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		<title>By: pete thommes</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-56021</link>
		<dc:creator>pete thommes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i do not for one minute believe israel wants peace .  that would upset their plan to take over the whole middle east.  what have we come to in america . all this talk about human rights in china , russia etc. who gives a rat ass about some arab who just want,s to live the way he has the last 10,00 years. ah america what have you come to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do not for one minute believe israel wants peace .  that would upset their plan to take over the whole middle east.  what have we come to in america . all this talk about human rights in china , russia etc. who gives a rat ass about some arab who just want,s to live the way he has the last 10,00 years. ah america what have you come to.</p>
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		<title>By: jon s</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-51436</link>
		<dc:creator>jon s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mebosa, 
The settlements are illegal, all of them, and will have to be removed in the context of any possible peace agreement. I don&#039;t see how using the term &quot;settlers&quot; is wrong in any way. 
You don&#039;t seem to get my point : it&#039;s not a good idea for Israel to recognize pre-1948 property rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mebosa,<br />
The settlements are illegal, all of them, and will have to be removed in the context of any possible peace agreement. I don&#8217;t see how using the term &#8220;settlers&#8221; is wrong in any way.<br />
You don&#8217;t seem to get my point : it&#8217;s not a good idea for Israel to recognize pre-1948 property rights.</p>
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		<title>By: mebosa ritchie</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-51434</link>
		<dc:creator>mebosa ritchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hamas--the caring side of the palestinians

Hamas blocks 50 from leaving Strip
 50 Palestinians who were supposed to cross into Israel from the Gaza Strip Tuesday, mostly in order to receive medical treatment in israel, were repelled by Hamas security forces at the Beit Hameches Junction just west of the Erez Crossing. In the north-eastern Gaza Strip. 


Hamas operatives blocked off the road and prevented the Palestinians from reaching the crossing with Israel. 

Israeli officials said the Hamas blockade was likely part of paranoia by the terror group that Fatah officials were disguised as sick people who required treatment in Israeli hospitals, in an effort to sneak out of Gaza to attend the Fatah conference which was due to open in Bethlehem Tuesday morning. 

Hamas men at the junction ordered the people who arrived to return to the Interior Ministry in Gaza City and have their permits to leave the Strip reissued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hamas&#8211;the caring side of the palestinians</p>
<p>Hamas blocks 50 from leaving Strip<br />
 50 Palestinians who were supposed to cross into Israel from the Gaza Strip Tuesday, mostly in order to receive medical treatment in israel, were repelled by Hamas security forces at the Beit Hameches Junction just west of the Erez Crossing. In the north-eastern Gaza Strip. </p>
<p>Hamas operatives blocked off the road and prevented the Palestinians from reaching the crossing with Israel. </p>
<p>Israeli officials said the Hamas blockade was likely part of paranoia by the terror group that Fatah officials were disguised as sick people who required treatment in Israeli hospitals, in an effort to sneak out of Gaza to attend the Fatah conference which was due to open in Bethlehem Tuesday morning. </p>
<p>Hamas men at the junction ordered the people who arrived to return to the Interior Ministry in Gaza City and have their permits to leave the Strip reissued.</p>
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		<title>By: mebosa ritchie</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-51433</link>
		<dc:creator>mebosa ritchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jon,don&#039;t fall in to the trap of using jew hate speak like settlers.
they are israeli citizens who happened to move in at the request of the legal owners
pre 48 land in israel,as far as most arabs are concerned belongs,in its entirety to arabs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jon,don&#8217;t fall in to the trap of using jew hate speak like settlers.<br />
they are israeli citizens who happened to move in at the request of the legal owners<br />
pre 48 land in israel,as far as most arabs are concerned belongs,in its entirety to arabs</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-51430</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even children are arrested in this latest act by the occupying terror force.

http://palsolidarity.org/2009/08/7939

Take action against suppression of Palestinian non-violent resistance in Bil’in
Posted on: August 3, 2009t 

Bil&#039;in demonstrates against ongoing night raids and arrests.
3 August 2009

At around 3am on Monday morning, a large military force wearing combat paint and masks invaded the West Bank village of Bil’in. Israeli soldiers raided several homes, arresting 2 Palestinian children, 5 Palestinian adults including Mohammad Khatib of the Bil’in Popular Committee Against the Wall and Settlements. The home of another member of the Popular Committee was raided, but soldiers could not arrest him because he was not present at home.

Also arrested were the three brothers Khaled Shawkat Abd-Alrazic al-Khateeb (age 23), Mustafa Shawkat Abd-Alrazic al-Khateeb (age18), and Mohammed Show gut Abd-Alrazic al-Khateeb (age 16); Abdullah Ahmad Yassen (age 18); Abdullah Mohammed Ali Yassen (age 16); Issa Mahmoud Issa Abu Rahma (age 40); This brings to 19 the number of Biliner’s currently in custody.

Monday’s raid is another in a series of many that Israeli forces have carried out in Bil’in since June 29 June 2009, Israeli forces have arrested 25 people (most are under 18). Israeli forces have been using interrogation techniques to pressure the arrested youth to give statements against Bil’in community leaders.

Abdullah Abu Rahme, coordinator of the popular committee stated, “Mohmmad Khatib and Adib Abu Rahme along with other leaders of the Palestinian popular struggle are being targeted because the mobilize Palestinians to resist non- violently. The fact is that the Apartheid Wall and the settlements built on Palestinian land are illegal under international law, in the case of our village even the biased Israeli court declared the route illegal. Yet Israel is prosecuting us as criminals because we struggle nonviolently for our freedom.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even children are arrested in this latest act by the occupying terror force.</p>
<p><a href="http://palsolidarity.org/2009/08/7939" rel="nofollow">http://palsolidarity.org/2009/08/7939</a></p>
<p>Take action against suppression of Palestinian non-violent resistance in Bil’in<br />
Posted on: August 3, 2009t </p>
<p>Bil&#8217;in demonstrates against ongoing night raids and arrests.<br />
3 August 2009</p>
<p>At around 3am on Monday morning, a large military force wearing combat paint and masks invaded the West Bank village of Bil’in. Israeli soldiers raided several homes, arresting 2 Palestinian children, 5 Palestinian adults including Mohammad Khatib of the Bil’in Popular Committee Against the Wall and Settlements. The home of another member of the Popular Committee was raided, but soldiers could not arrest him because he was not present at home.</p>
<p>Also arrested were the three brothers Khaled Shawkat Abd-Alrazic al-Khateeb (age 23), Mustafa Shawkat Abd-Alrazic al-Khateeb (age18), and Mohammed Show gut Abd-Alrazic al-Khateeb (age 16); Abdullah Ahmad Yassen (age 18); Abdullah Mohammed Ali Yassen (age 16); Issa Mahmoud Issa Abu Rahma (age 40); This brings to 19 the number of Biliner’s currently in custody.</p>
<p>Monday’s raid is another in a series of many that Israeli forces have carried out in Bil’in since June 29 June 2009, Israeli forces have arrested 25 people (most are under 18). Israeli forces have been using interrogation techniques to pressure the arrested youth to give statements against Bil’in community leaders.</p>
<p>Abdullah Abu Rahme, coordinator of the popular committee stated, “Mohmmad Khatib and Adib Abu Rahme along with other leaders of the Palestinian popular struggle are being targeted because the mobilize Palestinians to resist non- violently. The fact is that the Apartheid Wall and the settlements built on Palestinian land are illegal under international law, in the case of our village even the biased Israeli court declared the route illegal. Yet Israel is prosecuting us as criminals because we struggle nonviolently for our freedom.”</p>
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		<title>By: jon s</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-51428</link>
		<dc:creator>jon s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mebosa,
The point is that Palestinian families are being evicted, to make way for Israeli settlers, who will now make life miserable for their &quot;neighbors&quot;.
I&#039;m sure the Palestinians would be delighted to open all pre-1948 property claims, and you know what that would mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mebosa,<br />
The point is that Palestinian families are being evicted, to make way for Israeli settlers, who will now make life miserable for their &#8220;neighbors&#8221;.<br />
I&#8217;m sure the Palestinians would be delighted to open all pre-1948 property claims, and you know what that would mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-51395</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is sustained today because speaking, teaching and writing about &quot;racism&quot; is its own industry.  It is a thought-crime to stand in the middle, refusing to take a side . . . to take up the approved terms, slogans and buzzwords.

Max, I agree that MLK put his finger on it:  classism and imperialism/war.  That is what scares us so much, that we can&#039;t just wear the platitudes and sympathies, that we will have to shake up our own comfort, identity, only system we recognize, to really get to the root.  I feel too much time and energy is WASTED on the planted diversions.  Thank you for pursuing the conversation to root cause analysis.  

Peace,
Melissa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sustained today because speaking, teaching and writing about &#8220;racism&#8221; is its own industry.  It is a thought-crime to stand in the middle, refusing to take a side . . . to take up the approved terms, slogans and buzzwords.</p>
<p>Max, I agree that MLK put his finger on it:  classism and imperialism/war.  That is what scares us so much, that we can&#8217;t just wear the platitudes and sympathies, that we will have to shake up our own comfort, identity, only system we recognize, to really get to the root.  I feel too much time and energy is WASTED on the planted diversions.  Thank you for pursuing the conversation to root cause analysis.  </p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Melissa</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-51393</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dan e,
How I described Capitalism was to bring it to what is its essence. If you read the works of Adam Smith and David Ricardo who do not see what we have today. 

Ricardo, in particular, would wrote extensively about the need to capture rent from use of natural resources. Had that prescription been established within the our economics it would have saved us from much of the wealth concentration and created a level &quot;playing field&quot; from one generation to another.

Many things contributed to the berserk economic system that presides as the dominate force in the world. But it is this ability to privatize the commons, and corporate person-hood (none of which comes from either Smith or Ricardo), that has sent this from A to Z. Industrialization was the tipping point; at which time we (collectively) said to hell with future generations, it&#039;s all about ME. So, we went full bore with non-renewable fossile fuel with no care whatsoever for anyone but ourselves. This whole society is nothing without fossile. So as it ends, and must, what then? That is not the result of capitalism, but of a pathology that is a blend of a corporate elite and a political system that feeds off of that wealth produced by that elite.

But we, individually, gave it all over...all our power....any concern for the land...became concern about credit (debt) and machinery (industrialization) as we plowed and raped the earth with total abandonment. That is not capitalism, though capitalism has taken on this grotesque, nihilistic form.

As far as racism, frankly I don&#039;t know what it really is, at least not today. Is it the fact that by all indicators people of color generally fair much worse than those who are white. Not really. That to is a symptom. Is it simply a legacy of slavery; of Jim Crow? If so what does that mean? It is a vicious cycle  without end or can we create a path away from it?

It&#039;s easy to talk about slavery (though that is not exclusive to Africans) and one can see the demonizaiton of others to create a power structure (such as Vietnamese/US or Palistinians/Israel); but is that what we&#039;re talking about in the US when we use the word racism? 

I think MLK did ulimately put his finger on it. He understood the machinery of war/classism and that it with the concentration of wealth created a prolonged dichotomy of &quot;race&quot; an invention to communicate a collective difference for the means of control and domination. But why is it sustained today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan e,<br />
How I described Capitalism was to bring it to what is its essence. If you read the works of Adam Smith and David Ricardo who do not see what we have today. </p>
<p>Ricardo, in particular, would wrote extensively about the need to capture rent from use of natural resources. Had that prescription been established within the our economics it would have saved us from much of the wealth concentration and created a level &#8220;playing field&#8221; from one generation to another.</p>
<p>Many things contributed to the berserk economic system that presides as the dominate force in the world. But it is this ability to privatize the commons, and corporate person-hood (none of which comes from either Smith or Ricardo), that has sent this from A to Z. Industrialization was the tipping point; at which time we (collectively) said to hell with future generations, it&#8217;s all about ME. So, we went full bore with non-renewable fossile fuel with no care whatsoever for anyone but ourselves. This whole society is nothing without fossile. So as it ends, and must, what then? That is not the result of capitalism, but of a pathology that is a blend of a corporate elite and a political system that feeds off of that wealth produced by that elite.</p>
<p>But we, individually, gave it all over&#8230;all our power&#8230;.any concern for the land&#8230;became concern about credit (debt) and machinery (industrialization) as we plowed and raped the earth with total abandonment. That is not capitalism, though capitalism has taken on this grotesque, nihilistic form.</p>
<p>As far as racism, frankly I don&#8217;t know what it really is, at least not today. Is it the fact that by all indicators people of color generally fair much worse than those who are white. Not really. That to is a symptom. Is it simply a legacy of slavery; of Jim Crow? If so what does that mean? It is a vicious cycle  without end or can we create a path away from it?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to talk about slavery (though that is not exclusive to Africans) and one can see the demonizaiton of others to create a power structure (such as Vietnamese/US or Palistinians/Israel); but is that what we&#8217;re talking about in the US when we use the word racism? </p>
<p>I think MLK did ulimately put his finger on it. He understood the machinery of war/classism and that it with the concentration of wealth created a prolonged dichotomy of &#8220;race&#8221; an invention to communicate a collective difference for the means of control and domination. But why is it sustained today?</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-51385</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Max, the definition of capitalism you offer is inadequate, too simplistic, and not really descriptive. 

I asked you not for a definition of capitalism or of racism, but to describe what it is that you describe them as a &quot;symptom&quot; of. It would seem that you have in mind some more fundamental reality, such as the division of society into classes which occurred shortly after humans began to cultivate cereal crops, and was well advanced by the time irrigation was introduced. Or maybe the fact that in presentday society, Production is social but Appropriation of said product is Individual? I&#039;m just speculating, really have no idea what you have in mind, maybe it&#039;s something completely different? Yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Max, the definition of capitalism you offer is inadequate, too simplistic, and not really descriptive. </p>
<p>I asked you not for a definition of capitalism or of racism, but to describe what it is that you describe them as a &#8220;symptom&#8221; of. It would seem that you have in mind some more fundamental reality, such as the division of society into classes which occurred shortly after humans began to cultivate cereal crops, and was well advanced by the time irrigation was introduced. Or maybe the fact that in presentday society, Production is social but Appropriation of said product is Individual? I&#8217;m just speculating, really have no idea what you have in mind, maybe it&#8217;s something completely different? Yes?</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-51384</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Max, the definition of capitalism you offer is inadequate, too simplistic, and not really descriptive. 

I asked you not for a definition of capitalism or of racism, but to describe what it is that you describe them as a &quot;symptom&quot; of. It would seem that you have in mind some more fundamental reality, such as the division of society into classes which occurred shortly after humans began to cultivate cereal crops, and was well advanced by the time irrigation was introduced. Or maybe the fact that in presentday society, Production is social but Appropriation of said product is Individual? I&#039;m just speculating, really have no idea what you have in mind, maybe it&#039;s something completely different? Yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Max, the definition of capitalism you offer is inadequate, too simplistic, and not really descriptive. </p>
<p>I asked you not for a definition of capitalism or of racism, but to describe what it is that you describe them as a &#8220;symptom&#8221; of. It would seem that you have in mind some more fundamental reality, such as the division of society into classes which occurred shortly after humans began to cultivate cereal crops, and was well advanced by the time irrigation was introduced. Or maybe the fact that in presentday society, Production is social but Appropriation of said product is Individual? I&#8217;m just speculating, really have no idea what you have in mind, maybe it&#8217;s something completely different? Yes?</p>
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		<title>By: mebosa ritchie</title>
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		<dc:creator>mebosa ritchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jon s--some background;these were jewish captured by the arabs in 1948 and subsequently retaken by the israelis in 1967
if, god forbid,the arabs won any war against israel they would not go through any court to obtain property;they would just slaughter the occupants---their words not mine

the homes were owned by Jews dating back to the late 19th century, and were abandoned during a spate of Arab attacks in the area in the 1920s and &#039;30s. 
the Jordanian government took control of these plots under the Enemy Property Law during its rule from 1948 to 1967. 

In 1956, 28 Palestinian families who had been receiving refugee assistance from UNRWA were selected to benefit from a relief project, in which they forfeited their refugee aid and moved into homes built on &quot;formerly Jewish property leased by the Custodian of Enemy Property to the Ministry of Development. 

The agreement stipulated that the ownership of the homes was to be put in the families&#039; names - a step that never took place. 

In 1972, two Israeli organizations - the Sephardic Community Committee and the Knesset Yisrael Committee - began notifying the residents that they owed rent, and initiated a process with the Israel Lands Administration to register the land in their names, also based on 19th-century Ottoman-era documents. 

In 1982, the two committees brought a lawsuit against 23 families for rent delinquency. 

the lawyer representing the Palestinians, did not contest the legitimacy of the committees&#039; ownership claims, and instead arrived at a court-ordered settlement - a binding agreement that can be appealed only if proven to be based on false grounds The years since have resulted in a slew of legal battles between the two sides, now culminating in the eviction of neighborhood residents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jon s&#8211;some background;these were jewish captured by the arabs in 1948 and subsequently retaken by the israelis in 1967<br />
if, god forbid,the arabs won any war against israel they would not go through any court to obtain property;they would just slaughter the occupants&#8212;their words not mine</p>
<p>the homes were owned by Jews dating back to the late 19th century, and were abandoned during a spate of Arab attacks in the area in the 1920s and &#8217;30s.<br />
the Jordanian government took control of these plots under the Enemy Property Law during its rule from 1948 to 1967. </p>
<p>In 1956, 28 Palestinian families who had been receiving refugee assistance from UNRWA were selected to benefit from a relief project, in which they forfeited their refugee aid and moved into homes built on &#8220;formerly Jewish property leased by the Custodian of Enemy Property to the Ministry of Development. </p>
<p>The agreement stipulated that the ownership of the homes was to be put in the families&#8217; names &#8211; a step that never took place. </p>
<p>In 1972, two Israeli organizations &#8211; the Sephardic Community Committee and the Knesset Yisrael Committee &#8211; began notifying the residents that they owed rent, and initiated a process with the Israel Lands Administration to register the land in their names, also based on 19th-century Ottoman-era documents. </p>
<p>In 1982, the two committees brought a lawsuit against 23 families for rent delinquency. </p>
<p>the lawyer representing the Palestinians, did not contest the legitimacy of the committees&#8217; ownership claims, and instead arrived at a court-ordered settlement &#8211; a binding agreement that can be appealed only if proven to be based on false grounds The years since have resulted in a slew of legal battles between the two sides, now culminating in the eviction of neighborhood residents</p>
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		<title>By: jon s</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-51357</link>
		<dc:creator>jon s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mebosa,
The expulsion of Palestinian families seems to be a grave injustice, and furthermore the recognition of property claims from before 1948 is a boomerang: if you accept pre-1948 Jewish claims, the Palestinians will be all too happy to prove their pre-1948 property claims, and you&#039;re opening the door for the &quot;Right of Return&quot; .

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mebosa,<br />
The expulsion of Palestinian families seems to be a grave injustice, and furthermore the recognition of property claims from before 1948 is a boomerang: if you accept pre-1948 Jewish claims, the Palestinians will be all too happy to prove their pre-1948 property claims, and you&#8217;re opening the door for the &#8220;Right of Return&#8221; .</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-51356</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it is that hate and not over coming our instincts with reason that will not work out well.  We human&#039;s seem to have no problem with hate instinct and reason a little harder. Simple thought don&#039;t you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it is that hate and not over coming our instincts with reason that will not work out well.  We human&#8217;s seem to have no problem with hate instinct and reason a little harder. Simple thought don&#8217;t you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-51343</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cherished mebosa golem-while I don&#039;t for a second take your version of events as the truth, having been exposed to more lies, more arrogant dissembling and more hypocrisy from Zionazis than any other group I have ever encountered, your trademark excuse-making raises at least two questions. If Jewish property rights from 1948 are so sacrosanct why are Palestinian property rights from that era, the rights of the hundreds of thousands of  the ethnically cleansed, the descendants of inhabitants of the region for centuries, worth nothing.? Why does Israel, in arrogant and contemptuous refusal to obey international law, refuse to allow their return? I know the real reason, that you see your tribe as the centre of all existence, with &#039;rights&#039; that trump those of all the non-Judaic &#039;two-legged animals&#039;, but here&#039;s a chance to be inventive. Make up a new self-serving exculpation for Judaic brutality and racist contempt.
                             As to the &#039;sage&#039; Shimon HaTzaddik I imagine if he really was a &#039;sage&#039; that he would regard racist supremacists with disdain or horror. If he was just some sort of antique Judaic supremacist, and would approve of such brutal racism, then he&#039;s no sage. What&#039;s more, the area now known as Jerusalem has been occupied by human beings for ten thousand years, in settled existence, and tens of thousands more as nomads. Why precisely, does the existence of one Jew, two thousand years ago, trump the human rights of the living descendants of all those other countless generations who have inhabited this land?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cherished mebosa golem-while I don&#8217;t for a second take your version of events as the truth, having been exposed to more lies, more arrogant dissembling and more hypocrisy from Zionazis than any other group I have ever encountered, your trademark excuse-making raises at least two questions. If Jewish property rights from 1948 are so sacrosanct why are Palestinian property rights from that era, the rights of the hundreds of thousands of  the ethnically cleansed, the descendants of inhabitants of the region for centuries, worth nothing.? Why does Israel, in arrogant and contemptuous refusal to obey international law, refuse to allow their return? I know the real reason, that you see your tribe as the centre of all existence, with &#8216;rights&#8217; that trump those of all the non-Judaic &#8216;two-legged animals&#8217;, but here&#8217;s a chance to be inventive. Make up a new self-serving exculpation for Judaic brutality and racist contempt.<br />
                             As to the &#8216;sage&#8217; Shimon HaTzaddik I imagine if he really was a &#8216;sage&#8217; that he would regard racist supremacists with disdain or horror. If he was just some sort of antique Judaic supremacist, and would approve of such brutal racism, then he&#8217;s no sage. What&#8217;s more, the area now known as Jerusalem has been occupied by human beings for ten thousand years, in settled existence, and tens of thousands more as nomads. Why precisely, does the existence of one Jew, two thousand years ago, trump the human rights of the living descendants of all those other countless generations who have inhabited this land?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capitalism is just a word for an economic system that’s gone berserk. 

   Thank&#039;s Max berserk great way to put it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capitalism is just a word for an economic system that’s gone berserk. </p>
<p>   Thank&#8217;s Max berserk great way to put it.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-51322</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dan e looks like we have some common ground regarding the Israel/Palestinian dilemma.

I would ask that you define what you mean by racism and why it persists.

Capitalism is just a word for an economic system that&#039;s gone berserk. 

Thank you in advance for your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan e looks like we have some common ground regarding the Israel/Palestinian dilemma.</p>
<p>I would ask that you define what you mean by racism and why it persists.</p>
<p>Capitalism is just a word for an economic system that&#8217;s gone berserk. </p>
<p>Thank you in advance for your response.</p>
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		<title>By: mebosa ritchie</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israels-discriminatory-land-policies/#comment-51317</link>
		<dc:creator>mebosa ritchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High Court Evicts Arab Squatters in Jerusalem

mary--the REAL TRUE story as opposed to bbc lies
you probably pfere the lies because you&#039;re used to that

High Court Evicts Arab Squatters in Jerusalem
 
Two Arab families were evicted from Jewish-owned homes in the Shimon HaTzaddik neighborhood of Jerusalem on Sunday morning. The evictions took place following a Supreme Court ruling in which the court found in favor of Jewish families who claimed ownership of homes in the area.

The evictions took place without unusual disturbances, police said.

The Arab families claimed that they owned the houses in which they lived. Jewish families argued that they were the legal owners of the homes, and that the Arabs had squatted there illegally in an attempt to wrest control of the property from its rightful owners. 

The Arab families presented documents that appeared to show Arab ownership of the homes dating back to the Ottoman period. However, the court found that the documents had been forged, and that the documents presented by the Jewish plaintiffs were legitimate.

The neighborhood in question is located near the 2,000-year-old gravesite of the sage Shimon HaTzaddik. The neighborhood was founded in the first half of the 20th century by Jewish families, but fell under Jordanian rule following the 1948 War of Independence and was quickly populated by Jordanian Arabs.

Since the reunification of Jerusalem under Israeli rule in 1967, a number of Jewish families have moved back into the area. Their arrival has been greeted with hostility from local Arabs and from the Palestinian Authority, which has demanded control over the neighborhood as part of a future Arab capital city in Jerusalem.

Jewish activists have fought several legal battles in recent years regarding properties in Jerusalem and in Shimon HaTzaddik in particular. Activists say they are undeterred by the difficulties of regaining control of Jewish property, and plan to continue their efforts to reestablish a Jewish presence in historic Jerusalem neighborhoods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High Court Evicts Arab Squatters in Jerusalem</p>
<p>mary&#8211;the REAL TRUE story as opposed to bbc lies<br />
you probably pfere the lies because you&#8217;re used to that</p>
<p>High Court Evicts Arab Squatters in Jerusalem</p>
<p>Two Arab families were evicted from Jewish-owned homes in the Shimon HaTzaddik neighborhood of Jerusalem on Sunday morning. The evictions took place following a Supreme Court ruling in which the court found in favor of Jewish families who claimed ownership of homes in the area.</p>
<p>The evictions took place without unusual disturbances, police said.</p>
<p>The Arab families claimed that they owned the houses in which they lived. Jewish families argued that they were the legal owners of the homes, and that the Arabs had squatted there illegally in an attempt to wrest control of the property from its rightful owners. </p>
<p>The Arab families presented documents that appeared to show Arab ownership of the homes dating back to the Ottoman period. However, the court found that the documents had been forged, and that the documents presented by the Jewish plaintiffs were legitimate.</p>
<p>The neighborhood in question is located near the 2,000-year-old gravesite of the sage Shimon HaTzaddik. The neighborhood was founded in the first half of the 20th century by Jewish families, but fell under Jordanian rule following the 1948 War of Independence and was quickly populated by Jordanian Arabs.</p>
<p>Since the reunification of Jerusalem under Israeli rule in 1967, a number of Jewish families have moved back into the area. Their arrival has been greeted with hostility from local Arabs and from the Palestinian Authority, which has demanded control over the neighborhood as part of a future Arab capital city in Jerusalem.</p>
<p>Jewish activists have fought several legal battles in recent years regarding properties in Jerusalem and in Shimon HaTzaddik in particular. Activists say they are undeterred by the difficulties of regaining control of Jewish property, and plan to continue their efforts to reestablish a Jewish presence in historic Jerusalem neighborhoods.</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B99, with all due respect, do you really think it possible to reach an agreement with the Zionazis which will provide a just solution to the plight of the Palestinians? 

An end to the current system of power relationships in the ME is not possible without a major shift in the balance of global military, financial and media/propaganda/psyops power. 

To envision a real social revolution, in which the current power structure is dismantled and replaced by another more attuned to real human needs is of course a tall order, but such a vision does not equal &quot;the entire cosmos going down a black hole and out the other&quot;. 

So let&#039;s not exaggerate the problem, but let&#039;s not minimize it either. Let&#039;s face the facts: as long as the current bunch is running things there will be no justice for the Palestinians, the Native Americans, or anybody else who has something these ZioImperialists want. 

Even if you insist on doubting that &quot;US Imperialism&quot; is now being run primarily by and for the richest of the Zionazi Superich, even if you think that the &quot;goyish&quot; element still dominates the capitalist ruling class, what reason have you to hope said goyish Militarist-Fascists will force the Jewish State to agree to anything resembling &quot;a just peace&quot;?&#039; The evidence of the last sixty-odd years says the whole concept of a negotiated settlement with these fanatic zionists is a pipe dream. 

At some pt you have to wise up &amp; stop buying into these pipedreams. It may be unpleasant to look reality straight in the eye, but that&#039;s a necessary first step in the process of finding a way to deal with it. 

BTW, Max ol&#039; buddy, what is it that Racism &amp; Capitalism are a &quot;symptom&quot; of? Thanks:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B99, with all due respect, do you really think it possible to reach an agreement with the Zionazis which will provide a just solution to the plight of the Palestinians? </p>
<p>An end to the current system of power relationships in the ME is not possible without a major shift in the balance of global military, financial and media/propaganda/psyops power. </p>
<p>To envision a real social revolution, in which the current power structure is dismantled and replaced by another more attuned to real human needs is of course a tall order, but such a vision does not equal &#8220;the entire cosmos going down a black hole and out the other&#8221;. </p>
<p>So let&#8217;s not exaggerate the problem, but let&#8217;s not minimize it either. Let&#8217;s face the facts: as long as the current bunch is running things there will be no justice for the Palestinians, the Native Americans, or anybody else who has something these ZioImperialists want. </p>
<p>Even if you insist on doubting that &#8220;US Imperialism&#8221; is now being run primarily by and for the richest of the Zionazi Superich, even if you think that the &#8220;goyish&#8221; element still dominates the capitalist ruling class, what reason have you to hope said goyish Militarist-Fascists will force the Jewish State to agree to anything resembling &#8220;a just peace&#8221;?&#8217; The evidence of the last sixty-odd years says the whole concept of a negotiated settlement with these fanatic zionists is a pipe dream. </p>
<p>At some pt you have to wise up &amp; stop buying into these pipedreams. It may be unpleasant to look reality straight in the eye, but that&#8217;s a necessary first step in the process of finding a way to deal with it. </p>
<p>BTW, Max ol&#8217; buddy, what is it that Racism &amp; Capitalism are a &#8220;symptom&#8221; of? Thanks:)</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we do not know of any conqueror who expelled mass of people.
Even americans have seldom expelled red people; most of them were slain or died of imported diseases.
thus apaches still live in arizona. Other tribes, of what was left of them, still inhabit ancestral lands.
bulgars and hungarians have not expelled conquered slavs. Franks have not expelled gauls. Lombrads, croats, auatrians, czechs, slovaks, norewegians, et al have not expelled indigenous pops.
conquests or migrations often resulted in either indigenes assimilating newcomers or vice versa.
In hungary, magyars have assimilated moravians while in bulgaria, bulgars were assimilated by slavs who retained their  langauge.

lombards, gauls, franks , moravians have lost their languages but most germanic peoples have not.
historians do not report of mass murder by newcomers in any region of europe.

&#039;jews&#039; are an anomaly in this regard; thus, we wld be criminal  to reward them for their behavior.
the win-win situation is for two peoples to live together.
those that can&#039;t or won&#039;t live with pal&#039;ns wld leave anyway. The people that wld leave wld be mostly  nonshemitic voelken.
tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we do not know of any conqueror who expelled mass of people.<br />
Even americans have seldom expelled red people; most of them were slain or died of imported diseases.<br />
thus apaches still live in arizona. Other tribes, of what was left of them, still inhabit ancestral lands.<br />
bulgars and hungarians have not expelled conquered slavs. Franks have not expelled gauls. Lombrads, croats, auatrians, czechs, slovaks, norewegians, et al have not expelled indigenous pops.<br />
conquests or migrations often resulted in either indigenes assimilating newcomers or vice versa.<br />
In hungary, magyars have assimilated moravians while in bulgaria, bulgars were assimilated by slavs who retained their  langauge.</p>
<p>lombards, gauls, franks , moravians have lost their languages but most germanic peoples have not.<br />
historians do not report of mass murder by newcomers in any region of europe.</p>
<p>&#8216;jews&#8217; are an anomaly in this regard; thus, we wld be criminal  to reward them for their behavior.<br />
the win-win situation is for two peoples to live together.<br />
those that can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t live with pal&#8217;ns wld leave anyway. The people that wld leave wld be mostly  nonshemitic voelken.<br />
tnx</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How terrifying  for the 19 children to be confronted by the Israeli thugs in their black riot gear.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8180413.stm
Sunday, 2 August 2009 15:25 UK
  
Palestinians evicted in Jerusalem  
 
Palestinian officials say the families lived in the houses for over 50 years  (photo)

Israeli police have evicted nine Palestinian families living in two houses in occupied East Jerusalem.

Jewish settlers moved into the houses almost immediately. The US has urged Israel to abandon plans for a building project in the area. 

Israel has occupied East Jerusalem since 1967, a move not recognised by the international community. 

The evictions have been condemned by the United Nations, the Palestinians and also the UK government. 

The US said the evictions were not in keeping with Israel&#039;s obligations under the so-called &quot;road map&quot; to resolve the Israel-Palestinian conflict. 

&#039;Deplorable&#039;

The operation to evict the 53 Palestinians in the Sheikh Jarrah district of the city was carried out before dawn on Sunday by police clad in black riot gear. 

It followed a ruling by Israel&#039;s Supreme Court that the land originally belonged to Jewish families. Israel wants to build a block of 20 apartments in the area. 
 
The police were clad in black riot gear  (photo)

The evictions were quickly condemned by the United Nations. 

&quot;I deplore today&#039;s totally unacceptable actions by Israel,&quot; the UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, Robert H Serry said. &quot;These actions are contrary to the provisions of the Geneva Conventions related to occupied territory. 

&quot;These actions heighten tensions and undermine international efforts to create conditions for fruitful negotiations to achieve peace,&quot; Mr Perry said. 

Palestinian negotiator Saed Erakat said: &quot;Tonight, while these new settlers from abroad will be accommodating themselves and their belongings in these Palestinian houses, 19 newly homeless children will have nowhere to sleep.&quot; 

Sovereignty &#039;unquestionable&#039;

Israel considers a united Jerusalem to be the capital of the state of Israel. 

&quot;Our sovereignty over it is unquestionable,&quot; Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said last month. 

&quot;We cannot accept the idea that Jews will not have the right to live and buy [homes] anywhere in Jerusalem.&quot; 

The BBC&#039;s Tim Franks in Jerusalem says the houses are in what is probably the most contested city on earth and the diplomatic ripples from the evictions will spread. 

The UK joined in the condemnation of the evictions. &quot;These actions are incompatible with the Israeli professed desire for peace,&quot; the British Consulate in East Jerusalem said. &quot;We urge Israel not to allow the extremists to set the agenda.&quot; 

There are an estimated 250,000 Palestinians living in East Jerusalem and 200,000 Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How terrifying  for the 19 children to be confronted by the Israeli thugs in their black riot gear.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8180413.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8180413.stm</a><br />
Sunday, 2 August 2009 15:25 UK</p>
<p>Palestinians evicted in Jerusalem  </p>
<p>Palestinian officials say the families lived in the houses for over 50 years  (photo)</p>
<p>Israeli police have evicted nine Palestinian families living in two houses in occupied East Jerusalem.</p>
<p>Jewish settlers moved into the houses almost immediately. The US has urged Israel to abandon plans for a building project in the area. </p>
<p>Israel has occupied East Jerusalem since 1967, a move not recognised by the international community. </p>
<p>The evictions have been condemned by the United Nations, the Palestinians and also the UK government. </p>
<p>The US said the evictions were not in keeping with Israel&#8217;s obligations under the so-called &#8220;road map&#8221; to resolve the Israel-Palestinian conflict. </p>
<p>&#8216;Deplorable&#8217;</p>
<p>The operation to evict the 53 Palestinians in the Sheikh Jarrah district of the city was carried out before dawn on Sunday by police clad in black riot gear. </p>
<p>It followed a ruling by Israel&#8217;s Supreme Court that the land originally belonged to Jewish families. Israel wants to build a block of 20 apartments in the area. </p>
<p>The police were clad in black riot gear  (photo)</p>
<p>The evictions were quickly condemned by the United Nations. </p>
<p>&#8220;I deplore today&#8217;s totally unacceptable actions by Israel,&#8221; the UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, Robert H Serry said. &#8220;These actions are contrary to the provisions of the Geneva Conventions related to occupied territory. </p>
<p>&#8220;These actions heighten tensions and undermine international efforts to create conditions for fruitful negotiations to achieve peace,&#8221; Mr Perry said. </p>
<p>Palestinian negotiator Saed Erakat said: &#8220;Tonight, while these new settlers from abroad will be accommodating themselves and their belongings in these Palestinian houses, 19 newly homeless children will have nowhere to sleep.&#8221; </p>
<p>Sovereignty &#8216;unquestionable&#8217;</p>
<p>Israel considers a united Jerusalem to be the capital of the state of Israel. </p>
<p>&#8220;Our sovereignty over it is unquestionable,&#8221; Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said last month. </p>
<p>&#8220;We cannot accept the idea that Jews will not have the right to live and buy [homes] anywhere in Jerusalem.&#8221; </p>
<p>The BBC&#8217;s Tim Franks in Jerusalem says the houses are in what is probably the most contested city on earth and the diplomatic ripples from the evictions will spread. </p>
<p>The UK joined in the condemnation of the evictions. &#8220;These actions are incompatible with the Israeli professed desire for peace,&#8221; the British Consulate in East Jerusalem said. &#8220;We urge Israel not to allow the extremists to set the agenda.&#8221; </p>
<p>There are an estimated 250,000 Palestinians living in East Jerusalem and 200,000 Jews.</p>
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