld be targeted by entire plutocratic world.
Strong alliance with china and a few other lands, might succeed in put a stop to plutocratic theft of land and subjugation of the low]er] classes. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>once and if russian plutos obtain a strong rule of russia; comparable to that of american plutocratic rule, russia wld even join nato.</p>
<p>and that wld leave only china and a few weaklings in a struggle to achieve a more democratic rule along with some basic huamn rights such as to be informed, medically treated/educated.</p>
<p>it can be noted that  all recent wars were waged by lands with a  plutocratic<br />
rule. US, Canada, Australia, UK are in near total grip of plutocrats.</p>
<p>so, world plutocrats are united like never before to obtain a planet and impose world-wide strong or total plutocratic rule.<br />
if russia wld strive for a more democratic rather than more and more plutocratic  governance, it wld be targeted by entire plutocratic world.<br />
Strong alliance with china and a few other lands, might succeed in put a stop to plutocratic theft of land and subjugation of the low]er] classes. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/russia-and-georgia-caucasian-calculus/#comment-52392</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly less absurd than Mr Walberg&#039;s usual rant, but President Mubarak&#039;s favourite Canadian has still given us a few good laughs. And even shot himself in the foot yet again!

He&#039;s still trying to deny the humanity of 95% of the human race (which includes himself!) by claiming that the peoples of ex-Yugoslavia or the ex-Soviet Union are some sort of talking apes who can be manipulated like Pavlov&#039;s dogs and are too dumb to notice it, even 20 years after the event. If any of those peoples wanted to come back together, what is stopping them? But of course! How silly of me! It&#039;s that mind-boggling ray that the US thought police bounce off a satellite from their black helicopters and which reduces everybody (except, for some odd reason, Serbs and Ossetians!) to blindly obedient American stooges!

His foot, shot and in his mouth. He is right to say that Russia does not want a repetition of 1914. But neither does any other European democracy and that is precisely the miscalculation which undid the Israeli lunatics&#039; plan for Georgia. Once it became clear that the European members of NATO were not, under any circumstances, going to support Georgia, the whole manipulation came unstuck. Indeed, at that point, what the rest of Europe wanted was, precisely, that Russia should give Georgia a thrashing both to scupper its chances of joining NATO and to remind Saakashvili of the basic rule of modern European political culture, namely, that there must never again be war in Europe. By pointing to 1914, Mr Walberg has highlighted the pragmatic political project that underlies the entire European integration movement, notably Mr Walberg&#039;s hated EU! Like it or not, Mr Walberg, Europeans are coming together and are united by an instinctive determination not to repeat the deadly mistakes of the 20th century. The one thing Europeans hate more than each others&#039; guts is the thought of their own guts spilled out on the roadway! Georgia was a lovely example of that instinctive reaction at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly less absurd than Mr Walberg&#8217;s usual rant, but President Mubarak&#8217;s favourite Canadian has still given us a few good laughs. And even shot himself in the foot yet again!</p>
<p>He&#8217;s still trying to deny the humanity of 95% of the human race (which includes himself!) by claiming that the peoples of ex-Yugoslavia or the ex-Soviet Union are some sort of talking apes who can be manipulated like Pavlov&#8217;s dogs and are too dumb to notice it, even 20 years after the event. If any of those peoples wanted to come back together, what is stopping them? But of course! How silly of me! It&#8217;s that mind-boggling ray that the US thought police bounce off a satellite from their black helicopters and which reduces everybody (except, for some odd reason, Serbs and Ossetians!) to blindly obedient American stooges!</p>
<p>His foot, shot and in his mouth. He is right to say that Russia does not want a repetition of 1914. But neither does any other European democracy and that is precisely the miscalculation which undid the Israeli lunatics&#8217; plan for Georgia. Once it became clear that the European members of NATO were not, under any circumstances, going to support Georgia, the whole manipulation came unstuck. Indeed, at that point, what the rest of Europe wanted was, precisely, that Russia should give Georgia a thrashing both to scupper its chances of joining NATO and to remind Saakashvili of the basic rule of modern European political culture, namely, that there must never again be war in Europe. By pointing to 1914, Mr Walberg has highlighted the pragmatic political project that underlies the entire European integration movement, notably Mr Walberg&#8217;s hated EU! Like it or not, Mr Walberg, Europeans are coming together and are united by an instinctive determination not to repeat the deadly mistakes of the 20th century. The one thing Europeans hate more than each others&#8217; guts is the thought of their own guts spilled out on the roadway! Georgia was a lovely example of that instinctive reaction at work.</p>
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		<title>By: caucasus-pictures</title>
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		<dc:creator>caucasus-pictures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article made me laugh. You blame the US for Balkanization of the Caucasus. Now that is really something. It was the West, including the US, that refused to acknowledge an independent Chechnya, for the fear of breaking up Russia and an uncontrolled proliferation of atomic weapons. In fact, for centuries it has been Moscow, balkanizing the Caucasus by stirring tensions between the different peoples (&quot;divide et impera!).  On the other hand side, this made Russian rule over the Caucasus look indispensable. 
 In fact, the roots of Georgian-Russian/Ossetian/Abkhazian conflicts weren&#039;t even touched in your article.  Your truly biased article aims at bashing the West / NATO / capitalism / the CIA etc. It has very little to do with Georgia itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article made me laugh. You blame the US for Balkanization of the Caucasus. Now that is really something. It was the West, including the US, that refused to acknowledge an independent Chechnya, for the fear of breaking up Russia and an uncontrolled proliferation of atomic weapons. In fact, for centuries it has been Moscow, balkanizing the Caucasus by stirring tensions between the different peoples (&#8220;divide et impera!).  On the other hand side, this made Russian rule over the Caucasus look indispensable.<br />
 In fact, the roots of Georgian-Russian/Ossetian/Abkhazian conflicts weren&#8217;t even touched in your article.  Your truly biased article aims at bashing the West / NATO / capitalism / the CIA etc. It has very little to do with Georgia itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Francesco Rossi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francesco Rossi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Georgia must recognize indipendence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
If the Georgia wants to enter in the OTAN it must do him without
South Ossetia and Abkhazia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Georgia must recognize indipendence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.<br />
If the Georgia wants to enter in the OTAN it must do him without<br />
South Ossetia and Abkhazia.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Ladysmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Ladysmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 06:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russia is just dying to drop a nice big nuke on someone to assert what a BIG world power they still are, even though their country is in chaos and falling to peices around them.  This is a very dangerous time, because they are weak with nothing to loose, i wouldn&#039;t pick a fight with them just now.  They know no-one, as in NATO, will lift a finger to stop them.   However, Georgia if you do get nuked, be assured that the US Leader will reprimand Russia with some nasty words and an offer to negotiate a real peace so all may not be lost afterall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russia is just dying to drop a nice big nuke on someone to assert what a BIG world power they still are, even though their country is in chaos and falling to peices around them.  This is a very dangerous time, because they are weak with nothing to loose, i wouldn&#8217;t pick a fight with them just now.  They know no-one, as in NATO, will lift a finger to stop them.   However, Georgia if you do get nuked, be assured that the US Leader will reprimand Russia with some nasty words and an offer to negotiate a real peace so all may not be lost afterall.</p>
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