Comments on: The Main Result of the “War on Terror” http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-main-result-of-the-%e2%80%9cwar-on-terror%e2%80%9d/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:30:43 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-main-result-of-the-%e2%80%9cwar-on-terror%e2%80%9d/#comment-47384 Mulga Mumblebrain Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:47:13 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8489#comment-47384 Kalidas, I think you mean 'We are all Likudniks now'. To understand what is going on in Pakistan we must go to the source of all the disruption across the Near and Middle east-Israel. The destruction of Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and Pakistan, with Iran, Syria and Lebanon and possibly Eritrea and Qatar clearly in the bomb-sights, is the result of Judeofascist machinations that go back a long, long way. Oded Yinon's 'A Zionist Plan for the Middle East', and Netanyahu et al's 'A Clean Break' both outlined plans to establish total Israeli hegemony over the Middle East by smashing the Arab states and Iran and Pakistan into powerless statelets along ethnic and religious lines. As the Zionazis partake, even if not religiously fundamentalist themselves, in the ideology of absolute Judaic supremacy over the 'human animals' of the Arab and other Islamic countries of the region, the gigantic civilian death-toll this project will inescapably cause is a matter of no concern whatsoever. Once Israel totally dominates the region, it can get on with finishing the Zionist project to establish Eretz Yisrael ' from the Nile to the Euphrates', as their febrile mythological ideology tells them is their God-given right. While many good and decent Israelis and other Jews would not have a bar of such a maniacal project, their opinions are as irrelevant as those of all other decent minorities throughout the Western world. In Israel the Judaic Taliban of the settler movement and their ideological allies and allies of convenience like Avigdor Lieberman and Netanyahu in the Knesset call the shots. Iraq was the first target of the Zionist Plan, after Lebanon, although Lebanon has ended very badly with Hezbollah, a creation of the savagery of the Israeli occupation of South Lebanon, about to take power, rallying the Arab street by their two defeats of Israel and rolling up Israel's spy and Quisling networks, with the complicity of Israel in the killing of Rafik Hariri a very real possibility to be revealed soon. No doubt Israel will confect an excuse to obliterate Lebanon from the air, to show their displeasure, but Hezbollah will remain a scourge for their back that they themselves created. The Israelis have been using their puppet hyperpower, the US, to do their dirty work for them. After all the US ruling elite loves nothing better than making big bucks out of obliterating women and children, and they approach the task with gusto. Apparently the US is populated, at least in large part, by monsters in human form who see the killing of millions of innocent Islamic civilians as justified by the deaths of 3,000 US citizens, in an attack almost certainly a 'false-flag operation' with Mossad and the CIA the prime suspects in any rational analysis. Pakistan is being rent asunder for no greater reason than visceral hatred of Moslems. Its ruling elites have slavishly served the US, destabilising Afghanistan in pursuit of Cold War goals, helping set up al Qaeda for the task and loyally following orders. The infamous ISI is a security asset of the CIA, with Washington retaining a veto over the appointment of its head. A recent effort by the current Pakistani Government to bring the ISI under civilian control was quashed by Washington. So in Pakistan we are simply seeing a new front open up in the Israeli/US War of Terror against the Moslem world. The US is a deeply corrupt, unequal, sham democracy, governed by a ruthless, insatiably avaricious and hereditary parasitic elite. To keep the lumpen patsies quiet, as their wages sink into the mire, as the country is mortgaged forever to the banksters of Wall Street and as the neo-feudal reality of inter-generational debt peonage reveals itself, the Yankee ruling class needs an external 'enemy' to rally the suckers. One of Gorbachev's many errors was to imagine that he could change the US by 'taking away its enemy'. For the psychopathic US ruling elite, everyone is the enemy, even one another. Today it is Islam, and Chavez,Morales and Russia, tomorrow it will be China. If they realise their dream of installing compliant Quislings in every state of the planet, then they will pick on one or the other by rote, to keep their military-industrial complex humming along. If the rest of humanity disappeared, they would turn on each other or scour the cosmos looking for alien 'Injuns' to exterminate. It's the nature of the beast. Murder is the highest expression of the will to dominate, and it's also good for business. Kalidas, I think you mean ‘We are all Likudniks now’. To understand what is going on in Pakistan we must go to the source of all the disruption across the Near and Middle east-Israel.
The destruction of Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and Pakistan, with Iran, Syria and Lebanon and possibly Eritrea and Qatar clearly in the bomb-sights, is the result of Judeofascist machinations that go back a long, long way. Oded Yinon’s ‘A Zionist Plan for the Middle East’, and Netanyahu et al’s ‘A Clean Break’ both outlined plans to establish total Israeli hegemony over the Middle East by smashing the Arab states and Iran and Pakistan into powerless statelets along ethnic and religious lines. As the Zionazis partake, even if not religiously fundamentalist themselves, in the ideology of absolute Judaic supremacy over the ‘human animals’ of the Arab and other Islamic countries of the region, the gigantic civilian death-toll this project will inescapably cause is a matter of no concern whatsoever.
Once Israel totally dominates the region, it can get on with finishing the Zionist project to establish Eretz Yisrael ‘ from the Nile to the Euphrates’, as their febrile mythological ideology tells them is their God-given right. While many good and decent Israelis and other Jews would not have a bar of such a maniacal project, their opinions are as irrelevant as those of all other decent minorities throughout the Western world. In Israel the Judaic Taliban of the settler movement and their ideological allies and allies of convenience like Avigdor Lieberman and Netanyahu in the Knesset call the shots.
Iraq was the first target of the Zionist Plan, after Lebanon, although Lebanon has ended very badly with Hezbollah, a creation of the savagery of the Israeli occupation of South Lebanon, about to take power, rallying the Arab street by their two defeats of Israel and rolling up Israel’s spy and Quisling networks, with the complicity of Israel in the killing of Rafik Hariri a very real possibility to be revealed soon. No doubt Israel will confect an excuse to obliterate Lebanon from the air, to show their displeasure, but Hezbollah will remain a scourge for their back that they themselves created.
The Israelis have been using their puppet hyperpower, the US, to do their dirty work for them. After all the US ruling elite loves nothing better than making big bucks out of obliterating women and children, and they approach the task with gusto. Apparently the US is populated, at least in large part, by monsters in human form who see the killing of millions of innocent Islamic civilians as justified by the deaths of 3,000 US citizens, in an attack almost certainly a ‘false-flag operation’ with Mossad and the CIA the prime suspects in any rational analysis.
Pakistan is being rent asunder for no greater reason than visceral hatred of Moslems. Its ruling elites have slavishly served the US, destabilising Afghanistan in pursuit of Cold War goals, helping set up al Qaeda for the task and loyally following orders. The infamous ISI is a security asset of the CIA, with Washington retaining a veto over the appointment of its head. A recent effort by the current Pakistani Government to bring the ISI under civilian control was quashed by Washington.
So in Pakistan we are simply seeing a new front open up in the Israeli/US War of Terror against the Moslem world. The US is a deeply corrupt, unequal, sham democracy, governed by a ruthless, insatiably avaricious and hereditary parasitic elite. To keep the lumpen patsies quiet, as their wages sink into the mire, as the country is mortgaged forever to the banksters of Wall Street and as the neo-feudal reality of inter-generational debt peonage reveals itself, the Yankee ruling class needs an external ‘enemy’ to rally the suckers. One of Gorbachev’s many errors was to imagine that he could change the US by ‘taking away its enemy’. For the psychopathic US ruling elite, everyone is the enemy, even one another. Today it is Islam, and Chavez,Morales and Russia, tomorrow it will be China. If they realise their dream of installing compliant Quislings in every state of the planet, then they will pick on one or the other by rote, to keep their military-industrial complex humming along. If the rest of humanity disappeared, they would turn on each other or scour the cosmos looking for alien ‘Injuns’ to exterminate. It’s the nature of the beast. Murder is the highest expression of the will to dominate, and it’s also good for business.

]]> By: lichen http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-main-result-of-the-%e2%80%9cwar-on-terror%e2%80%9d/#comment-47321 lichen Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:56:58 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8489#comment-47321 "this generation is ignorant ..this is the nintendo/wee/playstation/guitar hero LAZY GENERATION …no morals…they spend hours behind a video game…when in the 60’s people were asking questions …and rebelling…" It too greatly object to these words; a small amount of people in the 60's were asking questions and rebelling; the rest of them were sitting at home drinking beer and gluing themselves to the television; as a great deal of the baby boomers do right up until today. Clearly you know nothing about this generation, have little to no contact with us, and want to pretend that yours did not have any recreational activities (as if drugs and rock music festivals were really 'politically aware activities.') I know plenty of people who have played video games sometimes but are still quite aware, and no, not interested in conforming to outdated christian "morals." As if the generation of old people didn't deplore the young people in the 60's for having "no morals!" Listen to yourself... “this generation is ignorant ..this is the nintendo/wee/playstation/guitar hero LAZY GENERATION …no morals…they spend hours behind a video game…when in the 60’s people were asking questions …and rebelling…”

It too greatly object to these words; a small amount of people in the 60’s were asking questions and rebelling; the rest of them were sitting at home drinking beer and gluing themselves to the television; as a great deal of the baby boomers do right up until today. Clearly you know nothing about this generation, have little to no contact with us, and want to pretend that yours did not have any recreational activities (as if drugs and rock music festivals were really ‘politically aware activities.’) I know plenty of people who have played video games sometimes but are still quite aware, and no, not interested in conforming to outdated christian “morals.” As if the generation of old people didn’t deplore the young people in the 60’s for having “no morals!” Listen to yourself…

]]> By: amine http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-main-result-of-the-%e2%80%9cwar-on-terror%e2%80%9d/#comment-47318 amine Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:07:23 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8489#comment-47318 reply to RG the LG, you are right your article is very informative an A+++, i apologize when i said this new Generation is Lazy and Immoral.. not all , there are still young people that pay attention to what's going on around them than playing video games, i also thank you for making a good point when you referred to the current situation is a product of the society...this absenteism of political activism or involment in making a difference is overshadowed by lack of information, political songs that critisize the government,wars or current control of the media over us will never get airplay: they are too dangerous but songs like " waited,waited on the world to change" by John Meyer " is a typical of what the government wants us to do " sit tight and wait for a change to come " and that is what i was referring to about a portion of this generation i should say which does not speak of every body of course ...as far as if obama going to make a change ? he already proved it ...he did not get elected to make a change regardless of his colour , he was put in power to follow the instructions of his masters..not to think about you and me. reply to RG the LG, you are right your article is very informative an A+++, i apologize when i said this new Generation is Lazy and Immoral.. not all , there are still young people that pay attention to what’s going on around them than playing video games, i also thank you for making a good point when you referred to the current situation is a product of the society…this absenteism of political activism or involment in making a difference is overshadowed by lack of information, political songs that critisize the government,wars or current control of the media over us will never get airplay: they are too dangerous but songs like ” waited,waited on the world to change” by John Meyer ” is a typical of what the government wants us to do ” sit tight and wait for a change to come ” and that is what i was referring to about a portion of this generation i should say which does not speak of every body of course …as far as if obama going to make a change ? he already proved it …he did not get elected to make a change regardless of his colour , he was put in power to follow the instructions of his masters..not to think about you and me.

]]> By: kalidas http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-main-result-of-the-%e2%80%9cwar-on-terror%e2%80%9d/#comment-47311 kalidas Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:13:49 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8489#comment-47311 The Main Result of the “War on Terror” "We're all Israelis now." The Main Result of the “War on Terror”

“We’re all Israelis now.”

]]> By: rg the lg http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-main-result-of-the-%e2%80%9cwar-on-terror%e2%80%9d/#comment-47310 rg the lg Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:10:09 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8489#comment-47310 Regarding Ron Paul ... I suppose the libertarians are an alternative. My problem with them is NOT their grasp of foreign policy. With that I generally agree. What I deplore is the idea that capitalism is OK, and worse, that an unfettered market is a good thing. There, I part company. Regarding the comments of amine ... we are in sync until you denigrate the current generation as lazy and immoral. They are a lot of things, but they are also a direct reflection of the society they live in. There is, whether we like the idea or not, the hope that their generation will bring down the empire by simply playing along ... by being passively aggressive. Some are gun-happy and violent ... but most, to their credit, simply do not give a shit and live for the moment. RG the LG Regarding Ron Paul …

I suppose the libertarians are an alternative. My problem with them is NOT their grasp of foreign policy. With that I generally agree.

What I deplore is the idea that capitalism is OK, and worse, that an unfettered market is a good thing.

There, I part company.

Regarding the comments of amine … we are in sync until you denigrate the current generation as lazy and immoral. They are a lot of things, but they are also a direct reflection of the society they live in. There is, whether we like the idea or not, the hope that their generation will bring down the empire by simply playing along … by being passively aggressive. Some are gun-happy and violent … but most, to their credit, simply do not give a shit and live for the moment.

RG the LG

]]> By: Subversify http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-main-result-of-the-%e2%80%9cwar-on-terror%e2%80%9d/#comment-47308 Subversify Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:20:50 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8489#comment-47308 One wonders what good the United States will have in fighting a people who are unplugged from western sensibilities and not exposed to alterative methods of thought. It would seem that that long-term security for the world will be found in education, breaking the hold of backwards tribalism from the minds of an isolated people. It means subverting a culture for security. And to a degree, this was being tried in Afghanistan in secured zones. And perhaps this is the biggest problem, the notion that freeing the minds of men can only be enforced by the war machine of a foreign power. One wonders what good the United States will have in fighting a people who are unplugged from western sensibilities and not exposed to alterative methods of thought. It would seem that that long-term security for the world will be found in education, breaking the hold of backwards tribalism from the minds of an isolated people. It means subverting a culture for security. And to a degree, this was being tried in Afghanistan in secured zones. And perhaps this is the biggest problem, the notion that freeing the minds of men can only be enforced by the war machine of a foreign power.

]]> By: Mike G http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-main-result-of-the-%e2%80%9cwar-on-terror%e2%80%9d/#comment-47288 Mike G Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:14:12 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8489#comment-47288 Rg the Lp, well said, but there was a choice in 2008, it was Ron Paul. I'm sure they would have had him shot if he had a chance of winning, but it was THE choice. The blackbush or Mclame were both fool choices. Rg the Lp, well said, but there was a choice in 2008, it was Ron Paul.

I’m sure they would have had him shot if he had a chance of winning, but it was THE choice. The blackbush or Mclame were both fool choices.

]]> By: amine http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-main-result-of-the-%e2%80%9cwar-on-terror%e2%80%9d/#comment-47283 amine Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:13:23 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8489#comment-47283 i agree with rg the lg... the Americans still think this is a democracy and they are free especially the right to vote and make a change, we don't even count as voters..i never voted not because i do not care ...but i realized it is a waiste of my time , this country belongs to board of few trilionaires...they pull the srtings of bush , obama,cheney..etc...you vote or not ..you will not and never count...so stopping this empire from invading Iraq , Afghanistan , dropping drones on civilians in Pakistan is up to them not to you or me . you can refuse to go like back in the 60's but today is different..this generation is ignorant ..this is the nintendo/wee/playstation/guitar hero LAZY GENERATION ...no morals...they spend hours behind a video game...when in the 60's people were asking questions ...and rebelling...the army is filled with fools and ignorants that think carrying a gun and shooting innocents is heroic...open your mouth in your community and say " stop the war"..you will be labeled unpatrioric,terrorist,hippie...go figure. what needs done...spread peace..buy American...never believe Fox,CNN. i agree with rg the lg… the Americans still think this is a democracy and they are free especially the right to vote and make a change, we don’t even count as voters..i never voted not because i do not care …but i realized it is a waiste of my time , this country belongs to board of few trilionaires…they pull the srtings of bush , obama,cheney..etc…you vote or not ..you will not and never count…so stopping this empire from invading Iraq , Afghanistan , dropping drones on civilians in Pakistan is up to them not to you or me . you can refuse to go like back in the 60’s but today is different..this generation is ignorant ..this is the nintendo/wee/playstation/guitar hero LAZY GENERATION …no morals…they spend hours behind a video game…when in the 60’s people were asking questions …and rebelling…the army is filled with fools and ignorants that think carrying a gun and shooting innocents is heroic…open your mouth in your community and say ” stop the war”..you will be labeled unpatrioric,terrorist,hippie…go figure. what needs done…spread peace..buy American…never believe Fox,CNN.

]]> By: brian http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-main-result-of-the-%e2%80%9cwar-on-terror%e2%80%9d/#comment-47275 brian Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:27:18 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8489#comment-47275 The war on terror is awar OF terror, the better to justify US military attacks and occupations....The medias role is in public relations,to provide the cover and justification for what the thugs do. The war on terror is awar OF terror, the better to justify US military attacks and occupations….The medias role is in public relations,to provide the cover and justification for what the thugs do.

]]> By: rg the lg http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-main-result-of-the-%e2%80%9cwar-on-terror%e2%80%9d/#comment-47250 rg the lg Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:49:42 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8489#comment-47250 Well, you did dance all around the real issue: why the Empire, under its new clothes less emperor O'Bushma, is 'going into Pakistan.' They just have NOT been behaving themselves as our clients ought! In fact, they have been just a bit too independent! That is a SIN in the empires view ... and so the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. It certainly isn't a first strike ... I sometimes wonder if the capitalists who demand ever expanding markets realize that attempting to control everything has BLOW BACK? They were hit in Wall Street, but hid behind the Bushian rhetoric of 'they hate us because we are so democratic!' Too bad the 'bosses' with their hands on the levers of power weren't there instead of a bunch of sniveling little underlings doing the bidding of power ... and even being sacrificed on the 'cross of gold.' The owners didn't suffer ... just those poor flunkies. And then, our entire population sits back and let's all of this crap happen because voting is meaningless. We are worse than the USSR ever was about not having any affect on who pulls the strings. We waddle mindlessly down to the voting booth every now and then and pretend we make a choice. Shit ... how f---ing dumb is that? Damn ... and I almost voted for O'Bushma ... but sanity kept my record in tact ... I haven't voted since 1976. And let's face it ... it wouldn't have mattered one whit. We don't have choice ... only apparent choice. We might as well be a single party system for all of the good it does. Oh well, I suppose watching the whole shitterie collapse is something at least. Let's call it entertainment, shall we? Just don't blame me for the behavior of the EMPIRE. I wouldn't have any affect no matter what I did ... ever since my experience in Vietnam I have known that people like me are totally and completely powerless in the face of those who our constitution does protect: the wealthy ... the property owners. Read Madison in the FEDERALIST PAPERS ... it is all there about preventing the masses from hurting the people with money and property ... and, while you are at it, recall, dim as it may be, that people were property ... you know, slaves, women, children ... the underclass and irrelevant. We, you and I, are part and parcel of that owned group. Maybe if enough people begin to realize just how damned irrelevant they are there will be hope for change? Nah ... we have too much to lose ... our homes, cars, junk ... until that is gone, we will be compliant ... maybe bitchy about it all, but ultimately compliant for all that! RG the LG Well, you did dance all around the real issue: why the Empire, under its new clothes less emperor O’Bushma, is ‘going into Pakistan.’ They just have NOT been behaving themselves as our clients ought!

In fact, they have been just a bit too independent! That is a SIN in the empires view … and so the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. It certainly isn’t a first strike …

I sometimes wonder if the capitalists who demand ever expanding markets realize that attempting to control everything has BLOW BACK? They were hit in Wall Street, but hid behind the Bushian rhetoric of ‘they hate us because we are so democratic!’ Too bad the ‘bosses’ with their hands on the levers of power weren’t there instead of a bunch of sniveling little underlings doing the bidding of power … and even being sacrificed on the ‘cross of gold.’ The owners didn’t suffer … just those poor flunkies.

And then, our entire population sits back and let’s all of this crap happen because voting is meaningless. We are worse than the USSR ever was about not having any affect on who pulls the strings. We waddle mindlessly down to the voting booth every now and then and pretend we make a choice. Shit … how f—ing dumb is that?

Damn … and I almost voted for O’Bushma … but sanity kept my record in tact … I haven’t voted since 1976. And let’s face it … it wouldn’t have mattered one whit. We don’t have choice … only apparent choice. We might as well be a single party system for all of the good it does.

Oh well, I suppose watching the whole shitterie collapse is something at least. Let’s call it entertainment, shall we?

Just don’t blame me for the behavior of the EMPIRE. I wouldn’t have any affect no matter what I did … ever since my experience in Vietnam I have known that people like me are totally and completely powerless in the face of those who our constitution does protect: the wealthy … the property owners. Read Madison in the FEDERALIST PAPERS … it is all there about preventing the masses from hurting the people with money and property … and, while you are at it, recall, dim as it may be, that people were property … you know, slaves, women, children … the underclass and irrelevant.

We, you and I, are part and parcel of that owned group.

Maybe if enough people begin to realize just how damned irrelevant they are there will be hope for change? Nah … we have too much to lose … our homes, cars, junk … until that is gone, we will be compliant … maybe bitchy about it all, but ultimately compliant for all that!

RG the LG

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