Comments on: Why Jerusalem?

By: B99

B99 — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:49:21 +0000

Michael – If its merely a matter of force then the clock is ticking on Israel. And you won’t be able to complain, will you? The Temple Mount is in Arab East Jerusalem – attacked and Illegally occupied by Israel in 1967. The US does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over East Jerusalem. Nor does the UN.

The First Temple is no where in evidence in the Temple Mount, and if you must know, it was built by the Phoenicians (an ancestor of the Palestinians) because the Hebrews, being goat-herders, needed the skilled architectural and engineering skills lacking in themselves. Jerusalem itself was founded by the Palestinians (called Canaanites then) thousands of years before Judaism was made up.

So but for a brief period under shaky Hebrew rule Jerusalem has always been a Palestinian city. And Jews were pretty much stomping around the stetls of the pale when the Dome of the Rock was erected.

Most of the political problems generated in the last several decades have been caused by extremist US foreign policy – in fact, it netted us 9/11. Are you one of those ‘bring em on’ kind of Bush guys?

Jerusalem is not a Hebrew name. It is a Hebraicization of an already existing Canaanite name which itself had gone thru several linguistic changes. And for the record, the name has nothing to do with ‘peace.’

Looks like you are the kind of guy that needs to be on the front lines right now. How come you bailed on military service?

By: Michael

Michael — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:54:17 +0000

Why can’t the muslims give up the mount peacefully? Either that or we should allow the Jews to take it by force. The land is within their rightful borders. If it were in America the American government would just take it by force rather than letting a bunch of terrorists have control of it, and rightfully so, so why not allow the israelis to do the same? Aside from that the first temple was built there thousands of years before Islam was even made up! The construction of the dome of the rock seems to me in its very nature as a hostile movement towards Judaism. The muslims just had to pick the only tiny piece of land in this whole world that the jews consider to be holy to build there mosque. In my opinion the dome of the rock should be bull dozed. It should be bull dozed so that the jewish temple can be rebuilt, the jews should be given the right to have established borders and the ability and permission to protect them just as we would defend our own borders as a nation. Most of the political problems generated in the last decade have been caused by the extremists produced by the islamic faith, which in its very nature teaches and endorses hatred and leaves no room for any other people group or system of beliefs to exist. Why are we allowing such a violent and relentless group of people to control things? The very name of the city of Jerusalem is a Hebrew name. It is there city, there land, there nation. Let them have it!!! Lets stop letting an intolerant faith and group of people such as the muslims bully us and our allies into there agendas. We should put our foot down and just tell them tough shit, if you dont like it then do something about it, and then when they do try something then lets fight them how we should have been all along during this war on terror. With the same mercy they would show us. And with overwhelming force. Anyone holding a gun gets shot, anyone promoting un-rest or violence gets shot, anyone harboring terrorists or supporting them is our enemy and is at war with us, instead of worrying about lives and forcing our troops to die unnecessarily because they are not allowed to fight in such a way that allows them to win. Thats what we should do.

By: Shabnam

Shabnam — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:58:00 +0000

B99

The irony is that Mrzine where has placed this video on its site and hesitate to call the Iranian election ‘fraud’ like so many ‘left’ in the West, mainly trotskyists, including Zmag and CPD where used the word ‘fraud’ repeadedly, is under attacked by individuals like Saeed Ranama, son of the Science and Education under the Shah, at ZMAG.
Saeed Ranema published his article at Zmag attacking the ‘left’ like James Petras, Bishara and others who have viewed the Iranian protest after the elections differently with regard to US destabilization plan in Iran. Ranema call the ‘left’ who has not followed HOPI or Zmag line as pro ‘Islamists.’ These arrogant people, like Ranema who is totally embedded with Zionist/imperialist forces in Britain and cooperating with HOPI, where Chomsky supports , working against ‘Islamism’ copied from Israel and the US policy to bring ‘secularism’ in Iran which is worse than fascism since under HOPI Muslims are No. one enemy like position of US and Israel.
I would like people to read the following article by Pervez Hoodbhoy “Imperialism and Islamism: a View from the left” to see how low Zmag has fallen in support of OBAMA’s policy of killing innocent people in faraway places. Pakistani’s elites, where I am sure Pervez Hoodbhoy is coming from, are the main criminals who are cooperating with US military agenda in the region against defenseless people.
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/21982

By: B99

B99 — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:05:50 +0000

Excellent video Shabnam. And accurate. The average Israeli – both adults and youth, are monstrously racist – and utterly dismissive of their genocidal history vis a vis the Palestinians. And of course, it is not surprising this video was banned on any easily accessible venue in the US. Israel-Firsters would insure that Huffington never ever shows up on tv talk shows.

BTW – ‘coosh’ comes from the Hebrew Bible word for the ‘land of Kush’ – in today’s Ethiopia. It is what Jews call the Ethiopian Falasha Jews among them.

By: Shabnam

Shabnam — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:07:31 +0000

[show these people some respect and not antagonise them.]

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/br180709.html

By: B99

B99 — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:18:56 +0000

Indeed Bozh, Jerusalem was founded by the Jebusites thousands of years before Hebrews arrived in the region (or emerged out of an existing Canaanite population). Even after the rise of the Hebrews in the region, the fortunes and numbers of Hebrews in Jerusalem waxed and waned. Many Jews vacated Jerusalem during the era of the Roman occupation (or they were evicted by the Romans, but this story is no longer accepted as ‘gospel’ anymore), and the Jewish population in the city dwindled to a precious few. Jews communities remained elsewhere in Palestine, especially Tiberias (today’s Teverya) but it was not until the 19th century that Jews became a majority in Jerusalem, largely because European Jews began migrating there from the pale of Europe – to worship there, and to live and die there – not to create a Zionist state (zionism instead being a state of mind).

And yes, Hebrews married Jebusites – they married Philistines, in fact, they fornicated with every other group to come thru or reside in that land – a regular Sodom and Gomorrah. I forget which one – David, Saul or Solomon – had a Philistine wife. There was really nothing to genetically distinguish Hebrew from Gentile back in the day.

By: Ibrahim

Ibrahim — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:57:36 +0000

We will be rebuilding the Temple on the Temple Mount, very, very, soon. Dont worry the Mosques will be sent to Saudi Arabia where they can be re-assembled.

By: Mulga Mumblebrain

Mulga Mumblebrain — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:52:26 +0000

Of course I know what ‘they’ are capable of, ritchie. They are capable of mass murder, including of children, with the vilest weapons, like white phosphorus, as we saw in Lebanon and Gaza recently. They are capable of killing a woman and her two children in cold blood, for turning in the wrong direction, as we saw in Gaza. They are capable of imprisoning an entire population, in the millions, for generations, killing, dispossessing, torturing them, and demolishing their homes in the thousands and stealing their trees, poisoning their livestock and water supplies and assassinating generations of their leaders, while vilifying any who dare to not fall on their knees in praise of this ‘moral purity’. And of course ‘they’ include you and your Zionist ilk who praise every one of these diabolical crimes to the high heavens.
You’re quite correct-I believe that Israel and its power-brokers who control the West are capable of any crime, and I believe Israel is now the greatest threat, with its puppet hyper-power, to global peace and that co-operation needed to face our multitudinous crises. Not bad for a tribe of twenty million, not all of whom, by any means, are the type of racist and fascist zealots responsible for these atrocities.

By: dan e

dan e — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:24:35 +0000

More specifically: http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Moskowitz_Irving

By: dan e

dan e — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:48:59 +0000

Re “rebuilding” the “Temple”: persons interested might google/wikipedia for Dr Irving Moskowitz, the man who bought a California municipality lock stock and Bingo Parlor. Jane Hunter and KPFA’s Flashpoints Bernstein reported extensively, about 2002? or before.

By: Ks

Ks — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:05:36 +0000

The letters tau and phi are the abbreviation of Φύλακες Τάφου (”Guardians of the Sepulchre”), which is the traditional name of monastic brotherhood Αγιοταφίτικη Αδερφότητα that cares after the Holy Sepulchre and its pilgrims.

By: mebosa ritchie

mebosa ritchie — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:17:29 +0000

They really do see themselves as ‘Chosen’ and set above the rest of us. Given that they are nuclear armed, Messianic, paranoid and unceasingly and endlessly belligerent, this is no laughing matter.

spot on mugla. you should show these people some respect and not antagonise them.
they are slow to anger but you never know what they will do

By: bozhidar balkas vancouver

bozhidar balkas vancouver — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:22:21 +0000

according to torah [a book written by people who deemed selves as supranatural] j’lem was jebusitic village/twn at ca. tenth century bc.
it seems [according to mad priests] benjaminim, a hebrew tribe [at times in war with other hebrew tribes] began settling the city and living in peace with the jebusites.
benjaminim began marrying so many jebusitic women that prompted sanhedrin to change the law on who’s a jew or not.
from that time on, to be a hebrew, one’s mother had to been a hebrew.

which may mean that j’lem had been always largely non-hebraic even as part of judea let alone while part of roman, arab, babylonian, and ottoman empires. tnx

By: Mulga Mumblebrain

Mulga Mumblebrain — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:55:00 +0000

kalidas, thanks for bringing in ponerology, because Israel has become, indeed always has been, an exercise in the extent and power of moral evil to confuse and control the world. This is a tragic irony, given the Judeocide, and an almost unique occurence, in that a tribe of twenty million has set out and succeeded in controlling the world’s pre-eminent powers and placing itself above international law, such as it is. That, I think, is the real significance of the boastful students at the end of this post. They really do see themselves as ‘Chosen’ and set above the rest of us. Given that they are nuclear armed, Messianic, paranoid and unceasingly and endlessly belligerent, this is no laughing matter.
Jerusalem has been inhabited by one tribe or many for, I believe, about ten thousand years. In 1996 the odious Olmert, then Mayor of Jerusalem, presided over the celebration of the city’s ‘three thousandth anniversary’, it having been ‘founded’,so he asserted, by David, in 996BCE. Apart from the appalling maths, and the inability or unpreparedness to wait eight years to cash in on the tourist bonanza, this jubilee openly and arrogantly dismissed the contribution of all non-Jews to Jerusalem’s history, although non-Jews dominated for around 90% of the city’s existence. Now that’s what I call chutzpah.

By: kalidas

kalidas — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:59:37 +0000

It’s apparent that one thing these modern day “Jews” definitely are not is ancient.

To even pretend these “Israeli Jews” are in any way related to Moses, Abraham, etc., is disturbing.
Although, with their fake archeology, myths as reality and political ponerology, they may well qualify as descendents of… well… you know who.

C’mon ya’ll, embrace those pagan roots!
Everyone will love you for it…

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127483

By: Jeff

Jeff — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:12:02 +0000

B99, should you not be, I worry for your children and your future.

By: B99

B99 — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:58:43 +0000

jeff – are you angry?

By: Jeff

Jeff — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:50:20 +0000

Does anyone here look back further than recent (hi)story? This area of the planet ’seems’ to be the focal point of the last 10,000 years! Well, is that what most ’see’ as the beginning of the human intellect as a collective? Best we blow this whole bloody thing up, which seems to be for the most part a directive, or just get on with living life! Please, all involved, blow it up! I AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Personally I could not give a flying fuck about your perceived as a chosen “one”. Kill yourselves amongst yourselves, and FUCK OFF. Your kind is not required!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: B99

B99 — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:07:44 +0000

Actually Ari, the problem is that Israel attacked and conquered East Jerusalem in 1967 and has occupied it ever since. That’s illegal. The world votes on the illegality of the occupation every year.

By: Ari

Ari — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:40:56 +0000

Article is a mixture of well written archeological and historic analysis, probably quite right in saying that most of East Jerusalem is not at all ancient Jewish. However, the last paragraphs, stating that Israel needs Jerusalem just because it is central, is probably a nonsense theory. Where are the basis for this statement? just a few youngsters at a cafe? come on … No, the problem is that most Israelis and Jews really believe that Jerusalem is their spiritual center, this is what you have to handle, or change. And lastly, the geographical centrality of Jerusalem is attested in many middle ages maps, it is not an israeli invention. Otherwise, good article, really. I am Ari_Lux on Twitter.