Comments on: Biden: “Any Sovereign Nation Is Entitled” to Attack Any Other http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/biden-%e2%80%9cany-sovereign-nation-is-entitled%e2%80%9d-to-attack-any-other/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:40:38 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: mary http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/biden-%e2%80%9cany-sovereign-nation-is-entitled%e2%80%9d-to-attack-any-other/#comment-49722 mary Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:41:29 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9037#comment-49722 Dog training for the new puppy in the White House. Sit Obama. Stay. Fetch. Come. Sit. Lie down. Now roll over Obama. Good dog. Barack Obama meets Jewish leaders over 'tough line' on Israel: President Barack Obama has called a meeting with leaders of American Jewish groups who are concerned at his new tough line on Israel and perceived softness on Iran. http://snipurl.com/n5wt7 Dog training for the new puppy in the White House.

Sit Obama. Stay. Fetch. Come. Sit. Lie down. Now roll over Obama. Good dog.

Barack Obama meets Jewish leaders over ‘tough line’ on Israel:
President Barack Obama has called a meeting with leaders of American Jewish groups who are concerned at his new tough line on Israel and perceived softness on Iran.

http://snipurl.com/n5wt7

]]> By: Ismail Zayid http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/biden-%e2%80%9cany-sovereign-nation-is-entitled%e2%80%9d-to-attack-any-other/#comment-49641 Ismail Zayid Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:30:53 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9037#comment-49641 Does this bizarre and extraordinary statement by Biden indicate that he is unaware of international law, or is this an indication that the US and Israel continue to believe that they are above international law?! Does this bizarre and extraordinary statement by Biden indicate that he is unaware of international law, or is this an indication that the US and Israel continue to believe that they are above international law?!

]]> By: bozhidar balkas vancouver http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/biden-%e2%80%9cany-sovereign-nation-is-entitled%e2%80%9d-to-attack-any-other/#comment-49568 bozhidar balkas vancouver Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:37:37 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9037#comment-49568 anent what biden [read: US] has said about the right of any country to attack another i am still on interpretation level. Usually pols mean opposite of what they say or a deliberately vague, inexact, nonspecific, etc. nevertheless, his utterance will be or is now very affective and effective; most likely vitiating in effect. what is much of greater significance is the fact that US does not object to a war on a necesary principle that no land has the right to attack another under no known circumsatances. but the sane and of necessary truth tenet that no land has the right to attack another won't do for US long standing policy of expansionism. with sincere adoption of such principle US wldn'b in afpak, palestine, or iraq. but, dear friends, grave, land, diamond, food robbers are not fret about sanity or principles when preparing to steal. tnx anent what biden [read: US] has said about the right of any country to attack another i am still on interpretation level.
Usually pols mean opposite of what they say or a deliberately vague, inexact, nonspecific, etc.

nevertheless, his utterance will be or is now very affective and effective; most likely vitiating in effect.

what is much of greater significance is the fact that US does not object to a war on a necesary principle that no land has the right to attack another under no known circumsatances.

but the sane and of necessary truth tenet that no land has the right to attack another won’t do for US long standing policy of expansionism.
with sincere adoption of such principle US wldn’b in afpak, palestine, or iraq.
but, dear friends, grave, land, diamond, food robbers are not fret about sanity or principles when preparing to steal. tnx

]]> By: bozhidar balkas vancouver http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/biden-%e2%80%9cany-sovereign-nation-is-entitled%e2%80%9d-to-attack-any-other/#comment-49567 bozhidar balkas vancouver Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:11:58 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9037#comment-49567 mulga, correctly includes 'religions' [cults, to me] in his evaluation of land robbing by the giant and the dwarf. it is a myth that one can have separation of cults from state or politics from 'religion' and cults from expansionism, etc. aren't ?all US pols godfull? Ruling also impious as well as alien cultists such as in afpak, iraq, palestine? tnx mulga,
correctly includes ‘religions’ [cults, to me] in his evaluation of land robbing by the giant and the dwarf.
it is a myth that one can have separation of cults from state or politics from ‘religion’ and cults from expansionism, etc.

aren’t ?all US pols godfull? Ruling also impious as well as alien cultists such as in afpak, iraq, palestine? tnx

]]> By: Govt Watch: Obama File – July 11th 2009 « Lighthouse Patriot Journal http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/biden-%e2%80%9cany-sovereign-nation-is-entitled%e2%80%9d-to-attack-any-other/#comment-49564 Govt Watch: Obama File – July 11th 2009 « Lighthouse Patriot Journal Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:33:51 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9037#comment-49564 [...] regards to the issue concerning Israel and Iran, Vice President Joe Biden stated that the U.S. cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot [...] [...] regards to the issue concerning Israel and Iran, Vice President Joe Biden stated that the U.S. cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot [...]

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/biden-%e2%80%9cany-sovereign-nation-is-entitled%e2%80%9d-to-attack-any-other/#comment-49563 Don Hawkins Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:26:33 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9037#comment-49563 Twist these words Earthling. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way - in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only. Charles Dickens Look again at that dot. That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every “superstar”, every “supreme leader”, every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam. Carl Sagan Twist these words Earthling.

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way – in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only. Charles Dickens

Look again at that dot. That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every “superstar”, every “supreme leader”, every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Carl Sagan

]]> By: Theophilus http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/biden-%e2%80%9cany-sovereign-nation-is-entitled%e2%80%9d-to-attack-any-other/#comment-49562 Theophilus Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:16:56 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9037#comment-49562 It seems to me that you are twisting Mr Biden's words here. We could debate semantics til the cows come home, but it seems to me that he is making the point that the US government should not be dictating the policy choices of other sovereign nations. Rather, those nations choose their own direction, and then the US government acts accordingly. This may be with approval or, even in the case of allied nations, it may be with disapproval. Biden is not saying that he believes Israel has ethical carte blanche to conduct itself however it pleases. And of course international law still applies. If Israel begins to act out of line with perceived American interests, then they do not need US approval to do so, however, you can be sure that Washington will have something to say about it. Of course, it seems likely that in actuality, the Israeli government does consider itself beholden to American policy interests. And it also seems likely that if it reaches the point where Israel launches an attack on Iran, the decision will have been made in collaboration with and with the support of the government in Washington. However, it is essential to the US public image, in the Middle East in particular, to maintain the image of an Israel that is a fully independent actor, and a USA that does not play favourites. It seems to me that you are twisting Mr Biden’s words here. We could debate semantics til the cows come home, but it seems to me that he is making the point that the US government should not be dictating the policy choices of other sovereign nations. Rather, those nations choose their own direction, and then the US government acts accordingly. This may be with approval or, even in the case of allied nations, it may be with disapproval.

Biden is not saying that he believes Israel has ethical carte blanche to conduct itself however it pleases. And of course international law still applies. If Israel begins to act out of line with perceived American interests, then they do not need US approval to do so, however, you can be sure that Washington will have something to say about it.

Of course, it seems likely that in actuality, the Israeli government does consider itself beholden to American policy interests. And it also seems likely that if it reaches the point where Israel launches an attack on Iran, the decision will have been made in collaboration with and with the support of the government in Washington. However, it is essential to the US public image, in the Middle East in particular, to maintain the image of an Israel that is a fully independent actor, and a USA that does not play favourites.

]]> By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/biden-%e2%80%9cany-sovereign-nation-is-entitled%e2%80%9d-to-attack-any-other/#comment-49555 Mulga Mumblebrain Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:26:48 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9037#comment-49555 A new Zionazi toad. Or a new monicker, perhaps. The only countries that bear a distinct similarity to Nazi Germany are Israel and the US. Both see themselves as Herrenvolk, the Israelis directly from their tribal superstitions, the US via the intermediation of the Old Testament. Israel seeks lebensraum in the East in what it unctuously calls 'Judea and Samaria', as if the world ought to be named according to ancient usages of certain 'Chosen' people. One might as well start calling Switzerland Helvetia or Palestine and Israel Canaan. It is, of course, an arrogant assertion of Judaic supremacism, nothing new. Any Ziotoad that compares Iran to Nazi Germeny is obviously setting the scene, as was done with Iraq, for another Holocaust against an Islamic country, another war of aggression (a Nazi crime, but not of the German type alone) and millions more dead men, women and children. Quite clearly there is a type of Zionist, both Judaic and Gentile, whose bloodlust is so hypertrophied that they wish to see as many Moslems slaughtered as possible, and to that end they will lie and dissemble, while vilifying and threatening any who dare oppose them. That a psychopathic state, like Israel, is armed to the teeth with thermo-nuclear weapons, and its more extreme racist and fascist politicians are openly threatening their use, is the greatest danger in the world today. A new Zionazi toad. Or a new monicker, perhaps. The only countries that bear a distinct similarity to Nazi Germany are Israel and the US. Both see themselves as Herrenvolk, the Israelis directly from their tribal superstitions, the US via the intermediation of the Old Testament. Israel seeks lebensraum in the East in what it unctuously calls ‘Judea and Samaria’, as if the world ought to be named according to ancient usages of certain ‘Chosen’ people. One might as well start calling Switzerland Helvetia or Palestine and Israel Canaan. It is, of course, an arrogant assertion of Judaic supremacism, nothing new. Any Ziotoad that compares Iran to Nazi Germeny is obviously setting the scene, as was done with Iraq, for another Holocaust against an Islamic country, another war of aggression (a Nazi crime, but not of the German type alone) and millions more dead men, women and children. Quite clearly there is a type of Zionist, both Judaic and Gentile, whose bloodlust is so hypertrophied that they wish to see as many Moslems slaughtered as possible, and to that end they will lie and dissemble, while vilifying and threatening any who dare oppose them. That a psychopathic state, like Israel, is armed to the teeth with thermo-nuclear weapons, and its more extreme racist and fascist politicians are openly threatening their use, is the greatest danger in the world today.

]]> By: Mac Skiba http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/biden-%e2%80%9cany-sovereign-nation-is-entitled%e2%80%9d-to-attack-any-other/#comment-49543 Mac Skiba Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:35:40 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9037#comment-49543 Your a retard, Im shocked your a professor. Your comparing apples to oranges. Instead of substituting Germany for Israel and Iran for Poland. You should substitute America for Israel and Germany for Iran. If you can go back in time would you not support America attacking Hitlers Germany before he was able to destroy most of Europe killing millions in the process? Your a fool. Your a retard,

Im shocked your a professor. Your comparing apples to oranges. Instead of substituting Germany for Israel and Iran for Poland. You should substitute America for Israel and Germany for Iran. If you can go back in time would you not support America attacking Hitlers Germany before he was able to destroy most of Europe killing millions in the process? Your a fool.

]]> By: lichen http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/biden-%e2%80%9cany-sovereign-nation-is-entitled%e2%80%9d-to-attack-any-other/#comment-49536 lichen Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:51:29 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9037#comment-49536 Not to mention there is something called international law that designates aggressive war as illegal and does not consider the paranoid, psychotic propaganda of Israeli politicians constitutes an act of war by Iran. What a scumbag! Israel doesn't have a right to do any such thing! And remember how clinton screamed in public that if Iran attacked Israel with mythical nuclear weapons, she would destroy the entire country? Where is Iran's 'right' to do whatever? And what about North Korea? It seems we have a few 'super-sovereign' nations in the world, and everyone else is just a bunch of criminal peasants. Not to mention there is something called international law that designates aggressive war as illegal and does not consider the paranoid, psychotic propaganda of Israeli politicians constitutes an act of war by Iran. What a scumbag! Israel doesn’t have a right to do any such thing! And remember how clinton screamed in public that if Iran attacked Israel with mythical nuclear weapons, she would destroy the entire country? Where is Iran’s ‘right’ to do whatever? And what about North Korea? It seems we have a few ’super-sovereign’ nations in the world, and everyone else is just a bunch of criminal peasants.

]]> By: mary http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/biden-%e2%80%9cany-sovereign-nation-is-entitled%e2%80%9d-to-attack-any-other/#comment-49525 mary Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:10:36 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=9037#comment-49525 Well said Professor Leupp. Here are the White House Zionists in a photo with Erekat who is no doubt selling his countrymen down the river yet again. http://www.daylife.com/photo/0a9O0t3ewQamq?q=Saeb+Erekat (Other photos on the page) Well said Professor Leupp.

Here are the White House Zionists in a photo with Erekat who is no doubt selling his countrymen down the river yet again.

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0a9O0t3ewQamq?q=Saeb+Erekat

(Other photos on the page)

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