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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then I sent these two e-mails to CNBC.
        Hello,
  From that article I just sent you.

&quot;These are one-metre resolution images, which give you a big picture of the summertime Arctic,&quot; said Thorsten Markus of Nasa&#039;s Goddard Space Flight Centre. &quot;This is the main reason why we are so thrilled about it. One-metre resolution is the dimension that&#039;s been missing.&quot;

   Working together could be helpful.  Think of this as kind of a war.  Once this kick&#039;s into high gear it will make World War two look like a walk in the park. Just the ports alone is a big one. 

   Don  

   Hay,

   Did you listen to Palin the speech yesterday.  That was amazing to hear.  She used instinct to overcome reason.  She probably watches CNBC.  The way that goes is if we wish to survive we need to overcome our instincts with reason.  Greed, fear and stupidity is good, I think not. 

 The wise are instructed by reason; ordinary minds by experience; the stupid, by necessity; and brutes by instinct. 
Cicero

   The Palin speech was ordinary minds by experience; the stupid, by necessity and it looks like after this last election probably listening to who come on put on that old thinking cap listing to who?  Nothing like a little Cicero to start the morning off.  I told you the witting will change and just wait until the games start on the climate change bill then Denmark and let&#039;s not forget the problem itself if we wish to survive we need to overcome our instincts with reason.  Drill baby drill, right and let&#039;s not forget coal that you dig for and better left right where it is.  Will this be easy, no.        

     Don   

  Read DV Mr. President?  That&#039;s the best they can do sorry illusion of knowledge is not the answer.  &quot;My fellow American&#039;s people of Earth&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then I sent these two e-mails to CNBC.<br />
        Hello,<br />
  From that article I just sent you.</p>
<p>&#8220;These are one-metre resolution images, which give you a big picture of the summertime Arctic,&#8221; said Thorsten Markus of Nasa&#8217;s Goddard Space Flight Centre. &#8220;This is the main reason why we are so thrilled about it. One-metre resolution is the dimension that&#8217;s been missing.&#8221;</p>
<p>   Working together could be helpful.  Think of this as kind of a war.  Once this kick&#8217;s into high gear it will make World War two look like a walk in the park. Just the ports alone is a big one. </p>
<p>   Don  </p>
<p>   Hay,</p>
<p>   Did you listen to Palin the speech yesterday.  That was amazing to hear.  She used instinct to overcome reason.  She probably watches CNBC.  The way that goes is if we wish to survive we need to overcome our instincts with reason.  Greed, fear and stupidity is good, I think not. </p>
<p> The wise are instructed by reason; ordinary minds by experience; the stupid, by necessity; and brutes by instinct.<br />
Cicero</p>
<p>   The Palin speech was ordinary minds by experience; the stupid, by necessity and it looks like after this last election probably listening to who come on put on that old thinking cap listing to who?  Nothing like a little Cicero to start the morning off.  I told you the witting will change and just wait until the games start on the climate change bill then Denmark and let&#8217;s not forget the problem itself if we wish to survive we need to overcome our instincts with reason.  Drill baby drill, right and let&#8217;s not forget coal that you dig for and better left right where it is.  Will this be easy, no.        </p>
<p>     Don   </p>
<p>  Read DV Mr. President?  That&#8217;s the best they can do sorry illusion of knowledge is not the answer.  &#8220;My fellow American&#8217;s people of Earth&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50770</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sent this to CNBC this morning we are making progress think of this as kind of a war.  Calm at peace.    

Morning,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/26/climate-change-obama-administration

    Is there still time to slow this down, yes with Herculean effort and a new way of thinking.  Things should be made as simple as possible but not simpler. Some of course will not like this thinking well what are your thoughts on the temperatures in the Northwest the next few day&#039;s the drought in Texas and California not far behind.  Flooding in China the ice in the North going bye bye and heck let&#039;s eat every last fish in the ocean while we are at it. So what&#039;s being done on this Herculean effort and a new way of thinking from our fearless leaders?  Take call&#039;s from lobbyists, cap and trade, have lunch, get the suit pressed for a minute or two to get the electrons moving. Remember in just a few years it will probably be to late and will people find out?  Yes and color me crazy but that will not be good for any economic indicator you can think of and then the problem itself.  That article I sent you junior and Dick Cheney wanted it kept secret. Well that game is still being played think it will work?   Let&#039;s us pray to the temple of doom.  I am thinking more on the lines of a million to start Capital one voice calm at peace. 

     Don

  Read DV so called leaders?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sent this to CNBC this morning we are making progress think of this as kind of a war.  Calm at peace.    </p>
<p>Morning,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/26/climate-change-obama-administration" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/26/climate-change-obama-administration</a></p>
<p>    Is there still time to slow this down, yes with Herculean effort and a new way of thinking.  Things should be made as simple as possible but not simpler. Some of course will not like this thinking well what are your thoughts on the temperatures in the Northwest the next few day&#8217;s the drought in Texas and California not far behind.  Flooding in China the ice in the North going bye bye and heck let&#8217;s eat every last fish in the ocean while we are at it. So what&#8217;s being done on this Herculean effort and a new way of thinking from our fearless leaders?  Take call&#8217;s from lobbyists, cap and trade, have lunch, get the suit pressed for a minute or two to get the electrons moving. Remember in just a few years it will probably be to late and will people find out?  Yes and color me crazy but that will not be good for any economic indicator you can think of and then the problem itself.  That article I sent you junior and Dick Cheney wanted it kept secret. Well that game is still being played think it will work?   Let&#8217;s us pray to the temple of doom.  I am thinking more on the lines of a million to start Capital one voice calm at peace. </p>
<p>     Don</p>
<p>  Read DV so called leaders?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50767</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tennessee so far it is true and yikes is a good word.  Still time and must start now.</description>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-With-Zelaya</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50755</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessee-With-Zelaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don Hawkins: You are so right, we are ruled by Corporate men in black gray suits, white shirts and dark ties who&#039;s attitude and behaviour patterns are just like Christian Bale and his friends in the movie American Psycho.  We shouldn&#039;t only blame the high circles of the Democratic Party and The Republican Party.  The whole bourgeoise classes in America, specially in elitist colleges are just like American Psychos.  Do you think that a college student  from Yale, UCLA, Valley Forge Military Academy, etc will have the humanism, moralism, altruism and compassion for the weak that Evo Morales, Hugo Chavez, Mandela and Martin Luther King have? Not in this world.  Most people coming from upper bourgeoise stratta are pure assholes.

That&#039;s why we need a total change of paradimg from being ruled by corporate assholes to a paradigm of being ruled by compassionate, emotional, affectionate, real humans.  Not American Psychos,  Souless, Godless Yale, UCLA, Harvard assholes.

.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Hawkins: You are so right, we are ruled by Corporate men in black gray suits, white shirts and dark ties who&#8217;s attitude and behaviour patterns are just like Christian Bale and his friends in the movie American Psycho.  We shouldn&#8217;t only blame the high circles of the Democratic Party and The Republican Party.  The whole bourgeoise classes in America, specially in elitist colleges are just like American Psychos.  Do you think that a college student  from Yale, UCLA, Valley Forge Military Academy, etc will have the humanism, moralism, altruism and compassion for the weak that Evo Morales, Hugo Chavez, Mandela and Martin Luther King have? Not in this world.  Most people coming from upper bourgeoise stratta are pure assholes.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why we need a total change of paradimg from being ruled by corporate assholes to a paradigm of being ruled by compassionate, emotional, affectionate, real humans.  Not American Psychos,  Souless, Godless Yale, UCLA, Harvard assholes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-With-Zelaya</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50747</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessee-With-Zelaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0907/S00286.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Bloodbath Belongs to the Thugs of Tegucigalpa&lt;/a&gt;

Any bloodshed in Honduras has been, and continues to be, shed by the illegal Micheletti (Pinochetti) government, aided and abetted by the Obama administration. Any further bloodshed will also be at the hands rocking the Latin American cradle, not the poor bugger trying to climb back into it.

Are we seriously expected to buy this US State Department-brokered “negotiated, peaceful solution to the integrity of Honduran democracy and the safety and well-being of the Honduran people”? 


Puhlease! That is exactly what they had until 29 June, when their peacefully-elected president, who had been safeguarding and progressing the safety and the well-being of ALL of the Honduran people, was abducted and illegally bundled out of the country. What&#039;s to negotiate?

Zelaya was conducting an openly democratic government, in accord with the Honduran Constitution, democratic precepts, and international law. There was freedom of assembly, open media, free transit within and across Honduran borders, open free and fair elections, and even if the rule of law did not operate perfectly, at least it demonstrably existed. The “integrity of Honduran democracy” and “the safety and well-being of the Honduran people” was there for all to see under his presidency.

Pinochetti, by contrast, not only illegally occupies the seat of government, but participated in the self-confessed illegal abduction and removal of the legitimate president from Honduras. Pinochetti has overseen the suspension of almost all civil and political rights in Honduras, evidenced by curfews, censorship of the media, ejection of numerous foreign media and observers from the country, prevention of free transit by the citizenry within and across the borders, the detention of thousands of citizens, the deaths of at least seven, and the torture, beating, disappearance, and harassment of hundreds more. The “integrity of Honduran democracy” and “the safety and well-being of the Honduran people” has been decimated under Pinochetti’s regime.

Listen up, Obama. Democracy is NOT negotiable. Democracy puts presidents in place through the exercise of free and fair elections. Zelaya was freely and fairly elected. Pinochetti was imposed on the Honduran people at the barrel of a gun.

Honduran democracy cannot be served, or have any integrity, until the legitimate president is restored, and the criminal usurpers are held to account.

Zelaya is the legitimate president of Honduras. He was not elected to be the powerless puppet of a coalition of sycophants to the U.S., but to represent the Honduran people’s interests, to protect and maintain their integrity, safety and well-being. His presidential term does not finish until January. Zelaya should be in his country now, fulfilling the functions he was elected by the Honduran people to carry out. Full stop.

The criminals who, using state resources, illegally kidnapped him and whisked him out of the country and refuse to let him back, and who continue to repress the citizenry and breach numerous national and international laws, should be arrested and brought before justice. Full stop.

The only negotiation required is that to get rid of the illegal government. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0907/S00286.htm" rel="nofollow">The Bloodbath Belongs to the Thugs of Tegucigalpa</a></p>
<p>Any bloodshed in Honduras has been, and continues to be, shed by the illegal Micheletti (Pinochetti) government, aided and abetted by the Obama administration. Any further bloodshed will also be at the hands rocking the Latin American cradle, not the poor bugger trying to climb back into it.</p>
<p>Are we seriously expected to buy this US State Department-brokered “negotiated, peaceful solution to the integrity of Honduran democracy and the safety and well-being of the Honduran people”? </p>
<p>Puhlease! That is exactly what they had until 29 June, when their peacefully-elected president, who had been safeguarding and progressing the safety and the well-being of ALL of the Honduran people, was abducted and illegally bundled out of the country. What&#8217;s to negotiate?</p>
<p>Zelaya was conducting an openly democratic government, in accord with the Honduran Constitution, democratic precepts, and international law. There was freedom of assembly, open media, free transit within and across Honduran borders, open free and fair elections, and even if the rule of law did not operate perfectly, at least it demonstrably existed. The “integrity of Honduran democracy” and “the safety and well-being of the Honduran people” was there for all to see under his presidency.</p>
<p>Pinochetti, by contrast, not only illegally occupies the seat of government, but participated in the self-confessed illegal abduction and removal of the legitimate president from Honduras. Pinochetti has overseen the suspension of almost all civil and political rights in Honduras, evidenced by curfews, censorship of the media, ejection of numerous foreign media and observers from the country, prevention of free transit by the citizenry within and across the borders, the detention of thousands of citizens, the deaths of at least seven, and the torture, beating, disappearance, and harassment of hundreds more. The “integrity of Honduran democracy” and “the safety and well-being of the Honduran people” has been decimated under Pinochetti’s regime.</p>
<p>Listen up, Obama. Democracy is NOT negotiable. Democracy puts presidents in place through the exercise of free and fair elections. Zelaya was freely and fairly elected. Pinochetti was imposed on the Honduran people at the barrel of a gun.</p>
<p>Honduran democracy cannot be served, or have any integrity, until the legitimate president is restored, and the criminal usurpers are held to account.</p>
<p>Zelaya is the legitimate president of Honduras. He was not elected to be the powerless puppet of a coalition of sycophants to the U.S., but to represent the Honduran people’s interests, to protect and maintain their integrity, safety and well-being. His presidential term does not finish until January. Zelaya should be in his country now, fulfilling the functions he was elected by the Honduran people to carry out. Full stop.</p>
<p>The criminals who, using state resources, illegally kidnapped him and whisked him out of the country and refuse to let him back, and who continue to repress the citizenry and breach numerous national and international laws, should be arrested and brought before justice. Full stop.</p>
<p>The only negotiation required is that to get rid of the illegal government. &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50744</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s not so important is how we are alike as compared the rest of the animals.
What&#039;s important is how we are not alike.

Some would say that &quot;very basis&quot; is the key. 
That humans are able to know this and animals are not.

I think we all agree that animals are not capable of sin.

Obviously, we are.. 
And it is most certainly vividly apparent in how we treat these sinless, innocent creatures.  

YIKES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s not so important is how we are alike as compared the rest of the animals.<br />
What&#8217;s important is how we are not alike.</p>
<p>Some would say that &#8220;very basis&#8221; is the key.<br />
That humans are able to know this and animals are not.</p>
<p>I think we all agree that animals are not capable of sin.</p>
<p>Obviously, we are..<br />
And it is most certainly vividly apparent in how we treat these sinless, innocent creatures.  </p>
<p>YIKES!</p>
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		<title>By: James Keye</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50736</link>
		<dc:creator>James Keye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have already given the point by point reasons that I would list these activities, attitudes, as sins, but perhaps more clarity about sin would be good.  Sins damage the relationship of beings to their environment and to each other.  Sins are matters of excess and misuse of common place, even essential, activities.  I choose the word ‘sin’ for the strength and depth of its meaning.  I agree with Ron that many if not all of the new sins I list have benign states, but disagree that we can accept them in anything like their present form.  Censorship and repression exist in the service of progress, growth and property which establish conditions of excess, all using religion’s origins in the human connection to the universal as a goad and a confusion.  

Humans are like every other organism in this way: they are limited and only live fully within those limitations.  Our incredible adaptations have confused us and led us into the sins of failing to be a part of the very basis of our existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have already given the point by point reasons that I would list these activities, attitudes, as sins, but perhaps more clarity about sin would be good.  Sins damage the relationship of beings to their environment and to each other.  Sins are matters of excess and misuse of common place, even essential, activities.  I choose the word ‘sin’ for the strength and depth of its meaning.  I agree with Ron that many if not all of the new sins I list have benign states, but disagree that we can accept them in anything like their present form.  Censorship and repression exist in the service of progress, growth and property which establish conditions of excess, all using religion’s origins in the human connection to the universal as a goad and a confusion.  </p>
<p>Humans are like every other organism in this way: they are limited and only live fully within those limitations.  Our incredible adaptations have confused us and led us into the sins of failing to be a part of the very basis of our existence.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50727</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you go to the front page of DV what do you see?  A boy drawing peace signs on the sidewalk.  That boy has a snowball&#039;s chance in hell of reaching my age.  What are they doing high upon the hill in Washington DC these day&#039;s?  NOTHING!  It looks like we will get maybe a watered down Health care bill so these idiot&#039;s can then not give this little problem called climate change a try.  Is that a sin no it&#039;s nut&#039;s.  These morons go to work everyday if you can call it that dressed so nice and have a nice breakfast then probably start thinking about lunch and in between take call&#039;s from lobbyists who work for big this and that on what to think about and how to vote. We have to bring the system back to normal right and Dick Cheney and junior were the best leaders this country and the World has ever seen. Mobutu Sese Seko and Idi Amin comes to mind, worst have and have more.  Well that have and have more is still alive and well at least for a few more years.  One million to start Capital one voice calm at peace and think of this as kind of a war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you go to the front page of DV what do you see?  A boy drawing peace signs on the sidewalk.  That boy has a snowball&#8217;s chance in hell of reaching my age.  What are they doing high upon the hill in Washington DC these day&#8217;s?  NOTHING!  It looks like we will get maybe a watered down Health care bill so these idiot&#8217;s can then not give this little problem called climate change a try.  Is that a sin no it&#8217;s nut&#8217;s.  These morons go to work everyday if you can call it that dressed so nice and have a nice breakfast then probably start thinking about lunch and in between take call&#8217;s from lobbyists who work for big this and that on what to think about and how to vote. We have to bring the system back to normal right and Dick Cheney and junior were the best leaders this country and the World has ever seen. Mobutu Sese Seko and Idi Amin comes to mind, worst have and have more.  Well that have and have more is still alive and well at least for a few more years.  One million to start Capital one voice calm at peace and think of this as kind of a war.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50724</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well all well and good and maybe in 100 years or 500 years a thousand we can answer these thoughts and put them into reality.  If we could all wise up at the same time what two generations.  Guess what we are all in just a few years going to wise up at the same time and if that wise up comes in say 10 years to late.  The time is now to make major changes to the way we thing of ourselves and the Earth better known to some as the golden goose.  In just a few years are goose will be cooked.  The time is now. That&#039;s NOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well all well and good and maybe in 100 years or 500 years a thousand we can answer these thoughts and put them into reality.  If we could all wise up at the same time what two generations.  Guess what we are all in just a few years going to wise up at the same time and if that wise up comes in say 10 years to late.  The time is now to make major changes to the way we thing of ourselves and the Earth better known to some as the golden goose.  In just a few years are goose will be cooked.  The time is now. That&#8217;s NOW.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50723</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i stay away from thinking or writing from what religions are; it is much better to observe what people who believe in `gods`  do and say.
it seems to me that explaining what a religion is, appears as a  process that never ends.
this appears, to me, main cause for fragmentation of islam, judaism, and christianity. 
defining any ideology- religions being also ideologies, resting on apriori  `knowledge`-  may be labeled  `` thinking``.
and understood as such, there is nothing wrong with ideating, musing, guessing, etc.

thinking ab. our experiences appears  sane; thinking ab. our nonexperience- gods, angels, devil- leads to insanity.
crusades, arabs spreading their cult by sword, judaists killing palestinans for no reason whatsoever  burning `heretics`  on stake, killing doctors who do abortions, persecuting homos prove to me that most or even all pious people are at least unsane and most likely quite insane. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i stay away from thinking or writing from what religions are; it is much better to observe what people who believe in `gods`  do and say.<br />
it seems to me that explaining what a religion is, appears as a  process that never ends.<br />
this appears, to me, main cause for fragmentation of islam, judaism, and christianity.<br />
defining any ideology- religions being also ideologies, resting on apriori  `knowledge`-  may be labeled  &#8220; thinking&#8220;.<br />
and understood as such, there is nothing wrong with ideating, musing, guessing, etc.</p>
<p>thinking ab. our experiences appears  sane; thinking ab. our nonexperience- gods, angels, devil- leads to insanity.<br />
crusades, arabs spreading their cult by sword, judaists killing palestinans for no reason whatsoever  burning `heretics`  on stake, killing doctors who do abortions, persecuting homos prove to me that most or even all pious people are at least unsane and most likely quite insane. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50720</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religion is no more a sin then wind blowing. Humans need to explain themselves and define their existence. If they do not follow a current religion they will invent one to fulfill the needed purposes of aiming habit and reason and to another extent; self acknowledgment.

Calling religious piety a sin would be like calling physical exercise detrimental too. All spiritual and mental as well as physical efforts can be perverted and mismanaged. For one not to seek ones highest aims for fear it would offend another is a matter of self impose oppression. In itself piety of purpose does no harm but when it is used in conjunction with the original deadly sins it does.

Mankind has questions, he seeks answer and follows his beliefs based on what he sees or needs to fulfill with ideas, precepts and practices. there is no sin in following a belief otherwise intellect itself must be considered a sin. 

Politics as well as massed religious intent has been a tool for the powerful to use. When mankind has no religion or pious belief toward an individual manufactured or realized belief, governments will invent themselves into being the next best thing. If any thing human frailty and the need to be accepted is a process that has been exploited by those in power as frequently as religious piety has been manipulated to horrific results.

Life is a liquid and must be filled to the value of those that wish to live it and then spilled out to be shared by others. One can&#039;t contain it to share it if one does not seek to understand it and define it to ones self. Men are not so courageous as to act without encouragement so religious piety sometimes is the catalyst of generosity as much as it is perverted for self interest. 
 
I disagree with religious piety as a sin but self arrogance and elitism as the folly of those wishing to oppress others to gain heightened value.

If anything one should spend ones political life disrupting those in power not inventing new lords to worship and enslave the masses under new perversions of the same oppressive beast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion is no more a sin then wind blowing. Humans need to explain themselves and define their existence. If they do not follow a current religion they will invent one to fulfill the needed purposes of aiming habit and reason and to another extent; self acknowledgment.</p>
<p>Calling religious piety a sin would be like calling physical exercise detrimental too. All spiritual and mental as well as physical efforts can be perverted and mismanaged. For one not to seek ones highest aims for fear it would offend another is a matter of self impose oppression. In itself piety of purpose does no harm but when it is used in conjunction with the original deadly sins it does.</p>
<p>Mankind has questions, he seeks answer and follows his beliefs based on what he sees or needs to fulfill with ideas, precepts and practices. there is no sin in following a belief otherwise intellect itself must be considered a sin. </p>
<p>Politics as well as massed religious intent has been a tool for the powerful to use. When mankind has no religion or pious belief toward an individual manufactured or realized belief, governments will invent themselves into being the next best thing. If any thing human frailty and the need to be accepted is a process that has been exploited by those in power as frequently as religious piety has been manipulated to horrific results.</p>
<p>Life is a liquid and must be filled to the value of those that wish to live it and then spilled out to be shared by others. One can&#8217;t contain it to share it if one does not seek to understand it and define it to ones self. Men are not so courageous as to act without encouragement so religious piety sometimes is the catalyst of generosity as much as it is perverted for self interest. </p>
<p>I disagree with religious piety as a sin but self arrogance and elitism as the folly of those wishing to oppress others to gain heightened value.</p>
<p>If anything one should spend ones political life disrupting those in power not inventing new lords to worship and enslave the masses under new perversions of the same oppressive beast.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50716</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ownership; of thoughts ideas and property are temporary holdings of value that a person uses to sustain his value toward society. If we are to think a persons value is only worth what he can offer freely to society and take nothing with him to set himself apart from the risks of survival then our lives may be more intense but certainly less long and fruitful.

We have thousand of years of conflict to prove man doesn&#039;t need property to instigate hatred of others. Simply we should respect others and their desired claims of value and not create a system that allows transgressions by fabricated political power to be a predominant force.

Tribal warfare exist even when there is no property, but jealousy, want and envy still exist even in base human tribalism. One must not rule out the fact the people have evolved constantly with property and with out but have almost stayed relatively the same despite the changing values of property. To me that nullifies it as a sin but just another variable in the matters in which we cope to co exist.

This is where I agree with repression as a sin, excess, oppression and censorship. Humans that choose to limit others on their quest for survival too must repress, oppress or censor to guide things in their more righteous way which takes us back to how do you respect others even when they are harmful to others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ownership; of thoughts ideas and property are temporary holdings of value that a person uses to sustain his value toward society. If we are to think a persons value is only worth what he can offer freely to society and take nothing with him to set himself apart from the risks of survival then our lives may be more intense but certainly less long and fruitful.</p>
<p>We have thousand of years of conflict to prove man doesn&#8217;t need property to instigate hatred of others. Simply we should respect others and their desired claims of value and not create a system that allows transgressions by fabricated political power to be a predominant force.</p>
<p>Tribal warfare exist even when there is no property, but jealousy, want and envy still exist even in base human tribalism. One must not rule out the fact the people have evolved constantly with property and with out but have almost stayed relatively the same despite the changing values of property. To me that nullifies it as a sin but just another variable in the matters in which we cope to co exist.</p>
<p>This is where I agree with repression as a sin, excess, oppression and censorship. Humans that choose to limit others on their quest for survival too must repress, oppress or censor to guide things in their more righteous way which takes us back to how do you respect others even when they are harmful to others?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50714</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Economic growth,

 is only a curse when the ability to escape it is closed off or its value is manufactured beyond each humans leveraging its value.
Basic simple survival is access to food shelter and a way to acquire it. That in itself is tied to skill and success which is a growth away from starvation. 

The curse here I think is that some take a pleasure in suppressing value and hyper inflating value beyond the means of reality.

Economic growth is not a sin in my opinion but a tool misused by many to subvert reality and oppress another&#039;s value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Economic growth,</p>
<p> is only a curse when the ability to escape it is closed off or its value is manufactured beyond each humans leveraging its value.<br />
Basic simple survival is access to food shelter and a way to acquire it. That in itself is tied to skill and success which is a growth away from starvation. </p>
<p>The curse here I think is that some take a pleasure in suppressing value and hyper inflating value beyond the means of reality.</p>
<p>Economic growth is not a sin in my opinion but a tool misused by many to subvert reality and oppress another&#8217;s value.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50712</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PROGRESS:
I&#039;ll probably comment in my own arrogant assumptions as we go along, but  I find life to be liquid, un contained and if it&#039;s progress that is a sin then so is regress or any other energy that is manufactured to contain human deisre to elevate oneself beyond the immediate in the pursuit of sharing the experience of life with his ideas and aims.

The operative word is to share to me. Life is after all a shared experience, and if we restrict those that have exuberance for invention of progress we demoralize the invention of newness that some see in lives advancing.

We didn&#039;t get where we are through one method, I see no ability to grow without allowing people the freedom to advance there ideas. The focus I would see is, how to allow those gains to prosper all if the masses take all the power of the gain themselves and discard the importance of those that discover that gain? 

Prosperity has its curses but then so does stagnation. I prefer progress in measure but then who does the measuring will in fact become the flaw.

I like the race, I like the game we call life, I especially like its realism and how one can&#039;t hide from disaster for long as human lack of wisdom is always exposed at every corner creating the need to trust and work with each other to survive.  Progress doesn&#039;t create the folly but it sure adds fuel to the fire of selfish desires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PROGRESS:<br />
I&#8217;ll probably comment in my own arrogant assumptions as we go along, but  I find life to be liquid, un contained and if it&#8217;s progress that is a sin then so is regress or any other energy that is manufactured to contain human deisre to elevate oneself beyond the immediate in the pursuit of sharing the experience of life with his ideas and aims.</p>
<p>The operative word is to share to me. Life is after all a shared experience, and if we restrict those that have exuberance for invention of progress we demoralize the invention of newness that some see in lives advancing.</p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t get where we are through one method, I see no ability to grow without allowing people the freedom to advance there ideas. The focus I would see is, how to allow those gains to prosper all if the masses take all the power of the gain themselves and discard the importance of those that discover that gain? </p>
<p>Prosperity has its curses but then so does stagnation. I prefer progress in measure but then who does the measuring will in fact become the flaw.</p>
<p>I like the race, I like the game we call life, I especially like its realism and how one can&#8217;t hide from disaster for long as human lack of wisdom is always exposed at every corner creating the need to trust and work with each other to survive.  Progress doesn&#8217;t create the folly but it sure adds fuel to the fire of selfish desires.</p>
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		<title>By: B99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50711</link>
		<dc:creator>B99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the working class usually sides with mainstream political parties because they have been convinced through propaganda (aided enormously by the state/capital crushing of working class institutions and favorable laws) that they have escaped poverty and they need to ally upward with the middle and upper classes (rather than the dregs they left behind).  This is especially  true with its myths of individualism and class mobility, and the reality of a big race divide - a combination repeated no where else in the world.  

Indeed, the middle class has also certainly voted to the right - besides the above, they also have the added burden/privilege of being the direct supervisors and overlords of the working class for capital and have been given some reward for that in the form of increased remuneration and more control over their work process.

There&#039;s no assurance that the middle class will be more conscientizizied  (a word?) by dropping into the working class.  And it cannot be done without active efforts at cross-racial/ethnic solidarity by whites.  Speaking of Latin America, where the military is usually more about internal repression than border wars - most of the military is drawn from the ranks of the working class, and provided with a uniform, steady pay, and a sense of camaraderie. The State uses them as a warrior class to crush working class opposition - as well as an outlet for their miserable position in society.

Anyway, your theory is in line with other socialist theories that take hope in the worst possible scenario in hopes that the direst of conditions will spawn working class solidarity and revolution.  I don&#039;t know about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the working class usually sides with mainstream political parties because they have been convinced through propaganda (aided enormously by the state/capital crushing of working class institutions and favorable laws) that they have escaped poverty and they need to ally upward with the middle and upper classes (rather than the dregs they left behind).  This is especially  true with its myths of individualism and class mobility, and the reality of a big race divide &#8211; a combination repeated no where else in the world.  </p>
<p>Indeed, the middle class has also certainly voted to the right &#8211; besides the above, they also have the added burden/privilege of being the direct supervisors and overlords of the working class for capital and have been given some reward for that in the form of increased remuneration and more control over their work process.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no assurance that the middle class will be more conscientizizied  (a word?) by dropping into the working class.  And it cannot be done without active efforts at cross-racial/ethnic solidarity by whites.  Speaking of Latin America, where the military is usually more about internal repression than border wars &#8211; most of the military is drawn from the ranks of the working class, and provided with a uniform, steady pay, and a sense of camaraderie. The State uses them as a warrior class to crush working class opposition &#8211; as well as an outlet for their miserable position in society.</p>
<p>Anyway, your theory is in line with other socialist theories that take hope in the worst possible scenario in hopes that the direst of conditions will spawn working class solidarity and revolution.  I don&#8217;t know about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-With-Zelaya</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50703</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessee-With-Zelaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear friends of this site: The real problem i see is not the US government itself, nor the Israeli Government, nor the De Facto Interin coup de etat Honduras Government !!

The real problem from my own point of view is the followers and supporters of the US government and of the Israeli government, and supporters of all fascistic governments of this world.

I posted in one of my former messages that the Middle-Classes, including the lower part of the middle classes (Lower middle classes) always side with the mainstream political parties, because from the middle-class&#039;s point of view they think that any revolutionary political-change would be a threat to their relatively stable lifestyles.  The US, Europe, Asia, and even many nations in Latin America still have a large middle-class.  A big proof of this is that Argentina has a large middle class and elected right-wing candidates in their congress election just recently.

So my theory is that we will just have to wait for people to pass from the middle class to the lower-class for them to wake up.  I mean we just got to wait for a rise in poverty levels in this world to see a real hunger for change in the majority of people.  In other words, as long as this world has a large middle class we won&#039;t see a change.

So think psychologically and sociologically and economically in order to be aware of why many people still vote for capitalist imperialist fascist political parties.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear friends of this site: The real problem i see is not the US government itself, nor the Israeli Government, nor the De Facto Interin coup de etat Honduras Government !!</p>
<p>The real problem from my own point of view is the followers and supporters of the US government and of the Israeli government, and supporters of all fascistic governments of this world.</p>
<p>I posted in one of my former messages that the Middle-Classes, including the lower part of the middle classes (Lower middle classes) always side with the mainstream political parties, because from the middle-class&#8217;s point of view they think that any revolutionary political-change would be a threat to their relatively stable lifestyles.  The US, Europe, Asia, and even many nations in Latin America still have a large middle-class.  A big proof of this is that Argentina has a large middle class and elected right-wing candidates in their congress election just recently.</p>
<p>So my theory is that we will just have to wait for people to pass from the middle class to the lower-class for them to wake up.  I mean we just got to wait for a rise in poverty levels in this world to see a real hunger for change in the majority of people.  In other words, as long as this world has a large middle class we won&#8217;t see a change.</p>
<p>So think psychologically and sociologically and economically in order to be aware of why many people still vote for capitalist imperialist fascist political parties.</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50702</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to be is to be related; thus, progress is related also to regress/damage caused by socalled progress; particularly, the &#039;progress&#039; that is privately owned/directed.
a progress that wld be owned/guided by people wld be better than the &#039;progress&#039; run by ceos, et al; however, even then some damage cld occur.
and &#039;improvement&#039;  is connected to [mis]education, entertainment, media, advertising, military, social structure, &#039;religions&#039; [read, please, cults], supremacism arising from cults/culture, greed, fear, [vain]glory, lust for power, degree of our dependency/serfdom, being trusted/trusting or degree of being interdependent, degree of master-serf relationship on interpersonal,  interclassic, and internat&#039;l levels, water, whether, etcetc.

it wld be nice if intellectuals and scientists of the world wld study all phenomena that pertain to our and biota&#039;s being.
this is beyond me! tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to be is to be related; thus, progress is related also to regress/damage caused by socalled progress; particularly, the &#8216;progress&#8217; that is privately owned/directed.<br />
a progress that wld be owned/guided by people wld be better than the &#8216;progress&#8217; run by ceos, et al; however, even then some damage cld occur.<br />
and &#8216;improvement&#8217;  is connected to [mis]education, entertainment, media, advertising, military, social structure, &#8216;religions&#8217; [read, please, cults], supremacism arising from cults/culture, greed, fear, [vain]glory, lust for power, degree of our dependency/serfdom, being trusted/trusting or degree of being interdependent, degree of master-serf relationship on interpersonal,  interclassic, and internat&#8217;l levels, water, whether, etcetc.</p>
<p>it wld be nice if intellectuals and scientists of the world wld study all phenomena that pertain to our and biota&#8217;s being.<br />
this is beyond me! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: B99</title>
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		<dc:creator>B99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deadbeat - The usual formulation of white privilege is that the white working class is screwed but the black working class (often employing the euphemism &#039;the black community&#039;) is screwed more.  I would maintain that the white working class is screwed BECAUSE the black working class is screwed more.  Historically, the fortunes of the two are contingent upon each other which makes it imperative that we (as you say) &#039;reject all forms of racism.&#039;  This has to be an activist position rather than one where white leftists accept a certain amount of racism in order to move forward politically.  Most people in our country are working class, if they withheld their labor jointly - it would be earthshaking.  Of course, this also involves a total push to end the legal strictures that curtail labor organizing (as per our constitutional right  to free association) and a total overhaul of our labor unions so that they fully enroll all manner of labor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deadbeat &#8211; The usual formulation of white privilege is that the white working class is screwed but the black working class (often employing the euphemism &#8216;the black community&#8217;) is screwed more.  I would maintain that the white working class is screwed BECAUSE the black working class is screwed more.  Historically, the fortunes of the two are contingent upon each other which makes it imperative that we (as you say) &#8216;reject all forms of racism.&#8217;  This has to be an activist position rather than one where white leftists accept a certain amount of racism in order to move forward politically.  Most people in our country are working class, if they withheld their labor jointly &#8211; it would be earthshaking.  Of course, this also involves a total push to end the legal strictures that curtail labor organizing (as per our constitutional right  to free association) and a total overhaul of our labor unions so that they fully enroll all manner of labor.</p>
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		<title>By: James Keye</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50697</link>
		<dc:creator>James Keye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tennessee:  Yes, and even more so: underlying belief structure and organizational structure.  You can see in reading these and other comments how each reader&#039;s frame dominates the reception of idea, and organizational structure tends to function as a limiting form for idea.  It is very difficult to accept idea and structure that damns one&#039;s way of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tennessee:  Yes, and even more so: underlying belief structure and organizational structure.  You can see in reading these and other comments how each reader&#8217;s frame dominates the reception of idea, and organizational structure tends to function as a limiting form for idea.  It is very difficult to accept idea and structure that damns one&#8217;s way of life.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/seven-deadly-sins-%e2%80%93-revisited/#comment-50693</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DB,
i do not know enough of any US Leftist&#039;s policy to determine for self that they are indeed leftist.
None of the &#039;Leftists&#039;, as far as i know, had condemned latest US war on a principle; it is always protested for variety of [un]disclosed reasons.
tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DB,<br />
i do not know enough of any US Leftist&#8217;s policy to determine for self that they are indeed leftist.<br />
None of the &#8216;Leftists&#8217;, as far as i know, had condemned latest US war on a principle; it is always protested for variety of [un]disclosed reasons.<br />
tnx</p>
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