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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/a-revered-president-a-non-existent-society/#comment-51951</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article! I am a part of  what you termed the &quot;conservative anti-war movement&quot;. However, I would not hesitate to support Greens or independants like Nader, Mckinney, and Jesse Ventura. It is my opinion that Greens could be well served by adopting the &quot;Ron Paul model&quot; of infiltrating the Republicrat party. Maybe if peace loving/police state hating Greens and peace loving/police state hating Conservatives/Libertarians can take over the Democrat and Repiblican parties, we can finally have an honest ideological debate in this country. Still, good luck in the third party route. It is difficult but not impossible!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! I am a part of  what you termed the &#8220;conservative anti-war movement&#8221;. However, I would not hesitate to support Greens or independants like Nader, Mckinney, and Jesse Ventura. It is my opinion that Greens could be well served by adopting the &#8220;Ron Paul model&#8221; of infiltrating the Republicrat party. Maybe if peace loving/police state hating Greens and peace loving/police state hating Conservatives/Libertarians can take over the Democrat and Repiblican parties, we can finally have an honest ideological debate in this country. Still, good luck in the third party route. It is difficult but not impossible!</p>
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		<title>By: rick</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/a-revered-president-a-non-existent-society/#comment-50828</link>
		<dc:creator>rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max,
This is just my opinion,  I still think the freedom-movement is important and key and not to be discounted.
I agree on working the things you speak of as we still are able to but-
The society I believe they have planned for us
is one feudal in nature.  All you write about might not be achievable without liberty.   Their goal is a control grid of the finest granularity.   I have seen much of the technologies they will be employing  in my 26 year career as network engineer for a fortune 50 company.   I&#039;m not a conspiracy theorist... More an AGENDA ANALYST.  The thing the government hates more than anything is our independence and self-sufficiency.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max,<br />
This is just my opinion,  I still think the freedom-movement is important and key and not to be discounted.<br />
I agree on working the things you speak of as we still are able to but-<br />
The society I believe they have planned for us<br />
is one feudal in nature.  All you write about might not be achievable without liberty.   Their goal is a control grid of the finest granularity.   I have seen much of the technologies they will be employing  in my 26 year career as network engineer for a fortune 50 company.   I&#8217;m not a conspiracy theorist&#8230; More an AGENDA ANALYST.  The thing the government hates more than anything is our independence and self-sufficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: russell olausen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/a-revered-president-a-non-existent-society/#comment-50814</link>
		<dc:creator>russell olausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the U.S. of A was only of  the North American continent it would be an empire. As it is today it is vastly more than just a continental empire.The only politics that you have available to you are the politics of empire. That cute 13 colony story is long gone and it is on to Rome. The only topic big enough for empires is religion and that&#039;s why it is the currant subject that is big enough to carry that 300 lb. gorilla known as war and all the collieries to it.It is a bitter pill to swallow but the N.A. core of the empire is shrinking with every overseas aquisition.Us little people have known as much for a while and just try to work around the nasty parts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the U.S. of A was only of  the North American continent it would be an empire. As it is today it is vastly more than just a continental empire.The only politics that you have available to you are the politics of empire. That cute 13 colony story is long gone and it is on to Rome. The only topic big enough for empires is religion and that&#8217;s why it is the currant subject that is big enough to carry that 300 lb. gorilla known as war and all the collieries to it.It is a bitter pill to swallow but the N.A. core of the empire is shrinking with every overseas aquisition.Us little people have known as much for a while and just try to work around the nasty parts.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/a-revered-president-a-non-existent-society/#comment-50754</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ditto to what Max says . . . and says well.

Don&#039;t get paralyzed by the untouchable stuff.  Work for the health, safety, freedom and full-bellies right where you are.  Learn, teach, share, build relationships, community and solidarity for the transition and for posterity.  Preserve and stock up your pantry while the harvest is coming in as we write.  Get familiar with your city council, become city council.

Start now.

Peace, Resistance, Hope,
Melissa]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto to what Max says . . . and says well.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get paralyzed by the untouchable stuff.  Work for the health, safety, freedom and full-bellies right where you are.  Learn, teach, share, build relationships, community and solidarity for the transition and for posterity.  Preserve and stock up your pantry while the harvest is coming in as we write.  Get familiar with your city council, become city council.</p>
<p>Start now.</p>
<p>Peace, Resistance, Hope,<br />
Melissa</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/a-revered-president-a-non-existent-society/#comment-50750</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt, I, too, am against the war machine. But that is not the cause, which is why the Conservative Ron Paul &quot;movement&quot; is not the solution.

The problem, so it seems, is not the endless war, and an anti-war movement, nor is it purely the need for a social movement, as in national movement. 

You are right, we live purposelessly from one stuff to another stuff; but the problem must be taken in small doses of &quot;cure&quot;. Focus on local chanage, experiment and new democratic forms of governance. Take pride in building local transformations. Start a local food grocery market, compost and recycle back to local farmers. Support the many purposes of local agriculture, environment services they can and do provide, water filtration and the like. Create land trusts, and renovate residential areas rather than displace the people who live there. Make a local difference.

Change beyond that, is regional, these will take shape as one experiment of success leads to models of change, clusters multiply.

Obama is about the end of the modern industrial society. He&#039;s a waste of time and energy. War will end only when the transformation is complete, when the old empire is gone. We must prepare for what follows...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, I, too, am against the war machine. But that is not the cause, which is why the Conservative Ron Paul &#8220;movement&#8221; is not the solution.</p>
<p>The problem, so it seems, is not the endless war, and an anti-war movement, nor is it purely the need for a social movement, as in national movement. </p>
<p>You are right, we live purposelessly from one stuff to another stuff; but the problem must be taken in small doses of &#8220;cure&#8221;. Focus on local chanage, experiment and new democratic forms of governance. Take pride in building local transformations. Start a local food grocery market, compost and recycle back to local farmers. Support the many purposes of local agriculture, environment services they can and do provide, water filtration and the like. Create land trusts, and renovate residential areas rather than displace the people who live there. Make a local difference.</p>
<p>Change beyond that, is regional, these will take shape as one experiment of success leads to models of change, clusters multiply.</p>
<p>Obama is about the end of the modern industrial society. He&#8217;s a waste of time and energy. War will end only when the transformation is complete, when the old empire is gone. We must prepare for what follows&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: beverly</title>
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		<dc:creator>beverly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can anyone find the freaking antidote for that kool-aid Wendy and 99% of every damn body else keeps swilling?   

I encourage Wendy to keep reading this site along with counterpunch.org, blackagendareport.com, and chris-floyd.com.  A few weeks of fact-based news should cure her delusions and naviete and have her throwing shoes at Barack and Nancy in no time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone find the freaking antidote for that kool-aid Wendy and 99% of every damn body else keeps swilling?   </p>
<p>I encourage Wendy to keep reading this site along with counterpunch.org, blackagendareport.com, and chris-floyd.com.  A few weeks of fact-based news should cure her delusions and naviete and have her throwing shoes at Barack and Nancy in no time.</p>
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		<title>By: B99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/a-revered-president-a-non-existent-society/#comment-50733</link>
		<dc:creator>B99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Activism is useful for its own sake, even if its fruits are never certain, even if we can never know what it takes to galvanize a population to act.  People really should not be passive - it is not enough to discuss things on websites.  Movements can change things - and have. 

If you believe US needs another party then get busy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Activism is useful for its own sake, even if its fruits are never certain, even if we can never know what it takes to galvanize a population to act.  People really should not be passive &#8211; it is not enough to discuss things on websites.  Movements can change things &#8211; and have. </p>
<p>If you believe US needs another party then get busy.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[relying on movements and orgs to change things for better and which  the ruling class doesn`t want to change, appears almost never fruitful.
surely, palestine, afpak, iraq, wmd; no heatlh care,  right to be infomed,  free higher education, etc.,  prove that.

US needs a second party. Political parties seldom, if ever, melt down or do away with their basic demands, or rather, demand back our inheritance.
and no matter how small second party wld be, let`s say, having one mn voters, it never stops yapping, yelping, screeching, etc.
tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>relying on movements and orgs to change things for better and which  the ruling class doesn`t want to change, appears almost never fruitful.<br />
surely, palestine, afpak, iraq, wmd; no heatlh care,  right to be infomed,  free higher education, etc.,  prove that.</p>
<p>US needs a second party. Political parties seldom, if ever, melt down or do away with their basic demands, or rather, demand back our inheritance.<br />
and no matter how small second party wld be, let`s say, having one mn voters, it never stops yapping, yelping, screeching, etc.<br />
tnx</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/a-revered-president-a-non-existent-society/#comment-50713</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;discombobulated&quot; - Now, there is a word not in everyday usage. Nicely done, Mr. Reichel.

I would like to suggest that the political system is simply too cumbersome as a tool for effective and positive change. It is simply another filter, a barrier. As for presidents and Wall Street and corporate America, these are enormous targets, not prone to change or accessibility.

Instead, why not work with the educated, wealthy class for the change that this country needs. Notice that I said &#039;educated, wealthy&quot; and not educated or wealthy. Paul Newman was a member of this group. There are many others. They are powerful and influential.

One suggestion, though. Ranting will not get you a foot in the door. Nor will poorly thought-out ideas and inarticulate presentations. In short, you will need to work with the gatekeeper system and to have your shit together. Sadly, many Progressives still think that shouting will garner attention. It&#039;s the well-placed whisper that works best.

Rick: Well put. Let&#039;s not forget about the forthcoming reinstatement of the draft.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;discombobulated&#8221; &#8211; Now, there is a word not in everyday usage. Nicely done, Mr. Reichel.</p>
<p>I would like to suggest that the political system is simply too cumbersome as a tool for effective and positive change. It is simply another filter, a barrier. As for presidents and Wall Street and corporate America, these are enormous targets, not prone to change or accessibility.</p>
<p>Instead, why not work with the educated, wealthy class for the change that this country needs. Notice that I said &#8216;educated, wealthy&#8221; and not educated or wealthy. Paul Newman was a member of this group. There are many others. They are powerful and influential.</p>
<p>One suggestion, though. Ranting will not get you a foot in the door. Nor will poorly thought-out ideas and inarticulate presentations. In short, you will need to work with the gatekeeper system and to have your shit together. Sadly, many Progressives still think that shouting will garner attention. It&#8217;s the well-placed whisper that works best.</p>
<p>Rick: Well put. Let&#8217;s not forget about the forthcoming reinstatement of the draft.</p>
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		<title>By: rick</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/a-revered-president-a-non-existent-society/#comment-50654</link>
		<dc:creator>rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wendy  -  Take a swig of that cool-aid for me.
As the insane economic policy takes every cent you own
and the very ones who derailed the economic train fail to wright it
all bets will be off when their clowning culminates in the destruction of the currency, as our young men and women continue their journey into the same meat grinder that has taken our youth through administration after administration.  They aren&#039;t dismantling any of the 14 PERMANENT military bases Bush started in Iraq.  Now Afghanistan, Pakistan and maybe Iran will be the killing fields now.  I detested Bush, Had some hope for Obama, but am becoming convinced he is little more than George Bush - purchased with a Kenyan optimization option...
In fact their fully-adjustable puppet strings are actually the same part number....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy  &#8211;  Take a swig of that cool-aid for me.<br />
As the insane economic policy takes every cent you own<br />
and the very ones who derailed the economic train fail to wright it<br />
all bets will be off when their clowning culminates in the destruction of the currency, as our young men and women continue their journey into the same meat grinder that has taken our youth through administration after administration.  They aren&#8217;t dismantling any of the 14 PERMANENT military bases Bush started in Iraq.  Now Afghanistan, Pakistan and maybe Iran will be the killing fields now.  I detested Bush, Had some hope for Obama, but am becoming convinced he is little more than George Bush &#8211; purchased with a Kenyan optimization option&#8230;<br />
In fact their fully-adjustable puppet strings are actually the same part number&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Obstreperous</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/a-revered-president-a-non-existent-society/#comment-50634</link>
		<dc:creator>Obstreperous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hilarious for Wendy to invoke a love it or leave it position.  How very Bush-like.  That&#039;s not exactly the spirit for enouraging free thought and expression.  It is the type of fascism that you can expect from Crook County politicians and anyone who&#039;d blindly support them.  I agree with the author that we need to overcome the corporate-media sponsored division of Americans and talk to one another with honesty and civility.  Forget about whatever bogey-man of your choosing (Soros, &quot;Wall Streeters&quot;, etc.) you wish to blame for the current situation.  We need to support real ideas that will work in the real world and not grind up the people by subjecting them to the latest political fad.  We then need to instist that whoever is in power listen to us, rather than having to settle for the scraps that they&#039;re willing to feed us.  If Washington will not lead, then they need to be led.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilarious for Wendy to invoke a love it or leave it position.  How very Bush-like.  That&#8217;s not exactly the spirit for enouraging free thought and expression.  It is the type of fascism that you can expect from Crook County politicians and anyone who&#8217;d blindly support them.  I agree with the author that we need to overcome the corporate-media sponsored division of Americans and talk to one another with honesty and civility.  Forget about whatever bogey-man of your choosing (Soros, &#8220;Wall Streeters&#8221;, etc.) you wish to blame for the current situation.  We need to support real ideas that will work in the real world and not grind up the people by subjecting them to the latest political fad.  We then need to instist that whoever is in power listen to us, rather than having to settle for the scraps that they&#8217;re willing to feed us.  If Washington will not lead, then they need to be led.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting to see the president referred to as &#039;President Osama&#039; in the first line. I must say that is very unprofessional of Mr. Reichel. This is why his candidates never do successful. 

Americans made up their minds last November, and Barack Obama (with a &#039;b&#039;, not an &#039;s&#039;) was the winning choice by a good margin. I see from the mini-bio that Mr. Reichel was a congressional candidate for 3 months. Guess he couldn&#039;t survive Election Day, like attention-hungry Cindy Sheehan, who only received an irrelevant 17 percent of the vote against Speaker Nancy Pelosi. That is a sad result considering Cindy carpetbagged her way into San Francisco, also known as one of America&#039;s biggest anti-war cities. Now she has lost all credibility by hosting a radio show in the Bay Area on  Green 960 AM, even though she continuously speaks out against corporate media. Oh yeah, did I mention Green 960 AM is a Clear Channel-owned station?

America is better off with leaders like Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi. We will recover economically, and we will continue to bring the troops home with our beloved Democratic Party. If anybody doesn&#039;t like our president, then move to Canada, because Obama is ours until January 2017, like it or not.

Peace on Earth.
Wendy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting to see the president referred to as &#8216;President Osama&#8217; in the first line. I must say that is very unprofessional of Mr. Reichel. This is why his candidates never do successful. </p>
<p>Americans made up their minds last November, and Barack Obama (with a &#8216;b&#8217;, not an &#8216;s&#8217;) was the winning choice by a good margin. I see from the mini-bio that Mr. Reichel was a congressional candidate for 3 months. Guess he couldn&#8217;t survive Election Day, like attention-hungry Cindy Sheehan, who only received an irrelevant 17 percent of the vote against Speaker Nancy Pelosi. That is a sad result considering Cindy carpetbagged her way into San Francisco, also known as one of America&#8217;s biggest anti-war cities. Now she has lost all credibility by hosting a radio show in the Bay Area on  Green 960 AM, even though she continuously speaks out against corporate media. Oh yeah, did I mention Green 960 AM is a Clear Channel-owned station?</p>
<p>America is better off with leaders like Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi. We will recover economically, and we will continue to bring the troops home with our beloved Democratic Party. If anybody doesn&#8217;t like our president, then move to Canada, because Obama is ours until January 2017, like it or not.</p>
<p>Peace on Earth.<br />
Wendy</p>
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