Comments on: Obama’s Afghan Surge and Pakistan http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/obama%e2%80%99s-afghan-surge-and-pakistan/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:55:55 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Shabnam http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/obama%e2%80%99s-afghan-surge-and-pakistan/#comment-48762 Shabnam Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:19:11 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8781#comment-48762 Mulga: Thank you for your contribution. I love your writing and share some of your views. I agree with you when you write: [It has its puppet hyperpower, the US, putting the Zionist Plan for the Middle East, of Oded Yinon, into practice, smashing all the states of the Middle East, as far as Pakistan, into fragments, along deliberately exacerbated ethnic and sectarian lines.] Unfortunately, the closet Zionists never talk about Oded Yinon to keep the audience confused so they can hide Israel’s motifs and her participation in the destabilization project where started decades ago by working among minority groups and training opportunist individuals to put one against the other to partition the regional states including Sudan. I think we will soon witness tension in all of North Africa between ‘Amazigh’ and rest of the population in the region, then you can tell Israel has done a good job and they will tell you Israel only following the order because Israel is a client state. They have just post a petiton supporting the protesters in Iran shows that they also believe, like Israel, t the elections was rigged. Shame. http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m55494&hd=&size=1&l=e Mulga:
Thank you for your contribution. I love your writing and share some of your views. I agree with you when you write:
[It has its puppet hyperpower, the US, putting the Zionist Plan for the Middle East, of Oded Yinon, into practice, smashing all the states of the Middle East, as far as Pakistan, into fragments, along deliberately exacerbated ethnic and sectarian lines.]
Unfortunately, the closet Zionists never talk about Oded Yinon to keep the audience confused so they can hide Israel’s motifs and her participation in the destabilization project where started decades ago by working among minority groups and training opportunist individuals to put one against the other to partition the regional states including Sudan. I think we will soon witness tension in all of North Africa between ‘Amazigh’ and rest of the population in the region, then you can tell Israel has done a good job and they will tell you Israel only following the order because Israel is a client state. They have just post a petiton supporting the protesters in Iran shows that they also believe, like Israel, t the elections was rigged. Shame.

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]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/obama%e2%80%99s-afghan-surge-and-pakistan/#comment-48685 Don Hawkins Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:43:43 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8781#comment-48685 It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way - in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only. Charles Dickens Has it always' been this way for human's? To some degree with varying differences. In the twenty first century oh yes we are there and then some. We became strong and we became weak. We gained more knowledge and traded it in for foolishness. We had nothing before us we had everything before us and we wasted it and asked for more. We have reached the crossroads between light and shadow, between science and superstition. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared is a big one peace or war the last one. Thousands of years we human's have been going in between light and shadow. Look again at that dot. That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every “superstar”, every “supreme leader”, every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam. Carl Sagan Yes thousands of years we human's have been going in between light and shadow and we are there now no more second chances we come to terms with ourselves or we don't and the story doesn't end it's just that we will not be here to read it. Faster is not alway's better. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way – in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only. Charles Dickens

Has it always’ been this way for human’s? To some degree with varying differences. In the twenty first century oh yes we are there and then some. We became strong and we became weak. We gained more knowledge and traded it in for foolishness. We had nothing before us we had everything before us and we wasted it and asked for more. We have reached the crossroads between light and shadow, between science and superstition. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared is a big one peace or war the last one. Thousands of years we human’s have been going in between light and shadow.

Look again at that dot. That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every “superstar”, every “supreme leader”, every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Carl Sagan

Yes thousands of years we human’s have been going in between light and shadow and we are there now no more second chances we come to terms with ourselves or we don’t and the story doesn’t end it’s just that we will not be here to read it. Faster is not alway’s better.

]]> By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/obama%e2%80%99s-afghan-surge-and-pakistan/#comment-48679 Mulga Mumblebrain Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:28:13 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8781#comment-48679 Of course this is a war against Islam. And of course it is run by the Judeofascists and their stooges. In Australia where the media, the News Ltd Group of Murdoch/Moloch in particular, and his flagship for every execrable extreme Right received wisdom one can imagine ,The Australian (aka The Fundament)in particular are replete with enthusiastic Zionasties, vile Islamophobia is on the menu, every day of the week. Opinion pages have been purged, for decades, of any articles that present the Palestinian or Iranian side of any disagreement. I mean totally purged, to a degree that would have pleased Stalin. Of course the occasional Quisling, like some stooge of Abbas, 'President for Life' of the Palestinian Zoo or a 'domesticated' Moslem living in the US or UK, is given the opportunity to please his or her Masters, by damning their own people and kissing the bosses' posterior. Alongside relentless demonisation and denigration of Islam, Arabs and the Palestinians, and the current targets, Iranians, comes truly nauseating and grovelling love for Israel, that paragon of nations. The Herrenvolk obviously prefer really obsequious toadying, and they get it in bucketloads. All known organisations that dare question Israeli perfection in any aspect, whether the UN, Amnesty, Red Cross Medicines sans Frontieres etc, is reviled enthusiastically as 'anti-Semitic'. A favoured target are those brave Jews who raise an objection to enthusiastic child-murder, who are, of course, 'self-hating Jews'. We must surely have reached the point where we can look on the Zionist project with disinterested eyes and come to some rational conclusions. The Jewish power elite, representing themselves mostly, but also that segment of Jewry that really does see themselves as a 'Chosen Race' above the rest of creation, have taken over the West. The US in particular, has a political system entirely controlled by the Judeofascists, a media system dominated by Jews, entertainment and propaganda systems (Hollywood) totally dominated by them and an increasingly powerful financial apparatus also dominated by Friedmanite Jews. Indeed Obama, who was cultivated and promoted from the beginning and throughout his political career by rich, Zionist, Jews, has just handed control of the US financial system entirely over to the Federal Reserve, the private banking cabal. I know this all sounds rather paranoid, but, as it is all easily demonstrable, what is to be done? At present Israel stands above all earthly, human, law. Every day is desecrates every tenet of hard-won humanitarian law in its interminable imprisonment and brutalisation of millions of Palestinians. Its state terrorist apparatus, Mossad, roams the world, killing, subverting and stirring up trouble. It has its puppet hyperpower, the US, putting the Zionist Plan for the Middle East, of Oded Yinon, into practice, smashing all the states of the Middle East, as far as Pakistan, into fragments, along deliberately exacerbated ethnic and sectarian lines. Before long the deaths caused by Zionist evil will have exceeded those of Hitler's abomination against the Jews. So what precisely is to be done as the leaders of one tiny tribe, ensconced in power throughout the upper levels of economic and political power throughout the West, propel the world, with fanatic devotion, towards religious war? We must never forget that zealots in the Judeofascist and 'Christian Zionist' camps actually yearn for the Apocalypse, a war of devastating mass murder against the Infidels, and this genocidal wickedness is answered by the worst Islamic extremists, although most of these are the carefully cultivated offspring of Western policies and deliberate intention over decades. What is plain, to my mind at least, is that the deranged, hate-filled machinations of the Judeofascists and their stooges are the greatest threat of all to Israel and Jewry. Can Israel and The US really imagine that they can level one Islamic country after another, killing hundreds of thousands of women and children, keep entire populations imprisoned for generations, steal the oil and install puppets everywhere, forever? I know that these policies are driven by a ferocious, racist and xenophobic contempt for Moslems, but is it really feasible that the people of the Middle East, not the Quisling toadies, are just going to say, 'Fair cop-what's a few million dead people, beside the joys of acknowledging our inferiority and worshipping our betters in Eretz Yisrael, and relaxing under the benificence of their undoubted superiority in all things'. And an Israel forever a garrison state, lashing out and killing the untermenschen whenever its group paranoia rises high enough, will not stand. Of course this is a war against Islam. And of course it is run by the Judeofascists and their stooges. In Australia where the media, the News Ltd Group of Murdoch/Moloch in particular, and his flagship for every execrable extreme Right received wisdom one can imagine ,The Australian (aka The Fundament)in particular are replete with enthusiastic Zionasties, vile Islamophobia is on the menu, every day of the week.
Opinion pages have been purged, for decades, of any articles that present the Palestinian or Iranian side of any disagreement. I mean totally purged, to a degree that would have pleased Stalin. Of course the occasional Quisling, like some stooge of Abbas, ‘President for Life’ of the Palestinian Zoo or a ‘domesticated’ Moslem living in the US or UK, is given the opportunity to please his or her Masters, by damning their own people and kissing the bosses’ posterior.
Alongside relentless demonisation and denigration of Islam, Arabs and the Palestinians, and the current targets, Iranians, comes truly nauseating and grovelling love for Israel, that paragon of nations. The Herrenvolk obviously prefer really obsequious toadying, and they get it in bucketloads. All known organisations that dare question Israeli perfection in any aspect, whether the UN, Amnesty, Red Cross Medicines sans Frontieres etc, is reviled enthusiastically as ‘anti-Semitic’. A favoured target are those brave Jews who raise an objection to enthusiastic child-murder, who are, of course, ’self-hating Jews’.
We must surely have reached the point where we can look on the Zionist project with disinterested eyes and come to some rational conclusions. The Jewish power elite, representing themselves mostly, but also that segment of Jewry that really does see themselves as a ‘Chosen Race’ above the rest of creation, have taken over the West. The US in particular, has a political system entirely controlled by the Judeofascists, a media system dominated by Jews, entertainment and propaganda systems (Hollywood) totally dominated by them and an increasingly powerful financial apparatus also dominated by Friedmanite Jews. Indeed Obama, who was cultivated and promoted from the beginning and throughout his political career by rich, Zionist, Jews, has just handed control of the US financial system entirely over to the Federal Reserve, the private banking cabal.
I know this all sounds rather paranoid, but, as it is all easily demonstrable, what is to be done? At present Israel stands above all earthly, human, law. Every day is desecrates every tenet of hard-won humanitarian law in its interminable imprisonment and brutalisation of millions of Palestinians. Its state terrorist apparatus, Mossad, roams the world, killing, subverting and stirring up trouble. It has its puppet hyperpower, the US, putting the Zionist Plan for the Middle East, of Oded Yinon, into practice, smashing all the states of the Middle East, as far as Pakistan, into fragments, along deliberately exacerbated ethnic and sectarian lines. Before long the deaths caused by Zionist evil will have exceeded those of Hitler’s abomination against the Jews.
So what precisely is to be done as the leaders of one tiny tribe, ensconced in power throughout the upper levels of economic and political power throughout the West, propel the world, with fanatic devotion, towards religious war? We must never forget that zealots in the Judeofascist and ‘Christian Zionist’ camps actually yearn for the Apocalypse, a war of devastating mass murder against the Infidels, and this genocidal wickedness is answered by the worst Islamic extremists, although most of these are the carefully cultivated offspring of Western policies and deliberate intention over decades.
What is plain, to my mind at least, is that the deranged, hate-filled machinations of the Judeofascists and their stooges are the greatest threat of all to Israel and Jewry. Can Israel and The US really imagine that they can level one Islamic country after another, killing hundreds of thousands of women and children, keep entire populations imprisoned for generations, steal the oil and install puppets everywhere, forever? I know that these policies are driven by a ferocious, racist and xenophobic contempt for Moslems, but is it really feasible that the people of the Middle East, not the Quisling toadies, are just going to say, ‘Fair cop-what’s a few million dead people, beside the joys of acknowledging our inferiority and worshipping our betters in Eretz Yisrael, and relaxing under the benificence of their undoubted superiority in all things’. And an Israel forever a garrison state, lashing out and killing the untermenschen whenever its group paranoia rises high enough, will not stand.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/obama%e2%80%99s-afghan-surge-and-pakistan/#comment-48603 bozh Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:15:26 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8781#comment-48603 it was expected by me that obama wld base his objection to US invasion of iraq on a set of expediencies or rationalization. devil forbid that such an invasion cld be condemned on any principle or even law. since he is solely using rationalizations in his thinking, he can then as quickly OK the aggression on different set of rationalizations. obviously, any rationalization can be bluntly or subtly rationalized away. again, devil forbid, any consideration about any principle that wld not only show but prove that US commited a criminal act by invading afpak and iraq or that is now commiting criminal acts in palestina, afpak, iraq, syria, iran. however, if one uses a principle on waging a war of aggression, one can't supplant it with another or explain it away by rationalization since there is only one truth for all nations regarding aggressions. i mean to say that by necessary truth there must be truth available or else we are done for. what is this desirable/necessary principle which wld preclude ?all wars? the principle is clear and sane: no land has the right to attack another under no known circumstance. Int'l disputes can be adjucated in a court of law; furthermore, UN or the courts can issue warants for individaul leaders who are accused of violating laws or commiting any criminal act. if suspected criminals don't voluntarily appear before court, they can be hunted dwn like dogs or even killed. this wld obviate collective punishment of so many people that do not know what is going on. let us recall that nato had not invaded serbia in order to hunt for mladic or karadzic. Mladic is still lose but without any power because nato is hunting for him and not re-invading serbia in order to nab him. thus no new collective punishmnet for serbs. But even one in '99 was not necssary. regarding 9/11, perhaps only a few pashtuns may have known about the plan to bring dwn the towers. Or may be not even one? natch, every land wld have the right to defend self regardless why it had been attacked. of course, sanity wasn't considered. To my knowledge, not one american had mentioned this principle. well, if you are to murder/rob, sanity wldn't do, wld it! tnx bozhidar balkas vancouver it was expected by me that obama wld base his objection to US invasion of iraq on a set of expediencies or rationalization.

devil forbid that such an invasion cld be condemned on any principle or even law.
since he is solely using rationalizations in his thinking, he can then as quickly OK the aggression on different set of rationalizations.
obviously, any rationalization can be bluntly or subtly rationalized away.
again, devil forbid, any consideration about any principle that wld not only show but prove that US commited a criminal act by invading afpak and iraq or that is now commiting criminal acts in palestina, afpak, iraq, syria, iran.

however, if one uses a principle on waging a war of aggression, one can’t supplant it with another or explain it away by rationalization since there is only one truth for all nations regarding aggressions.
i mean to say that by necessary truth there must be truth available or else we are done for.
what is this desirable/necessary principle which wld preclude ?all wars?
the principle is clear and sane: no land has the right to attack another under no known circumstance.

Int’l disputes can be adjucated in a court of law; furthermore, UN or the courts can issue warants for individaul leaders who are accused of violating laws or commiting any criminal act.

if suspected criminals don’t voluntarily appear before court, they can be hunted dwn like dogs or even killed.
this wld obviate collective punishment of so many people that do not know what is going on.
let us recall that nato had not invaded serbia in order to hunt for mladic or karadzic. Mladic is still lose but without any power because nato is hunting for him and not re-invading serbia in order to nab him.
thus no new collective punishmnet for serbs. But even one in ‘99 was not necssary.
regarding 9/11, perhaps only a few pashtuns may have known about the plan to bring dwn the towers. Or may be not even one?
natch, every land wld have the right to defend self regardless why it had been attacked.

of course, sanity wasn’t considered. To my knowledge, not one american had mentioned this principle.
well, if you are to murder/rob, sanity wldn’t do, wld it!
tnx bozhidar balkas vancouver

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