Comments on: Israel’s Plan to Wipe Arabic Names off the Map http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: B99 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50626 B99 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:40:36 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50626 Naro - Jews left Palestine in largely numbers to cast their fortunes elsewhere in the empire (and as is typical of empires, one can travel far and wide within them). Having left - the notion of return is mere wist, as it is with any group that immigrates elsewhere. The Jews that toasted, 'next year in Jerusalem' were pretty much just toasting, one cannot ascribe any deep longing from that except a longing to escape the Czar's suffocating oppression. What did Jews do as soon as they could? They immigrated to America. That's where Jews wanted to go - and did so by voting with their feet. Several million of them while Jews in Palestine left and joined them. The establishment of Israel is based in the notion that unassimilable East European Jews could form the physical body of a Jewish State, which head and brain would be the atheist German and Western Jews who wanted to cash in on the notion of colonization - if only they could find a sponsor (they vacillated between Germany and Britain) and a place to colonize (several exotic locales were debated). Jews ENTIRELY lost their relationship to the land of Palestine. Jews ABHORRED physical labor, ESPECIALLY farm labor. This is not tendentious, Jewish culture in Europe was urban, the labor was mental (even if it meant incessantly pouring over the Talmud), and physical labor was viewed as unworthy of a Jew. I'm certain there were exceptions - but that was the culture. (That's why the notion of the 'muscular Israeli' had to be created out of whole cloth - after 1948 - from disparate and estranged European Jews - and it is why Ashkenazis needed Mizrahi to man the frontiers and harvest the crops). There was no such thing as an Israeli before 1948 - while Palestinians, Muslim, Christian, secular and Jew - had been living in their country as such for millenia. Arabs of course, did not steal Palestine. In fact, Arab peninsula ancestry is a distinct minority in the DNA of Palestinians. Palestinians are of all the peoples who inhabited that country for an eternity - including the Canaanites who pre-date the Hebrews. What Arabs brought with Islam was their culture. Palestinian culture is Arabized, as are many other cultures of the region. The continuous presence of Jews in Palestine refers to that tiny group who remained in a few communities such as Tiberias (Teverya). They were of the fabric of that country and lived in relative peace with their neighbors. They were not zionists because they understood that Zion was a state of mind - not a state to be created by European atheists. You are essentially wrong on the the Arab re-naming of the geography of that country. It was a special Jewish Zionists committee that was in charge of renaming Israel to Hebrew names. They could not do it, because the Bible only had a limited number of place references. Tens of thousands of names would have to remain Arab because the Jewish presence - as per the Bible - was scant in most of the country . So they Hebraicized Arabic place names and that of their Canaanite/Philistine ancestors. Start with Ashdod and Ashkelon. Naro – Jews left Palestine in largely numbers to cast their fortunes elsewhere in the empire (and as is typical of empires, one can travel far and wide within them). Having left – the notion of return is mere wist, as it is with any group that immigrates elsewhere. The Jews that toasted, ‘next year in Jerusalem’ were pretty much just toasting, one cannot ascribe any deep longing from that except a longing to escape the Czar’s suffocating oppression. What did Jews do as soon as they could? They immigrated to America. That’s where Jews wanted to go – and did so by voting with their feet. Several million of them while Jews in Palestine left and joined them.

The establishment of Israel is based in the notion that unassimilable East European Jews could form the physical body of a Jewish State, which head and brain would be the atheist German and Western Jews who wanted to cash in on the notion of colonization – if only they could find a sponsor (they vacillated between Germany and Britain) and a place to colonize (several exotic locales were debated).

Jews ENTIRELY lost their relationship to the land of Palestine. Jews ABHORRED physical labor, ESPECIALLY farm labor. This is not tendentious, Jewish culture in Europe was urban, the labor was mental (even if it meant incessantly pouring over the Talmud), and physical labor was viewed as unworthy of a Jew. I’m certain there were exceptions – but that was the culture. (That’s why the notion of the ‘muscular Israeli’ had to be created out of whole cloth – after 1948 – from disparate and estranged European Jews – and it is why Ashkenazis needed Mizrahi to man the frontiers and harvest the crops). There was no such thing as an Israeli before 1948 – while Palestinians, Muslim, Christian, secular and Jew – had been living in their country as such for millenia.

Arabs of course, did not steal Palestine. In fact, Arab peninsula ancestry is a distinct minority in the DNA of Palestinians. Palestinians are of all the peoples who inhabited that country for an eternity – including the Canaanites who pre-date the Hebrews. What Arabs brought with Islam was their culture. Palestinian culture is Arabized, as are many other cultures of the region.

The continuous presence of Jews in Palestine refers to that tiny group who remained in a few communities such as Tiberias (Teverya). They were of the fabric of that country and lived in relative peace with their neighbors. They were not zionists because they understood that Zion was a state of mind – not a state to be created by European atheists.

You are essentially wrong on the the Arab re-naming of the geography of that country. It was a special Jewish Zionists committee that was in charge of renaming Israel to Hebrew names. They could not do it, because the Bible only had a limited number of place references. Tens of thousands of names would have to remain Arab because the Jewish presence – as per the Bible – was scant in most of the country . So they Hebraicized Arabic place names and that of their Canaanite/Philistine ancestors.
Start with Ashdod and Ashkelon.

]]> By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50305 Mulga Mumblebrain Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:00:24 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50305 I see our favourite golem, mebosa has been joined by a new one, naro (as in -minded, clearly). mebosa seems to luxuriate in the greed indices of the Israeli stockmarket. Pretty hard making a quid I guess, when all you have to rely on is your self-confessed magnificence in all things, and several billion in tribute from the US every year, and the misappropriated gelt of thousands of Madoffs throughout the world. Not to forget the slightly shadier earnings from organised crime, arms, drug and human trafficking, blood diamonds etc, etc. I suppose mebosa's smug triumphalism is partly genuine, the love of money being the root of all evil, and partly to excite a negative reaction from the 'Jew-haters' who she sees everywhere. It's an old Zionist parlour-game-act like a prat, and if you annoy someone enough that they make a disparaging comment, start screeching 'anti-Semite'. Naro appears to be a standard Zionist supremacist, where the superiority of the Jews and the greater value of their lives, history and mythologies is, well, it's an article of faith, by definition. Of course, for the 99.85% of the planet's population not lucky enough to have had an entire Universe created to their glory, these delusions are tolerable, so long as they do not harm others. But, of course, Judaism is, alas, a religion that is, to a marked degree, all about harm to others. The Palestinians, who in any case are identified by many Judeocrazies as Amalek, therefore sentenced by God Himself to extermination, are just the latest in a long line of victims of Judaic rage. Whether the Canaanites, Midianites, Moabites, Jebusites, Philistines, or the first born in Egypt, or the 75,ooo odd 'followers' of Haman in Persia, they've all been slaughtered with religious zeal. Not to forget that the Jews have themselves been the victims of the murderous impulses of others, too. Isn't it about time the Jews treated their neighbours as humans, and had that treatment fully reciprocated? I see our favourite golem, mebosa has been joined by a new one, naro (as in -minded, clearly). mebosa seems to luxuriate in the greed indices of the Israeli stockmarket. Pretty hard making a quid I guess, when all you have to rely on is your self-confessed magnificence in all things, and several billion in tribute from the US every year, and the misappropriated gelt of thousands of Madoffs throughout the world. Not to forget the slightly shadier earnings from organised crime, arms, drug and human trafficking, blood diamonds etc, etc. I suppose mebosa’s smug triumphalism is partly genuine, the love of money being the root of all evil, and partly to excite a negative reaction from the ‘Jew-haters’ who she sees everywhere. It’s an old Zionist parlour-game-act like a prat, and if you annoy someone enough that they make a disparaging comment, start screeching ‘anti-Semite’. Naro appears to be a standard Zionist supremacist, where the superiority of the Jews and the greater value of their lives, history and mythologies is, well, it’s an article of faith, by definition. Of course, for the 99.85% of the planet’s population not lucky enough to have had an entire Universe created to their glory, these delusions are tolerable, so long as they do not harm others. But, of course, Judaism is, alas, a religion that is, to a marked degree, all about harm to others. The Palestinians, who in any case are identified by many Judeocrazies as Amalek, therefore sentenced by God Himself to extermination, are just the latest in a long line of victims of Judaic rage. Whether the Canaanites, Midianites, Moabites, Jebusites, Philistines, or the first born in Egypt, or the 75,ooo odd ‘followers’ of Haman in Persia, they’ve all been slaughtered with religious zeal. Not to forget that the Jews have themselves been the victims of the murderous impulses of others, too. Isn’t it about time the Jews treated their neighbours as humans, and had that treatment fully reciprocated?

]]> By: Suthiano http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50266 Suthiano Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:41:43 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50266 "Jews throughout the world have maintained their relationship with the land of Israel for two thousand years." Even if that were "true" it wouldn't be meaningful. Both Christians and (for slightly shorter period) Muslims have done the same. Does this not mean these groups have right to land in "Israel"? If the connection was maintained so strongly, how come Jews lost Hebrew and instead spoke Germanic language (Yiddish)? Naro, this was written in 1917 by Lord Montague, a Jewish Englishman, as a response to the Balfour Declaration: "Zionism has always seemed to me to be a mischievous political creed, untenable by any patriotic citizen of the United Kingdom. If a Jewish Englishman sets his eyes on the Mount of Olives and longs for the day when he will shake British soil from his shoes and go back to agricultural pursuits in Palestine, he has always seemed to me to have acknowledged aims inconsistent with British citizenship and to have admitted that he is unfit for a share in public life in Great Britain, or to be treated as an Englishman. I lay down with emphasis four principles: 1. I assert that there is not a Jewish nation. The members of my family, for instance, who have been in this country for generations, have no sort or kind of community of view or of desire with any Jewish family in any other country beyond the fact that they profess to a greater or less degree the same religion. It is no more true to say that a Jewish Englishman and a Jewish Moor are of the same nation than it is to say that a Christian Englishman and a Christian Frenchman are of the same nation: of the same race, perhaps, traced back through the centuries - through centuries of the history of a peculiarly adaptable race. The Prime Minister and M. Briand are, I suppose, related through the ages, one as a Welshman and the other as a Breton, but they certainly do not belong to the same nation. 2. When the Jews are told that Palestine is their national home, every country will immediately desire to get rid of its Jewish citizens, and you will find a population in Palestine driving out its present inhabitants, taking all the best in the country, drawn from all quarters of the globe, speaking every language on the face of the earth, and incapable of communicating with one another except by means of an interpreter. I have always understood that this was the consequence of the building of the Tower of Babel, if ever it was built, and I certainly do not dissent from the view, commonly held, as I have always understood, by the Jews before Zionism was invented, that to bring the Jews back to form a nation in the country from which they were dispersed would require Divine leadership. I have never heard it suggested, even by their most fervent admirers, that either Mr. Balfour or Lord Rothschild would prove to be the Messiah. I claim that the lives that British Jews have led, that the aims that they have had before them, that the part that they have played in our public life and our public institutions, have entitled them to be regarded, not as British Jews, but as Jewish Britons. I would willingly disfranchise every Zionist. I would be almost tempted to proscribe the Zionist organisation as illegal and against the national interest. But I would ask of a British Government sufficient tolerance to refuse a conclusion which makes aliens and foreigners by implication, if not at once by law, of all their Jewish fellow-citizens. 3. I deny that Palestine is to-day associated with the Jews or properly to be regarded as a fit place for them to live in. The Ten Commandments were delivered to the Jews on Sinai. It is quite true that Palestine plays a large part in Jewish history, but so it does in modern Mahommendan history, and, after the time of the Jews, surely it plays a larger part than any other country in Christian history. The Temple may have been in Palestine, but so was the Sermon on the Mount and the Crucifixion. I would not deny to Jews in Palestine equal rights to colonisation with those who profess other religions, but a religious test of citizenship seems to me to be the only admitted by those who take a bigoted and narrow view of one particular epoch of the history of Palestine, and claim for the Jews a position to which they are not entitled. If my memory serves me right, there are three times as many Jews in the world as could possible get into Palestine if you drove out all the population that remains there now. So that only one-third will get back at the most, and what will happen to the remainder?..." Read it all at (http://www.counterpunch.org/montague11112006.html) then come with an intelligent response, or we'll know you're just mebosa, laser or some other troll. “Jews throughout the world have maintained their relationship with the land of Israel for two thousand years.”

Even if that were “true” it wouldn’t be meaningful. Both Christians and (for slightly shorter period) Muslims have done the same. Does this not mean these groups have right to land in “Israel”?

If the connection was maintained so strongly, how come Jews lost Hebrew and instead spoke Germanic language (Yiddish)?

Naro, this was written in 1917 by Lord Montague, a Jewish Englishman, as a response to the Balfour Declaration:

“Zionism has always seemed to me to be a mischievous political creed, untenable by any patriotic citizen of the United Kingdom. If a Jewish Englishman sets his eyes on the Mount of Olives and longs for the day when he will shake British soil from his shoes and go back to agricultural pursuits in Palestine, he has always seemed to me to have acknowledged aims inconsistent with British citizenship and to have admitted that he is unfit for a share in public life in Great Britain, or to be treated as an Englishman.

I lay down with emphasis four principles:

1. I assert that there is not a Jewish nation. The members of my
family, for instance, who have been in this country for
generations, have no sort or kind of community of view or of
desire with any Jewish family in any other country beyond the fact
that they profess to a greater or less degree the same religion.
It is no more true to say that a Jewish Englishman and a Jewish
Moor are of the same nation than it is to say that a Christian
Englishman and a Christian Frenchman are of the same nation: of
the same race, perhaps, traced back through the centuries -
through centuries of the history of a peculiarly adaptable race.
The Prime Minister and M. Briand are, I suppose, related through
the ages, one as a Welshman and the other as a Breton, but they
certainly do not belong to the same nation.

2. When the Jews are told that Palestine is their national home,
every country will immediately desire to get rid of its Jewish
citizens, and you will find a population in Palestine driving out
its present inhabitants, taking all the best in the country, drawn
from all quarters of the globe, speaking every language on the
face of the earth, and incapable of communicating with one another
except by means of an interpreter. I have always understood that
this was the consequence of the building of the Tower of Babel, if
ever it was built, and I certainly do not dissent from the view,
commonly held, as I have always understood, by the Jews before
Zionism was invented, that to bring the Jews back to form a nation
in the country from which they were dispersed would require Divine
leadership. I have never heard it suggested, even by their most
fervent admirers, that either Mr. Balfour or Lord Rothschild would
prove to be the Messiah.

I claim that the lives that British Jews have led, that the aims
that they have had before them, that the part that they have
played in our public life and our public institutions, have
entitled them to be regarded, not as British Jews, but as Jewish
Britons. I would willingly disfranchise every Zionist. I would be
almost tempted to proscribe the Zionist organisation as illegal
and against the national interest. But I would ask of a British
Government sufficient tolerance to refuse a conclusion which makes
aliens and foreigners by implication, if not at once by law, of
all their Jewish fellow-citizens.

3. I deny that Palestine is to-day associated with the Jews or
properly to be regarded as a fit place for them to live in. The
Ten Commandments were delivered to the Jews on Sinai. It is quite
true that Palestine plays a large part in Jewish history, but so
it does in modern Mahommendan history, and, after the time of the
Jews, surely it plays a larger part than any other country in
Christian history. The Temple may have been in Palestine, but so
was the Sermon on the Mount and the Crucifixion. I would not deny
to Jews in Palestine equal rights to colonisation with those who
profess other religions, but a religious test of citizenship seems
to me to be the only admitted by those who take a bigoted and
narrow view of one particular epoch of the history of Palestine,
and claim for the Jews a position to which they are not entitled.

If my memory serves me right, there are three times as many Jews
in the world as could possible get into Palestine if you drove out
all the population that remains there now. So that only one-third
will get back at the most, and what will happen to the remainder?…”

Read it all at (http://www.counterpunch.org/montague11112006.html) then come with an intelligent response, or we’ll know you’re just mebosa, laser or some other troll.

]]> By: mebosa ritchie http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50264 mebosa ritchie Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:30:58 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50264 GOOD NEWS FROM ISRAEL-THE JEWISH STATE The TA-25 Index climbed for a sixth day, the longest winning streak in more than two months, increasing 3.57, or 0.4 percent, to 893.13 at the close in Tel Aviv. Investors traded about NIS 2.35 billion in shares and convertible securities. BioLine Rx advanced 4.6%. The drug developer has completed a Phase I/II clinical trial of its BL-1040 heart device; 27 patients who had suffered acute myocardial infarction were successfully treated at nine sites in Germany and Belgium. Clal Finance rose 2.9%. The investment company owned by Nochi Dankner has named Tal Raz as its new chief executive officer. Delek Drilling fell 8%, Avner Oil & Gas declined 6%, and Isramco Negev 2 lost 4.5%. Clal Finance Brokerage lowered its ratings on the exploration companies that have a stake in a gas prospect off Israel's coast. Kamada rose 7.1%. The biopharmaceutical company said its manufacturing plant and laboratories have passed a quality inspection by the Mexican Ministry of Health. GOOD NEWS FROM ISRAEL-THE JEWISH STATE

The TA-25 Index climbed for a sixth day, the longest winning streak in more than two months, increasing 3.57, or 0.4 percent, to 893.13 at the close in Tel Aviv. Investors traded about NIS 2.35 billion in shares and convertible securities.

BioLine Rx advanced 4.6%. The drug developer has completed a Phase I/II clinical trial of its BL-1040 heart device; 27 patients who had suffered acute myocardial infarction were successfully treated at nine sites in Germany and Belgium.

Clal Finance rose 2.9%. The investment company owned by Nochi Dankner has named Tal Raz as its new chief executive officer.

Delek Drilling fell 8%, Avner Oil & Gas declined 6%, and Isramco Negev 2 lost 4.5%. Clal Finance Brokerage lowered its ratings on the exploration companies that have a stake in a gas prospect off Israel’s coast.

Kamada rose 7.1%. The biopharmaceutical company said its manufacturing plant and laboratories have passed a quality inspection by the Mexican Ministry of Health.

]]> By: naro http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50263 naro Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:28:29 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50263 Jews throughout the world have maintained their relationship with the land of Israel for two thousand years. Judaism is based on the return to Israel after the exile. The Jews remained Israelis for two thousand years throughout the world. Arabs in Palestine have stolen the Jewish land after the exile by the Romans. Some Arabs in Palestine no doubt were of Jewish ancestry and were forcefully converted to Islam in the past. There has been a continuous Jewish presence in Israel for two thousand years. Most jews in Israel are of Middle Eastern extraction. Refugees from Arab and Islamic lands. Arabs have Arabized the names of many Biblical Jewish sites, which have now been returned to their original Hebrew names. Jews throughout the world have maintained their relationship with the land of Israel for two thousand years. Judaism is based on the return to Israel after the exile. The Jews remained Israelis for two thousand years throughout the world. Arabs in Palestine have stolen the Jewish land after the exile by the Romans.
Some Arabs in Palestine no doubt were of Jewish ancestry and were forcefully converted to Islam in the past. There has been a continuous Jewish presence in Israel for two thousand years.
Most jews in Israel are of Middle Eastern extraction. Refugees from Arab and Islamic lands.

Arabs have Arabized the names of many Biblical Jewish sites, which have now been returned to their original Hebrew names.

]]> By: B99 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50259 B99 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:11:49 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50259 Naro - Ancestral Palestinians lived in Palestine when the Hebrews arrived from elsewhere, when the Jews departed for elsewhere, and when the Zionists shipped in last century. Thus, even if you can make the case that it was the ancestral homeland of Jews - it has been continuously inhabited by Palestinians since the neolithic period (and likely before). The Romans did not destroy Palestine, nor did the Arabs steal it -no more than did Native-Americans steal this continent. As the article explains the Jews have no where sufficient Hebrew names for everything - so they have to Hebraicize Arabic names (the Arabs having named everything), or use names from non-Hebrew ancient cultures like the Philistines and Canaanites - both of whom are Palestinian ancestors. Al-Quds has been the name of the city and the DISTRICT since Arabic became the language of the land. Nothing to do with Arafat. And remember, if you are pro-native, that means you are pro-Indian AND pro-Canaanite - the indigenous people. Naro – Ancestral Palestinians lived in Palestine when the Hebrews arrived from elsewhere, when the Jews departed for elsewhere, and when the Zionists shipped in last century. Thus, even if you can make the case that it was the ancestral homeland of Jews – it has been continuously inhabited by Palestinians since the neolithic period (and likely before). The Romans did not destroy Palestine, nor did the Arabs steal it -no more than did Native-Americans steal this continent. As the article explains the Jews have no where sufficient Hebrew names for everything – so they have to Hebraicize Arabic names (the Arabs having named everything), or use names from non-Hebrew ancient cultures like the Philistines and Canaanites – both of whom are Palestinian ancestors.
Al-Quds has been the name of the city and the DISTRICT since Arabic became the language of the land. Nothing to do with Arafat.

And remember, if you are pro-native, that means you are pro-Indian AND pro-Canaanite – the indigenous people.

]]> By: kalidas http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50250 kalidas Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:55:15 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50250 There you go again... Mistaking Palestine for PALEestine. For example, changing ones name from an obviously Polish name like David Gruen to David Ben-Gurion does not a Hebrew make. Not even if you close your eyes and wish real hard. The vast majority of "Israeli Jews" are indigenous to Poland, Russia and N.Y.C. and I'm pretty sure the indigenous Palestinians would like very much for them to "go home." There you go again…
Mistaking Palestine for PALEestine.

For example, changing ones name from an obviously Polish name like David Gruen to David Ben-Gurion does not a Hebrew make.
Not even if you close your eyes and wish real hard.

The vast majority of “Israeli Jews” are indigenous to Poland, Russia and N.Y.C. and I’m pretty sure the indigenous Palestinians would like very much for them to “go home.”

]]> By: naro http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50220 naro Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:41:56 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50220 Israel is all about returning of the Jewish people to its ancestral homeland of Israel. The land was destroyed by the Romans and stolen by the Arabs. Israel has reestablished its ancient cities and villages, and will name every city by its historical Hebrew name. The Jews are the indigenous people of Israel, and I would be happy for the American Indians to reclaim their American lands and name their towns, villages, rivers and mountains by their historical native names. Al Qud is a recent Arafat's politically inspired idiotic name for Yerushalaim. Such idiotic media manipulations will not be tolerated. Long Live Israel Forever! Israel is all about returning of the Jewish people to its ancestral homeland of Israel. The land was destroyed by the Romans and stolen by the Arabs. Israel has reestablished its ancient cities and villages, and will name every city by its historical Hebrew name.
The Jews are the indigenous people of Israel, and I would be happy for the American Indians to reclaim their American lands and name their towns, villages, rivers and mountains by their historical native names.
Al Qud is a recent Arafat’s politically inspired idiotic name for Yerushalaim. Such idiotic media manipulations will not be tolerated.
Long Live Israel Forever!

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50140 bozh Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:24:46 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50140 b99, yes, that's the point and, to boot, even the best ever 'offer' by US/isr wld ensure that pals cannot but reject it. and, to boot, the worst ever diktat had already been issued. All that is left to decide is, when two sides meet, which side wld use which washroom and other such weightymatters. tnx b99, yes, that’s the point
and, to boot, even the best ever ‘offer’ by US/isr wld ensure that pals cannot but reject it.
and, to boot, the worst ever diktat had already been issued. All that is left to decide is, when two sides meet, which side wld use which washroom and other such weightymatters. tnx

]]> By: B99 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50139 B99 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:11:09 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50139 Norris - Actually, even calling for the recognition of Israel as a pre-condition of negotiations is a wrench in the works designed to forestall said negotiations. Negotiations are themselves defacto recognition - and no state has ever brought up such a silly notion - never mind insisted on it as a pre-condition. For the Palestinians, it means accepting the humilation of their expulsion from their own country - it is to rub their noses in their own ethnic cleansing by the very people who carried it out. And to add 'recognition as the Jewish state' is to insure the Palestinians will not do so. There is some shit a self-respecting people will not eat. Norris – Actually, even calling for the recognition of Israel as a pre-condition of negotiations is a wrench in the works designed to forestall said negotiations. Negotiations are themselves defacto recognition – and no state has ever brought up such a silly notion – never mind insisted on it as a pre-condition. For the Palestinians, it means accepting the humilation of their expulsion from their own country – it is to rub their noses in their own ethnic cleansing by the very people who carried it out. And to add ‘recognition as the Jewish state’ is to insure the Palestinians will not do so. There is some shit a self-respecting people will not eat.

]]> By: Norris Hall http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50108 Norris Hall Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:40:10 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50108 I see no problem in recognizing Israel as a state. But a Jewish state? What’s that all about? Obama has not choice but to oppose any attempts to promote a religious state. Blacks fought long and hard so they could sit at the front of the bus and eat in “whites only” lunch counters, It would be hypocritical to turn around and support the efforts to ethnically purify Israel Israels attempt to create a Jewish state sounds no different than the Chinese attempts to populate remote areas of their country with Han ethnic people to the exclusion of ethnic minorities. or the southern whites with their “whites only” policy In Arab countries like Saudi Arabia being a Muslim nation has led to a marginalization of people of other religions and bans on religious freedoms The United States should always stick up for religious and ethnic equality. It should not support an Israeli government whose goals are to seek advantages for particular race or religion . I see no problem in recognizing Israel as a state. But a Jewish state?
What’s that all about?

Obama has not choice but to oppose any attempts to promote a religious state.
Blacks fought long and hard so they could sit at the front of the bus and eat in “whites only” lunch counters, It would be hypocritical to turn around and support the efforts to ethnically purify Israel

Israels attempt to create a Jewish state sounds no different than the Chinese attempts to populate remote areas of their country with Han ethnic people to the exclusion of ethnic minorities. or the southern whites with their “whites only” policy

In Arab countries like Saudi Arabia being a Muslim nation has led to a marginalization of people of other religions and bans on religious freedoms

The United States should always stick up for religious and ethnic equality. It should not support an Israeli government whose goals are to seek advantages for particular race or religion .

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50057 bozh Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:13:44 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50057 the 'fatherely advice to pals to leave israel or palestine and "go back from where you came" utterly failed. i do not know if this phenomenon can be compared with chechens return from exile to their land in chechnya. pals deed apears monumental and great help to other oppressed/captured people. down with "jewishness"; it being just another supremacism! the ‘fatherely advice to pals to leave israel or palestine and “go back from where you came” utterly failed.
i do not know if this phenomenon can be compared with chechens return from exile to their land in chechnya.
pals deed apears monumental and great help to other oppressed/captured people.
down with “jewishness”; it being just another supremacism!

]]> By: B99 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50053 B99 Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:49:02 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50053 David - All you say is true - if a tad overstated. But it is not certain that Israel is doomed, not as long as those who are fierce in their belief in it have considerable power in and over the US. Of course, as the US superpower status wanes, or as the need for a different relationship with other nations of the Middle East evolves, its supporters in Israel and the US may eventually be rendered moot. What I suspect will happen is the long-term continuance of the Israeli-state but much modified - perhaps like South Africa where minority whites continue to dominate the economy even as the majority blacks dominate governance. Israel will officially be the state of all its citizens, but as we all know, there is plenty of room for racism in that formula. David – All you say is true – if a tad overstated. But it is not certain that Israel is doomed, not as long as those who are fierce in their belief in it have considerable power in and over the US. Of course, as the US superpower status wanes, or as the need for a different relationship with other nations of the Middle East evolves, its supporters in Israel and the US may eventually be rendered moot. What I suspect will happen is the long-term continuance of the Israeli-state but much modified – perhaps like South Africa where minority whites continue to dominate the economy even as the majority blacks dominate governance. Israel will officially be the state of all its citizens, but as we all know, there is plenty of room for racism in that formula.

]]> By: john andrews http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50046 john andrews Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:55:20 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50046 yuyu, This stuff is not new. Two and a half years ago a friend of mine who was working in Palestine with the International Women's Peace Service wrote that the zionists were destroying road signs to Palestinian villages back then. yuyu,

This stuff is not new.

Two and a half years ago a friend of mine who was working in Palestine with the International Women’s Peace Service wrote that the zionists were destroying road signs to Palestinian villages back then.

]]> By: David http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50038 David Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:14:31 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50038 More proof that the zionist project in Palestine/Canaan is falling apart. Its adherents are becoming increasingly panic stricken. Suddenly, in the space of about one decade, Israel has become a pariah, the world's most detested state. Jewish emigration from Israel is soaring (seeing the handwriting on the wall, about one million have fled) while immigration is less than a trickle. Meanwhile, the native Palestinian/Canaanite population is increasing day by day and now outnumbers Jews between the Jordan Rive and the Med. Sea. Simply put, Israel is doomed. It could only be thus. Such is the fate of an historical anachronism, a nineteenth century settler colonialist state. How much better we will all be, including Jews everywhere, when the zionist enterprise implodes and becomes a footnote in history. More proof that the zionist project in Palestine/Canaan is falling apart.
Its adherents are becoming increasingly panic stricken. Suddenly, in the space of about one decade, Israel has become a pariah, the world’s most detested state. Jewish emigration from Israel is soaring (seeing the handwriting on the wall, about one million have fled) while immigration is less than a trickle. Meanwhile, the native Palestinian/Canaanite population is increasing day by day and now outnumbers Jews between the Jordan Rive and the Med. Sea. Simply put, Israel is doomed. It could only be thus. Such is the fate of an historical anachronism, a nineteenth century settler colonialist state. How much better we will all be, including Jews everywhere, when the zionist enterprise implodes and becomes a footnote in history.

]]> By: Danny Ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50028 Danny Ray Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:46:15 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50028 forgive me bozh, I am sometimes confused in here It appears that you and I are the only two with humor. forgive me bozh, I am sometimes confused in here It appears that you and I are the only two with humor.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50026 bozh Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:10:00 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50026 ray, yes, i was aware of that. But i wanted to poke fun at the extreme and newest 'jewish' 'jewishness'. by the way i canpoke fun at 'jews' bcause i am 000000001% 'jewish' yes, i also knew that california was named and owned by spain. All that in spite of finishing last in my class, having devil of my own, etc. poor devil nobody likes her. I am the only one who loves her. And she loves to teach me. She knows so much because gods, not speaking to one another, only have the devil to talk to! And, guess what? Being a female, she blabs. OOPS OOOPS, erase the "female". tnx ray,
yes, i was aware of that. But i wanted to poke fun at the extreme and newest ‘jewish’ ‘jewishness’.
by the way i canpoke fun at ‘jews’ bcause i am 000000001% ‘jewish’
yes, i also knew that california was named and owned by spain. All that in spite of finishing last in my class, having devil of my own, etc.

poor devil nobody likes her. I am the only one who loves her. And she loves to teach me. She knows so much because gods, not speaking to one another, only have the devil to talk to! And, guess what? Being a female, she blabs. OOPS OOOPS, erase the “female”. tnx

]]> By: Danny Ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50019 Danny Ray Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:15:54 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50019 Bozh, The reason we do not change indian names to english names is that the indians ( I know I Know, Native american) are gone they are no longer a threat, we can afford to be generous. now that there is no one to owe. BTW California was a spanish place name. Bozh,

The reason we do not change indian names to english names is that the indians ( I know I Know, Native american) are gone they are no longer a threat, we can afford to be generous. now that there is no one to owe. BTW California was a spanish place name.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-50013 bozh Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:52:04 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-50013 i wonder why americans haven't changed "cherokee" into cheeryoak? chicago into chickegg; seattle into seetell; california, callformia; tennesese ten eye see, etc. tnx i wonder why americans haven’t changed “cherokee” into cheeryoak?
chicago into chickegg; seattle into seetell; california, callformia;
tennesese ten eye see, etc. tnx

]]> By: B99 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/israel%e2%80%99s-plan-to-wipe-arabic-names-off-the-map/#comment-49992 B99 Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:27:52 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9197#comment-49992 Yuyu - It is certainly essential to know where the Israeli navy is at all times. But the article shows how thoroughly racist Israeli society has become. There was a time when Israeli Jews put up the pretense (and some Israelis were genuine) of a multi-ethnic society. It is this Israel they would show the world. But there was also another theme, one that Zionists brought with them from Europe - that of ultranationalist racism. A major propaganda victory in the effort to cleanse Palestine of all traces of people other than Jews was the renaming of all Arab (and pre-Arab) places. Since that initial effort, there has been a low-level stream of racial nomenclature since then. And today it has once again fully resurfaced. So place name changing is about ethnic cleansing - and that is very important - and not unrelated to where Israel's navy is. Yuyu – It is certainly essential to know where the Israeli navy is at all times.

But the article shows how thoroughly racist Israeli society has become. There was a time when Israeli Jews put up the pretense (and some Israelis were genuine) of a multi-ethnic society. It is this Israel they would show the world. But there was also another theme, one that Zionists brought with them from Europe – that of ultranationalist racism. A major propaganda victory in the effort to cleanse Palestine of all traces of people other than Jews was the renaming of all Arab (and pre-Arab) places. Since that initial effort, there has been a low-level stream of racial nomenclature since then. And today it has once again fully resurfaced. So place name changing is about ethnic cleansing – and that is very important – and not unrelated to where Israel’s navy is.

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