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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/iran-and-america-the-will-to-change/#comment-48868</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;[Obama] has overthrown the Bush policy, which created abysmal hatred against America — a hatred well exploited by the Iranian regime and its allies.&lt;/i&gt;

Really, he&#039;s done no such thing. He&#039;s put a fresh coat of paint on the same old policies, that&#039;s all.

&lt;i&gt;We should bear in mind, though, that Obama was not elected to make peace in our region, rather to rescue America from the worst economic crisis in eighty years.&lt;/i&gt;

Ditto. 

&lt;i&gt;these two very different processes, in two very different societies, belong nonetheless to the same historical moment: it is a moment of systemic change, with societies converging toward democracy and social justice.&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe in Iran it is, and more power to them. It won&#039;t happen here in the US anytime soon, though... not until a solid majority of the citizens is able to realize that Obama and his ilk are also part of the problem, not the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>[Obama] has overthrown the Bush policy, which created abysmal hatred against America — a hatred well exploited by the Iranian regime and its allies.</i></p>
<p>Really, he&#8217;s done no such thing. He&#8217;s put a fresh coat of paint on the same old policies, that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p><i>We should bear in mind, though, that Obama was not elected to make peace in our region, rather to rescue America from the worst economic crisis in eighty years.</i></p>
<p>Ditto. </p>
<p><i>these two very different processes, in two very different societies, belong nonetheless to the same historical moment: it is a moment of systemic change, with societies converging toward democracy and social justice.</i></p>
<p>Maybe in Iran it is, and more power to them. It won&#8217;t happen here in the US anytime soon, though&#8230; not until a solid majority of the citizens is able to realize that Obama and his ilk are also part of the problem, not the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/iran-and-america-the-will-to-change/#comment-48800</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brian, two party system of rule is OK. Let one be fascist [anywhere from 1-10] and the other socialist [from 1-10] and one wld see enormous changes.
in US, if one has a strong socialist party, the two parties now extant, but exactly the same in all salient aspects of US policies, wld merge.
so the problem in US is the one party rule.
in any case, both wings of one party represent the rich people much more than the rest of the people. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brian, two party system of rule is OK. Let one be fascist [anywhere from 1-10] and the other socialist [from 1-10] and one wld see enormous changes.<br />
in US, if one has a strong socialist party, the two parties now extant, but exactly the same in all salient aspects of US policies, wld merge.<br />
so the problem in US is the one party rule.<br />
in any case, both wings of one party represent the rich people much more than the rest of the people. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/iran-and-america-the-will-to-change/#comment-48797</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Political parties are outlawed, so the choice is among personalitie&#039;

In the US political parties xist but get to choose the candidates..We know how that worked im 2000!
Democracy shouldbe about people (&#039;personalties&#039;)_Not parties. Parties allow demons into power. and prevent people from having any say in government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Political parties are outlawed, so the choice is among personalitie&#8217;</p>
<p>In the US political parties xist but get to choose the candidates..We know how that worked im 2000!<br />
Democracy shouldbe about people (&#8216;personalties&#8217;)_Not parties. Parties allow demons into power. and prevent people from having any say in government.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/iran-and-america-the-will-to-change/#comment-48780</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thre was no vote fraud.and the only schism is that between the haves and have nots:

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2009/06/an-interesting-detail.html
 
Further evidence there was no vote fraud in iran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thre was no vote fraud.and the only schism is that between the haves and have nots:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.moonofalabama.org/2009/06/an-interesting-detail.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.moonofalabama.org/2009/06/an-interesting-detail.html</a></p>
<p>Further evidence there was no vote fraud in iran</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/iran-and-america-the-will-to-change/#comment-48757</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much of this article is very good in that it describes the situation in Iran accurately, without the impetus of americans who think that Iranian&#039;s can&#039;t have their own political movement without the cia being behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of this article is very good in that it describes the situation in Iran accurately, without the impetus of americans who think that Iranian&#8217;s can&#8217;t have their own political movement without the cia being behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/iran-and-america-the-will-to-change/#comment-48754</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is written to express Arabs’ hostile view towards Iran. Mr. Jacob:  do you think Iranian women have less rights compare to women from Saudi Arabia who cannot even drive their own fucking cars?  Do you think workers in Iran have less freedom of assembly than workers in Egypt or Saudi Arabia?  How many Arab women do you see active in politics in the Arab world?     How many times have you seen a mass demonstration like the one we witnessed after the elections based on phony charge of ‘fraud’?   The answer is none.   Does Iran have racist policy regarding religious minorities like Israel have?  The answer is NO.    Why don’t we have   a destabilization plan in Saudi Arabia? Israel?  Or Egypt?   

Iranian people are struggling for democracy and economic prosperity since the end of 19th century to improve their lives.  They have achieved improvement in much area including Sciences, education, health yet the struggle continues.   The struggle of the Iranian people has been greatly influenced by the dirty works of British colonial, American imperialism and now Zionism.  The imperial west has a dark history in each country of the region including Iran.  They have overthrown governments and their leaders whom they found not representing British or American’s interest. 

Qajar dynasty was overthrown to bring a dictator, Reza Shah, to power to set the ‘Westernization’ of Iran like in Turkey in motion.  British had control over the Iranian oil and resources. Their own puppet, Reza Shah, was overthrown in 1945, not because of his corruption and autocratic rule rather because he was not obedient enough since he announced Iran’s neutrality in WWII.   They kicked him out and installed his young son to the thrown to protect British interest.   The west has control over the movements in the region.  When nationalism was strong, the West did every dirty trick to destroy it to expand it political and economic interest.  During the cold war, ‘communism’, became the target, and then nothing left except the Masque for people to assemble.  When the Soviet Union dissolved, nothing but Islamic movement, where majority of them are established by British and American imperialism and now Zionism, left.  
Samir Amin, found Iran different from ‘Islamists’ who were supported by the US for expansion of her interest in the region.  He writes:
“It is Iranian nationalism—powerful and, in my opinion, altogether historically positive—that explains the success of the modernization of scientific, industrial, technological, and military capabilities undertaken by the Shah’s regime and the Khomeinist regime that followed. Iran is one of the few states of the South (with China, India, Korea, Brazil, and maybe a few others, but not many!) to have a national bourgeois project.”

Mr. Jacob: why don’t we have mass protest where goes on for a week in Saudi Arabia or Egypt?  Are they satisfied with their fascist Arab head of States who do the Zionist dirty work against their own people?
Is there any destabilization plan for Saudi Arabia in motion?  We have just seen Obama bent in front of the FASCIST ‘king’ to  receive more financial assistant to prevent mass protest  against a broken economy and transfer of large amount of money to the Bankers while let people lose their homes to prevent mass protest. Have you thought about 400 million dollars funding for destabilization plan in Iran while you were writing this paper?
Did you considered the work of Ramin Ahmadi, Roya Hakkakian and Payam Akhavan, who have opened “The Iranian Human Rights Documentation Center” in New Haven, aimed at compiling an authoritative account of human rights violation in Iran since 1979 when you were writing the conclusion?

Payam Akhavan, a Bahia, is a board member of Canadian “rights and democracy” funded by Canadian government  similar to NED beside his involvement as a United Nations Tribunals for war crimes and other responsibilities such as:
Payam Akhavan is a leading international lawyer and scholar of human rights.  He was the first war crimes prosecutor at the United Nations Tribunals for Yugoslavia and Rwanda, and served as counsel in several high profile cases, including the International Criminal Court proceedings against the Lord&#039;s Resistance Army commanders for forced conscription of Ugandan child soldiers. 

He lent his signature  to protest his voice against  Ontario Wing of the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) to pass a resolution” to ban  Israeli academics” who have not explicitly condemned Israel’s  actions in Gaza from “doing speaking, teaching or research work at Ontario Universities”  on January 15, 2009 in Canadian Jewish Congress. 
He sided with Zionist war criminals against Palestinian toddlers who were burnt to death by Israel’s phosphorous bombs along zinofascist such as Bernard Henri Levy.  
When Zionism has biased lawyers like Payam Akhavan the world cannot function according to rule of law, therefore, we should expose these double standard measures which can be found by NGO and those who represent imperialism and Zionism. 
Payam Ekhvan activity support destruction and massacre of Palestinian people, many children, but at the same time he is involved in destabilization of Iran through Human Rights Center that receives funding by US government to document HR violations in Iran.  They have received more than a million grants from State Department’s Human Rights and Democracy Fund according to published documents.
Negar Azimi has published an article in the NYT “Hard Realities of Soft Power,” on June 24, 2007 who reveals the nature of Ramin Ahmadi’s work.  She writes: 
“[T]here is a deep awareness of more recent U.S. efforts to destabilize the Islamic government. As Martin Indyk, an assistant secretary of state for Near East Affairs during the Clinton administration, recently told me: “Don’t forget 1996, when Newt Gingrich proposed an $18 million program, a covert program to overthrow the regime. From then the Iranians were convinced we were coming for them.”
One of the Human Rights activists, Emad Baghi, has told her:

“All of a sudden, my normal human rights work becomes political. I have one question: Why do I have to suffer when this money is going to pay for someone else’s salary in Washington?”
Negar Azimi continues:

[Other institutions have invested the money in Web zines, training sessions, workshops and exchanges. But even such mild activities can bring risks, as can be seen in the case of Ramin Ahmadi.
A compact man, peripatetic and cordial, Ahmadi is an assistant clinical professor of medicine at Yale Medical School, founder of the Griffin Center for Health and Human Rights and a frequent commentator on Iranian affairs. Having left Iran at the age of 17 — &quot;through the hills,&quot; as he often recounts — he has devoted himself to bringing about his particular vision of a democratic Iran. When in his excited presence, you get the impression that Iran is on the verge of a revolution, that disenfranchisement, isolation and desperation have pushed people to the edge. &quot;We are where Poland was in 1981 or 1982,&quot; Ahmadi told me.
Ahmadi and a group of partners were among the earlier recipients of State Department democracy financing, securing initial grants of $1.6 million in 2004 to start the Iran Human Rights Documentation Center. Two years later, at least two persons have been arrested in connection with attending the Dubai workshops. To this day, Ahmadi&#039;s name continues to come up in interrogations.

The nonviolent conflict center, for its part, is no longer running workshops with Iranians. &quot;We don&#039;t want people to get arrested,&quot; Jack DuVall, the organization&#039;s president, told me. Reza Afshari, the professor who had been so worried by the Dubai project, has resigned from the documentation center&#039;s board, and the New Haven center has gone through three successive executive directors. But Ahmadi has carried on. He held another workshop recently following which at least three people were imprisoned in connection with their attendance, though one maintains that he was never there in the first place. Ahmadi, for his part, maintains that all of his workshops are carried out with private funds. (The State Department declined to comment on Ahmadi&#039;s work.) &quot;The question is not whether you will interfere, it is how will you interfere,&quot; he told me. &quot;They need the help now . . . but they can&#039;t possibly publicly say it. They have to say, leave us alone. You have to not listen.&quot;]

Mr. Jacob: as long as you have left  all these factors out, your analysis is not going to be taken seriously because is closer to propaganda than analysis.   American people needs a balanced work to be able to know what is going on.  They receive zionist propaganda daily by the Media and since Obama took over  the so called &quot;Alternative media&quot;  like Zmag has jumped on the bandwagon to help the zionist project in the region. 
The phony nature of the ‘left’ in the West has been exposed.  Majority are under Zionist influence including Green Party.

Payman Akhavan&#039;s signature in support of Zionist action against boycotting Israel Academic can be found on May 20, 2008 -  at the following link:
http://www.cjc.ca/template.php?action=ioi&amp;item=199</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is written to express Arabs’ hostile view towards Iran. Mr. Jacob:  do you think Iranian women have less rights compare to women from Saudi Arabia who cannot even drive their own fucking cars?  Do you think workers in Iran have less freedom of assembly than workers in Egypt or Saudi Arabia?  How many Arab women do you see active in politics in the Arab world?     How many times have you seen a mass demonstration like the one we witnessed after the elections based on phony charge of ‘fraud’?   The answer is none.   Does Iran have racist policy regarding religious minorities like Israel have?  The answer is NO.    Why don’t we have   a destabilization plan in Saudi Arabia? Israel?  Or Egypt?   </p>
<p>Iranian people are struggling for democracy and economic prosperity since the end of 19th century to improve their lives.  They have achieved improvement in much area including Sciences, education, health yet the struggle continues.   The struggle of the Iranian people has been greatly influenced by the dirty works of British colonial, American imperialism and now Zionism.  The imperial west has a dark history in each country of the region including Iran.  They have overthrown governments and their leaders whom they found not representing British or American’s interest. </p>
<p>Qajar dynasty was overthrown to bring a dictator, Reza Shah, to power to set the ‘Westernization’ of Iran like in Turkey in motion.  British had control over the Iranian oil and resources. Their own puppet, Reza Shah, was overthrown in 1945, not because of his corruption and autocratic rule rather because he was not obedient enough since he announced Iran’s neutrality in WWII.   They kicked him out and installed his young son to the thrown to protect British interest.   The west has control over the movements in the region.  When nationalism was strong, the West did every dirty trick to destroy it to expand it political and economic interest.  During the cold war, ‘communism’, became the target, and then nothing left except the Masque for people to assemble.  When the Soviet Union dissolved, nothing but Islamic movement, where majority of them are established by British and American imperialism and now Zionism, left.<br />
Samir Amin, found Iran different from ‘Islamists’ who were supported by the US for expansion of her interest in the region.  He writes:<br />
“It is Iranian nationalism—powerful and, in my opinion, altogether historically positive—that explains the success of the modernization of scientific, industrial, technological, and military capabilities undertaken by the Shah’s regime and the Khomeinist regime that followed. Iran is one of the few states of the South (with China, India, Korea, Brazil, and maybe a few others, but not many!) to have a national bourgeois project.”</p>
<p>Mr. Jacob: why don’t we have mass protest where goes on for a week in Saudi Arabia or Egypt?  Are they satisfied with their fascist Arab head of States who do the Zionist dirty work against their own people?<br />
Is there any destabilization plan for Saudi Arabia in motion?  We have just seen Obama bent in front of the FASCIST ‘king’ to  receive more financial assistant to prevent mass protest  against a broken economy and transfer of large amount of money to the Bankers while let people lose their homes to prevent mass protest. Have you thought about 400 million dollars funding for destabilization plan in Iran while you were writing this paper?<br />
Did you considered the work of Ramin Ahmadi, Roya Hakkakian and Payam Akhavan, who have opened “The Iranian Human Rights Documentation Center” in New Haven, aimed at compiling an authoritative account of human rights violation in Iran since 1979 when you were writing the conclusion?</p>
<p>Payam Akhavan, a Bahia, is a board member of Canadian “rights and democracy” funded by Canadian government  similar to NED beside his involvement as a United Nations Tribunals for war crimes and other responsibilities such as:<br />
Payam Akhavan is a leading international lawyer and scholar of human rights.  He was the first war crimes prosecutor at the United Nations Tribunals for Yugoslavia and Rwanda, and served as counsel in several high profile cases, including the International Criminal Court proceedings against the Lord&#8217;s Resistance Army commanders for forced conscription of Ugandan child soldiers. </p>
<p>He lent his signature  to protest his voice against  Ontario Wing of the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) to pass a resolution” to ban  Israeli academics” who have not explicitly condemned Israel’s  actions in Gaza from “doing speaking, teaching or research work at Ontario Universities”  on January 15, 2009 in Canadian Jewish Congress.<br />
He sided with Zionist war criminals against Palestinian toddlers who were burnt to death by Israel’s phosphorous bombs along zinofascist such as Bernard Henri Levy.<br />
When Zionism has biased lawyers like Payam Akhavan the world cannot function according to rule of law, therefore, we should expose these double standard measures which can be found by NGO and those who represent imperialism and Zionism.<br />
Payam Ekhvan activity support destruction and massacre of Palestinian people, many children, but at the same time he is involved in destabilization of Iran through Human Rights Center that receives funding by US government to document HR violations in Iran.  They have received more than a million grants from State Department’s Human Rights and Democracy Fund according to published documents.<br />
Negar Azimi has published an article in the NYT “Hard Realities of Soft Power,” on June 24, 2007 who reveals the nature of Ramin Ahmadi’s work.  She writes:<br />
“[T]here is a deep awareness of more recent U.S. efforts to destabilize the Islamic government. As Martin Indyk, an assistant secretary of state for Near East Affairs during the Clinton administration, recently told me: “Don’t forget 1996, when Newt Gingrich proposed an $18 million program, a covert program to overthrow the regime. From then the Iranians were convinced we were coming for them.”<br />
One of the Human Rights activists, Emad Baghi, has told her:</p>
<p>“All of a sudden, my normal human rights work becomes political. I have one question: Why do I have to suffer when this money is going to pay for someone else’s salary in Washington?”<br />
Negar Azimi continues:</p>
<p>[Other institutions have invested the money in Web zines, training sessions, workshops and exchanges. But even such mild activities can bring risks, as can be seen in the case of Ramin Ahmadi.<br />
A compact man, peripatetic and cordial, Ahmadi is an assistant clinical professor of medicine at Yale Medical School, founder of the Griffin Center for Health and Human Rights and a frequent commentator on Iranian affairs. Having left Iran at the age of 17 — "through the hills," as he often recounts — he has devoted himself to bringing about his particular vision of a democratic Iran. When in his excited presence, you get the impression that Iran is on the verge of a revolution, that disenfranchisement, isolation and desperation have pushed people to the edge. "We are where Poland was in 1981 or 1982," Ahmadi told me.<br />
Ahmadi and a group of partners were among the earlier recipients of State Department democracy financing, securing initial grants of $1.6 million in 2004 to start the Iran Human Rights Documentation Center. Two years later, at least two persons have been arrested in connection with attending the Dubai workshops. To this day, Ahmadi's name continues to come up in interrogations.</p>
<p>The nonviolent conflict center, for its part, is no longer running workshops with Iranians. "We don't want people to get arrested," Jack DuVall, the organization's president, told me. Reza Afshari, the professor who had been so worried by the Dubai project, has resigned from the documentation center's board, and the New Haven center has gone through three successive executive directors. But Ahmadi has carried on. He held another workshop recently following which at least three people were imprisoned in connection with their attendance, though one maintains that he was never there in the first place. Ahmadi, for his part, maintains that all of his workshops are carried out with private funds. (The State Department declined to comment on Ahmadi's work.) "The question is not whether you will interfere, it is how will you interfere," he told me. "They need the help now . . . but they can't possibly publicly say it. They have to say, leave us alone. You have to not listen."]</p>
<p>Mr. Jacob: as long as you have left  all these factors out, your analysis is not going to be taken seriously because is closer to propaganda than analysis.   American people needs a balanced work to be able to know what is going on.  They receive zionist propaganda daily by the Media and since Obama took over  the so called &#8220;Alternative media&#8221;  like Zmag has jumped on the bandwagon to help the zionist project in the region.<br />
The phony nature of the ‘left’ in the West has been exposed.  Majority are under Zionist influence including Green Party.</p>
<p>Payman Akhavan&#8217;s signature in support of Zionist action against boycotting Israel Academic can be found on May 20, 2008 &#8211;  at the following link:<br />
<a href="http://www.cjc.ca/template.php?action=ioi&#038;item=199" rel="nofollow">http://www.cjc.ca/template.php?action=ioi&#038;item=199</a></p>
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