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		<title>By: balkas b b</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/blowing-it-obama-the-democrats-and-health-care/#comment-52527</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we can expect less and less honorable behavior towards lower classes. 
can we also expect more and more meekness from the oppressed people?
perhaps not!?
Perhaps, the time is not ripe for an awakening by some 150mn americans. But as we keep educating people,  the time will arrive for that long-awaited dream to put some old-fashioned resistance to the mafioso-like org.  that US ruling class is. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we can expect less and less honorable behavior towards lower classes.<br />
can we also expect more and more meekness from the oppressed people?<br />
perhaps not!?<br />
Perhaps, the time is not ripe for an awakening by some 150mn americans. But as we keep educating people,  the time will arrive for that long-awaited dream to put some old-fashioned resistance to the mafioso-like org.  that US ruling class is. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: United-Socialist-Front</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE PROBLEM WITH US PRESIDENTS IS NOT EVIL. BUSH, OBAMA, CLINTON ARE NOT EVIL, BUT LACK THE NECESSARY COURAGE AND STRENGTH TO CONFRONT THE POWERS THAT BE.

i think that it is necessary for political leaders to be active-nihilists, tragic heroes, and to have the enough will to power, and strength of independence like Nietzsche talked about &quot;Free spirits&quot; to crush and destroy the racist values of this society in order to transcend toward a leftist paradigm like Rafael Correa is doing in Ecuador.

So i think that one of the major problems of most political leaders in both the right and the left is that they don&#039;t have the necessary strength of courage and will to power to confront the real government (Corporations and rich people). Even Bush. Bush was not really evil, but weak to confront the real rulers of USA, and that&#039;s why he did all that he did (The illegal wars, 9-11, Patriot Act, torture, etc.)

A superman doesn&#039;t have any thing to do with political, military and abusive power, like the Nazis. Nazism and Fascism are elements of capitalism, of corporate exploitation, abuse, racism, chauvinism and evil, they twisted Nietzsches writtings (Specially Nietzsche&#039;s sister who was a Nazi).

But really, a great man, a Superman (Ubermensch) is this type of revolutionary, rebel, anarchist, totally free individual who has no laws, and authorities over him, he also doesn&#039;t accept the morality and conservative laws of the current regimen, in fact he tries to influence others by breaking the old values in order to teach to other members of his society his new values. A superman would be a revolutionary reformer of new laws, new values.

My friends, you can find out more about Nietzsche&#039;s superman in the book &quot;Thus Spoke Zarathustra&quot; which even could be used in today&#039;s United States, a country oppressed by 2 corporate capitalist parties (Democrats and Republicans) and where US citizens feel that there is literally no hope, no liberation out of this hell of our kleptocratic Democrat-Republican 1 party monster.

The main thesis of Thus Spoke Zarathustra is the fact that humans have literally 2 options in this existance, either to accept the current reality and values and succumb to a state of passive-nihilist resignation, or to be an architect of our own destiny, inserted in this reality as a active-tragic nihilist (A destroyer of old values, and creators of new values)

Here is a short review of Thus Spoke Zarathustra, one of Nietzsche&#039;s best works about the superman. a review of &quot;Thus Spoke Zarathustra&quot; which is a manifesto to gain strength and courage. Which is what the US left needs to destroy the US right.

http://www.geocities.com/thenietzschechannel/zara.htm

Nietzsche&#039;s Thus Spoke Zarathustra is probably his most famous work as well as being the work least popular among readers. This is probably partially because it is written in fictional form. Zarathustra is well designed to frustrate twentieth century conservative bourgeoise philosophy of the analytic tradition, which seeks conceptual clarity at the expense of rhetorical form, indeed often insisting on the separation between a concept and the vehicle of its expression. Moreover, the utilization of the work by the Nazi war effort did little to improve the books reception in the Anglo-American world.

The book is philosophically interesting, in part because it does employ literary tropes and genres to philosophical effect. Zarathustra makes frequent use of parody, particularly of the Platonic dialogues and the New Testament. This strategy immediately places Zarathustra on a par with Socrates and Christ--and as a clear alternative to them. The erudite allusions to works spanning the Western philosophical and literary traditions also play a philosophical role, for they both reveal Nietzsche&#039;s construct of the tradition he inherited and flag points at which he views it as problematic.

Much of the book consists of Zarathustra&#039;s speeches on philosophical themes. These often obscure the plotline of the book. The book does involve a plot, however, which includes sections in which Zarathustra is &quot;off-stage,&quot; in private reflection, and some in which he seems extremely distressed about the way his teaching and his life are going. Zarathustra attempts to instruct the crowds and the occasional higher independent man that he encounters in the book; but his most important teaching is his education of the reader, accomplished through demonstrative means. Zarathustra teaches by showing.

Zarathustra stands in he tradition of the German Bildungsroman, in which a character&#039;s development toward spiritual maturity is chronicled. Zarathustra can be seen as a paradigm for the modern, spiritually sensitive individual, one who grapples with nihilism, the contemporary crisis in values in the wake of the collapse of the Christian worldview that assigned humanity a clear place in the world.

In the popular imagination, Nietzsche&#039;s idea of the Ubermensch is one of his most memorable and significant ideals. However, the concept of the Ubermensch is actually discussed little in the book. The topic is the theme of the first speech in &quot;Zarathustra&#039;s Prologue,&quot; which he presents to a crowd gathered for a circus. The audience interprets Zarathustra as a circus barker and the speech as an introduction to a performance by a tightrope walker. The concept is mentioned recurrently in Part I as something of a refrain to Zarathustra&#039;s speeches. But the word Ubermensch rarely occurs after that. 

Additionally, the notion of the Ubermensch is presented in more imagistic than explanatory terms. The Ubermensch, according to Zarathustra, is continually experimental, willing to risk all for the enhancement of humanity. The Ubermensch aspires to greatness, but Zarathustra does not formulate any more specific characterization of what constitutes the enhancement of humanity or greatness. He does, however, contrast the Ubermensch to the last man, the human type whose sole desire is personal comfort and happiness. Such a person is the &quot;last man&quot; quite literally, incapable of the desire that is required to create beyond oneself in any form, including that of having children.

Zarathustra&#039;s opening speech, besides proposing the Ubermensch as the ideal for humanity also places emphasis on this world as opposed to any future world. In particular, Zarathustra urges that human beings reassess the value of their own bodies, indeed their embodiment. For too long, dreaming of the afterlife, Western humanity has treated the body as a source of sin and error. Zarathustra, in contrast, insists that the body is the ground of all meaning and knowledge, and that health and strength should be recognized and sought as virtues which is related to Marxism and Feuerbarch&#039;s slogan of &quot;You are what you eat&quot; (Remember how right-wingers despise reality, economics, and physiology)

Another prominent theme in Zarathustra is its emphasis on the relative importance of will. In part, this emphasis follows Schopenhauer in claiming that will is more fundamental to human beings than knowledge. However, Nietzsche stresses the will&#039;s attempt to enhance its power, whereas he views Schopenhauer as placing greater stress on the will&#039;s efforts at self preservation. Nietzsche&#039;s famous conception of will to power makes one of its few published appearances in Zarathustra.

Much of the plot of Zarathustra concerns his efforts to formulate his idea of eternal recurrence. At times, the idea possesses him in the form of visions and dreams. At others, he seems reluctant to state it categorically or to accept its implications. During a particularly despairing moment, he shudders at the implication of his doctrine that &quot;the rabble,&quot; the bourgeoise people who comprise most of the human race, will also recur. The fact that Zarathustra objects to the recurrence of the rabble is indicative of Nietzsche&#039;s preference of a system in which we would be architects of our own destiny. Consistently, Nietzsche and Zarathustra contend that human beings are not equal and clones. Nietzsche objects to the bourgeoise conservative movements of his era in favor of more participative, libertarian and democratic forms of social organization that would place economic-control in the hands of each individual, instead of a few corrupt corporate crooks and burocrats like representative bourgeoise democracies (our current system).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE PROBLEM WITH US PRESIDENTS IS NOT EVIL. BUSH, OBAMA, CLINTON ARE NOT EVIL, BUT LACK THE NECESSARY COURAGE AND STRENGTH TO CONFRONT THE POWERS THAT BE.</p>
<p>i think that it is necessary for political leaders to be active-nihilists, tragic heroes, and to have the enough will to power, and strength of independence like Nietzsche talked about &#8220;Free spirits&#8221; to crush and destroy the racist values of this society in order to transcend toward a leftist paradigm like Rafael Correa is doing in Ecuador.</p>
<p>So i think that one of the major problems of most political leaders in both the right and the left is that they don&#8217;t have the necessary strength of courage and will to power to confront the real government (Corporations and rich people). Even Bush. Bush was not really evil, but weak to confront the real rulers of USA, and that&#8217;s why he did all that he did (The illegal wars, 9-11, Patriot Act, torture, etc.)</p>
<p>A superman doesn&#8217;t have any thing to do with political, military and abusive power, like the Nazis. Nazism and Fascism are elements of capitalism, of corporate exploitation, abuse, racism, chauvinism and evil, they twisted Nietzsches writtings (Specially Nietzsche&#8217;s sister who was a Nazi).</p>
<p>But really, a great man, a Superman (Ubermensch) is this type of revolutionary, rebel, anarchist, totally free individual who has no laws, and authorities over him, he also doesn&#8217;t accept the morality and conservative laws of the current regimen, in fact he tries to influence others by breaking the old values in order to teach to other members of his society his new values. A superman would be a revolutionary reformer of new laws, new values.</p>
<p>My friends, you can find out more about Nietzsche&#8217;s superman in the book &#8220;Thus Spoke Zarathustra&#8221; which even could be used in today&#8217;s United States, a country oppressed by 2 corporate capitalist parties (Democrats and Republicans) and where US citizens feel that there is literally no hope, no liberation out of this hell of our kleptocratic Democrat-Republican 1 party monster.</p>
<p>The main thesis of Thus Spoke Zarathustra is the fact that humans have literally 2 options in this existance, either to accept the current reality and values and succumb to a state of passive-nihilist resignation, or to be an architect of our own destiny, inserted in this reality as a active-tragic nihilist (A destroyer of old values, and creators of new values)</p>
<p>Here is a short review of Thus Spoke Zarathustra, one of Nietzsche&#8217;s best works about the superman. a review of &#8220;Thus Spoke Zarathustra&#8221; which is a manifesto to gain strength and courage. Which is what the US left needs to destroy the US right.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/thenietzschechannel/zara.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/thenietzschechannel/zara.htm</a></p>
<p>Nietzsche&#8217;s Thus Spoke Zarathustra is probably his most famous work as well as being the work least popular among readers. This is probably partially because it is written in fictional form. Zarathustra is well designed to frustrate twentieth century conservative bourgeoise philosophy of the analytic tradition, which seeks conceptual clarity at the expense of rhetorical form, indeed often insisting on the separation between a concept and the vehicle of its expression. Moreover, the utilization of the work by the Nazi war effort did little to improve the books reception in the Anglo-American world.</p>
<p>The book is philosophically interesting, in part because it does employ literary tropes and genres to philosophical effect. Zarathustra makes frequent use of parody, particularly of the Platonic dialogues and the New Testament. This strategy immediately places Zarathustra on a par with Socrates and Christ&#8211;and as a clear alternative to them. The erudite allusions to works spanning the Western philosophical and literary traditions also play a philosophical role, for they both reveal Nietzsche&#8217;s construct of the tradition he inherited and flag points at which he views it as problematic.</p>
<p>Much of the book consists of Zarathustra&#8217;s speeches on philosophical themes. These often obscure the plotline of the book. The book does involve a plot, however, which includes sections in which Zarathustra is &#8220;off-stage,&#8221; in private reflection, and some in which he seems extremely distressed about the way his teaching and his life are going. Zarathustra attempts to instruct the crowds and the occasional higher independent man that he encounters in the book; but his most important teaching is his education of the reader, accomplished through demonstrative means. Zarathustra teaches by showing.</p>
<p>Zarathustra stands in he tradition of the German Bildungsroman, in which a character&#8217;s development toward spiritual maturity is chronicled. Zarathustra can be seen as a paradigm for the modern, spiritually sensitive individual, one who grapples with nihilism, the contemporary crisis in values in the wake of the collapse of the Christian worldview that assigned humanity a clear place in the world.</p>
<p>In the popular imagination, Nietzsche&#8217;s idea of the Ubermensch is one of his most memorable and significant ideals. However, the concept of the Ubermensch is actually discussed little in the book. The topic is the theme of the first speech in &#8220;Zarathustra&#8217;s Prologue,&#8221; which he presents to a crowd gathered for a circus. The audience interprets Zarathustra as a circus barker and the speech as an introduction to a performance by a tightrope walker. The concept is mentioned recurrently in Part I as something of a refrain to Zarathustra&#8217;s speeches. But the word Ubermensch rarely occurs after that. </p>
<p>Additionally, the notion of the Ubermensch is presented in more imagistic than explanatory terms. The Ubermensch, according to Zarathustra, is continually experimental, willing to risk all for the enhancement of humanity. The Ubermensch aspires to greatness, but Zarathustra does not formulate any more specific characterization of what constitutes the enhancement of humanity or greatness. He does, however, contrast the Ubermensch to the last man, the human type whose sole desire is personal comfort and happiness. Such a person is the &#8220;last man&#8221; quite literally, incapable of the desire that is required to create beyond oneself in any form, including that of having children.</p>
<p>Zarathustra&#8217;s opening speech, besides proposing the Ubermensch as the ideal for humanity also places emphasis on this world as opposed to any future world. In particular, Zarathustra urges that human beings reassess the value of their own bodies, indeed their embodiment. For too long, dreaming of the afterlife, Western humanity has treated the body as a source of sin and error. Zarathustra, in contrast, insists that the body is the ground of all meaning and knowledge, and that health and strength should be recognized and sought as virtues which is related to Marxism and Feuerbarch&#8217;s slogan of &#8220;You are what you eat&#8221; (Remember how right-wingers despise reality, economics, and physiology)</p>
<p>Another prominent theme in Zarathustra is its emphasis on the relative importance of will. In part, this emphasis follows Schopenhauer in claiming that will is more fundamental to human beings than knowledge. However, Nietzsche stresses the will&#8217;s attempt to enhance its power, whereas he views Schopenhauer as placing greater stress on the will&#8217;s efforts at self preservation. Nietzsche&#8217;s famous conception of will to power makes one of its few published appearances in Zarathustra.</p>
<p>Much of the plot of Zarathustra concerns his efforts to formulate his idea of eternal recurrence. At times, the idea possesses him in the form of visions and dreams. At others, he seems reluctant to state it categorically or to accept its implications. During a particularly despairing moment, he shudders at the implication of his doctrine that &#8220;the rabble,&#8221; the bourgeoise people who comprise most of the human race, will also recur. The fact that Zarathustra objects to the recurrence of the rabble is indicative of Nietzsche&#8217;s preference of a system in which we would be architects of our own destiny. Consistently, Nietzsche and Zarathustra contend that human beings are not equal and clones. Nietzsche objects to the bourgeoise conservative movements of his era in favor of more participative, libertarian and democratic forms of social organization that would place economic-control in the hands of each individual, instead of a few corrupt corporate crooks and burocrats like representative bourgeoise democracies (our current system).</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rightwing pathopsychology in action. Hatred of the other not a terrible affliction, but the driving force of all policy, all action. Obama is clearly some sort of Manchurian Candidate, programed, probably by his Zionist patrons who have controlled his career from the beginning, to not only continue Bush policy (in fact to exacerbate is geopolitical brutality)but to return political power to a revivified Republican ultra-Right, demoralise the hordes who were conned and flocked to Obama&#039;s lies about &#039;hope&#039; and hopefully turn them off voting for life, and discredit Black political aspiration for years. I saw the Republicans &#039;run dead&#039;, McCain feign senility, Palin chosen for suicidal reasons difficult to discern and I thought the plan was to lumber Obama with the neo-liberal Depression. I simply did not anticipate the extent and depth of Obama&#039;s treachery, the manner in which he spits in the face of the patsies who believed his lies and the enthusiasm with which he serves the real rulers of the US, the moneyed elites. I&#039;m aghast-I have been found guilty of insufficient cynicism with regard to the hypocritical horror of &#039;market capitalism&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rightwing pathopsychology in action. Hatred of the other not a terrible affliction, but the driving force of all policy, all action. Obama is clearly some sort of Manchurian Candidate, programed, probably by his Zionist patrons who have controlled his career from the beginning, to not only continue Bush policy (in fact to exacerbate is geopolitical brutality)but to return political power to a revivified Republican ultra-Right, demoralise the hordes who were conned and flocked to Obama&#8217;s lies about &#8216;hope&#8217; and hopefully turn them off voting for life, and discredit Black political aspiration for years. I saw the Republicans &#8216;run dead&#8217;, McCain feign senility, Palin chosen for suicidal reasons difficult to discern and I thought the plan was to lumber Obama with the neo-liberal Depression. I simply did not anticipate the extent and depth of Obama&#8217;s treachery, the manner in which he spits in the face of the patsies who believed his lies and the enthusiasm with which he serves the real rulers of the US, the moneyed elites. I&#8217;m aghast-I have been found guilty of insufficient cynicism with regard to the hypocritical horror of &#8216;market capitalism&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: mike3</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the Republican/GOP stuff is no etter. I&#039;m also quite skeptical of the ability of this &quot;political&quot; system to come up with anything useful. It&#039;s all controlled by special interest and it&#039;s all about fighting and not solving anything. (All partisan systems of politics are fight-based anyway.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the Republican/GOP stuff is no etter. I&#8217;m also quite skeptical of the ability of this &#8220;political&#8221; system to come up with anything useful. It&#8217;s all controlled by special interest and it&#8217;s all about fighting and not solving anything. (All partisan systems of politics are fight-based anyway.)</p>
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