yet all a pious person needs to do to be truly pious is a bean stalk, flower, tree, or own basement [i have my own fantasy basement].
joining an org, which is structured like an army such as islam, christianity l, or talmoodism and listening to the biggest and [c]laziest criminals talking in circles, will, without fail, produce more sharons, faisals, emirs, pat robertsons, and even hitlerlike people.

thus, ?all christians, moslems, and talmoodniks/mosheists are criminals.
‘religions’, of course, is not sole criminal makers of people from tothood on, but also mass of misteachings by the ruling classes just about anywhere.
and an innocent and thoughtless tot bcomes [note the word "becomes', please] a guessful criminal.

and to add insult to injury, both the clergy and politicos, turn on the deluded people; on the same innocent tots before they got to them.
they are lazy, stupid; want s’mthing for nothing; are unmotivated, etcetc.
but we need to recall that priests, biggest enemy of humans were selves innocent tots.

no, no! we are OK. All we have to do is stay away from clero-polical [c]lazy class of sublife [but only becoming such after about 4 yrs of age] tnx

I do think it is the result of an overindustrialized, implosion of US community. Add to that the full throttle imperial empire which doesn’t even cover up its illegality as it invades and kills innocents and talks endlessly in Orwellian terms about peace and sustainability and justice.

This breeds a certain dumbified culture that would rather communicate through messaging, than with the person right in front of them.

This will end, and it will not be pretty because look what we have to work with!

Hote off the press and just for you and the other apologists on this thread:

College Grad Can’t Find Job, Wants $$$ Back
By JENNIFER MILLMAN
Updated 6:16 AM EDT, Mon, Aug 3, 2009

She went to college to boost her chances of finding a great job once she got out of school, but now that that hasn’t happened, Trina Thompson wants her money back.

Thompson, a graduate of Monroe College, is suing her school for the $70,000 she spent on tuition because she hasn’t found solid employment since receiving her bachelor’s degree in April, according to a published report.

The business-oriented school in the Bronx didn’t do enough to help her find a job, Thompson alleges, so she wants a refund. The college says it does plenty for grads.

The 27-year-old information-technology student accuses the school’s Office of Career Advancement for not living up to its end of the deal and offering her the leads and employment advice it promised, according to The New York Post.

W”They have not tried hard enough to help me,” the beleaguered Bronx resident wrote in her lawsuit, filed July 24 in Bronx Supreme Court.

Thompson’s mother is proud of her daughter for completing her college education, but acknowledges Trina is upset that all her high hopes haven’t panned out.

The mother and daughter live together, but Trina’s mother, Carol, is a substitute teacher and the only one of the two who makes any money. They’re barely scraping enough together to get by, reports the Post.

On top of her unemployment woes, Trina now faces mounting debt from student loans.

“This is not the way we want to live our life,” her mom told the paper. “This is not what we planned.”

Monroe defends its career-advice programs and is adamant that its staff assists young professionals in their careers.

“The lawsuit is completely without merit,” school spokesman Gary Axelbank told the Post. “The college prides itself on the excellent career-development support that we provide to each of our students, and this case does not deserve further consideration.”

On the school’s Web site, the career program boasts that it provides free services for graduates at any point in their lives.

First Published: Aug 2, 2009 8:05 AM EDT

A few pointers *from* the private sector which might help you in the future: lease things that depreciate in value, purchase things that appreciate in value. If something is defective, send it back! That’s what most firms do when they receive defective equipment. Attempting to fix something that’s defective makes little sense. Why are you suddenly responsible for manufacturer’s errors? That or they ensure that a warranty exits to provide for successful resolution. Perhaps you’re dubious of warranties or don’t realize how much pressure they put on a firm or organization to stand behind their work and by association their workforce? Are you sure the equipment wasn’t broken by someone ill-trained in *YOUR* organization? Are you trying to cover your own mistakes? But then where would you send *them* back? That someone could attain a doctorate tells me (and, surprise now, you) nothing about their ability to perform in a competent manner.

Again, you’ve got a limited and faulty perspective on problem solving, so you ‘fix’ your things the way you want, and I fix things the way I want. Ever heard of a ‘lemon law’? When someone purposely creates defective products they are responsible and they can get sued should their negligence create disasters. In my classes, I don’t let the defectives leave with my endorsement of achievement. I would be negligent sending a person to a job site who I knew could not assemble a sandwich on a good day. But if you want to spend your time, and the company’s money – frankly, I’m surprised you’ve not been fired for wasting resources – be my guest. Students are not hardware. Hardware, I can fix. It’s engineered in a certain way and one can get a bright group of Purdue engineers – not Queen’s College poseurs – to analyse the design and the environment in which the equipment operates and then another bright group from Duke to assess the ability of the workforce to employ, operate, maintain, and support the machine as intended. Only then would you know why the equipment is malfunctioning.

At the stage many community college students enter the classroom, as my southern friends often say, ‘You can’t fix stupid’. Still, they show up, because they can, with no implied or expressed warranty. All I know is that most of them come without the skills necessary to WORK in a classroom or anyplace else and I am a teacher not an exorcist or miracle worker.

If I had not worked in the private sector, I would not be in the position to make these statements about what happens in both spheres. I know about work and I know about competency. Once defined, work expresses its need. Once expressed, I know who to hire to perform those work tasks. And so I sort and cull, send a few ahead, those I would vouch for, and hoping that some bright Carnegie-Mellon engineering group advances automation so that I won’t need to worry as much about the inefficiencies of the human in the loop. Meanwhile, you keep polishing those turds…

You could work on fixing the problem instead of complaining about your students. But that not what academics do is it? These students have had a succession of teachers who complained about lack of standards and what horrible material they were given. And it appears they have one more in that line. I hope you never are pushed to work for any private employer. With your attitude, like most academics, you will not last long.

It appears your anger management classes failed you. I suspect that teacher is whining about the poor caliber of students he was handed. He would be absolutely correct.

Just for the record, I appreciate your honesty and refusal to patina what is really going on in “higher” ed with the typical euphemisms, platitudes and projected excuses. I entered a local community college to in order to get some generals on the cheap and I was disgusted as well. Classmates were prodded along and accommodated for their own laziness.

There is a culture of “it’s someone else’s fault”, and I found most disgusting the enabling in which the professors engaged. The expectations are LOW. I was equally disappointed to find the same attitude at our local University. I suspect that inflation has hit the post-secondary arena as well. Everyone is pressured to get there, get through, so it loses value.

There needs to be, in my opinion, a way to dignify all kinds of work in our society. Not everyone is, or should be deluded that, we are all academically astute, and some are meant to labor, tinker or nurture. Wages must reflect the value of real work. Think of daycare providers . . . think of garbage collection . . . think of food distribution . . . these are valuable ways to contribute to society, but it is not well acknowledged by society nor by wages.

Peace,
Melissa

I’m sorry someone stuck you with that name. It explains a lot probably in your makeup. Tell you what: ask a chemist if weights and measures are unimportant to their work. Ask someone, anyone, who works with fluids in transportation or medicine. The question I ask speaks of mathematics and logic, basic reasoning and comprehension. Obviously my students echo your views: these abilities are completely useless and for that reason they remain unengaged and unemployed. And then, if you can, rethink your notion of what makes a trivial question. Better yet, send me a question, a relevant one in your view, that you think my students should be able to answer. I’ll test them on it and report the results. And my first name is Harry. You see, the name in front is usually the person’s first name, unless a comma follows it which would then make it a person’s LAST name. Would you care for some remedial grammar, English, writing?

And to the Canary: the answer is 14. 14 angels. Same challenge to you: send me a question you think my students should be able to answer. Both of you completely miss the point I’m making: most community college students do not possess either the academic or the behavioral skills to compete in a modern job market. Most who start, never finish. They quit actually. I don’t need to fail them. They fail themselves. The smart ones, in a relative sense, ask someone to read the writing on the wall and when they figure out that they a)need to come to class regularly, b) prepare to participate by reading assignments, c) complete assigned work, d) ask questions if they don’t know what’s going on, and e) don’t get an ‘A’ for wardrobe selection, they leave, just as dumb as ever. I’m not running a day care facility. And then sending them to these places and then ‘hoping’ that somehow, some way, a transformation will occur is beyond fantastic, it’s shameful. Remember, one letter separates ‘hope’ from ‘hype’. Speak of…

You’re both so angry!!! Have *you* thought about attending an Anger Management course at a Continuing Education facility, that or some craft course where you won’t be around sharp objects?

in a wicked society like US, the more wicked people do much better than honest folk.
in fact, a number of people in US cannot adjust to american way of life and regardless degree of their intelligence, energy, motivation; wishes to belong, adjust, contribute, etc.

the reason for ‘maladjustment’ of honest people to americanism is the fact that they are assiduously handed dwn a fictive reality.
and honest and dishonest people [save narrow circle of gangsters] are, ergo, near-totally at sea.
at least 90% of USans have no clue about what is going on. tnx

One is teachers who smugly blame their students for their own inability to teach. I have never met anyone who was unwilling to learn. There are teachers who expect their students to hang on their every incrutable word and bust their butts to mine micrograms of gold from mountains of fecal waste matter. Then there are the good teachers who give clear expositions of useful information and did not waste students time with the teachers ego. I have a good idea which one you are.

You are like the professor of russian languages and literature who continuously wrote right wing diatribes on the evils of government and the importance of unregulated capitalism as op eds in the local paper. He had never worked for a private employer. He was always protected by tenure in a publicly funded university. I wonder what his salary would be in a private enterprise system without government propping up the wages in his field. But that’s just good for other people, not the glorified academic.

The other rathole is the multitude of weapons we have to destroy the world 100 times over, most made to enrich the military contractors. There is nothing wrong with a strong defense. This has gone far beyond a strong defense and weakens us. It is used for offense in preemptive war. This will be our downfall.

It is unimaginable to me that you go around asking people if they know how many pints in a gallon or thousandths of an inch in 5/32 inch or furlongs in a fortnight for that matter. I would suspect the people you do that to either feed you silly answers to mess with you or walk off thinking “psycho”. How many Angels can dance on the head of a pin, anyway? I’m sure you know the answer.

Why else would you wander the country, putting random people to your ludicrous “pints and gallons” intelligence test, if only to make yourself feel superior to the “common trash”? I don’t see any other reason why you have memorized an increasingly useless and utterly basic piece of trivia about liquid measure that is irrelevant to the rest of the world and increasingly unimportant in ordinary lives?

What community college do you teach at? I would like to see the course catalog:

“Obsolete Liquid Measurements 101, with a heaping dose of derision and smugness,” by Professor Lewis; 1 credit

Competition is wonderful. Why don’t you get out of government employment and try getting into a field with real competition. That is allowing the very doubtful assumption that anyone in the private sector would employ someone so full of excuses. And of course there would be the wage and benefit cuts you would have to suffer.

You sound like a marketeering teacher or perhaps a motivational guru. All sound and fury signifying nothing. I have found in teaching at the community college, in tutoring university students, in training within industry for complex technical fields that every person I have taught has been open to learning. You have to have something to say. People have always listened to me and learned. Why is it you have had a problem in that area?

As far as military industrial academic complex and the problems created thereby. Every penny put into the military is a penny taken from something else. We live in a country spending more on the military than all others combined by a huge margin. We hear continuous excuses about haw there is not enough money for infrastructure, health care, job creation, care for the aged, etc. etc. ad nauseam but there is always plenty for the military and banksters. It is all priorities and the priorities are backward.

Were it not for the DEFENSE Advanced Research Projects Agency there would be no Internet, no e-mail, no Google, and no, Al Gore did not work at DARPA.

Don’t like the military industrial complex here, try Israel, an entity almost entirely constructed and supported by warfare innovations and ideologies, perpetuated thanks to it. You might want to read a few stories reported today about their use of white phosphorous munitions against non-combatants during the recent massacre.

Sorry, but Eisenhower lost the argument about tying military might to economic and national prosperity and only with Kennedy’s grand scheme to outspend the Russians in a race to space did sufficient funds flow into education as a result of the NDEA, which trained the scientists, engineers, and technicians to bring to you and others writing here the life you enjoy now. And the race itself began with Russian scientists and engineers doing something OUR educators could not prepare our students to do.

Don’t enjoy life here? Don’t want to clean up your own mess of world-topping illegitimacy rates, world class crime rates, third world like education achievement levels? Leave. You’ll be moving in an opposite direction from the vast majority who would rather be here than in hovels.

And to Mr. Canary, your name bespeaks your chirping rant. Try replacing fear with reason and see what happens. Would recommend your coming to grips with the inexorable force of social Darwinism wherein there are winners and losers, and where the losers are indeed sent packing. Life is not T-ball. Not everyone needs to feel important. Social promotion does not make sense. Hiring by attributes as opposed to abilities is in the long run suicidal.

Don’t like competition, don’t like developing skills to make yourself competitive, to create your own sense of well-being and support, then of course, blame others, seek handouts, and lament the current state of affairs.

You sound so much like my students – aimless yet accusatory, confused yet certain, busy but irresponsible, annoyingly superficial but pompous, conversational but tedious, and simply academically unqualified to answer a simple question: how many pints make up a gallon? Ask that question of most high school and community college students and see what you get for an answer. It’s a standard question I use throughout my travels and the responses are more tragic and poignant than any bit of sham accusation you can pitch my way. And then tell me, in front of a mirror, how the military-industrial- congressional complex has created this macabre situation…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8wwMFmCeE&NR=1

He doesn’t specifically mention an “academic” complex, but it’s implicit in his final words: “Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.” How are we to have an “alert and knowledgeable citizenry” if academia is out of the equation?

As for the accusation that I’ve attacked someone’s resume, I don’t see it in my previous statement. I don’t get into ad hominem arguments; I try to volley ideas, not sentiments or people. I have stated this before and I’ll state it again: the comments at DV and other good sites that allow for comments would be stronger and more helpful if the commenters stuck close to the original article and did not go off on tangents attacking each other and defending themselves ad nauseum. It gets to be a bit adolescent.

Below are two links discussing the point including text of the speech. It was not too hard to find. I would have thought that a scholar like yourself could have come across these and more.

As far as the availability of jobs, you are full of crap. The country has been pillaged by the corporations since the reaganoid coup. If you had worked in any productive capacity rather than being in the cocoon of publicly subsidized academic employment you would realize that. I fear for my children and their ability to find useful, paying jobs despite university and community college education. And if they had teachers like you I would fear even more.

Fortunately they did not. Neither did I, at a community college and two universities. Nor did I blame my students, when I taught in the evenings, because I was able to motivate them by showing them there was something of value for them to learn. Try it, but it will only work if you actually have something of value to teach.

We will not see any recovery of significance till the focus is returned to a productive economy rather than an economy of financial bubbles. That would mean an economy which does not pay finance thieves thousands of times more than mechanics, farmers or builders let alone engineers, nurses or doctors. It would mean and economy based on something other than marketeering, sales hype and finance manipulation. Casinos would no longer be considered significant investment. Flipping real estate would be considered disreputable and dishonest. And community college instructors would quit blaming their students for their own shortcomings.

http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/2009/01/academic-industrial-complex.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104×763086