Comments on: Yes We Camp

By: B99

B99 — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:39:26 +0000

Didn’t take long to find this record of a mass killing by Jews of a Palestinian family on its own lawn in Palestine. The family was, of course, guilty of breakfasting while Arab.

Mus’ad Ahmad ‘Eid Abu Me’tiq
Under 1 year-old resident of Beit Hanun, North Gaza district, killed on 28.04.2008 in Beit Hanun, North Gaza district, by gunfire, from a helicopter. Did not participate in hostilities when killed. Additional information: Killed with his mother and three siblings while eating breakfast in the yard of their house.

Saleh Ahmad ‘Eid Abu Me’tiq
4 year-old resident of Beit Hanun, North Gaza district, killed on 28.04.2008 in Beit Hanun, North Gaza district, by gunfire, from a helicopter. Did not participate in hostilities when killed. Additional information: Killed with his mother and three siblings while eating breakfast in the yard of their house.

Meyasar Mutlaq Rashid Abu Me’tiq
40 year-old resident of Beit Hanun, North Gaza district, killed on 28.04.2008 in Beit Hanun, North Gaza district, by gunfire, from a helicopter. Did not participate in hostilities when killed. Additional information: Killed with her four children while eating breakfast in the yard of their house.

Ruwaydah Ahmad ‘Eid Abu Me’tiq
5 year-old resident of Beit Hanun, North Gaza district, killed on 28.04.2008 in Beit Hanun, North Gaza district, by gunfire, from a helicopter. Did not participate in hostilities when killed. Additional information: Killed with her mother and three siblings while eating breakfast in the yard of their house.

Hanaa Ahmad ‘Eid Abu Me’tiq
2 year-old resident of Beit Hanun, North Gaza district, killed on 28.04.2008 in Beit Hanun, North Gaza district, by gunfire, from a helicopter. Did not participate in hostilities when killed. Additional information: Killed with her mother and three siblings while eating breakfast in the yard of their house.

By: bozhidar balkas vancouver

bozhidar balkas vancouver — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:53:14 +0000

mulga, respectfully,
croatia had not expelled serbs from ‘krajina’ regions in ‘92. It was croats from ‘krajina’ regions who were expelled by serbs in ‘91-92 period.
in ‘95, croatia was accused by european union of serb expulsion.
at least three croat generals are now standing trial for excessive bombardment of Knin {once seat of croat kings} and expulsion of some 150-250K serbs.

the label krajina means frontier; it is not a name for geographic region. One of the krajinas is situated in n. dalmatia- others in slavonia.
serbs arrived in krajinas in 17th century at behest of austrian empire because croats were either taken to servitude by turks to turkey, fled for life to austria, hungary, and italy, or been slain in battle.

during our mostly losing battles with ottoman empire, serbia had remained one of the most peaceful lands in all of europe.
serbs took advantage of the fact that we were losing land and people and sought own lebensraum by other means while under turkish yoke for ab. 500 yrs.
if it wasn’t for wallachs, romanians, hungarians, poles, czechs, slovaks, austrians, germans, and croats, serbia may have been still a turkish possession.
so much for serb gratitude in our effotrs to drive back turks and help also emancipation of serbs. tnx

By: B99

B99 — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:54:02 +0000

Mulga – If Jews want to stay on the West Bank, I think they will need to return to Israel and apply for residency at Palestine’s future Consulate/Embassy in Israel. Perhaps a small number can then reside in the West Bank, subject to the laws of Palestine. Maybe Palestine can keep in mind that if say, 200 of the 750,000 evicted Palestinians are allowed to return to their homes in Israel, a similar percentage of Jews will be allowed to reside in Palestine. Of course, this whole notion of letting Jews remain in Palestine is a generous one, inasmuch as the Palestinians were evicted from Palestine by force – and the Jews on the West Bank were ‘admitted’ by force. To be sure, there was a long existing, if very small, population of Jews living in Hebron on the eve of Israel’s ‘67 invasion. They should be allowed to stay without fanfare.

By: B99

B99 — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:41:44 +0000

Jon S – You have to know that I’m not making this up. The phosphorus shells alone (which even made NPR – National Philosemitic Radio) are in the news even as we speak, and Israel has used poison gas in the past on Gaza. Remember when Arafat’s wife brought up the subject of poison gas, and Zionists wanted Hilary Clinton, who was listening to her, to slap her for such a thought? Mass killings of Palestinians – B’tselem can provide you with those – you pick the day. Putting little girls in their gun sights and firing away? Yup, Israelis do that to. As for the typhoid fever (or typhus) in the water, the Jews did that during their 1948 massacres. Need more details?

Actually, Israelis are very efficient at massacre. The Final Solution in this regard is the removal of Palestinians from Palestine, the tried and true method is to kill as many Palestinians as necessary, and make life as difficult as possible for the living so as to make staying unbearable – while flying just under the radar of a cowed international public. Even right now there is an international investigation of Israeli atrocities, including using human shields – something the Israelis are fond of – that will likely soon blow over. Hey, if the world will not intervene when millions of Tutsis or Congolese are massacred, who is going to stop an advanced industrial state from killing or maiming a few natives every day?
Since Israel evicted 750,000 Palestinians from what became Israel, explain how Israel gets around employing international law which guarantees the Palestinians the Right of Return. Or do you only believe in the selective use of international law?

No hate here for Israel or Israelis. Some of my best friends are Israeli… communists (the only ones who seem to get it). I’m apparently one of the few people on this site who are not advocating Israel’s immediate dissolution. I think you need to read up on the history of the conflict or I will have to provide details of what I write here.

By: Mulga Mumblebrain

Mulga Mumblebrain — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:09:37 +0000

jon s, you dismiss the years of Israeli mass murder, torture, assassination, house destruction, humiliation and all the other manifestations of extreme racist cruelty that have been visited on the Palestinians with what appears, in my opinion, to be the racists’ practised contempt for the suffering of the untermenschen. Of course the Israeli actions do not amount to the same intensity of murderousness as the Nazi crimes against humanity, or the extermination of the indigenous in North America, or the hecatombs of colonialism in the Congo or India. That does not make them any the lesser crimes against humanity, and, of course, to invoke the Nazi Judeocide as some sort of exculpation for Israeli crimes is abominable.
If there is to be a ‘two-state’ solution, certain conditions are essential. Israel must return to the 1948 borders, although I think any Israelis currently living in the West Bank ought to be allowed to remain, so long as they obey Palestinian law. The ethnically cleansed from 1947-8 and their descendants must be allowed to return to their homelands. That is international law and was a requirement for Israel’s admission to the UN. Israel has no right to demand that its ethnic cleansing be treated as a fait accompli, although similar abominations have been allowed to stand, for example Croatia’s vast ethnic cleansing in Krajina in 1992, similarly because the perpetrators were allies of and were aided by the global Moloch, the US.
If these conditions are met, I’m sure that within a few generations, if left in peace, that the Israeli and Palestinian states will establish amicable relations. So long as the staus quo is maintained, where one side sees itself as the ubermenschen, and deal with the imprisoned untermenschen with pitiless brutality, while hysterically proclaiming its moral perfection, and villainously vilifying any who dare disagree, including their fellow Jews, then there will never be any peace, and the dangers of a real genocide will grow.

By: jon s

jon s — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:48:33 +0000

B99, “Mass shooting, starvation, gassing” – where do you make this stuff up? The “typhoid poisoning” is a nice touch, though it owes a lot to the medieval blood libel, when the Jews were accused of poisoning the wells and causing the Black Death. Isn’t it amazing that with all these “massacres” the Palestinian population is growing by leaps and bounds, making the Israelis the most inefficient perpetrators of genocide in history? By comparison, the Jewish people, who really did suffer from a genocide, in which we lost around 1/3 of our people, have still not recovered demographically, over 60 years later.
I am working for a Palestinian state, in the context of a 2-state solution, which is the only reasonable and (just barely ) workable solution. The refugee problem will have to be negotiated. As I see it the practical solution for most of the refugees should be in the Palestinian state. They can’t return en masse to their former homes in Israel itself, which would endanger Israel.
Again- your image of Israel is so blinded by hatred as to be totally unrealistic. Even in a conflict it’s a good idea to “know the enemy”, what’s known as “intelligence”. You’re out-of-touch with reality .

By: B99

B99 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:21:17 +0000

mebosa – An-Nakba means ‘the catastrophe’. It began in 47 with the Jews killing as many Palestinians as necessary to make the rest leave. It is an ethnic cleansing of Palestine’s native population, the start of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians that continues to this day.

By: B99

B99 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:10:47 +0000

People who lived in Palestine prior to 1948 were known as Palestinians (except for the newcomer Jews). There have been no Israelis until 1948. And a political entity known as Palestine was established when the Brits separated it (illegally as it was) out of Greater Syria after WWI. A political entity known as Israel had to wait another three decades. So who was the president of Israel in 1947? No such animal. But what is the point of arguing that?

By: Suthiano

Suthiano — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:07:29 +0000

Mebosa you troll,

hamas and hizbullah are not nations.

You pretend as if this entity “Palestine” never existed. Yet it was UNGA Res 181 (II) passed in 1947 which first called for the creation of Jewish state alongside an Arab state.

The first paragraph of the introduction to this Resolution reads: “Having met in special session at the request of the mandatory Power (Britain) to constitute and instruct a special committee to prepare for the consideration of the question of the future government of PALESTINE at the second regular session;”.

Similarly, SC resolutions 42, 43 and 44, which served to further establish the boundaries of “Israel” (which is not mentioned by name in these resolutions) all mention PALESTINE in their first paragraphs.

Mebosa you sophist troll, start coming to terms with the Nakba and stop trying to be a perpetual victim.

By: B99

B99 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:54:46 +0000

Mebosa – The League of Nations did NO SUCH THING. You either made that up or have no idea of the region’s history.

In 1967, Israel invaded and occupied the West Bank of Jordan.

The rest of the questions are nonsense questions as if asking who was the president of the United States before independence. Not very smart question, is it?

Anyway, it is clear that Mebosa believes that Israel should be declared in all of Palestine. Assuming most Israelis think as he does, then there is no reason for any of us to advocate a two-state solution. There is every reason for moderates to join those advocating ‘one-state fits all’ or maybe even absorbing what is now called Israel into the Greater Arab nation.

As for training children to kill – I’m glad you admit that Israel does this to its own. However, none you name do so. Israel is the only state actively and illegally occupying the land of others – and in so doing – kills the natives!

By: mebosa ritchie

mebosa ritchie — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:14:15 +0000

league of nations split the area into
1 a jewish state–israel from the river to the sea israel+west bank
2 an arab state–transjordan
can you please tell which part of palestine israel occupied in 1967.
who was the palestine prime minister/president in 1967
what was the palestinian currency in 1967
what was the capital of palestine in 1967

i await your answers with interest

By: B99

B99 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:02:11 +0000

Here’s a question for Mebosa and Jon. Why do you think that Israel, having established a state in 78% of Palestine, is entitled to the rest of Palestine? How has Israel earned the right to all of that land?

By: B99

B99 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:00:13 +0000

Jon S said: “During the Holocaust the Jews were murdered by mass shooting, by gassing , by starvation, and any other method imaginable (or unimaginable).”

Actually, Jews have been killing Palestinians en masse now for the better part of a century. That includes mass shooting, bombing, missile attacks, tank attacks, bulldozing, torture, denial of water and food, and indeed starvation – and gassing!. And back in the pre-state war on the Palestinians, they even put typhoid germs in Palestinian spring water.

So Jon, you just can’t say you are againt bigotry and racism – your job as a Jew is to work for a Palestinian state and the return of Palestinian refugees to their homes in Israel. After all, the right of return is international law – Its not called, the privilege of return. So mere words is not enough. ‘Never Again’ cannot be an empty slogan reserved for your personal favorite group.

By: B99

B99 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:50:28 +0000

Jon S said: “From some of the posts here one could reach the conclusion that Israel is some sort of nightmarish hellhole, populated by trigger-happy homicidal psycopaths.”

Hey, you got that right. What other nation routinely trains its young to (upon graduating high school) leave their country and kill the unarmed citizens of another just because they are gentiles on land they want?

By: B99

B99 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:46:56 +0000

No mebosa – The definition of genocide is NOT the destruction of a race. I think you need to look up what the UN says it means instead of posting your feelings on what it means.

By: jon s

jon s — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:44:06 +0000

It’s sort of dumb to elaborate the obvious, but nevertheless:
During the Holocaust the Jews were murdered by mass shooting, by gassing , by starvation, and any other method imaginable (or unimaginable).
Non of this is happening to the Palestinians.
Therefore the terms “genocide” and “holocaust” are irrelevant to the Palestinian situation.
Mary , I absolutely agree with Naomi Klein that one of the lessons of the Holocaust is never again to anyone, anywhere. As Jews we should be sensitive to, and intolerant of any form of bigotry and racism.

By: mary

mary — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:34:37 +0000

I feel sorry for the Palestinians for being occupied and for having a government that collaborates with the USUKIs axis and receives its stooge the war criminal Bliar.

The following would be humorous if it wasn’t so tragic.

http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=39243

Blair sees ‘improvement’ in Nablus
Date: 14 / 07 / 2009 Time: 18:03

Tony Blair speaks in Nablus
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Nablus – Ma’an – Quartet Envoy Tony Blair said he believes the situation in the Nablus is improving on a visit to the beleaguered West Bank city on Tuesday.

The former UK prime minister currently represents the grouping of the US, UN, EU, and Russia in the Middle East peace process, but his mandate is limited to improving the Palestinian economy and institutions.

Blair’s visit to Nablus came one day after a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who pledged to take steps to ease the Israeli military occupation’s crushing effect on the Palestinian economy and civilian life in the West Bank.

Specifically, Netanyahu pledged to allow the new Palestinian mobile phone company Wataniya to begin operating within a month. On Tuesday Blair said the operator could be working within two weeks.

While in Nablus Blair met governor Jamal Muheisin and civil society leaders. Speaking alongside the governor at a press conference, Blair hailed the performance of the Palestinian Authority security forces, who were redeployed in Nablus in late 2007 after being decimated earlier in the decade by an Israeli military offensive.

For his part, the governor of Nablus welcomed Blair saying, “Nablus welcomes the friend of the Palestinian people. We updated him on all Israeli obstacles and disturbances such as semi-daily incursions, military checkpoints, and settlers’ assaults.”

Nablus is one focal point of Netanyahu’s pledge to make “economic peace” with Palestinians. The Palestinian leadership rejects this notion, however, because it is seen as a watered-down replacement for the removal of occupation and the creation of a fully independent Palestinian state.

Israeli promises to ease restrictions and reduce military incursions, however, remain to be fulfilled. A day before Blair’s visit, Israeli soldiers raided the headquarters of the Nablus Shopping Festival, a celebration Israel had pledged to boost in the interest of economic improvement.

This did not stop Blair, however, from saying that Israel deserved more credit for its efforts to ease conditions for Palestinians.
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Israeli bulldozers raze Palestinian farmland near Nablus
Date: 14 / 07 / 2009 Time: 15:17

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Nablus – Ma’an – Israeli military bulldozers razed more than 18,000 square meters of farm land belonging to the village of Urif, south of the West Bank city of Nablus on Tuesday, according to Ghassan Daghlas, the Palestinian Authority official monitoring settler activity in the northern West Bank.

Daghlas told Ma’an via telephone, “Since this morning, Israeli bulldozers razed 8,000 square meters in Khallat Az-Zeit south of Urif, and 10,000 more west of the village in Maris Asira.”

The village lies near the illegal Israeli settlement of Yitzhar.
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By: bozhidar balkas vancouver

bozhidar balkas vancouver — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:17:07 +0000

according to some historians, hitler was not favoring mass slaughter of ‘Jews’.
he wanted to expel them all. He proposed madagascar for them. But clazed ‘zionist’ did not want madagascar since that wld have attracted few ‘jews’.
meanmwhile, UK did not want ‘jews’ in britain. Brits ‘loved’ ‘jews’ but not in own country.
US restricted immigration [again according what i read] into US until after the war.

since nazi ideology seriously clashed with judaistic ideology, nazis opted for final solution. I do not know when exactly nazis have changed their mind.
canada too ‘loved’ ‘jews’. However, with just 12mn people in ‘38 it did not want a ‘jewish’ state on own land even tho yukon and northwesetern territories had a pop of a few thousands.
and, of course, the land was as large as syria, jordan, palestine, and lebanon combined.
go figure?! and let me please know what you think? tnx

By: mebosa ritchie

mebosa ritchie — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:27:51 +0000

I feel sorry for the Palestinians for having “friends ” like these…

jon,the palestinians get the friends they deserve

By: mebosa ritchie

mebosa ritchie — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:25:35 +0000

mary,am i meant to take note that naomi klein is a jew?
as relevant as bubbles is a chimp or your brother is a sailor