Comments on: Political Options for Jerusalem’s Future

By: Barry99

Barry99 — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:58:30 +0000

Sid – The Arab states have an offer on the table since 2002 for full recognition of Israel. Israel rejects because it would mean giving up the land it illegally occupies. The offer is now so long standing that it is dying a slow death.

Did you think Obama or any US prez would come out for a one-state solution?

By: sid wright

sid wright — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:42:21 +0000

i don’t know why obama is so keen for a 2 state solution when it’s not a practical option.
the arab states have to get involved eventually

By: Barry99

Barry99 — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:50:37 +0000

I’d like to think there could be a one-state solution. That, however, will not come before a two-state solution is put into effect. Israeli Jews will never consent to living in a democratic state with gentiles – let alone Arab Muslims. Israel’s plan is to take as much valuable land (and the water beneath it) as possible until all that is left is densely populated Arab cities/towns and barren land. This will be Palestine – the state. Surrounded by Israel, with Israel in control of its air and sea space – and the ingress and egress of goods and people – it will be impoverished, corrupt and fragile – to the point of total failure. At that time, Israel will bite off any more available real estate and make a deal with Jordan and Egypt to take the rest. End of Palestine. Of course, this will not resolve the political problem. There will be more Palestinians than ever – far more than there are Jews. And they will make up much of the Israeli low-level workforce. And Israel will continue to manipulate this majority in a manner similar (but with 21st century technology) to that of Apartheid South Africa. It’s not pretty, but I think it has a fair probability of turning out this way. At least until late in this century.

By: bozh

bozh — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:11:11 +0000

so, it does seem, that if j’lem is not divided, all the other ‘offers’ by US/isr wld be just a part of century-old warprocess; or to be more accurate, a century of land theft.

it also seems that muslim world wld not ever accept israel’s takeover of e. j’lem.
obama had stated that ‘j’lem will not be divided! Did he or, rather, US change its mind about the division?
If not, then what’s up? Another charade!? Or even entrapment? With the usual explanation how palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss and opportunity?
while omitting the fact that each time palestinians miss a golden opportunity, palestina get’s smaller and vilence increases against them.
so, ‘jews’ do think that goyim are that stupid? Or are ‘jews’ intentionally stupid?
still, whatever happens, palestinians wld remain unless US gives ‘jews’ permit for pal’n ‘voluntary’ exodus to a desert s’mwhere?

By: greybeard

greybeard — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:51:19 +0000

The very “success” of creating “facts on the ground” also guarantees the eventual (and obvious) solution: One state for two peoples. Yes, it would deprive the Zionists of their sacred cow, but it would also deprive the Palestinians of ethnically-based nationhood. The two-state solution is dead (with integrated road, electrical and water systems), and apartheid is already the law–color-coded in license plates!!. But the reason a “two state solution” is now the subject on everyone’s mind is, the unthinkable alternative–apartheid, which is already in place and on the verge of falling apart.
Israel will continue to deceive itself and (attempt to deceive) the world, but before any real working settlement is achieved, the Zionists must deal with the incipient civil war on their doorstep–the settlers are truly “crazy” in that they are willing to precipitate civil war for “their cause”. And Zionist leadership encourages them, precisely because their resistance appears to make Zionism all that much stronger. But in fact, this policy which preceded Sharon is merely sowing the seeds of the collapse of Zionism, and (unfortunately) the shedding of a fair amount of blood–both Jewish and Arab. Because the religious Zionists’ goal (i.e., the “Whole Land of Israel”) is truly a plan for disaster, a secular Armageddon. And be sure, American Jewish support will evaporate when Americans refuse to die in their Crusade.