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	<title>Comments on: Pinpoint Socialism: Recovery through Equities, Tools, and Land</title>
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		<title>By: Darius K</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/pinpoint-socialism-recovery-through-equities-tools-and-land/#comment-50878</link>
		<dc:creator>Darius K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is quite tedious to hear the constant complaints about Capatilism.  Our current economic woes cannot be blamed on greedy capitalist pigs alone........society as a whole is also at fault.  Capitalism is fair, Not equal.  Pay attention to that because there&#039;s a huge difference.

Say, for example, an office was suddenly required to pay everyone the same wage.  That would be equal, but not fair.  Not all tasks are the same.  Some require special training.  Will the company provide it or will the employee have to acquire training on their own?  If you have to pay for training, should someone else in another position make the same wage?  If so, then why attend college at all?  Why shouldn&#039;t everyone just be a laborer?  What incentive do they have to be anything else?

Another example: say you decide to open your own business selling chairs.  The government says that they have to be manufactured, packaged, and sold in exactly the same manner.  How will your business succeed when there&#039;s no difference between buying one from you and Sam&#039;s Seats down the block?  There is none.  

The caveat of capitalism is that all ideas are not treated equally- some simply work better than others.  Good business decisions get rewarded, bad business decisions get punished.  Or at least that&#039;s how it was supposed to be. Yes, the system has become corrupted.  You can blame Washington, but that&#039;s not entirely honest.  When you go to McDonald&#039;s and they add more ice than soda in your cup  or doctor your fries to look full when they&#039;re not, do you complain?  When you get a bad product, what do you do?  Some may resist, but most remain silent.  Those prevailing attitudes are what has led us here, nothing else.  Wall St. or Washington can only get away with what we let them.  

Capitalism is not the enemy, greed is.  That is present in every economic system.  It may be more equal, but also be less fair.   Instead of greedy rich men taking all your money, it would be the government.   There is no difference.  Also, they require much more regulation.  Regulation costs money.  Who pays those costs.....why the benificiaries of that economic system, of course.  Higher taxes, higher prices, etc. 

It all starts with personal responsibility.  When all of us can admit our own flaws before pointing out other&#039;s mistakes, then things will improve.  Support the companies that do good, that support their communities.  Stop bitching about greed when you enable it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is quite tedious to hear the constant complaints about Capatilism.  Our current economic woes cannot be blamed on greedy capitalist pigs alone&#8230;&#8230;..society as a whole is also at fault.  Capitalism is fair, Not equal.  Pay attention to that because there&#8217;s a huge difference.</p>
<p>Say, for example, an office was suddenly required to pay everyone the same wage.  That would be equal, but not fair.  Not all tasks are the same.  Some require special training.  Will the company provide it or will the employee have to acquire training on their own?  If you have to pay for training, should someone else in another position make the same wage?  If so, then why attend college at all?  Why shouldn&#8217;t everyone just be a laborer?  What incentive do they have to be anything else?</p>
<p>Another example: say you decide to open your own business selling chairs.  The government says that they have to be manufactured, packaged, and sold in exactly the same manner.  How will your business succeed when there&#8217;s no difference between buying one from you and Sam&#8217;s Seats down the block?  There is none.  </p>
<p>The caveat of capitalism is that all ideas are not treated equally- some simply work better than others.  Good business decisions get rewarded, bad business decisions get punished.  Or at least that&#8217;s how it was supposed to be. Yes, the system has become corrupted.  You can blame Washington, but that&#8217;s not entirely honest.  When you go to McDonald&#8217;s and they add more ice than soda in your cup  or doctor your fries to look full when they&#8217;re not, do you complain?  When you get a bad product, what do you do?  Some may resist, but most remain silent.  Those prevailing attitudes are what has led us here, nothing else.  Wall St. or Washington can only get away with what we let them.  </p>
<p>Capitalism is not the enemy, greed is.  That is present in every economic system.  It may be more equal, but also be less fair.   Instead of greedy rich men taking all your money, it would be the government.   There is no difference.  Also, they require much more regulation.  Regulation costs money.  Who pays those costs&#8230;..why the benificiaries of that economic system, of course.  Higher taxes, higher prices, etc. </p>
<p>It all starts with personal responsibility.  When all of us can admit our own flaws before pointing out other&#8217;s mistakes, then things will improve.  Support the companies that do good, that support their communities.  Stop bitching about greed when you enable it.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/pinpoint-socialism-recovery-through-equities-tools-and-land/#comment-50852</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Moses:

Let me suggest that you avoid too many &quot;ifs&quot; in your pieces. Ifs represent variables which need to be defined carefully while not excluding needed facts.

An &quot;if&quot; commonly leads to another or several more &quot;ifs&quot; which then need to be defined and considered as well. Soon your original argument cannot be supported and disintegrates due to its own ponderousness.

These inevitable strings of variables are why so many decisions and arguments collapse after a brief period of time. This is why the world finds itself in the fix it is in. It is not possible to make good long-term decisions in any but the simplest scenarios.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Moses:</p>
<p>Let me suggest that you avoid too many &#8220;ifs&#8221; in your pieces. Ifs represent variables which need to be defined carefully while not excluding needed facts.</p>
<p>An &#8220;if&#8221; commonly leads to another or several more &#8220;ifs&#8221; which then need to be defined and considered as well. Soon your original argument cannot be supported and disintegrates due to its own ponderousness.</p>
<p>These inevitable strings of variables are why so many decisions and arguments collapse after a brief period of time. This is why the world finds itself in the fix it is in. It is not possible to make good long-term decisions in any but the simplest scenarios.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/pinpoint-socialism-recovery-through-equities-tools-and-land/#comment-50833</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The basic idea is to shift the burden of taxation away from capital (capital gains) and labor (income tax) — both of which we need more of — and place the taxation onto land (which is ever in fixed supply).&lt;/i&gt;

I guess Mr. Moses is UNAWARE that Capital Gains taxes has been lowered immensely over the years and favoring the rich investor class while the income tax has been made regressive.  What you are saying is that in order to provide the necessary tools to workers we still have to reward Capitalists.  That LIBERALISM and we have now seen its failure.  Workers should not enter again into such Faustian bargains.  

The tools that workers needs is to SMASH the capitalist class that EXPLOITS them not to reward them as Mr. Moses is advocating.  How about not only to relieve workers of the burden of REGRESSIVE taxes by restoring the PROGRESSIVITY of the income tax because today wealth is being extracted by CEO&#039;s via &quot;labor&quot; INCOME as they pay themselves huge salary and bonus as well as via capital gains via stock options.

Also why not advocate complete DEBT FORGIVENESS for all workers and the halting of the commdofication of housing.  Workers being in debt to &quot;purchase&quot; shelter is unconscionable and should be radically rethought.  

The problem with using Henry George as Mr. Moses&#039; guide is that George tried to mitigate capital and labor when the two are in constant conflict. The Liberals tried it and it failed.  It is time now to put LABOR at the forefront.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The basic idea is to shift the burden of taxation away from capital (capital gains) and labor (income tax) — both of which we need more of — and place the taxation onto land (which is ever in fixed supply).</i></p>
<p>I guess Mr. Moses is UNAWARE that Capital Gains taxes has been lowered immensely over the years and favoring the rich investor class while the income tax has been made regressive.  What you are saying is that in order to provide the necessary tools to workers we still have to reward Capitalists.  That LIBERALISM and we have now seen its failure.  Workers should not enter again into such Faustian bargains.  </p>
<p>The tools that workers needs is to SMASH the capitalist class that EXPLOITS them not to reward them as Mr. Moses is advocating.  How about not only to relieve workers of the burden of REGRESSIVE taxes by restoring the PROGRESSIVITY of the income tax because today wealth is being extracted by CEO&#8217;s via &#8220;labor&#8221; INCOME as they pay themselves huge salary and bonus as well as via capital gains via stock options.</p>
<p>Also why not advocate complete DEBT FORGIVENESS for all workers and the halting of the commdofication of housing.  Workers being in debt to &#8220;purchase&#8221; shelter is unconscionable and should be radically rethought.  </p>
<p>The problem with using Henry George as Mr. Moses&#8217; guide is that George tried to mitigate capital and labor when the two are in constant conflict. The Liberals tried it and it failed.  It is time now to put LABOR at the forefront.</p>
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