Dangerous Untreated West Bank Wastewater

B’Tselem is the Jerusalem-based independent Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories (OPT) with a well-deserved reputation for accuracy and integrity. It was founded in 1989 to “document and educate the Israeli public, policymakers (and concerned people everywhere) about human rights violations in the OPT, combat the phenomenon of denial prevalent among the Israeli public (and elsewhere, especially among Jews), and create a human rights culture in Israel” to convince government officials to respect human rights and comply with international law.

It conducts wide-ranging, carefully researched, and thoroughly cross-checked reports, most recently its June one titled, “Foul Play: Neglect of wastewater treatment in the West Bank.” This article discusses its findings as further evidence of how Israel violates international humanitarian law as an occupying power. Because no global authority holds it accountable, over 2.8 million West Bank Palestinians suffer along with another 1.5 million under siege in Gaza for over two years and counting.

Introduction

Human activity produces wastewater for which treatment is essential “to prevent and reduce sanitation and environmental hazards” that otherwise would result — from dangerous viruses, bacteria, parasites, heavy metals, and other toxic substances that pollute water, farm crops, flora, and fauna, and reduce land fertility.

Israeli West Bank and Jerusalem settlements produce about 91 million cubic meters of wastewater annually, more than double the amount from Palestinian communities. Yet most of it goes untreated. As an occupying power, international humanitarian law requires it be done, yet Israel violates its obligations across the board making Palestinians suffer grievously as a result.

Wastewater from Settlements and Jerusalem

Israel’s Civil Administration environmental protection staff officer, Benny Elbaz, told B’Tselem that (other than outpost wastewater) all of it from settlements gets “adequate” treatment, and raw effluent isn’t allowed to flow freely.

However, an August 2008 study refutes his assertion. Jointly conducted by the Nature and Parks Authority Environment Unit, the Ministry of Environmental Protection’s Water and Streams Department, and the Civil Administration, it showed that in 2007, only 81 of 121 West Bank settlements were connected to wastewater treatment facilities. Also, over half of treatment plants (38 of 74) are small facilities able to service only a few hundred families, way short of what’s needed.

In addition, to operate properly, plants need “round-the-clock maintenance,” but because the per-capita cost is high, “maintenance of most of the facilities is defective.” They experience frequent problems, sometimes shut down entirely, and can’t handle the volume channeled to them. As a result, “raw wastewater from settlements floods West Bank valleys,” Israel’s disclaimer notwithstanding.

In large settlements, built in the 1970s and 1980s, no wastewater is treated or facilities in place “have been neglected for decades.” Among them are:

  • Kirat Arba, founded in 1972; its wastewater flows into the Hebron stream that runs into Israel;
  • Ofra, founded in 1975; its sewage flows into the Mountain Aquifer and pollutes groundwater; in 2008, Israel began constructing a settlement treatment plant, but it’s being built on Palestinian land without Civil Administration approval;
  • Kfar Adumim, founded in 1979; instead of being treated, its wastewater is disposed of in cesspits cut into the ground for effluent disposal; from there, it pollutes land and groundwater; and
  • Bat Ayin, founded in 1989; it has a partial collection system, and residents dispose of their wastewater in cesspits.

Other settlements, like those below, experience frequent breakdowns that shut facilities for extended periods:

  • Ariel’s treatment plant was defective for a decade, then shut down in 2008; thereafter wastewater flowed into the Shilo stream, a major Yarkon River tributary;
  • Elqana’s treatment plant stopped operating; its wastewater flows into the Rava stream, another Yarkon tributary; renovation funding was allocated to make it operable by the end of 2009;
  • Qedumim’s two treatment plants ceased functioning in 2007; its wastewater flows into the Abu Jamus stream; in March 2008, one plant resumed operations;
  • Beit Ariyeh’s plant stopped functioning in 2008; its effluent flowed into the Shilo stream until renovations let it resume operations in January 2009;
  • Qedar, Ma’aleh Amos, Nokdim, Otni’el, Etz Ephraim, and Enav settlements dispose of their wastewater in septic tanks, “from which it seeps into the groundwater and pollutes it;” and
  • 25 Jordan Valley settlements’ wastewater is only partially treated in sedimentation basins and oxidation ponds, an outdated method not used inside Israel.

Overall, Israeli and independent studies show that settlements’ waterwater treatment inadequacies are long-standing and serious — confirmed by the Ministry of Environmental Protection saying that many settlements “do not have a proper solution to wastewater.” According to Yael Mason, the Industrial Wastewater and Polluted Lands Department director, some settlement plants “do not meet requisite standards and pollute both the Mountain Aquifer and streams.”

Conditions were as bad in 1998 when a Municipal Environmental Association of Judea survey found half the plants (where over 40,000 settlers lived), polluted the environment “to a great or moderate extent,” and only 13 plants (for 16,000 people) performed “to a reasonable extent.”

A 2002 Municipal Environmental Association of Samaria report (responsible for 100 settlements,) showed 14 left their wastewater untreated. Eleven others either didn’t treat it or only partially did for 25 years until the Kana stream conduit was completed in 2006.

Other reports document the same neglect, citing defective maintenance, no electrical connection, raw sewage seepage into groundwater, “usually primitive” factory wastewater treatment, and pollution caused by “cow pens.”

For over 40 years of occupation, “Israel has not built advanced regional wastewater treatment plants in the settlements to match those inside Israel” even though a 1983 master plan was formulated. After its cost was estimated to be $110 million, budgetary constraints stopped its implementation. The single recent facility addition began operating in 2006, servicing six settlements.

Under still in force Jordanian West Bank building and planning laws, provisions for treatment must be approved before proceeding. However, Israeli authorities ignore the requirement and allow building occupancies and industrial operations anyway. The Modi’in Illit settlement was approved even though raw sewage from 17,000 people flowed into the Modi’im stream, and construction was never completed for a Meitarim industrial area treatment plant.

Blurred authority between the Civil Administration and Ministry of Environmental Protection complicates the problem. The former ensures that building plans include treatment solutions, but enforcement power lies with the latter. From 2000-September 2008, it was used only 53 times for not treating wastewater. Most were warnings. Only four indictments were filed. By comparison, in 2006 alone, 230 enforcement measures were taken inside Israel, mostly warnings on suspected Water Law violations. In Israel, building plans are stopped until proper hook-up to wastewater treatment is in place. “Across the Green Line,” no similar action is taken.

Jerusalem’s Wastewater Channeled East

Since the 1940s, untreated wastewater has been channeled from West and East Jerusalem to the Kidron Basin in the city’s southeast. It flows into an open duct from where it moves over 30 kilometers into the Dead Sea.

A Horqaniya Valley diversion facility treats some of it for Jordan Valley settlements’ irrigation, while the rest flows freely into the Mountain Aquifer, “an area sensitive to pollution.” It creates dangerous sanitation and environmental hazards, including groundwater pollution. Yet it’s used as livestock drinking water and for Palestinian farmland irrigation, “despite the (considerable) health risk.”

Since the 1970s, remediation plans were proposed and rejected – according to Israel’s Jerusalem Municipality because of a lack of Palestinian Authority (PA) cooperation, not gotten because giving it would grant legitimacy to the settlements.

More recently, Jerusalem’s Ministry of Environmental Protection director warned Israeli officials about criminal responsibility for failure to address this growing problem. Only then were various treatment options suggested, including piping it from its origin through Abu Dis and Eizariya to the Og Reservoir facility to be expanded with added capacity. However, PA opposition over the “geopolitical situation” suspended the plan. Jerusalem’s District Planning and Building Committee scheduled discussion of alternative options, but nothing so far has materialized.

Despite inadequate solutions, Jerusalem’s population growth exacerbates the problem. For example, residents moved into the Pisgat Ze’ev settlement before a treatment facility was completed — in violation of by-law provisions that Jerusalem’s District Planning and Building Committee chose to ignore, either there or in other settlements.

Wastewater from Palestinian Communities

Only 20% of Palestinian homes are connected to sewage systems. Yet they’re outdated, often leak, can’t handle the volume, and thus spill into cesspits along with effluent from the other 80% of Palestinians. As a result, groundwater gets seriously contaminated because 90-95% of Palestinian sewage isn’t treated at all, and only one treatment plant for it is functioning.

Israeli neglect is the problem. In the early 1970s, it built four treatment facilities in Jenin, Tulkarm, Hebron and Ramallah, but their effectiveness has been “minimal to poor” and three of them no longer function. The one Ramallah operating one is small with inadequate capacity to handle the city’s wastewater. As a result, it’s barely treated.

The 1995 Israeli-Palestinian Interim (West Bank and Gaza) Agreement stipulated that both sides cooperate on taking “all necessary measures” to prevent water pollution or contamination. An Israeli-Palestinian Joint Water committee (JWC) was established with unanimity required for all decisions. Yet no dispute resolution mechanism exists so Israel can unilaterally approve or reject all water and wastewater treatment requests and it does. As a result, new facilities haven’t been built despite an urgent need for them.

Besides adequate funding, approval procedures are prolonged and complicated because of environmental and other considerations. In addition, Israel’s approval is needed, and a large land area (away from residential neighborhoods) is required for an initial facility with plenty of room for expansion.

Years elapse with no resolution, so today the Palestinian Water Authority says Israel is currently delaying or obstructing 140 water and wastewater projects. For example:

  • in 1996, a Tulkarm plan was submitted; yet it took until 2006 before the JWC agreed on an Area C location – under Israeli control on matters relating to land, planning and building; in December 2008, the Civil Administration’s International Organizations Desk chief recommended that “establishment of the facility in Area A (under Palestinian control) be examined, and that care be taken that it does not extend into Area C;” the project is now in jeopardy;
  • in 1997, the JWC received a West Nablus plan; the Civil Administration twice demanded a location change, and it took until May 2008 for construction permits to be issued, yet nothing so far has proceeded; another East Nablus proposal was cancelled because of delays in obtaining approval; and
  • in 1999, a West Ramallah proposal was submitted to the JWC; it was approved, but the Civil Administration demanded a location change because it was close to the Separation Wall’s planned route; a final plan has yet to be introduced for approval.

From 1996-1999, Israel required Palestinian facilities to treat settlements’ wastewater, way beyond their proposed capacity and something the PA won’t do because it would grant legitimacy to the settlements in violation of international law.

Israel creates other obstacles as well. In 2002, the Civil Administration required a proposed Hebron plant to meet advanced treatment standards, not demanded for settlement facilities or in Israel until 2005 under a plan for gradual implementation through 2015 because of the cost involved.

Israeli policy exploits the situation to its advantage. It treats some Palestinian wastewater flowing into Israel but charges the PA for doing it. Also ignored is a proper Palestinian water treatment solution and the contamination that results.

Consequences of Neglecting Wastewater Treatment in the West Bank

Settlers rely on Israel’s water supply system with no problems. Palestinians, however, suffer from pollution and a shortage of safe drinking water. Also, using wastewater for irrigation contaminates crops and endangers human health. Over time, land fertility is also diminished.

A 2002 UN Environmental Program report showed that raw sewage polluted West Bank Palestinian water sources. A 1998 Al-Quds University study of the Jordan Valley, Nablus, Jenin and Tulkarm found one-third of samples with higher than WHO recommended nitrate levels. A 1999 Bethlehem University investigation showed over 99% of 400 spring water samples with high concentrations of coliform bacteria requiring removal before use. Later studies revealed similar problems — exacerbated because most settlements are on ridges and hilltops so their wastewater flows down to nearby Palestinian communities. The problem is extremely serious.

Three years ago it was exacerbated when the Elon Moreh settlement facility broke down causing wastewater to flow toward nearby Palestinian villages. Elon Moreh processed very toxic effluent from leather and meat-processing plants containing extremely high acidity levels able to cause burns on contact. Lab analysis confirmed “a grave sanitation risk to humans and animals (likely to) cause loss of life (and an) environmental and health disaster.”

The wastewater destroyed crops and olive trees for up to 30 meters on either side of its channel. Azmut farmers couldn’t sell their contaminated crops, and a severe mosquito problem and powerful stench caused allergies, dizziness and headaches among nearby village residents. A woman called life their “terrible…as if we’re living in a swamp. We can’t even eat our food.”

Other villages were also affected the same way. In 2008, B’Tselem demanded that action be taken to stop this. Only then did the Municipal Environmental Association of Samaria take any remediation measures that diminished but didn’t eliminate the problem.

Similar conditions exist throughout West Bank areas, exacerbated by growing settler populations and scant attention to Palestinian needs and welfare. Ariel is one of the largest settlements, yet its facility experiences frequent breakdowns. In 2006, the Ministry of Health reported that it was non-functional, and in 2008, the Civil Administration’s environmental protection officer told B’Tselem that the “facility can’t handle the load.”

It stopped operating the same year, and ever since, raw sewage has flowed into the Shilo stream, a tributary of the Yarkon River, then southwest toward the town of Salfit and west to Brukin and Kafr a-Dik villages. Despite its best efforts, Salfit Local Council member, Dr. Bassam Madi, said infectious diseases occur as well as damaged crops, livestock, and the virtual extinction of deer, rabbits and foxes once common to the area. Natural vegetation like hyssop also disappeared.

Until 2004, the Ministry of Environmental Protection turned a blind eye to the situation. It then merely warned of a Water Law violation. Enforcement measures were frozen after agreement was reached to build a collection pipeline to move Ariel’s wastewater to the Dan Bloc Wastewater Treatment Plant in Israel. Its estimated completion date is 2011, but so far no financing has been arranged, and the pipeline’s planner said the project “would take years” once final approval is gotten.

Wadi Fukin village is gravely harmed by Betar Illit settlement wastewater. About 20 meters above its fields, the Housing Ministry built a facility that directs effluent to the Soreq treatment site. Frequent breakdowns occur because a growing settlement population overtaxes the facility causing spillage into Wadi Fukin fields, including ones near the village center that produce a severe stench.

A Bethlehem University study showed that test samples from nine adjacent springs contained coliform bacteria concentrations and high nitrate levels. It concluded that the water was unfit to drink. Betar Illit settlement assumes no responsibility for the problem, and until mid-2008, did nothing minimally to address it. It remains a major problem

Israeli Breaches of International Law

Israel is a serial offender, including repeated violations of its obligations as an occupying power. Its failure to address wastewater issues is one of many examples, and B’Tselem puts it this way:

Neglect in treating wastewater in the West Bank infringes the rights of Palestinians to (clean) water and sanitation and their right to gain a livelihood from their agricultural crops.

Fourth Geneva’s Article 56 requires an occupier to “ensur(e) and (maintain), with the cooperation of national and local authorities…public and hygiene in the occupied territory, with particular reference to the adoption and application of the prophylactic and preventive measures necessary to combat the spread of contagious diseases and epidemics.”

Israel is obligated to assure safe water sources to ensure “public order and safety” and protect the population from harm. The High Court of Justice interprets this to mean a duty to take “all means necessary to ensure growth, change and development (and do what’s essential through) investments and carrying out long-term plans for the benefit of the local population (even if they remain in place) after the military government ends.” The Court also held that this duty “applies to the varied living requirements of the inhabitants, including medical needs, sanitation…and other needs that people require in modern society.”

In 1966 for the first time, the UN’s Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) defined clean drinking water as a right, given that it’s essential to life, health and well-being. So do other UN Conventions, including the 1981 Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women and the 1989 Convention on the Rights of the Child.

In 2006, the UN Sub-Commission on the Promotion of Human Rights adopted CESCR recommendations for safe drinking water and sanitation. They require nations to prevent water pollution and assure that all persons have the “right to access adequate and safe sanitation that protects public health and the environment.” UNICEF also calls access a “basic human right” to assure health and human dignity. The UN 2000 Millennium Declaration affirmed a goal of halving by 2015 the world population without these fundamental essentials, and a UN Human Rights Council 2008 resolution, among others, included the same declaration.

Conclusions and Recommendations

Of the West Bank’s 2.8 million Palestinians, wastewater for over two million of them goes untreated, the result of Israel’s willful neglect in violation of international humanitarian law and its obligation as an occupier. As a result, the Nature and Parks authority warns that “sooner or later, critical damage will be caused to Israeli and Palestinian water sources.”

The Palestinian Applied Research Institute Jerusalem calls neglect “a grave environmental threat,” and a UN Environmental Program delegation said “urgent action” is needed to address the problem. Israel remains unresponsive to a worrisome situation, and its growing settlement population exacerbates it.

It’s essential for a joint Israeli-Palestinian initiative to address it responsibly, but Israel must take the lead. B’Tselem puts it this way:

So long as Israel is an occupying power and its “settlements remain, all their wastewater (and that of Palestinians) must be treated in accordance with treatment standards (applied) inside Israel, and the law must (strictly) be enforced against polluting settlements.” In cooperation with each other, remediation projects must be undertaken to serve both sides, and “ultimately…Palestinians, if the settlements are evacuated,” as international law so states.

Stephen Lendman wrote How Wall Street Fleeces America: Privatized Banking, Government Collusion and Class War. Contact him at: lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net. Also visit his blog site and listen to The Global Research News Hour on RepublicBroadcasting.org Mondays from 11AM-1PM US Central time for cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests. All programs are archived for easy listening. Read other articles by Stephen.

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  1. Yaakov Sullivan said on July 18th, 2009 at 7:56am #

    I know water in Gaza stinks. Even when I took a shower in Gaza I smelled urine. This condition must end. Palestinian children decerve to drink a pure water not Coca Cola

  2. mary said on July 19th, 2009 at 8:10am #

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOTQK6RRMKE

    Untreated sewage flowing downhill into Palestinian homes in Jalazone/Beit Il or what’s left of them.

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1173879186125

    An account of a collapse of a cesspool wall in Gaza . Shocking and shameful.

    Thanks Stephen Lendman for the article and I look forward to hearing you speak on Global Research Radio with Cynthia McKinney tomorrow.
    Please give her my regards. She was on the same boat that was rammed as my brother David Halpin and is a brave and courageous woman with so much energy.

  3. mary said on July 19th, 2009 at 8:13am #

    This message has just come in from Greta Berlin, Free Gaza org.

    These seven photos from the BBC clearly show why the Free Gaza movement will continue to send boats. The Palestinians of Gaza do not want handouts from the world. They want their freedom and they want the right to rebuild their shattered economy, shattered because Israel bombed them into the 18th century with the help of American money and support.

    This “Silence of Shame” from the Americans, all of us, constitutes a willingness to participate in Israeli war crimes. It is up to us to contact our representatives, the President of the U.S., and our media to express our outrage over the slow-motion genocide of 1.5 million civilians in Gaza, enabled because we pay for it.

    The world is beginning to see what Israel does. Supporting our voyages means that Palestinians in Gaza will have a route to the outside world that is not controlled by Israel or by their proxy, Egypt. It means they don’t have to pay Israel or Egypt for supplies coming in, and they can export strawberries and flowers the way they once did, before Israel cruelly took everything away from them.

    Sixty-one years of being refugees; forty-one years of depending on the international community… when will we say NO MORE to Israel.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8154275.stm

  4. B99 said on July 19th, 2009 at 2:10pm #

    I began a study in 1993 of water in Palestine/Israel – the study originating in one line or two of the subject in Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle. The water problems are myriad – but relating to this article above – and as Mary alludes to – Jewish settlements are almost always built on the highlands, the hill tops. Commonly, waste is flushed into a sewage stream that travels down to the Palestinian villages below. It is foul and criminal.

  5. Daniel said on July 19th, 2009 at 6:32pm #

    I see you didn’t add my previous comment. Guess this is not a discussion. This is a propaganda site. If you will not allow a “dissident” voice on your “dissident” blog then this is a one sided stroke-yourself party. Too bad.

  6. jon s said on July 19th, 2009 at 10:11pm #

    Let’s not forget that the Hamas bear much of the blame for the situation in Gaza – firing rockets at Israel’s civilian population, the abduction- and subsequent inhuman treatment – of Cpl. Gilad Shalit. All this – after any occupation in Gaza had ended. I note that the photos from Gaza were taken by the Red Cross. The Red Cross is denied access to Gilad Shalit.
    As to the settlements – I share your indignation . All the settlements will have to be dismantled so that the the two-state solution to the conflict can be implemented.

  7. mary said on July 20th, 2009 at 1:07am #

    Just to counter that slanted reply with some facts.

    The Red Cross were denied access to Gaza during Operation Cast Lead.

    They reported on the ongoing humanitarian crisis there.
    1.5 million people trapped in despair.

    The Israelis broke the long lasting truce by carrying out an incursion into Gaza in November 2008 and what was Cpl Shalit doing on behalf of the occupiers in June 2006? Answer – carrying out a cross border attack. Why is there no mention of the 11,000 Palestinians held in Israeli jails including hundreds of children? (See DFI reports) Are the Red Cross allowed access to them?I don’t think so.

    BBC report
    Sun 25 June: Cpl Gilad Shalit captured in cross-border attack
    Mon 26 June: Palestinian Popular Resistance Committees demand prisoner releases in exchange for Shalit
    Weds 28 June: Israeli military enters southern strip after launching air strikes on Gaza
    Thurs 29 June: Israel detains dozens of Hamas officials
    Sat 1 July: Groups believed to be holding Cpl Shalit demand 1,000 prisoners be released
    Mon 3 July: Groups holding soldier issue ultimatum for 0300 4 July.

    I agree wholeheartedly that the settlements will have to be dismantled although only this weekend Netanyahu says he is pushing ahead with more apartments in East Jerusalem.

  8. mary said on July 20th, 2009 at 1:23am #

    The link re Neranyahu was omitted.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8158062.stm

  9. Mulga Mumblebrain said on July 20th, 2009 at 2:11am #

    jon, in my opinion you add monumental hypocrisy to your characteristic mendacity. Shalit is a prisoner-of-war, and I’ll bet he is treated far better by Hamas than the over ten thousand Palestinians held, most illegally, by Israel. I know that the Herrenvolk’s calculus has one Jewish life worth ten thousand (at least!) of the goyim, but the rest of the human race, the better fraction of it, disagrees. Moreover as report after report has shown, nearly all the Palestinians are tortured, routinely, to terrorise and intimidate the imprisoned Palestinians, to recruit informers and to slake the sadism of creatures who believe themselves supreme in the universe. If Shalit has been tortured those responsible are criminals too, but I doubt it. And your assertion that the occupation in Gaza has ended, when Israel merely withdrew to the concentration camp walls, maintains a brutal siege, a crime against humanity of collective punishment, and frequently bombs the Gazans, sends in death-squads, terrorises Gazan children with nightly supersonic overflights and recently killed 1400 with exemplary cruelty, savagery and contempt for human decency, is a lie so gigantic that, in my opinion, only a Zionist could utter the like.

  10. jon s said on July 20th, 2009 at 5:26am #

    Yes Shalit was captured in a cross-border attack: a Palestinian raid across the border into Israel. He was abducted from Israeli territory. He was not part of any kind of occupation.
    Shalit is a POW and should be treated as one. Let’s agree that he should be held under the same conditions that Palestinian prisoners are held in Israel! Ask the Hamas if they agree! Let them start the equal treatment today.
    Incidentally the prisoner “exchange rate” of one Israeli for hundreds of Palestinians is one that has been set the Palestinian side. Don’t you think Israel would prefer a one-for-one exchange? Nevertheless we’ll probably be willing to release hundreds or more in order to have our soldier returned.

  11. mary said on July 20th, 2009 at 6:25am #

    Any mention of initial provocation by the IDF is omitted above.
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    On 14 June 2007 Israel Army Radio published a report that said that the army had received a specific warning on 24 June 2006, the day before Shalit was kidnapped about a planned abduction. Security forces entered the Gaza Strip on 24 June 2006 and kidnapped two brothers, Osama and Mustafa Abu Muamar who the report described as “Hamas members”. The report stated that the brothers were transferred to Israel for interrogation and that the information extracted formed the basis for the specific warning that militants would try to enter Israel through tunnels to kidnap soldiers stationed near Gaza.

    Israeli forces entered Khan Yunis on 28 June 2006 to search for Shalit. According to David Siegel, a spokesman at the Israeli embassy in Washington, D.C., “Israel did everything it could in exhausting all diplomatic options and gave Mahmoud Abbas the opportunity to return the captured Israeli… This operation can be terminated immediately, conditioned on the release of Gilad Shalit.” On the same day, four Israeli Air Force aircraft flew over Syrian President Bashar Assad’s palace in Latakia, as IDF spokesperson stated that Israel views the Syrian leadership as a sponsor of Hamas. Israeli Human rights group B’Tselem has criticised Israel’s attacks on a civilian power plant during the June 28 mission as unnecessary and a possible war crime. The Operation was unsuccessful in finding Shalit. 277 Palestinian fighters and 5 Israeli soldiers were killed.
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    PS Have we ever heard what happened to the Abu Muamar brothers? No. Also forgotten is the war waged on Lebanon that month in which thousands were killed. I remember coming home from work in the afternoons then and watching the bombing and the shelling live on Sky. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

  12. B99 said on July 20th, 2009 at 6:29am #

    Jon S – Hamas is not to blame in the slightest for the situation in Gaza. Hamas does not hold Gaza under occupation and siege – Israel does. Hamas’ effort is to FREE Gaza, what would one expect from a resistance movement? Israel attacked Gaza when the rocket attacks were at a minimum as Hamas was holding to a truce. The few remaining rocket attacks were not necessarily from Hamas but from Fatah (Israel’s official ally) and served the purpose (desirable to Israel) of providing a phony pretext for the massacre in Gaza. In any case, Israel has always attacked Palestine with the full complement of its might arsenal including MISSILES. What’s a few home made rockets from the denizens of the Gaza Cage against the most sophisticated missiles in the world?

    Who is this Shalit guy – and why do we know his name? Since there are 11,000 Palestinians in Israeli prisons largely rounded up in sweeps by Israeli soldiers outside their own country; and many dozens of Hamas parliamentarians in Israeli prisons, carted off by Israeli soldiers in 4am knockdowns of front doors; and tens of thousands of dead and maimed Palestinians – the doings of well-bred Jewish high school grads who leave their country to kill; and many hundreds of Palestinian and Lebanese held for just such ransom; and Marwan Barghouti is held in an Israeli prison on trumped up charges – why the focus on the Jewish guy? How is it we know only HIS name?

    Israel is willing to exchange one Israeli for dozens of Palestinian/Lebanese prisoners because Israel holds hundreds of prisoners – the Arabs, but one. Israel would NOT do a one-for-one exchange because it would signal to all that their lives are of equal value.

    Hey, Jon S – If you understand that Israel does not belong in what remains of Palestine – you can’t help but understand the resistance to the occupation. You need to think that through.

    And by the way – Israel is a known torture state – so you cannot resort to extolling the virtues of internment of Palestinians in Israeli prisons.

  13. jon s said on July 20th, 2009 at 7:50am #

    B99,
    You seem to be seriously misinformed: for the last four years at least there has been no Israeli occupation or siege of Gaza.
    According to B’tselem since 2005 over 8000 rockets and mortars were fired from Gaza at Israel, not including during Cast Lead. So much for ” a few home-made rockets”. 19 israeli civilians were killed as well as 2 soldiers and 5 Palestinian civilians. So the “home-made” rockets are anything but harmless. After the Israeli occupation ended the Palestinians in Gaza could have devoted their energy and talents to developing their economy -industry, agriculture, commerce ; their infrastucture, their educational and health-care systems… Their leadership could have come out with a statement like “Now that the occupation is over and the settlements are gone we extend a hand of friendship and reconciliation to our Israeli neighbors…” Sorry about the day-dream… What we got were “home-made” rockets on our civilian population.
    As to Shalit – I repeat the offer. Please equate the conditions of his captivity to those of Palestinian prisoners in Israel.

  14. jon s said on July 20th, 2009 at 7:56am #

    Since you asked who is this Shalit guy, see here:
    http://www.habanim.org/en/index_en.html

  15. B99 said on July 20th, 2009 at 8:25am #

    Jon S – The United Nations considers Gaza to be Occupied by Israel – Still. It is of course, obvious that this is true. Israel erected a fence around Gaza – and it is IN Gaza. There are military towers from which the Israelis shoot Gazans if they approach an Israeli-designated no-mans-land several hundred yards within Gaza. Israel has an embargo around Gaza forbidding shipments in and out and ingress and egress of people. Despite not being Israeli waters Israel shoots fishermen trying to make a living from the Mediterranean. (And of course, there’s not denying that Israel recently intercepted an international aid boat and kidnapped its occupants – a former US congresswoman among them). So Israel controls movement in Gaza, the sea off of Gaza, the skies above Gaza and even the gate on the Egyptian side. What part of occupation do you not understand? Never mind siege!

    Twenty-one Israelis killed in many years is a small price for Israel to pay in order to occupy Gaza. Twenty one is but a morning’s kill for a band of Israeli high school grads with murder in their hearts. If there have been 8000 rockets (and mere mortars!) by the Palestinians (and let’s not forget that the West Bank is also not free, so resistance for that reason alone should be expected) there has been 8000 tons of missiles attacks, Abrams tank attacks, apache helicopter attacks, gas attacks, and all manner of sniper attacks carried out by Israel against the native population.

    After Israel pulled its squatters out of Gaza and put them on the WB to increase its settlement pace there, Gazans began using the greenhouses to grow crops and flowers for the European market. But as Israel destroyed the port facility in Gaza, Palestinians were forced to export through Israel. What happened next in this allegedly unoccupied land was that Israel forbade them the use of its ports. The produce died in the trucks and on the docks. Israelis had a good chuckle. The following year, bankrupt Gazan farmers could no longer afford to plant – that’s when Israel said they would not stop Gaza exports. Can any people be more devious?

    And it bears repeating – if Dachau is liberated and Sopibor is not – then the Jews are not free. If Gaza were liberated (as if) and the West Bank is not – then the Palestinians are not free. Palestinians have every right to resist – from Gaza, from the West Bank, from where ever.

    The Jew in captivity has had his name splashed all over the US media for years now, especially on NPR (National Philosemitic Radio). The Palestinians remain unknown to the US public – even the notable ones. I think its time we freed all captive soldiers in the order in which they were captured. Somewhere down at the end will be the lone Israeli – your boy. And he will have been treated better – for doing worse – than virtually any Arab in an Israeli prison.

  16. B99 said on July 20th, 2009 at 8:31am #

    This from the BBC. Regards! B99
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    Wednesday, 9 February, 2000, 22:46 GMT
    Israel admits torture

    An official Israeli report has acknowledged for the first time that the Israeli security service tortured detainees during the Palestinian uprising, the Intifada, between 1988 and 1992.

    The report, written five years ago but kept secret until now, said the leadership of the security service Shin Bet knew about the torture but did nothing to stop it.

    The report did not detail the torture methods used, but human rights organisations say some detainees died or were left paralysed.

    Most of the violations were not caused by lack of knowledge of the line between what was permitted and what was forbidden, but were committed knowingly

    Israeli torture report
    Security agents were also accused of lying to the courts about their actions.

    The release of the report in Israel was authorised by a parliamentary committee after the Supreme Court recommended it no longer be kept secret.

    The Israeli Government has, in the past, denied that it used any interrogation methods that amounted to torture.

  17. B99 said on July 20th, 2009 at 8:42am #

    Adn this from David Bloom of CounterPunch (Sept 2005)!
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    …according to the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI), which notes that despite improvements following the 1999 decision by the Israeli High Court of Justice to ban torture, because of a clause allowing for so-called “moderate physical pressure” in the case of “ticking bombs,” it’s still a problem in Israel:

    PCATI’s report published in April 2003 revealed the following: [1]

    Based on official data, GSS agents interrogated thousands of Palestinians per year during the Intifada, and over 200 at any given moment. In July 2002, the GSS related to the press that 90 Palestinians were defined as ‘ticking bombs’ and were tortured (that is, were exposed to ‘physical pressure’). Research by the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel shows that the number tortured is actually much greater; and that GSS agents who interrogate Palestinian detainees torture them, degrade them, and otherwise ill-treat them routinely, in blatant violation of the provisions of international law, mainly in the following manners:

    1 Violence: Beating, slapping, kicking, stepping on shackles; Bending the interrogee and placing him in other painful positions; Intentionally tightening the shackles by which he is bound; Violent shaking.

    2 Sleep Deprivation.

    3 Additional ‘Interrogation Methods’: Prolonged shackling behind the back; Cursing, threats, humiliations; Depriving the detainee of essential needs; Exposure to extreme heat or cold.

    4 Secondary Methods: Isolation and secrecy; Imprisonment under inhuman conditions.

    The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel estimates that a considerable portion of all interrogees, if not most, had been exposed to interrogation methods which include “severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental.” In other words these methods, as applied, cause, at least in their combination and accumulation over time, the level of gravity and cruelty that constitute torture as defined in international law.

    In contrast with the years 2000-2001, the years 2002-2003 saw a deterioration in the treatment of Palestinian detainees by the GSS:

    * Each month, hundreds of Palestinians were subjected to one degree or another of torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment (ill-treatment), at the hands of the GSS and bodies working on its behalf. By way of comparison – in September 2001 we estimated that the total number of detainees being subjected to torture and other ill-treatment reached ‘only’ dozens. The numbers have thus increased dramatically.

    * Each month, the ill-treatment reaching the level of torture as defined in international law was inflicted in dozens of cases, and possibly more. In other words – torture in Israel had once more become routine.
    Information obtained by the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel shows that official sources admitted using many torture methods, including slapping, ‘bending,’ shaking, sleep deprivation, and prolonged shackling.

  18. B99 said on July 20th, 2009 at 8:49am #

    Or Jon S – how about this?

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    A new PCATI report – Shackling as a Form of Torture and Abuse Search العربيةEnglishעברית24.06.2009The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI) released a major report, based on 547 cases of arrest by soldiers and dozens of interrogations by the GSS in the past year as well as additional cases from previous years. The report reveals that various security agencies in Israel, chief among them the IDF and the GSS, shackle detainees in painful and humiliating manners that in a number of instances rise to the level of torture in violation of domestic law, High Court of Justice judgments, international law and accepted international standards of practice which allow for restraining for the purposes of preventing a detainee from escaping, or endangering himself or his surroundings. In Israel detainees are painfully shackled as a matter of practice. Painful shackling is done for invalid and irrelevant reasons, which include causing pain and suffering, punishment, intimidation, and illegally eliciting information and confessions. The main victims of this practice are Palestinian ‘security’ detainees yet the culture of contempt for the dignity of detainees gravitates inward towards Israeli society itself at times harming detainees who belong to other groups. The report, entitled, “Shackling as a Form of Torture and Abuse” was written by PCATI Advocate Samah Elkhatib Ayoub.
    The report is being published in advance of the UN International Day in Support of Torture Victims that is marked throughout the world on the 26th of June.

  19. bozh said on July 20th, 2009 at 9:25am #

    aren’t pals untermenschen; thus, uebermenschen cannot do any wrong.
    and, to boot, untermenschen kill animals because animals are not untermenschen. So it goes.
    on the other hand, ‘god’ or devil neither being unter- nor uebermenschlich, let alone baerlich might just also torture uebermneschen!?tnx

  20. B99 said on July 20th, 2009 at 10:09am #

    Well, maybe so Bozh – but I’m just trying to keep Jon S from making statements that are dead wrong – whether he willfully does so or not. A Jewish woman once said to me that Jews (because of culture or experience or status, etc.) often consider themselves a ‘cut above’ others. She admitted this often got Jews into trouble. Many Jews really believe that the Jewish state is incapable of systematic wrong doings – that Israel has tried its best to keep its nose clean and its head above water – but that the intransigence of the Arabs sometimes makes Jews do things that Jews regret – and that Israel really is the example of a people and a state that goes the extra mile – nay, ten miles – in the pursuit of peace. Of course, this is entirely a snow job visited upon Israeli Jews by their government and their media – and subscribed to by many Zionists in the US (including Christians) for the same reasons. It is a painful lesson for many Jews when they let go of such myths as they have so much of their personal self-worth wrapped up in what it means to be Jewish. All I can say is that repeated exposure to the truth will either move them to a more nuanced understanding of what Zionism has meant from the viewpoint of its victims – or they will throw up their hands and move on to other pursuits.

  21. kalidas said on July 20th, 2009 at 11:27am #

    More Israelis have died from allergic reactions to peanut butter than from all the rockets and mortars fired during the same time frame.

    But getting back to the gist of the article, I find it highly ironic (though totally fitting) that even as these so-called “Israelis” pollute Palestine with sewage, it is not Palestine, but instead it is Israel which is known throughout the world as “that shitty little country.”

  22. bozh said on July 20th, 2009 at 12:37pm #

    it seems to me that khazaro-europeans who converted in tenth cent’y to mosheic law, took to heart the torahic commad to become lenders and not borrowers; to lead and not to be led; to have servants but never serve others.
    to new converts toiling/tilling was beneath them; thus, they shunned work and became lenders.
    and having done that they became best at it. And being fiercely cultish, they wld hire only the ‘jews’.
    and having more money than others, they cld educate more of their people.
    eventually nazis had enough and demanded they leave for madagascar.
    ‘zionists’ rejected the offer. I educe that zionists sacrificed so many ‘jews’ [possibly not meaning to sacrifice as many as died, or may be?] because that was the only way to get the poor ‘jews’ into palestine.
    tnx

  23. Mulga Mumblebrain said on July 20th, 2009 at 3:49pm #

    Well said B99! The reality of Zionist racism and the sheer arrogance and brutality of the lying that accompany it never fail to revolt. I love jon’s rancid hypocrisy in stating that Israel would prefer one-to-one prisoner transfers. In reality we all know from sickening experience that the Judeofascists take advantage of all these prisoner exchanges to screech their imagined ‘moral superiority’, that they value their lives more than the sub-human Arabs. Of course there is a grain of truth behind this egomania, but it remains unstated, naturally. That is that the Israeli Herrenvolk do indeed value their own lives immensely, and that of their victims as worthless. In a pretty typical display of Israeli arrogance and pathopsychological projection, this intense racism is turned into snide Zionist agit-prop, endlessly recycled by Zionist hatemongers, that the Arabs do not love their children, that they would rather see them die than make peace with the Israelis. The mentality behind this lie, and so many like it, that so dehumanises the imprisoned Palestinians as to accuse them of not even loving their own children, is the product, I believe, of evil and diseased minds. But they are allowed to totally dominate the discourse. We are relentlessly assailed with assertions that the imprisoned Palestinians (those in the hell-holes of Israeli gaols) have ‘blood on their hands’. A curious observation, when one remembers that at least ten times as many Palestinians have been killed, and not a single Jew sits in prison for mass murder by white phosphorus, aerial bombardment, death as ‘collateral damage’ in assassinations of Palestinian leaders or in infamous cases of deliberate murder of the injured, including a 13 year old girl, a Nazi tactic known to the Israelis as ‘confirming the kill’, as if the victim was a rabid dog. But then one just has to remember that for the Judaic Herrenvolk, their blood is different from the Palestinians, from yours and mine and that of our parents, siblings, neighbours and children (unless they too are blessed to be the Supreme Beings of the Universe). Therefore it does make nasty, supremacist, sense. Only spilling Judaic blood counts. The blood of the goyim is essentially worthless. And they demand that we genuflect and prostrate ourselves before their ‘moral purity’. No thanks!

  24. B99 said on July 20th, 2009 at 3:59pm #

    It seems the only time Israeli Jews want a one-to-one relationship with gentiles is when they want their organs. Judaism commands that Jews be buried whole – so few Jew wants to give up a kidney in life – or donate an organ after death. The solution is to pay poverty-stricken (stricken as such by the Israelis, to be sure) Palestinians to undergo a kidney donation operation – commonly done by sending the victim and the recipient to Istanbul where the transfer practice is routine. It’s really quite scandalous – but not surprising.

  25. Mulga Mumblebrain said on July 20th, 2009 at 6:13pm #

    I agree B99, that the worst of the Jews are vile blighters, just like the worst of the Gentiles. They are invariably found on the Right of the political spectrum, where human spiritual evil, mental insufficiency and psychopathology prosper. But we must never forget that many Jews are not swine, that Jews are involved deeply in the anti-Zionist struggle and that many more are simply led into evil by tribal loyalty and the great, horrifying, spectre of the Judeocide. When we count those Jews who are decent humans, and those salvageable, I’m sure it is a great majority, like most groups and societies. Just because the worst, the Judeofascists, the Zionazis and the religious fundamentalists are so wicked and deranged, is no reason to condemn the whole. After all I am, by accident of birth, an Australian, but, God help me, I’d hate to be judged according to the actions of the Right in this country, as scabrous a rabble of the dregs of the genus Homo as it is possible to imagine.

  26. B99 said on July 21st, 2009 at 6:33am #

    Mulga – Indeed, many Jews can now be found on the right end of the poltical spectrum. However, many Zionists are otherwise liberal in attitude, the positions they took and take on say, South Africa, Nicaragua, the liberation of blacks, women, gays are all on the left end. But as one Jewish friend of mine said to me – he can’t make the leap on Israel – it’s too much of an emotional thing. I grew up in the biggest Jewish city in the world – and have known Jews in every occupation from newspaper stand operator to beer distributor to known public political figure. So I’d be the last to condemn Jews as a whole and am usually more likely to find allies amongst them for most any progressive issue – with the one big exception. With regard to Palestine, it seems the only Jews who pretty much get it right are communists – apparently that’s what it takes to see through the miasma.

    Jews, like anyone else, are not immune to change. It’s a wall of propaganda and fear-mongering each one has to overcome. But as Palestinians have done virtually all the heavy-lifting, virtually alone in their struggle to hold the very ground they were born to – in the US, the struggle is for the hearts and minds of Jews. If they can be separated from knee-jerk zionism, their gentile allies will fall into place as well. But it takes Jews to convince Jews, they won’t believe or trust a gentile. Until that becomes commonplace, the slog will be slow and hard.

  27. mebosa ritchie said on July 21st, 2009 at 7:45am #

    for b99—not that the truth will stop you writing crap about jews

    Palestinian girl given bomb victim’s kidney

    By Eric Silver in Jerusalem

    Monday, 23 September 2002

    A Palestinian girl aged seven has been given a kidney, and with it a new life, from Yoni Jesner, a Scottish student killed in a Hamas suicide bombing last week. Yasmin Abu Ramila, from East Jerusalem, was in a stable condition at a Tel Aviv hospital last night.

    A Palestinian girl aged seven has been given a kidney, and with it a new life, from Yoni Jesner, a Scottish student killed in a Hamas suicide bombing last week. Yasmin Abu Ramila, from East Jerusalem, was in a stable condition at a Tel Aviv hospital last night.

    With tanks and bulldozers still in action 10 miles away in Ramallah, Ari Jesner, the victim’s eldest brother, said in Jerusalem: “The family is delighted, honoured and proud that we have been able to join in saving the life of another human being, even if it was in such tragic circumstances.”

    Mr Jesner, 26, a lawyer in London, said the girl’s nationality or religion did not matter. “The most important thing was we could save another person’s life. The donation was unconditional. Our role ended when we decided to donate.”

    His brother, Yoni, 19, who had been studying for a year at a Yeshiva, a Jewish religious school, was buried in Jerusalem on Friday after dying from injuries inflicted when a Palestinian blew himself up on a Tel Aviv bus. Five Israelis were also killed. The Jesner family – father, mother, two brothers and two sisters from Glasgow – donated all Yoni’s vital organs.

    Asked if they would meet Yasmin’s family, Mr Jesner said: “We haven’t thought about it yet. We are in mourning. Our nerves are still so raw, the wounds so open. But it could happen in the future if they ask to meet us.”

    Yasmin’s mother, Rina Abu Ramila, was at her bedside in Ichilov hospital last night. “I don’t know what to say to thank the bereaved family,” she said. “I grieve for their loss and thank them for their donation, which saved the life of my daughter.” The girl had been on dialysis for two years waiting for a suitable donor.

    Yoni Jesner was the fifth British citizen killed here since the intifada began two years ago but his family received more than the standard consular assistance. The ambassador, Sherrard Cowper-Coles, went to the airport at 5am on Friday to welcome 11 relatives who flew in while the victim was still on life support.

    and this is the crap b99 wrote

    It seems the only time Israeli Jews want a one-to-one relationship with gentiles is when they want their organs. Judaism commands that Jews be buried whole – so few Jew wants to give up a kidney in life – or donate an organ after death. The solution is to pay poverty-stricken (stricken as such by the Israelis, to be sure) Palestinians to undergo a kidney donation operation – commonly done by sending the victim and the recipient to Istanbul where the transfer practice is routine. It’s really quite scandalous – but not surprising.

  28. jon s said on July 21st, 2009 at 7:48am #

    Thanks for the fascinating discussion. As a Jew I feel like a lab rat about to be dissected.
    I’ve been thinking for some time to respond to Mulga’s persistent, malicious, charges of racist supremicism directed at the Jewish people, complete with her vile use of Nazi German terminology (“herrenvolk”, etc.) Stay tuned.

  29. mary said on July 21st, 2009 at 7:54am #

    Having over consumed the water supplies, the Israelis are now claiming the land that the Dead Sea has given back. No end to the greed and the grabbing. When I visited the Dead Sea I thought it was one of the most depressing places on earth with all these overweight people bobbing around on the surface and covering themselves in mud.

    AFP
    Israel ‘to grab’ Dead Sea shore as property
    Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:39:14 GMT

    Israel plans declaring ownership of the West Bank’s Dead Sea shore as “state property,” to confiscate more Palestinian land, an anti-settlement group says.

    “Israeli authorities have announced that they intend to declare as state land some 138,600 dunums (34,650 acres) that has emerged along the Dead Sea in the occupied West Bank due to the drop in the water level,” said Hagit Ofran of the Peace Now group Tuesday, quoted by AFP.

    The land, which has emerged as a result of Dead Sea shrinkage, is located along the shore of the Dead Sea in the West Bank.

    According to the anti-settlement group, the amount of land involved may go beyond the shoreline that has surfaced as a consequence of an estimated one meter (yard) drop in the water level per year.

    “It would appear that the primary purpose of registering this area as ‘state land’ is to prevent Palestinian use of the land or any Palestinian assertion of ownership over it,” Ofran added.

    In the West Bank, “the designation of ‘state land’ — land to be held in trust by the occupying power and to be used for the benefit of the indigenous population — has been abused as a form of de facto expropriation,” said the group.

    Israel occupied the West Bank during the Six-Day War of 1967, and it has so far “declared or registered huge areas of the West Bank as ‘state land’ and virtually all of this land has been given over for the exclusive use and exclusive benefit of Israeli settlers and the Israeli military,” the group said.

    SB/MB/DT

  30. mebosa ritchie said on July 21st, 2009 at 9:00am #

    MAKE SURE YOU BOYCOTT THIS,MARY

    Microsoft, AmDocs, FedEx, the city of Budapest, the state of California, and now, Sonol gas stations are just a few of the big names working towards a new standard of energy efficiency with the help of a device manufactured by the Israeli company Power Electronics.

    The Light Energy Controller (“LEC”) device is helping existing lighting systems worldwide “go green.” Locally designed, developed, and manufactured, the LEC is 100% Israeli.

    Power Electronics CEO Eran Tagor insists that his company was “going green before Al Gore,” and notes that 90% of the company’s business deals with energy efficiency.

    The company describes itself as “a global provider of energy-efficiency solutions for energy savings and reduction of CO2 emissions,” Tagor said.

    Last week, Sonol fuel stations announced the completion of an installation of the device in all of its Israeli locations.

    The company was born when company founder Shimon Limor began working on energy-saving technologies in the 1980s.

    The core platform of the LEC is to “provide the right voltage.”

    Each country has a legal range in which the voltage must flow to the lighting system. Any number within this legal range is acceptable. Because the voltage flowing to the system is constantly fluctuating, much valuable energy is lost in the process. The LEC system works by controlling the voltage supplied to the lighting circuit.

    Produced in a full range of sizes, the LEC is unique in its ability to, unlike many new energy solutions, function with existing infrastructure.

    “People talk about new bulbs, but they are missing the most important thing, the voltage,” Tagor said.

    The small, robust device can easily be installed, controlled, and programmed to adjust the voltage for peak efficiency. In Budapest, for example, the voltage is decreased late at night when lighting does not need to be as strong.

    Ideal for outdoor lighting, gas stations, stadiums, and the like, the LEC brings 20%-30% savings on power and the reduction of CO2 emissions by 50%, Tagor said.

    According to Tagor, “The idea of achieving energy saving and efficiency by optimization and voltage is not new, but the technology we have developed is small, light, and cost effective. Basically, we have achieved savings in an efficient manor with a device that is not expensive. The return investment is between 13 to 18 months – this is very good.”

    Tagor acknowledges that people are usually skeptical at first, and often pose the question, “Can you really save money? Show me!”

    “Everything is measurable. Our device is a proven technology – that’s why they [energy consumers] keep coming back to us,” he said.

    The company also produces other energy saving devices, including the Sinumec, which increases efficiency in motors by adjusting the amount of energy to the size of the load. The Sinumec is used many commercial and industrial motors, such as in escalators and lifting machines.

    Reflective of the engineer’s modest approach to business, Power Electronics is located in a discreet building in Or Yehuda’s industrial district. Power Electronics pledges to remain a humble company.

    “We can’t change the world in one day, but we can install our system and save money in the meanwhile,” said Tagor.

    Kiryat Motzkin, a Haifa suburb, has already begun saving NIS 500,000 per year. Tagor noted that if all of Israel were to utilize the LEC system, the country could potentially save NIS 3 billion in energy costs.

    Tagor is optimistic about the company’s future.

    “When everyone wants 100% of the energy, the demand increases. With our systems, we can reduce the demand. It benefits everyone – the electric company, the distributor, the general public, and of course, the environment,” he said.

  31. mary said on July 21st, 2009 at 9:19am #

    http://www.counterpunch.org/cook07212009.html

    PS The subect here is water, not electricity but while on that perhaps Mr Limor could help this crazy and selfish woman out with one of his gadgets.

    http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/06/17/no-light-unto-neighbours-or-let-my-dena-go/

    PPS Does he pay you for the advert?

  32. mebosa ritchie said on July 21st, 2009 at 11:08am #

    now let’s see mary
    a jewish couple in bournemouth,england have a problem with a light switch and this is news for a palestine think tank?
    the depths you jew haters sink to knows no bounds
    how many jew hating web sites do you post on?
    you seem extremely obsessed by jews
    get a life
    go boating with your brother

  33. mary said on July 21st, 2009 at 11:46am #

    I see we’re back to the subject of water.

    Ni thanks. I am not as brave as David and there are too many Israeli gunships around for my liking ready to commit piracy, kidnapping and ramming.

  34. B99 said on July 21st, 2009 at 12:05pm #

    mebosa – A jew gives an organ to a Palestinian and its a FRONT PAGE story. What does THAT tell you about how singular the incident is.

    Now, I didn’t say this was a problem among Jews everywhere, just an aspect of Jewish culture that manifested itself in an Israeli-Jewish scandal. The donar was NOT an Israeli – but a Scot. The Scots are known for their thriftiness, but apparently there is no problem among Scots with regard to organ donation. But really, you’ve got to do some homework on the issue – you’ll find that Turkey is a major center of Arab to Jew organ donation. There’s a quite a trade in this.

  35. B99 said on July 21st, 2009 at 12:15pm #

    Mebosa – For sure, the Israelis are advanced in many areas of high-technology. That is in no small measure due to the Jewish cultural respect for education – which pays dividends. But of course, it is also in some measure due to the fact that Israel is a garrison state and as such devotes much time and effort to the cause of technology used to expand and control territory and the non-Jews within and without Israel. Both basic science and military spin-offs receive benefit from the Israel-as-Sparta mentality which infuses the population. And, of course, generous gifts from the US taxpayer subsidize Israeli research.

    Nonetheless, even if we paint a picture of Israeli technology lighting up the world – that does not preclude them being moral midgets – any more than did Nazi Germany’s U2s render that state a model citizen.

  36. mebosa ritchie said on July 21st, 2009 at 2:23pm #

    b99
    your hatred of all jews,be they scottish, israeli american is pathological.
    enjoy the hate fest on dissident voice
    no one of any significance actually cares what you think
    enjoy your hatred as it burns you up
    the jews will always succeed

  37. Suthiano said on July 21st, 2009 at 2:47pm #

    Mebosa, I found out a job opportunity for you (don’t ever say I never did anything kind for you):

    “Israel’s foreign ministry is reported to be establishing a special undercover team of paid workers whose job it will be to surf the internet 24 hours a day spreading positive news about Israel.

    Internet-savvy Israeli youngsters, mainly recent graduates and demobilised soldiers with language skills, are being recruited to pose as ordinary surfers while they provide the government’s line on the Middle East conflict.”

    Now that’s adding depth to the definition of a “troll”.

  38. mebosa ritchie said on July 21st, 2009 at 2:51pm #

    I am not as brave as David and there are too many Israeli gunships around for my liking ready to commit piracy, kidnapping and ramming.

    from big brave loud mouth mary,
    you’re not scared of the jews are you?

  39. mebosa ritchie said on July 21st, 2009 at 2:53pm #

    suthiano dear
    old news–been spreading good news about israel for the last 61years

  40. Suthiano said on July 21st, 2009 at 2:59pm #

    wow 61 years Mebosa, you’re much much older than I, did you use the internet back then too…?

    With all that age I still don’t see the wisdom… cleverness yes, but definitely not wisdom. That’s why I call you a sophist.

    Cheers

  41. Danny Ray said on July 21st, 2009 at 3:02pm #

    oi

  42. Danny Ray said on July 21st, 2009 at 3:03pm #

    sorry my bad

  43. mary said on July 21st, 2009 at 3:16pm #

    Was that going to be ‘Oy veh’?

  44. Mulga Mumblebrain said on July 21st, 2009 at 3:48pm #

    Suthiano, ‘spreading good news about Israel’ is a euphemism, like ‘hasbara’ , for lying.

  45. Danny Ray said on July 21st, 2009 at 3:57pm #

    Sorry Mary, that was the cat on the key board, we Anglicans just usually say “oh Shit”

  46. B99 said on July 21st, 2009 at 3:57pm #

    Mebosa – If only you could make a coherent argument, we could discuss matters. But mostly, you want to take the juvenile route – pointing out achievements by Jews, as if that would forgive them for the genocide. In fact, you close your message above by saying something silly – ‘the jews will always succeed.’

    But let’s summarize. I am a minority on this site, I believe, in that I do not want to see Israel dissolved by force nor Jews removed elsewhere. You however, are in favor removing Palestinians to Jordan, am I correct? If that is the case, then we’d have to admit that your hatred of Palestinians, and perhaps all Arabs, likely all Muslims too, is pathological, no? That would make you the racist, not me. Yet, you are so inculcated with racism that you don’t even recognize your hatred on the printed page (or the internet, as it were).

  47. Mulga Mumblebrain said on July 21st, 2009 at 4:36pm #

    jon, I’m waiting with bated breath for your expose of my ‘anti-Semitism’. Save your trouble, dear golem. I’ve heard it all before. As soon as you attack the Zionist regime, its colonial project and its utter sadism and brutality in crushing the Palestinians and attacking its neighbours, that smear is always mobilised.
    Being ‘anti-Semitic’ as in hating all Jews because they are Jews is morally repulsive and deeply stupid. Jews are like every other group, Arabs, gays, left-handers, in that some are good people (according to my definition) some evil, the bulk somewhere in between. Some grow more moral through life, some less and some oscillate between the extremes. So I regard racist, bellicose, murderous and lying Jews as just as detestable as racist, bellicose, murderous and lying Gentiles. The reflex vilification of anti-Semitism is a choice humbug as well, as it so often comes from Judaic and Gentile racists who vilify Arabs or Palestinians in precisely these same, indiscriminant, terms. The letters pages of Australian newspapers are replete with Soldiers of Zion spreading hatred and contempt for ‘the Arabs’, ‘the Palestinians’ and ‘the Moslems’ without a hint that these groups could possibly contain individuals of fine character.
    The comparison between the Israeli state and Nazism is unarguable. One can also see close similarities with the operation of Afrikaaner apartheid in South Africa. And the Judaic settlers in the Occupied Territories make me think of no other group but the Taliban, in their remorseless fanaticism, cruelty and utter contempt for their victims, all motivated by Messianic religious doctrine.
    When Israel behaves like Nazi Germany, in attacking its neighbours, targeting civilians deliberately, assassinating and ‘disappearing’ Palestinian resistance leaders (Nacht und Nebel)labeling all resistance to their brutality ‘terrorwism’, openly claiming to be a Master Race or Herrenvolk, demanding ‘lebensraum in the East’ in Palestinian land (based on religious superstition and mythology not that different from delusions of Aryan supremacy)and concentrating its victims in huge internment camps and rank ghettoes like Gaza, then it must be condemned. That it is the victims of the previous episode of Nazism committing the depravities now, is a human tragedy and a bitter irony. Moreover Israel is far from the only state that acts in a Nazi manner. One could add the US, which has out-Nazied the Nazis for two hundred years, the UK in complicity with the Nazi-like crimes in Iraq and Russia in Chechnya. However, to demand that Israel be spared such a comparison, when its crimes so clearly fit the Nazi template, is simply more Zionist arrogance and contempt for the facts.

  48. mary said on July 21st, 2009 at 11:10pm #

    Quite Danny Ray. LOL

    and Suthiano, I think the reference to ’61 years’ by our friend was a Freudian slip. It was actually a reference to the duration of the Occupation, El Nakba.

  49. jon s said on July 22nd, 2009 at 9:19am #

    On being “Chosen”: Some of the contributors here on DV, especially the Anti-Semite Mulga, persistently accuse the Jews of being guilty of racist supremacism, based on the concept of “The Chosen People”. In a malicious manipulation, she likes to use Nazi-German terminology (“herrenvolk”,” ubbermenschen”,etc.).
    (Mulga also claims that “the Jews” control the media, the economy, and even US-China relations -!?- and has even attacked core elements of the the Jewish faith –the Torah, the Talmud even the Jewish holidays…)
    As to being “chosen”: the concept itself exists and is undeniable : observant and traditional Jews include in their prayers a blessing to God who “chose us from among the nations”. Also the well-known “Aleinu” prayer gives thanks for creating us different, “and our destiny is not the same” [as that of other nations].
    However – and this is the main point – “different” doesn’t necessarily mean “superior”. In the Bible, Abraham is chosen to be the father of the nation, but God doesn’t make him King of the World. Instead, he is required to sacrifice his beloved son, Isaac. No power over others , no superiority, only an agonizing sacrifice. The Torah is also quite clear on equality: “One law shall be unto him that is homeborn and unto the stranger…” (Exodus 12:49); “Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger as for the home-born” (Leviticus 24:22) , and elsewhere.
    Sadly, over hundreds of years , including the 20th century, being “chosen” has meant being singled out for discrimination, persecution and annihilation.
    (There’s a heart breaking Hebrew poem by Nathan Alterman , from 1942, on Jewish children , “chosen from all the children in the world ” , chosen to be murdered. I haven’t been able to locate an English translation.)
    I recall a discussion I had with my father (of blessed memory) on the “Chosen People” topic. He said that being “chosen” doesn’t entail any kind of privilege in relation to other peoples, only obligations : to live an exemplary moral life, to stand up for good against evil, which, for him, meant fighting for social justice and against racism and fascism. It also entails a feeling of pride in our traditions and heritage.
    Of course there are other interpretations , we all know that there are Jewish extremists, chauvinists and racists, as there are among other peoples. Their brand of Judaism is by no means the dominant one.

  50. mary said on July 22nd, 2009 at 9:33am #

    How low can they go?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8162841.stm

  51. mebosa ritchie said on July 22nd, 2009 at 2:15pm #

    not seen this mary

    thank you for bringing to our attention the very close links between hitler,the nazis and the palestinian islamo-fascists

  52. mary said on July 22nd, 2009 at 2:50pm #

    Here’s another about your ultra right wing pro tempore government to put in your pipe and smoke.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8163959.stm

    Page last updated at 19:12 GMT, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:12 UK

    Israeli textbooks to drop ‘Nakba’

    The exile of Palestinians in 1948 is given little weight in Israeli textbooks (photo of moving line of Palestinians with their hands up in the air)

    Israel’s education ministry is to drop from an Arabic language textbook a term describing the creation of the state of Israel as “the catastrophe”.

    The Arabic word “nakba” has been used with Israeli-Arab pupils since 2007. It does not appear in Hebrew textbooks.

    Education Minister Gideon Saar said no state could be expected to portray its own foundation as a catastrophe.

    Israeli Arab MP Hana Sweid called the move an attack on Palestinian identity and collective memory.

    The passage in question, which occurs in one textbook aimed at Arab children aged eight or nine, describes the 1948 war, which resulted in Israel’s creation, in the following terms: “The Arabs call the war the Nakba – a war of catastrophe, loss and humiliation – and the Jews call it the Independence War.”

    ” There is no reason that the official curriculum should present the establishment of the state of Israel as a ‘catastrophe’” – Gideon Saar
    Education Minister

    Israel concern at UN use of Nakba (live link)

    The sentence was introduced when Yuli Tamir of the centre-left Labour party was education minister.

    Ms Tamir’s successor in Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing administration, Mr Saar, said: “There is no reason that the official curriculum of the state of Israel should present the establishment of the state as a ‘holocaust’ or ‘catastrophe’.”

    Mr Saar added that state education for children was not supposed entail the de-legitimising of that state.

    “Including the term in the official curriculum of the Arab sector was a mistake, a mistake that will not repeat itself in the new curriculum, which is currently being revised,” he concluded.

    Correspondents say most Hebrew-language history books, especially when written for schoolchildren, focus on the heroism of Israeli forces in 1948 and gloss over the mass exile of Palestinians.

    If it is mentioned at all it is attributed to a voluntary flight, rather than the deliberate expulsion which later revisionist historians claim to have uncovered from archive sources.

    The term Nakba is usually applied to the loss suffered by millions of Palestinian refugees displaced by the 1948 war and subsequent conflicts; their fate remains a key factor in the Israeli-Palestinian dispute.

    Jafar Farrah, director of Israeli-Arab advocacy group Moussawa, told the BBC that removing the word Nakba from textbooks would not stop Arabs from using it, but it would complicate relations.

    Far-right members of the Israeli government are pursuing legislation to make it illegal in Israel to commemorate the Nakba, as Palestinians and their supporters do every 15 May.

  53. mebosa ritchie said on July 22nd, 2009 at 3:05pm #

    quite right to get rid of this ridiculous nakba–it was not a catastophe for israel
    neither was the six day war or the yom kippur war when the arabs tried again to destroy israel and failed
    the state of israel celebrates israel independence day.
    the usa celebrates 4th july
    france celebrates bastille day
    australia celebrates australia day
    ghana celebrates its independence day
    india has just celebrated it’s 60th birthday as has pakistan
    what’s your problem,mary?

  54. B99 said on July 22nd, 2009 at 4:00pm #

    Mebosa – Actually it was the Revisionist Zionists who were close to Nazism – they believed in its ideals – and were working for the day when liberal democracies would fail. Like the Nazis, they believed fervently in the concept of ‘Blud und Boden’ (blood and soil). That’s why the Revisionists actually worked FOR the Nazis, thats how they got their BROWN SHIRTS that they put on their own brand of Hitler Youth called Betar, and that’s why the only flag legally allowed to fly in Nazi Germany other than the Swastika was the Revisionist’s Star of David flag. How about them apples?

  55. B99 said on July 22nd, 2009 at 4:05pm #

    This for Jon S:
    Zionists used biological weapons in early 1948. Unable to capture the old city of Acre via shelling and machine-gunning the Zionist terror forces turned to biological warfare. The Jewish Hagana injected TYPHOID GERMS into the 200 yr old aqueduct above the town. An immediate outbreak ensued with at least 70 casualties as well as among the British troops fiddling while Acre was being attacked. During the epidemic, Hagana loudspeakers blared, “Surrender or commit suicide.”

    This goes on long before the Arabs allegedly attacked AND while the Brits were supposed to be protecting life. In the midst of the Jewish-inflicted typhoid epidemic the Hagana terror group advised the Palestinian town-dwellers to ‘surrender or commit suicide.’ As is the Jewish custom, when the remaining Palestinians were expelled their homes were looted of furniture and clothes.

    On 5/27/48 in Gaza, two Zionist terrorists, DAVID HORIN & DAVID MIZRACHI, did the Acre effort one better by dumping both Typhoid AND Dysentery germs into Palestinian water wells. The two Stars of David were caught by Egyptians and executed. The Jews did not protest, presumably not to bring attention to these nefarious deeds.

  56. B99 said on July 22nd, 2009 at 4:12pm #

    Mary – the education minister is right that no state will present its founding as a catastrophe.

    But WE know better, the Palestinians know better – and most of all, the Jews know better. They know that Israel’s founding was counterfeit. And they can no longer argue otherwise.

    They have to continue the lie though or they would not be able to get their high school grads to leave the country and shoot the children of gentiles. They are raised on race hatred and that is their outlet.

  57. kalidas said on July 22nd, 2009 at 6:25pm #

    A counterfeit founding to go hand in hand with counterfeit “Semites.”
    Isn’t anti-pseudo semite accurate?

  58. kalidas said on July 22nd, 2009 at 6:26pm #

    Even their subconscious is usurped.

  59. mebosa ritchie said on July 23rd, 2009 at 8:15am #

    b99 you don’t half write a load of nonsense – and most of all, the Jews know better.
    most jews, like 99.9%,apart from the jew hating jews like yourself,are delighted that the state of israel exists and is flourishing despite the constant attacks from those like yourself who would like it to disappear.

    it isn’t going to,so live with it,get a life and try and and get over your obsessions
    it isn’t healthy

  60. Mulga Mumblebrain said on July 23rd, 2009 at 4:00pm #

    I think mebosa illustrates nicely the manner in which evil re-inforces itself, through group hysteria, incessant brainwashing and the constant purging of those with a human conscience. The Jews in general, and the Israeli Jews in particular, have long been ostracising those members of their tribe who dare tell the truth concerning the Nakbah or Israel’s subsequent barbarous behaviour. Through their unparalleled money power, and hence media and political power, they have also been relentlessly indoctrinating and brainwashing Western publics into their ethos of absolute hatred of Islam, Arabs and the Palestinians in particular. Here in Australia, the opinion pages have been biased to a laughable extent for years, but these days it is absolutely forbidden that the Palestinian point of view be presented. Absolutely. On the other hand the opinion pages are often polluted by the vilest Zionist propaganda, spreading not only long refuted untruths, but the foulest racist animadversions, all presented with that characteristic hair-raising arrogance we know so well.
    A veritable cavalcade of Moslem haters visits the country, nearly all sponsored by local Zionist groups. Hatemongering is a local Zionist cottage industry, pursued with fanatic determination. Without a question one of the foci of hatemongering in the world today is the Zionist Lobby, and it is particularly dangerous given its Messianic enthusiasm, its money power and its absolutist rejection of the humanity, and the human rights, of its victims. In a way Zionism outdoes Nazism in both its durability, and in its global reach, the manner in which it is succeeding in poisoning the relations between the West and the Moslem world, not to forget its leading role in anti-Chinese agitation, now rising to a fever pitch of bellicosity.

  61. dan e said on July 23rd, 2009 at 5:39pm #

    Mulga,
    Your description of conditions in Australia closely resembles what I’ve observed here in Northern California. BTW thanks for your many perspicacious comments on this and other threads.

    Since finding myself publically labelled an “anti-Semite” back in the 1980′s, I’ve made it a personal project to try to understand the thinking and emotions of “Israel-friendly” Jews as well as those of “anti-war” US “progressives”, a number of whom have come around to expressing opposition to the worst Zionist “excesses” but have not been able to fully acknowledge the fundamental evil nature of the Zionist settler-colonial racist state.
    I’m struck by the fact that even many US Jews who are extremely critical of Israel and Zionism are unable to free themselves from feeling somehow closer emotionally to Zionist Jews than to “outsiders” who express anti-Zionist views.
    There was an extremely interesting article on the “Mondoweiss” blog the other day. I’d like to recommend it to all DV readers, or better yet, to the editors?

  62. B99 said on July 23rd, 2009 at 6:04pm #

    Mebosa – Constant attacks on Israel? When was that? Israel was so eager to attack its neighbors it started in the pre-state days with its ethnic cleansing campaign of 47 – 49, then continued small scale border attacks until its full-fledged attack on Egypt in 1956, then expanded its attack to all surrounding Arab states in 67, then conducted a War of Attrition on Egypt in 1970, then attacked Lebanon from 1979 to 1982 and continued its occupation of that country thereafter (while it had already occupied Egypt, Palestine and Syria), in the meantime it attacked Tunisia and Iraq, launched a full scale attacks and massacres on Lebanon again in 2006 and on Gaza ending earlier this year even as it continues to occupy the rest of Palestine, a large portion of Syria and a piece of Lebanon. The Arabs have never attacked Israel.

    I do hope Israel disappears – in the sense that it evolves into a state of all its citizens and gives up the racial oppression and Jews-only Apartheid laws. We can call it Palestein – what d’ya say?

    I notice you don’t refute my brief outline of a segment of Israeli/Palestine history. If you care I can fill you in with a LOT more detail.

    BTW – I’m not a so-called ‘self hating Jew.’ I come from a line of people that have no history of oppression of Jews – and am not a Jew myself. I just happened to grow up in NYC, the seat of Semitism and got the wise advice of an Egyptian to study the conflict. Now there’s nothing you can say that I can’t refute with the truth.

  63. mebosa ritchie said on July 23rd, 2009 at 11:58pm #

    If you care I can fill you in with a LOT more detail.

    go on b99 fill us all in. it will give you something to do and you’ll feel better getting it off your chest

  64. Mulga Mumblebrain said on July 24th, 2009 at 2:03am #

    B99, we all know how the Zionists operate. They are the masters and mistresses of the Big Lie. The prophet of the Big Lie, ironically enough, was Adolph Hitler (another nasty twist of history). He advised, in Mein Kampf I believe, that when telling a lie, for political advantage, it is best to tell a really big one. He believed that the average human was basically honest or saw honesty as something admirable (clearly not Zionists!)and that they would not believe that anyone could be so impudent, so audacious, as to tell such whoppers. As our Zionist betters are nothing if not audacious, impudent and arrogant. and as they believe that they are set above the rest of humanity (as their total contempt for the UN and international law makes plain)lying with gusto comes to them as naturally as breathing. I tender mebosa and jon s as evidence in support of this assertion.

  65. B99 said on July 24th, 2009 at 6:12am #

    Mulga – And I think it was Stalin who said & I’ll paraphrase here: A few deaths, it’s murder, thousands of deaths, it’s a statistic.

  66. Danny Ray said on July 24th, 2009 at 7:07am #

    B99. It was “one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic”

  67. B99 said on July 24th, 2009 at 7:10am #

    yeah Danny Ray – that’s a lot better than how I remembered it.

  68. Danny Ray said on July 24th, 2009 at 7:21am #

    BTW that can not be attributed to Uncle Joe There is no record of him actually saying that. it appeared in Pravda in 87

  69. mary said on July 24th, 2009 at 7:31am #

    I am reinforcing what B99 wrote on 22nd July at 4pm about the connections of the Zionists to the Nazis.

    This is from Ralph Schoenman’s book Hidden History of Zionism
    Chapter 6 – Zionism and the Jews
    http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman

  70. B99 said on July 24th, 2009 at 7:51am #

    Thanks for the confirmation Mary. Because I’ve known this stuff so long I don’t always know how I know it. I’m aware of the Schoenman book but I have yet to pick it up. This will prompt me.

  71. jon s said on July 24th, 2009 at 11:06am #

    B99,
    “The Arabs never attacked Israel” – who are you kidding?
    I noticed that on your list you cleverly left out the Yom Kippur War of 1973, when Egypt and Syria launched a joint surprise attack. Even you couldn’t claim otherwise.
    The rest of your list reflects your typical one-sided , imbalanced approach.

  72. mary said on July 24th, 2009 at 11:19am #

    I notice that the issue of the relationships between the Zionists and the Nazis is bypassed/avoided/ignored.

  73. jon s said on July 24th, 2009 at 12:14pm #

    What “relationship”? What are you talking about? The “relationship” between the murderers and a movement that was ineffective and helpless to prevent the catastrophe? That just about sums it up.

  74. B99 said on July 24th, 2009 at 12:45pm #

    Jon – No, the relationship between Revisionist Zionists and Mussolini’s fascist Italy, between Rev Zions in Austria and that country’s Nazis, and finally between the Rev Zions and Hitler’s Germany – with which they were on such friendly terms they did business with them virtually up to the start of the War.

    The positions the Revisionists took were a betrayal of Jews. The Revisionists were ultranationalists of the same creed as the Nazis – it just never occurred to them that Hitler had other plans for them rather than just helping them to transport Jews to Palestine. They woke up too late. Not that Ben Gurion was much better. He preferred that Jewish children die rather than be sent anywhere other than Palestine.

  75. B99 said on July 24th, 2009 at 12:53pm #

    Jon – How astute of you to notice that I left 1973 out! But of course that was intentional. Egypt and Syria indeed started the ’73 war – but it was not an attack on Egypt but instead on Israeli-held positions in Israeli-OCCUPIED Egypt and Syria.

    I stand by my accounting of the wars. And you KNOW Israel attacked Egypt outright in ’56.

  76. B99 said on July 24th, 2009 at 12:55pm #

    Correction- See the asterisks – *Israel* (not Egypt)

    Jon – How astute of you to notice that I left 1973 out! But of course that was intentional. Egypt and Syria indeed started the ‘73 war – but it was not an attack on *Israel* but instead on Israeli-held positions in Israeli-OCCUPIED Egypt and Syria.

    I stand by my accounting of the wars. And you KNOW Israel attacked Egypt outright in ‘56.

  77. mary said on July 24th, 2009 at 2:17pm #

    Off the current topic but here’s an unpleasant story. If these were Muslim clerics, the story would be all over our newspapers and TV channels. There is no mention of it in the UK media.

    http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/07/24/gilad-atzmon-time-to-talk-about-the-rise-of-jewish-crime/

    Time to Talk about the Rise of Jewish Crime?
    By Gilad Atzmon • Jul 24th

    “I am what you call a matchmaker,” Rosenbaum is quoted as saying at a July 13 meeting with the two undercover agents.

    “I’m doing this a long time,” the complaint says Rosenbaum told the two agents. He then added: “Let me explain to you one thing. It’s illegal to buy or sell organs. … So you cannot buy it. What you do is, you’re giving a compensation for the time.”

    As we learn from Liberal Democrat Shadow Home Secretary Chris Huhne that “Britain is setting a shameful new record in anti-Semitic incidents this year,” we also happen to be informed by every press outlet about the massive New Jersey Corruption Sweep: A shocking tale of money-laundering and human organ trading led by a bunch of Rabbis.

    The NY Times reports “It was replete with tales of the illegal sales of body parts; of furtive negotiations in diners, parking lots and boiler rooms”. In an article titled the “Jewish Launderette” the Israeli Ynet takes it further providing the juicy details. “The FBI raided synagogues and arrested a few Rabbis. One of those who are held in custody is Rabbi Yitzchak Levi Rosenbaum of Brooklyn who is suspected of trading in body parts. He is charged with a decade-long activity selling kidneys, exploiting both ill and poor donators. He would convince a donator to sell his kidney for $10.000. Rabbi Levi Rosenbaum would then sell the kidney to the needy for $160.000.”

    I may raise the inevitable question here, can you imagine your local priest or Imam trading in ‘body parts’? Can you think of a Muslim cleric or a pastor trying to buy your kidney or sell you one in a ‘parking lot’ or in a ‘diner’?

    I do not think so.

    Here is my suggestion to Liberal Democrat Shadow Home Secretary and everyone else who happens to be ‘concerned’ with the ‘rise of anti-Semitism’.

    In the light of Israeli brutality, the conviction of gross swindler Madoff and the latest images of Rabbis being taken away by FBI agents, it is about time we stop discussing the rise of anti-Semitism and start to elaborate on the rise of Jewish Crime.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~There are live links in the original. The rise in anti-Semitism in the UK is being attributed to the recent Israeli offensive on Gaza, Operation Cast Lead.

  78. Mulga Mumblebrain said on July 24th, 2009 at 3:36pm #

    mary, we all know how the Zionists and their bought and paid for political stooges define ‘anti-Semitism’. That it is present whenever a goy hestitates for a second to sing Israel, or Judaism or any particular ‘Chosen Person’s’ praises, or dares express sympathy for the ‘terrorwists’ in Gaza, or their ‘suicide spawn’ as I recently saw one of the local Zionazis describe Gazan children. And haven’t the shennanigans in Noo Joysey beautifully illustrated B99′s observations concerning the Judaic organ trade. One of the malignant results of Israel establishing itself as a rogue state in absolute contempt of international law and the real ‘international community’ of the Israeli detested UN General Assembly, is that Israel has become a centre of organised crime. From the blood diamond trade in Africa, to drug running, human trafficking, industrial espionage, money laundering and arms shipments to any group willing to pay, Israel is a centre of every type of malfeasance. And they have the easiest method for diverting attention from this organised crime wave. You guessed it-just start screeching ‘Anti-Semite’ over and over again, until it all goes away.

  79. B99 said on July 25th, 2009 at 11:06am #

    These rabbis were Syrian-Jews, I understand. So imagine, as Mary suggests they were Muslim clerics – say, Syrian Muslim clerics. And Syria is an ally of Iran. Ah, the Iranian connection. Bad people, bad country. bad religion – bomb them. And bomb Syria too.

    I got lucky bringing up the Israeli organ trade just as their brethren in Brooklyn and Jersey are busted doing same. A week later and my story is old hat.

    And yes, Israel is pretty much a blight. The hatred and paranoia towards non-Jews is so strong that they turn to the Torah for guidance – and the Torah tells them – go for it – it is no crime to drug or pilfer from the gentiles. Israel – the ‘Goniff State.’