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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-larger-context-of-the-2009-iranian-elections/#comment-48272</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Jas Petras &amp; Stephen Lendman have excellent articles on this posted on GlobalResearch.ca. BTW, Petras has not so far posted it to his Petras.Lahaine.org site or to his e-list. 

What I&#039;ve been able to find confirms that this by R. Fiyouzat is very solid &amp; objective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Jas Petras &amp; Stephen Lendman have excellent articles on this posted on GlobalResearch.ca. BTW, Petras has not so far posted it to his Petras.Lahaine.org site or to his e-list. </p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve been able to find confirms that this by R. Fiyouzat is very solid &amp; objective.</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-larger-context-of-the-2009-iranian-elections/#comment-48240</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this article is better IMO than the one by Pepe Escobar I found in Antiwar.com.  PE&#039;s take is still worth reading I guess but I should have read the articles in Counterpunch first, esp the one by by Afshin Rattansi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this article is better IMO than the one by Pepe Escobar I found in Antiwar.com.  PE&#8217;s take is still worth reading I guess but I should have read the articles in Counterpunch first, esp the one by by Afshin Rattansi</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-larger-context-of-the-2009-iranian-elections/#comment-48213</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who want to bomb Iran to extinction are now soooo concerned....


http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/16/the-bomb-iran-contingents-newfound-concern-for-the-iranian-people/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who want to bomb Iran to extinction are now soooo concerned&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/16/the-bomb-iran-contingents-newfound-concern-for-the-iranian-people/" rel="nofollow">http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/16/the-bomb-iran-contingents-newfound-concern-for-the-iranian-people/</a></p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-larger-context-of-the-2009-iranian-elections/#comment-48201</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colour revolutions and The Centre for Non-Violent Conflict and its role in the current unrest in Iran:

Back in 2003,we have this:

The nonviolent script for Iran
By Peter Ackerman and Jack DuVall
WASHINGTON - Renewed student-led protests in Tehran should expedite the debate in Washington about Iran. Two questions are being asked: Can protests produce regime change, and what kind of external support would help?
The history of civilian-based movements, like the one now gestating in Iran, shows that agitation in the streets is not enough to topple a government. If US assistance merely adds fuel to the existing fire, and internal opposition is not based on weakening the real sources of the regime&#039;s power, neither will work.
The &quot;people power&quot; revolution in the Philippines, the coalition that ousted Pinochet in Chile, South Africa&#039;s anti-apartheid movement, and civilian movements that felled communist regimes in Poland and Eastern Europe all had common strategic features. They were deliberately nonviolent, proudly indigenous, unified on the basis of practical goals, and dispersed across the map and class lines of the country - and they co-opted the military. [Editor&#039;s note: Due to an editing error, the original version of this opinion piece inaccurately referred to the &quot;people power&quot; revolution in the Philippines as the &quot;Filipinos&#039; power revolution.&quot;]
...

Cheerleading from Washington is not a policy. It makes Iranian protesters appear to be doing America&#039;s bidding, and covert support for violent action would undercut their legitimacy. What&#039;s needed is a more strategic resistance by the Iranian opposition, unified behind clear political goals, backed by broader civilian participation, using tactics that divide the clerics and their military defenders. The Iranian people have the drive, the intelligence, and the capability to make such a strategy work - and that is what the world&#039;s democracies should assist.
• Peter Ackerman is executive producer of the Peabody award-winning documentary, &#039;Bringing Down a Dictator&#039; and chairman of the board of overseers of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy. Jack DuVall is coauthor of &#039;A Force More Powerful: A Century of Nonviolent Conflict&#039; and director of the International Center on Nonviolent Conflict.
http://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/rscs_csmArticle.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colour revolutions and The Centre for Non-Violent Conflict and its role in the current unrest in Iran:</p>
<p>Back in 2003,we have this:</p>
<p>The nonviolent script for Iran<br />
By Peter Ackerman and Jack DuVall<br />
WASHINGTON &#8211; Renewed student-led protests in Tehran should expedite the debate in Washington about Iran. Two questions are being asked: Can protests produce regime change, and what kind of external support would help?<br />
The history of civilian-based movements, like the one now gestating in Iran, shows that agitation in the streets is not enough to topple a government. If US assistance merely adds fuel to the existing fire, and internal opposition is not based on weakening the real sources of the regime&#8217;s power, neither will work.<br />
The &#8220;people power&#8221; revolution in the Philippines, the coalition that ousted Pinochet in Chile, South Africa&#8217;s anti-apartheid movement, and civilian movements that felled communist regimes in Poland and Eastern Europe all had common strategic features. They were deliberately nonviolent, proudly indigenous, unified on the basis of practical goals, and dispersed across the map and class lines of the country &#8211; and they co-opted the military. [Editor's note: Due to an editing error, the original version of this opinion piece inaccurately referred to the "people power" revolution in the Philippines as the "Filipinos' power revolution."]<br />
&#8230;</p>
<p>Cheerleading from Washington is not a policy. It makes Iranian protesters appear to be doing America&#8217;s bidding, and covert support for violent action would undercut their legitimacy. What&#8217;s needed is a more strategic resistance by the Iranian opposition, unified behind clear political goals, backed by broader civilian participation, using tactics that divide the clerics and their military defenders. The Iranian people have the drive, the intelligence, and the capability to make such a strategy work &#8211; and that is what the world&#8217;s democracies should assist.<br />
• Peter Ackerman is executive producer of the Peabody award-winning documentary, &#8216;Bringing Down a Dictator&#8217; and chairman of the board of overseers of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy. Jack DuVall is coauthor of &#8216;A Force More Powerful: A Century of Nonviolent Conflict&#8217; and director of the International Center on Nonviolent Conflict.<br />
<a href="http://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/rscs_csmArticle.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/rscs_csmArticle.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-larger-context-of-the-2009-iranian-elections/#comment-48196</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a sold, balanced and detailed article and I appreciated it very much. Thank you for posting it. God help the people of Iran exercise their own fate in the face of this growing fascist theocracy whose existence is bound- not in the will of the people, but in a militarization of the theocracy and the paramilitary Basiji&#039;s control overoil revenue from Iranian fields increasingly under the control of Chinese financing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a sold, balanced and detailed article and I appreciated it very much. Thank you for posting it. God help the people of Iran exercise their own fate in the face of this growing fascist theocracy whose existence is bound- not in the will of the people, but in a militarization of the theocracy and the paramilitary Basiji&#8217;s control overoil revenue from Iranian fields increasingly under the control of Chinese financing.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dawson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-larger-context-of-the-2009-iranian-elections/#comment-48171</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Kenny, can you read?  This article&#039;s central feature is its emphasis on the theocratic constraints within which all this is happening.  You talk like Reza is some kind of apologist for US aggression.  He is not, obviously.

Meanwhile, it&#039;s tragicomic to watch you tit-for-tat sophomores pooh-pooh electoral fraud and defend the leftist-crushing, closed-trial-staging, corruption-based Ayatollah system.

Sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Kenny, can you read?  This article&#8217;s central feature is its emphasis on the theocratic constraints within which all this is happening.  You talk like Reza is some kind of apologist for US aggression.  He is not, obviously.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, it&#8217;s tragicomic to watch you tit-for-tat sophomores pooh-pooh electoral fraud and defend the leftist-crushing, closed-trial-staging, corruption-based Ayatollah system.</p>
<p>Sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-larger-context-of-the-2009-iranian-elections/#comment-48169</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;all elections are stolen&quot; sounds like the system in place here in the USA. Are not our candidates vetted by the power structure? Aren&#039;t opposition candidates kept out of the national debates thus marginalizing them to complete obscurity?

It&#039;s so hard to look at any country on the planet with a critical eye without the return gaze of hypocracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;all elections are stolen&#8221; sounds like the system in place here in the USA. Are not our candidates vetted by the power structure? Aren&#8217;t opposition candidates kept out of the national debates thus marginalizing them to complete obscurity?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so hard to look at any country on the planet with a critical eye without the return gaze of hypocracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-larger-context-of-the-2009-iranian-elections/#comment-48168</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a massive climb-down from Mr Fiyouzat&#039;s claims of only two days ago of an election &quot;stolen up-front and honestly&quot;! In the immortal words of Marx (Groucho!), &quot;these are my principles and if you don&#039;t like them, I&#039;ve got others&quot;!

Clearly, the &quot;stolen election&quot; story isn&#039;t selling, no doubt because no amount of fraud can turn a defeat into a 65% victory. Regardless of fraud, Ahmadinejad  must have got a clear majority of votes. Thus, all talk of fraud is irrelevant.

&quot;System candidates&quot;: what country has ever elected &quot;anti-system candidates&quot;? Systems evolve and power shifts within the various factions of a system, but systems are overthrown in coups, not elections.
Polls: Mr Fiyouzat defeats his own argument by pointing out that the poll he refers to was conducted weeks before the election.
&quot;Mising&quot; ballots: laughable! A claim by a candidate is not proof of anything! And the mere fact that only part of the electorate voted, a standard event in every country in the world, does not, of itself, raise the slightest suspicion of electoral fraud! The same goes for stamps.
Phone call: a claim by a candidate&#039;s supporter that someone made a phone call is not evidence that the phone call was ever made!

Thus, Mr Fiyouzat provides no evidence of any electoral fraud and, more importantly, of any fraud which might have changed the result. Indeed, the mere fact that his &quot;evidence&quot; is so flimsy discredits his whole thesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a massive climb-down from Mr Fiyouzat&#8217;s claims of only two days ago of an election &#8220;stolen up-front and honestly&#8221;! In the immortal words of Marx (Groucho!), &#8220;these are my principles and if you don&#8217;t like them, I&#8217;ve got others&#8221;!</p>
<p>Clearly, the &#8220;stolen election&#8221; story isn&#8217;t selling, no doubt because no amount of fraud can turn a defeat into a 65% victory. Regardless of fraud, Ahmadinejad  must have got a clear majority of votes. Thus, all talk of fraud is irrelevant.</p>
<p>&#8220;System candidates&#8221;: what country has ever elected &#8220;anti-system candidates&#8221;? Systems evolve and power shifts within the various factions of a system, but systems are overthrown in coups, not elections.<br />
Polls: Mr Fiyouzat defeats his own argument by pointing out that the poll he refers to was conducted weeks before the election.<br />
&#8220;Mising&#8221; ballots: laughable! A claim by a candidate is not proof of anything! And the mere fact that only part of the electorate voted, a standard event in every country in the world, does not, of itself, raise the slightest suspicion of electoral fraud! The same goes for stamps.<br />
Phone call: a claim by a candidate&#8217;s supporter that someone made a phone call is not evidence that the phone call was ever made!</p>
<p>Thus, Mr Fiyouzat provides no evidence of any electoral fraud and, more importantly, of any fraud which might have changed the result. Indeed, the mere fact that his &#8220;evidence&#8221; is so flimsy discredits his whole thesis.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-larger-context-of-the-2009-iranian-elections/#comment-48165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion this has to be one of the best overt covert operations the CIA has done in quite some time. Guess the defense budget requires some kind of justification. Ha, some justice we all are being served.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion this has to be one of the best overt covert operations the CIA has done in quite some time. Guess the defense budget requires some kind of justification. Ha, some justice we all are being served.</p>
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		<title>By: Andres Kargar</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-larger-context-of-the-2009-iranian-elections/#comment-48152</link>
		<dc:creator>Andres Kargar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an article on Iran&#039;s recent elections from a different perspective, including a class analysis of the supporters of Ahmadinejad versus those of Hussein Mosavi:

Iranian History Doesn&#039;t Move in a Straight Line 
by Afshin Rattansi
http://www.counterpunch.org/rattansi06162009.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an article on Iran&#8217;s recent elections from a different perspective, including a class analysis of the supporters of Ahmadinejad versus those of Hussein Mosavi:</p>
<p>Iranian History Doesn&#8217;t Move in a Straight Line<br />
by Afshin Rattansi<br />
<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/rattansi06162009.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/rattansi06162009.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dawson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-larger-context-of-the-2009-iranian-elections/#comment-48125</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Reza.  The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, and human rights and democracy are trans-cultural.  And theocracy is as hostile to secular leftism as is capitalism.  Alas, listening to certain lefties here, you&#039;d never know it.

Thanks for your report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Reza.  The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, and human rights and democracy are trans-cultural.  And theocracy is as hostile to secular leftism as is capitalism.  Alas, listening to certain lefties here, you&#8217;d never know it.</p>
<p>Thanks for your report.</p>
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		<title>By: Taz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-larger-context-of-the-2009-iranian-elections/#comment-48119</link>
		<dc:creator>Taz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article spews out the same old bold-faced lies about Iran that we have become accustomed to hearing on FOX News. For some real analysis, that does more than insult our collective intelligence (which the above article certainly does), the article below by former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, Paul Craig Roberts is a good entry:

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts06162009.html

Last night, the pro-Mousavi camp tried to take over a military depot. Any sane, objective individual would have to ask what citizens (however grief stricken they may be) aim to achieve by taking over a military depot. 

It does show that the annual US budget to promote a velvet revolution in Iran hasn&#039;t gone to waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article spews out the same old bold-faced lies about Iran that we have become accustomed to hearing on FOX News. For some real analysis, that does more than insult our collective intelligence (which the above article certainly does), the article below by former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, Paul Craig Roberts is a good entry:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts06162009.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts06162009.html</a></p>
<p>Last night, the pro-Mousavi camp tried to take over a military depot. Any sane, objective individual would have to ask what citizens (however grief stricken they may be) aim to achieve by taking over a military depot. </p>
<p>It does show that the annual US budget to promote a velvet revolution in Iran hasn&#8217;t gone to waste.</p>
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