Comments on: An Ominous Glimpse into the Future of Human Labor http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/an-ominous-glimpse-into-the-future-of-human-labor/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Uncle B http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/an-ominous-glimpse-into-the-future-of-human-labor/#comment-51558 Uncle B Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:34:15 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9603#comment-51558 America is convulsing! Suffering paradigm shifts in its very social fabric that even the American's favored physiognomy can't accommodate! The big, strong, durable, farm-boy, 6 foot plus and better than 230 pounds, solid muscle, and all beef-fed, is still worshiped in the U.S. colleges and Universities! Even high-school aged girls are encouraged to breed with the "Football star" image, and this worked well for America until recently! These large muscled brutes with average intelligence and enormous ability to absorb punishment, physical and emotional, were the backbone of American superiority in the smokestack age, the 1950's and later, they were the strength behind the American industrial/military superiority in the world! They were adored,valued, worshiped, employed to be certain! and social functions were built around their preferential breeding and selective breeding, really! Large breasted women nubile and ready to serve concubine roles, forgoing Christian and pagan rituals of the past were paraded, scantily clad before the witless beasts, who responded as nature would have it, at prom nights, sweet 16 parties, college breaks, drunken orgies in homes and evening dances, and filled the "Machine" with their brutish but useful progeny, often even outside wedlock, and quite often as a parting gift to an unwitting concubine, before or after wedlock, but as a parting gift mostly to the society, before a certain death in a foreign land serving the military machine - all noble and acceptable to the American morality of the Hollywood propagandists machine and with tacit government approval! Suddenly; the changeover rooted in political change, Asia found a use for its bludgeoning population, especially the huge and hitherto useless female population - Asia put them to work! as semi-slaves in hydraulically and electrically assisted computer driven ultra modern factories! They did the same work as the American bruits, did it faster, and for 10 and 12 hour shifts,(union free commies) they ate primarily veggies, with little if any meat, (cheaper by far to feed) they lived in factory dorms (no transportation costs, no cars) They pooped in slot toilets, and slept on 3' X 6' mats on factory floors ( no McMansions to pay for, no 'burbs to support, no SUV's to fuel) They lived a celibates life, (no schools, communities to pay for) they wore "Company Uniforms" ( no designer jeans here to suck up funds) and what is more, they sent money packets back home to small poverty stricken villages, and their child, for education! (the ultimate self funding welfare system) The commies were astounded at the economical miracle they had deliberately planned, and immediately marketed it to the Uber-Rich American and International Vulture Capitalists, who Sold Out America immediately by investing not only in China but converting vast fortunes of American dollars to 'Yuan" on the Beijing, Shanghai and Hong-Kong stock markets! This led to a closing of even GM(America) and the prospering at the same moment of GM(China) and Americans began losing jobs! These Americans stand today in "unemployable" lines - at soup kitchens, or live in slums and the back-waters of the very country that used them to attain greatness, then forsaked them and disenfranchised them the moment they lost value. Unfortunately, the whole society is still geared for and still does breed them, and has not caught onto the Oriental habit of controlled breeding of intellectuals, the next great Asian pre-occupation! This next hit on American riches will not be contained, but wellcomed as our saving grace! this "Our" however includes only the 5 % of dividend collecting Americans deeply invested in Asian markets, and the vast majority of Americans alive today, will join the disenfranchised "Legacy Workers" in poverty and "Third World-ship", replaced by Asian intelligentsia, our next doctors and scientists, bred in Asia for the job - small bodied, primarily vegan, extremely bright, and plentiful enough to be purchased selectively for their individual talents! Stats? India has more grads with IQ's of 130+ than America has population! Check that out on the net! get this! Mr President wants fewer drop-outs in American schools, an honorable goal! Why not tell the American population the truth! China has more post grads than America has high school students, drop-outs included! Today! A glut! They are all veggie burners of slight, low maintenance stature, and ready to emigrate now! They all speak English! and Mandarin! and local dialects or Cantonese! and often one European language! They will displace any educational efforts by the U.S. for whom we can safely say "too little too late" and take over much as their sisters did the labor markets! America's big sins? Inflexibility and lack of foresight due to the propagandist smokescreen! The price - "Detroit City" style Third World-ship for much of the population. The time: It is all over! Chinese cars will parade on American streets in the next few years, Asian cars from Korea, Japan and a huge Asian net of parts suppliers already dominate here and now! and CNN, NBC, CBS never said a word! goddamn them to hell! America is convulsing! Suffering paradigm shifts in its very social fabric that even the American’s favored physiognomy can’t accommodate! The big, strong, durable, farm-boy, 6 foot plus and better than 230 pounds, solid muscle, and all beef-fed, is still worshiped in the U.S. colleges and Universities! Even high-school aged girls are encouraged to breed with the “Football star” image, and this worked well for America until recently! These large muscled brutes with average intelligence and enormous ability to absorb punishment, physical and emotional, were the backbone of American superiority in the smokestack age, the 1950′s and later, they were the strength behind the American industrial/military superiority in the world! They were adored,valued, worshiped, employed to be certain! and social functions were built around their preferential breeding and selective breeding, really! Large breasted women nubile and ready to serve concubine roles, forgoing Christian and pagan rituals of the past were paraded, scantily clad before the witless beasts, who responded as nature would have it, at prom nights, sweet 16 parties, college breaks, drunken orgies in homes and evening dances, and filled the “Machine” with their brutish but useful progeny, often even outside wedlock, and quite often as a parting gift to an unwitting concubine, before or after wedlock, but as a parting gift mostly to the society, before a certain death in a foreign land serving the military machine – all noble and acceptable to the American morality of the Hollywood propagandists machine and with tacit government approval! Suddenly; the changeover rooted in political change, Asia found a use for its bludgeoning population, especially the huge and hitherto useless female population – Asia put them to work! as semi-slaves in hydraulically and electrically assisted computer driven ultra modern factories! They did the same work as the American bruits, did it faster, and for 10 and 12 hour shifts,(union free commies) they ate primarily veggies, with little if any meat, (cheaper by far to feed) they lived in factory dorms (no transportation costs, no cars) They pooped in slot toilets, and slept on 3′ X 6′ mats on factory floors ( no McMansions to pay for, no ‘burbs to support, no SUV’s to fuel) They lived a celibates life, (no schools, communities to pay for) they wore “Company Uniforms” ( no designer jeans here to suck up funds) and what is more, they sent money packets back home to small poverty stricken villages, and their child, for education! (the ultimate self funding welfare system) The commies were astounded at the economical miracle they had deliberately planned, and immediately marketed it to the Uber-Rich American and International Vulture Capitalists, who Sold Out America immediately by investing not only in China but converting vast fortunes of American dollars to ‘Yuan” on the Beijing, Shanghai and Hong-Kong stock markets! This led to a closing of even GM(America) and the prospering at the same moment of GM(China) and Americans began losing jobs! These Americans stand today in “unemployable” lines – at soup kitchens, or live in slums and the back-waters of the very country that used them to attain greatness, then forsaked them and disenfranchised them the moment they lost value. Unfortunately, the whole society is still geared for and still does breed them, and has not caught onto the Oriental habit of controlled breeding of intellectuals, the next great Asian pre-occupation! This next hit on American riches will not be contained, but wellcomed as our saving grace! this “Our” however includes only the 5 % of dividend collecting Americans deeply invested in Asian markets, and the vast majority of Americans alive today, will join the disenfranchised “Legacy Workers” in poverty and “Third World-ship”, replaced by Asian intelligentsia, our next doctors and scientists, bred in Asia for the job – small bodied, primarily vegan, extremely bright, and plentiful enough to be purchased selectively for their individual talents! Stats? India has more grads with IQ’s of 130+ than America has population! Check that out on the net! get this! Mr President wants fewer drop-outs in American schools, an honorable goal! Why not tell the American population the truth! China has more post grads than America has high school students, drop-outs included! Today! A glut! They are all veggie burners of slight, low maintenance stature, and ready to emigrate now! They all speak English! and Mandarin! and local dialects or Cantonese! and often one European language! They will displace any educational efforts by the U.S. for whom we can safely say “too little too late” and take over much as their sisters did the labor markets! America’s big sins? Inflexibility and lack of foresight due to the propagandist smokescreen! The price – “Detroit City” style Third World-ship for much of the population. The time: It is all over! Chinese cars will parade on American streets in the next few years, Asian cars from Korea, Japan and a huge Asian net of parts suppliers already dominate here and now! and CNN, NBC, CBS never said a word! goddamn them to hell!

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/an-ominous-glimpse-into-the-future-of-human-labor/#comment-51497 Don Hawkins Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:51:13 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9603#comment-51497 ANTIDEPRESSANT Remember, In the not to distant future things on Earth were not going to well. The United States was on the brink of War with North Korea and Iran. Global warming was taking its toll on the human race and well there was a lack of hope though out the World. It was another hot day in Washington DC and the President was at his desk in the White House with his head in his hands looking down at the floor. At that moment he heard a strange noise and looked out the window at the front lawn of the White House just in time to see this very large silver saucer land right in front of the White House. Well for two day's the ship was surrounded with every known weapon to man. The door to the ship opened and two very small robots walked out. In English the one robot said let's talk. Well in about three hours the President all of congress and all the news media were on the front lawn looking at these two rather small robots. The one robot began to talk people of Earth you just don't figure. You were all given a miracle of the Universe and you called it Earth. Well in about 2,000 years you have all managed to take this miracle and pollute it on a non stop basis to the point where your own survival is at stake and you are doing nothing about it even after you see it happening it don't figure. You as human's don't seem to be able to get along with each other and are about to fight a War that could bring the end of you all. Just don't figure. Well me and my little friend here have come to help. We have decided that you can't work these problems out by yourselves so we are going to leave this box surrounded of course by a force field. At that moment a third robot brought out this black box and it was put on the lawn and the force field was activated. The first robot said people of Earth clean up your Planet learn to live together with out War and learn to be nice to each other. Please don't force us to use the box. With that all three robots walked back onto the ship and it slowly lifted off the ground and in less time than it takes to say ouch it was gone. Well about 1,000 light years from Earth the three robots got out of there suits and they looked human but you could tell they were young. The one said to the other if dad finds out what we did we are in big trouble remember the first rule never interfere with another World or it's people well the older of the three kid's said hay what dad doesn't know won't hurt him. With that the younger of the three said do you think those human's will ever find out there is nothing in that box? Well the energy source for the force field will run out in about 100 years and maybe they will learn to live better by then with that the one kid pushed this cool looking green button and they were headed home. Don Florida August 19, 2004 ANTIDEPRESSANT

Remember,

In the not to distant future things on Earth were not going to well. The United States was on the brink of War with North Korea and Iran. Global warming was taking its toll on the human race and well there was a lack of hope though out the World. It was another hot day in Washington DC and the President was at his desk in the White House with his head in his hands looking down at the floor. At that moment he heard a strange noise and looked out the window at the front lawn of the White House just in time to see this very large silver saucer land right in front of the White House. Well for two day’s the ship was surrounded with every known weapon to man. The door to the ship opened and two very small robots walked out. In English the one robot said let’s talk. Well in about three hours the President all of congress and all the news media were on the front lawn looking at these two rather small robots. The one robot began to talk people of Earth you just don’t figure. You were all given a miracle of the Universe and you called it Earth. Well in about 2,000 years you have all managed to take this miracle and pollute it on a non stop basis to the point where your own survival is at stake and you are doing nothing about it even after you see it happening it don’t figure. You as human’s don’t seem to be able to get along with each other and are about to fight a War that could bring the end of you all. Just don’t figure. Well me and my little friend here have come to help. We have decided that you can’t work these problems out by yourselves so we are going to leave this box surrounded of course by a force field. At that moment a third robot brought out this black box and it was put on the lawn and the force field was activated. The first robot said people of Earth clean up your Planet learn to live together with out War and learn to be nice to each other. Please don’t force us to use the box. With that all three robots walked back onto the ship and it slowly lifted off the ground and in less time than it takes to say ouch it was gone.
Well about 1,000 light years from Earth the three robots got out of there suits and they looked human but you could tell they were young. The one said to the other if dad finds out what we did we are in big trouble remember the first rule never interfere with another World or it’s people well the older of the three kid’s said hay what dad doesn’t know won’t hurt him. With that the younger of the three said do you think those human’s will ever find out there is nothing in that box? Well the energy source for the force field will run out in about 100 years and maybe they will learn to live better by then with that the one kid pushed this cool looking green button and they were headed home.

Don
Florida August 19, 2004

]]> By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/an-ominous-glimpse-into-the-future-of-human-labor/#comment-51495 Mulga Mumblebrain Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:33:49 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9603#comment-51495 The key date, in my opinion, in the process of market capitalist exploitation transmogrifying into market capitalist exterminism, was 1989. In that year, as Fukuyama said, history ended. The attempts over generations to fashion a world system, or even a society or two, based on an operating principle other than infinite greed, radical individualism and the commodification of all things, and the unlimited exercise of violent coercion to achieve these ends, came to an end, with the victory of the greater evil in the Cold War. The victory of the market capitalists immediately saw the intensity of exploitation increase. The depredations of the parasitic elites grew beyond anyone's imagination. The transfer of wealth to the insatiable class saw the percentage of wealth held by the bottom 50% in the UK fall from 12% in 1976,to 1% in recent years, with similar events occuring elsewhere. Every prediction of Marx concerning the immiseration of the masses has been borne out. Throughout the poor world, billions exist on essentially nothing. In the rich world US median wages have stagnated since the 1970s, and the percentages of global wealth and income going to the tip 10, 1, and 0.1%s have grown like topsy. Market capitalism was always about exploiting the serfs as far as possible before provoking revolt, but, in its early days, some capitalists still treated their workers as humans, more or less. One thinks of company towns, with nice little houses, schools and churches, provided by the Master. And as Ford understood, mass production has no future without a mass consumer market, so he led the way in paying decent wages. Of course much if not all of this social amelioration has been shown to have been nothing more than the masters doing their best to avert revolution by buying off their workers. But, as we know, market capitalism, with its ruthless, amoral competition, favours the unscrupulous, the egomaniacal, the exploitative, the creature without human empathy. The elevation of competition to the highest importance in society, and the denigration of co-operation, has ensured the success of the psychopath, the arrogant Machiavellian. The end, unlimited greed and power, justifies the means, trampling on the rest, to certain minds alone. I think it is absolutely apposite to link the development of artificial intelligence to market neo-feudalism. After all, only recently researchers in artificial intelligence themselves met to discuss the misgivings of some at the direction and the speed with which their science is evolving. However, if the money power requires artificial intelligence beyond the capabilities of man, incorporated into killer robots to police the global 'badlands', then there will always be unprincipled scientists and technologists keen to push the envelope for monetary gain. That is the market capitalist 'lowest common moral denominator' principle. Anything, no matter how wicked, that can make money, will eventually see the light of day.As we already know the psychotic rulers of the planet are remorseless in grinding down the rest while elevating themselves to riches beyond the dreams of avarice. Can it be doubted that, if faced by a revolt of billions of dehumanised, pauperised, desperate individuals, that they would not exterminate them as casually as they bomb a wedding party in Afghanistan, then bomb the resulting funeral procession? I think we are on the edge of the abyss, driven there by a global parasitic elite that has evolved, by a process of thoroughly unnatural selection, into a caste of monsters, without pity, without fellow feeling and without remorse. The key date, in my opinion, in the process of market capitalist exploitation transmogrifying into market capitalist exterminism, was 1989. In that year, as Fukuyama said, history ended. The attempts over generations to fashion a world system, or even a society or two, based on an operating principle other than infinite greed, radical individualism and the commodification of all things, and the unlimited exercise of violent coercion to achieve these ends, came to an end, with the victory of the greater evil in the Cold War.
The victory of the market capitalists immediately saw the intensity of exploitation increase. The depredations of the parasitic elites grew beyond anyone’s imagination. The transfer of wealth to the insatiable class saw the percentage of wealth held by the bottom 50% in the UK fall from 12% in 1976,to 1% in recent years, with similar events occuring elsewhere. Every prediction of Marx concerning the immiseration of the masses has been borne out. Throughout the poor world, billions exist on essentially nothing. In the rich world US median wages have stagnated since the 1970s, and the percentages of global wealth and income going to the tip 10, 1, and 0.1%s have grown like topsy.
Market capitalism was always about exploiting the serfs as far as possible before provoking revolt, but, in its early days, some capitalists still treated their workers as humans, more or less. One thinks of company towns, with nice little houses, schools and churches, provided by the Master. And as Ford understood, mass production has no future without a mass consumer market, so he led the way in paying decent wages. Of course much if not all of this social amelioration has been shown to have been nothing more than the masters doing their best to avert revolution by buying off their workers. But, as we know, market capitalism, with its ruthless, amoral competition, favours the unscrupulous, the egomaniacal, the exploitative, the creature without human empathy. The elevation of competition to the highest importance in society, and the denigration of co-operation, has ensured the success of the psychopath, the arrogant Machiavellian. The end, unlimited greed and power, justifies the means, trampling on the rest, to certain minds alone.
I think it is absolutely apposite to link the development of artificial intelligence to market neo-feudalism. After all, only recently researchers in artificial intelligence themselves met to discuss the misgivings of some at the direction and the speed with which their science is evolving. However, if the money power requires artificial intelligence beyond the capabilities of man, incorporated into killer robots to police the global ‘badlands’, then there will always be unprincipled scientists and technologists keen to push the envelope for monetary gain. That is the market capitalist ‘lowest common moral denominator’ principle. Anything, no matter how wicked, that can make money, will eventually see the light of day.As we already know the psychotic rulers of the planet are remorseless in grinding down the rest while elevating themselves to riches beyond the dreams of avarice. Can it be doubted that, if faced by a revolt of billions of dehumanised, pauperised, desperate individuals, that they would not exterminate them as casually as they bomb a wedding party in Afghanistan, then bomb the resulting funeral procession? I think we are on the edge of the abyss, driven there by a global parasitic elite that has evolved, by a process of thoroughly unnatural selection, into a caste of monsters, without pity, without fellow feeling and without remorse.

]]> By: Willy Sierens http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/an-ominous-glimpse-into-the-future-of-human-labor/#comment-51491 Willy Sierens Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:28:22 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9603#comment-51491 I hope ALL functions described as JOBS disappear!!! If machines can do all the work, let them. Give everyone a machine!!! I hope ALL functions described as JOBS disappear!!!
If machines can do all the work, let them. Give everyone a machine!!!

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/an-ominous-glimpse-into-the-future-of-human-labor/#comment-51485 Deadbeat Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:50:55 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9603#comment-51485 Mr. Mumbles is correct. The author ruined a potentially good article about the condition of the labor force with shrill science fiction. Even if the "robot" took over the problem is not whether there is "human control over the machines might be retained". The problem is the inhuman system of capitalism regardless of man or machine. It is the system of Capitalism that dehumanize 95% of us while the minority EXPLOITS the rest of us (machine or not). The problem of automation is not new. Even Martin Luther King back in the mid-1960 raised the issue -- that more than two generation ago. The problem once again is Capitalism and what people need to do to confront it. Mr. Mumbles is correct. The author ruined a potentially good article about the condition of the labor force with shrill science fiction. Even if the “robot” took over the problem is not whether there is “human control over the machines might be retained”. The problem is the inhuman system of capitalism regardless of man or machine. It is the system of Capitalism that dehumanize 95% of us while the minority EXPLOITS the rest of us (machine or not).

The problem of automation is not new. Even Martin Luther King back in the mid-1960 raised the issue — that more than two generation ago. The problem once again is Capitalism and what people need to do to confront it.

]]> By: Mr. Mumbles http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/an-ominous-glimpse-into-the-future-of-human-labor/#comment-51472 Mr. Mumbles Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:01:35 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9603#comment-51472 Well, I think this article is an amalgamation of conjectures, misinformation, and outright lunacy! I would agree with her spiel with the plight of the American Working Class and the pernicious effects of capitalism and mass media, but the robots taking over the world bit. The writer should expose herself to the reality of labor and realize robots are a far cry, though automazation in the developed world is certaintly in the process of occuring. Well, I think this article is an amalgamation of conjectures, misinformation, and outright lunacy! I would agree with her spiel with the plight of the American Working Class and the pernicious effects of capitalism and mass media, but the robots taking over the world bit. The writer should expose herself to the reality of labor and realize robots are a far cry, though automazation in the developed world is certaintly in the process of occuring.

]]> By: Michael Kenny http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/an-ominous-glimpse-into-the-future-of-human-labor/#comment-51464 Michael Kenny Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:49:13 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9603#comment-51464 This is an absurd article! It has no subject! The author starts off about share ownership, then skips to unemployment and loss of purcashing power in the US, then to immigration, the to several aspects of robotics all jumbled up in a welter of silly speculation, then we get a light sprinkling of feminism, then back to the plight of the workers, then media manipulation and finally, the role of the internet. Any one of those topics could be the subject of countless articles, but jumbling them all up together just shows an inability to think rationally. Could Ms Woodward be a prototype robot? This is an absurd article! It has no subject! The author starts off about share ownership, then skips to unemployment and loss of purcashing power in the US, then to immigration, the to several aspects of robotics all jumbled up in a welter of silly speculation, then we get a light sprinkling of feminism, then back to the plight of the workers, then media manipulation and finally, the role of the internet. Any one of those topics could be the subject of countless articles, but jumbling them all up together just shows an inability to think rationally.
Could Ms Woodward be a prototype robot?

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/an-ominous-glimpse-into-the-future-of-human-labor/#comment-51462 Don Hawkins Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:57:30 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9603#comment-51462 And now that 5% is going to leave the other 95% in the dust and high water while telling you to make sure you put that check in the mail. And now that 5% is going to leave the other 95% in the dust and high water while telling you to make sure you put that check in the mail.

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