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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/forget-%e2%80%9cnegotiations%e2%80%9d-obama/#comment-47565</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said HR. I didn&#039;t waste time listening to the accomplished liar and facile rhetoritrician, but the snippets I garnered from the moronic sychophants of the local media were unsurprising. He seems to believe that  the public in the US and West, his real audiences, of course, as the opinions of the untermenschen of the &#039;Arab street&#039; are of no import whatsoever, are so mentally obtunded that they will fall for his cynical humbug. Preach love of your Moslem brothers and sisters, spout a little Arabic, mumble something from the Koran, all as the Hellfire missiles crash into sleeping villages at dead of night. At least the Nazis did not broadcast false paeans to their own loveability as the Stukas dived.
                              I think the most nauseating part, &#039;though, the feature that clearly indicates Obama&#039;s real message andwhere his real masters lie, was the ritual incantation of the solemn liturgy of the Holocaust orthodoxy, now clearly near the status of a state religion in the West. Coming from the leader of a country that has never acknowledged their own genocide of vastly greater numbers in exterminating the native Americans,( a genocide far nearer complete accomplishment than the Nazi Judeocide), and where senior political leaders, in complicity with Zionists, quaintly enough, fervently deny the Armenian genocide, to ingratiate themselves with Turkey, this emphasis on the Judaic suffering during WW2, with nary a word, ever, over the murders of Gypsies, Slaves, Poles, Soviets and all the other millions of victims of Nazi, Japanese, and never forgetting Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, &#039;Allied&#039; murderousness, is deeply offensive. The Judaic claim, relentlessly repeated, to prime if not sole, victimhood, is deeply troubling. Undoubtedly the nature of the Judeocide was particularly vicious, calculated and organised, but so too was the annihilation of the Roma. The killings of Soviet prisoners-of-war were only very little less calculated, although without the genocidal features of exterminating women and children.
                   While this &#039;Judaisation&#039; of the public mind goes on, with the Zionists clearly intent on asserting the central role in Western discourse, and then steering it towards their project of a &#039;Clash of Civilizations&#039; with China and Russia just as much in the bomb-sights as the Islamic world, we are in for a bumpy ride. But it will be nought as compared to that suffered by the Palestinians. Obama had the unspeakable hypocrisy of admonishing the Palestinians to give up &#039;violence&#039;. This coming from the leader of a state that has practised violent state terror for decades, killing millions, to a people who have every right under international law and morality to struggle against their violent oppressors. Need we mention that Obama had no word of reproach for Israeli violence, but then again, I&#039;ve heard that that violence is actually Holy, ordained by What&#039;-&#039;is-Name&#039; Himself, so &#039;morally pure&#039;. All those eviscerated, burned children are just ritual sacrifices to a greater cause.
                            Fortunately the very small requests Obama made of his Zionist masters have elicited a storm of racist, foaming outrage from the Judaic Right. Rather unlovely scenes of Israeli students spouting racist epithets and death threats agains the &#039;Great White Hope&#039;, and of Judaic Taliban, the &#039;settlers&#039; chewing the carpet, are doing the rounds. Little by little the world is waking to the reality of Israel and its calamitous effect on the region and the world. A peace proposal lies waiting, from the Moslem world. All Israel has to do to live in peace is to withdraw from the Occupied Territories, totally. The Moslems seem even to have sacrificed the Palestinians inalienable Right to Return, a centre-piece of international humanitarian law. But can anyone really envisage this brutal, racist, Messianic settler state accepting this peace offer? I certainly do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said HR. I didn&#8217;t waste time listening to the accomplished liar and facile rhetoritrician, but the snippets I garnered from the moronic sychophants of the local media were unsurprising. He seems to believe that  the public in the US and West, his real audiences, of course, as the opinions of the untermenschen of the &#8216;Arab street&#8217; are of no import whatsoever, are so mentally obtunded that they will fall for his cynical humbug. Preach love of your Moslem brothers and sisters, spout a little Arabic, mumble something from the Koran, all as the Hellfire missiles crash into sleeping villages at dead of night. At least the Nazis did not broadcast false paeans to their own loveability as the Stukas dived.<br />
                              I think the most nauseating part, &#8216;though, the feature that clearly indicates Obama&#8217;s real message andwhere his real masters lie, was the ritual incantation of the solemn liturgy of the Holocaust orthodoxy, now clearly near the status of a state religion in the West. Coming from the leader of a country that has never acknowledged their own genocide of vastly greater numbers in exterminating the native Americans,( a genocide far nearer complete accomplishment than the Nazi Judeocide), and where senior political leaders, in complicity with Zionists, quaintly enough, fervently deny the Armenian genocide, to ingratiate themselves with Turkey, this emphasis on the Judaic suffering during WW2, with nary a word, ever, over the murders of Gypsies, Slaves, Poles, Soviets and all the other millions of victims of Nazi, Japanese, and never forgetting Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, &#8216;Allied&#8217; murderousness, is deeply offensive. The Judaic claim, relentlessly repeated, to prime if not sole, victimhood, is deeply troubling. Undoubtedly the nature of the Judeocide was particularly vicious, calculated and organised, but so too was the annihilation of the Roma. The killings of Soviet prisoners-of-war were only very little less calculated, although without the genocidal features of exterminating women and children.<br />
                   While this &#8216;Judaisation&#8217; of the public mind goes on, with the Zionists clearly intent on asserting the central role in Western discourse, and then steering it towards their project of a &#8216;Clash of Civilizations&#8217; with China and Russia just as much in the bomb-sights as the Islamic world, we are in for a bumpy ride. But it will be nought as compared to that suffered by the Palestinians. Obama had the unspeakable hypocrisy of admonishing the Palestinians to give up &#8216;violence&#8217;. This coming from the leader of a state that has practised violent state terror for decades, killing millions, to a people who have every right under international law and morality to struggle against their violent oppressors. Need we mention that Obama had no word of reproach for Israeli violence, but then again, I&#8217;ve heard that that violence is actually Holy, ordained by What&#8217;-'is-Name&#8217; Himself, so &#8216;morally pure&#8217;. All those eviscerated, burned children are just ritual sacrifices to a greater cause.<br />
                            Fortunately the very small requests Obama made of his Zionist masters have elicited a storm of racist, foaming outrage from the Judaic Right. Rather unlovely scenes of Israeli students spouting racist epithets and death threats agains the &#8216;Great White Hope&#8217;, and of Judaic Taliban, the &#8216;settlers&#8217; chewing the carpet, are doing the rounds. Little by little the world is waking to the reality of Israel and its calamitous effect on the region and the world. A peace proposal lies waiting, from the Moslem world. All Israel has to do to live in peace is to withdraw from the Occupied Territories, totally. The Moslems seem even to have sacrificed the Palestinians inalienable Right to Return, a centre-piece of international humanitarian law. But can anyone really envisage this brutal, racist, Messianic settler state accepting this peace offer? I certainly do not.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/forget-%e2%80%9cnegotiations%e2%80%9d-obama/#comment-47533</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a  correction. In the heat of writing i often say it wrong. The lands of the amonites, jebusites, et al may have never been hebraic. Thus, i shld have said that `jews`only think that these lands were long time ago theirs. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a  correction. In the heat of writing i often say it wrong. The lands of the amonites, jebusites, et al may have never been hebraic. Thus, i shld have said that `jews`only think that these lands were long time ago theirs. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/forget-%e2%80%9cnegotiations%e2%80%9d-obama/#comment-47532</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mary,
obama probably means that palestinians in gaza 1 and gaza 2 wld live in turmoil with the `jewish`state. That`s the plan, i expect. Expect a threee `state` solution: israel sans pals and two gazas fighting one another. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mary,<br />
obama probably means that palestinians in gaza 1 and gaza 2 wld live in turmoil with the `jewish`state. That`s the plan, i expect. Expect a threee `state` solution: israel sans pals and two gazas fighting one another. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/forget-%e2%80%9cnegotiations%e2%80%9d-obama/#comment-47520</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am copying this link from medialens, just as Obama&#039;s script writer copied Bush&#039;s.

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
Saturday, June 06, 2009
Bush...and Obama 
GW Bush, Rose Garden, 24 June 2002: &quot;It is untenable for Palestinians to live in squalor and occupation. And the current situation offers no prospect that life will improve... My vision is two states, living side by side in peace and security.&quot;

BH Obama, Cairo University, 4 June 2009: &quot;They endure the daily humiliations, large and small, that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: The situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable... The only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security.&quot; (thanks Jon) 
Posted by As&#039;ad at 8:40 AM 

Plus ça change, plus c&#039;est la même chose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am copying this link from medialens, just as Obama&#8217;s script writer copied Bush&#8217;s.</p>
<p><a href="http://angryarab.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://angryarab.blogspot.com/</a><br />
Saturday, June 06, 2009<br />
Bush&#8230;and Obama<br />
GW Bush, Rose Garden, 24 June 2002: &#8220;It is untenable for Palestinians to live in squalor and occupation. And the current situation offers no prospect that life will improve&#8230; My vision is two states, living side by side in peace and security.&#8221;</p>
<p>BH Obama, Cairo University, 4 June 2009: &#8220;They endure the daily humiliations, large and small, that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: The situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable&#8230; The only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security.&#8221; (thanks Jon)<br />
Posted by As&#8217;ad at 8:40 AM </p>
<p>Plus ça change, plus c&#8217;est la même chose?</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/forget-%e2%80%9cnegotiations%e2%80%9d-obama/#comment-47459</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 01:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When in Dresden, site of arguably one of the massive war crimes in all of history, not one word was mentioned.
Holocaustianity permeated throughout.
Don&#039;t you dare even think it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When in Dresden, site of arguably one of the massive war crimes in all of history, not one word was mentioned.<br />
Holocaustianity permeated throughout.<br />
Don&#8217;t you dare even think it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: HR</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/forget-%e2%80%9cnegotiations%e2%80%9d-obama/#comment-47457</link>
		<dc:creator>HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The babble in Egypt from hope and change man that the media are making so much of was nothing more than a rewording of the lies we have been hearing for four over decades.  Put simply, the speech simply stated that the Zionist terror state will continue to receive a free pass, not to mention billions in aid, to commit atrocities, while Palestinians need to &quot;straighten&quot; up and quit picking on them.  I found it sickening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The babble in Egypt from hope and change man that the media are making so much of was nothing more than a rewording of the lies we have been hearing for four over decades.  Put simply, the speech simply stated that the Zionist terror state will continue to receive a free pass, not to mention billions in aid, to commit atrocities, while Palestinians need to &#8220;straighten&#8221; up and quit picking on them.  I found it sickening.</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Hatch</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/forget-%e2%80%9cnegotiations%e2%80%9d-obama/#comment-47451</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Hatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is Mr. Obama&#039;s plan to utter flowery rhetoric and do nothing to stop Israel&#039;s pervasive evil aggression, his empty words might just come back to bite him in the ass.

The world has had about enough of  Israel&#039;s illegality and immorality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is Mr. Obama&#8217;s plan to utter flowery rhetoric and do nothing to stop Israel&#8217;s pervasive evil aggression, his empty words might just come back to bite him in the ass.</p>
<p>The world has had about enough of  Israel&#8217;s illegality and immorality.</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/forget-%e2%80%9cnegotiations%e2%80%9d-obama/#comment-47443</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, there is nothing to &quot;negotiate&quot; about; Israel has to recede to the pre-1967 borders immediately and stay out of a newly independent Palestinean state; and they have to do it OR ELSE.  Those settlements that the zionists will be forced out of will make good homes for the Palestinean refugees in Syria, etc. that will finally have their right to return recognized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, there is nothing to &#8220;negotiate&#8221; about; Israel has to recede to the pre-1967 borders immediately and stay out of a newly independent Palestinean state; and they have to do it OR ELSE.  Those settlements that the zionists will be forced out of will make good homes for the Palestinean refugees in Syria, etc. that will finally have their right to return recognized.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/forget-%e2%80%9cnegotiations%e2%80%9d-obama/#comment-47435</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>comparing the &#039;new&#039; begining with numerous old beginings, we can easily envisage the old endings.  To be sure, &#039;new&#039; ending will be different.
Obama is not going to copy bush, carter, reagan, clinton, et al in every detail. After all a new prez likes to have his own new beginings and new endings.

we can envisage all UN resolutions covered with a thick layer of dust; not single one wld be dusted off and read by prez or his aides.
so, that is the usual ending. What other obama&#039;s endings we might espy or predict?
expulsion of palestinians from israel in exchange  for removal of one , two, three &#039;settlements&#039;?
or coercing palestinians to accept  permamence of the wall?
or that palestinians must supply &#039;jews&#039;  with cheap labor and richer  &#039;jews&#039;  nanas and other servants?
and thre is that shortage of potable water!  &#039;jews&#039;  cld  &#039;negotiate&#039;  over water use or abuse for at least a decade?
E.G.,  &#039;jews&#039;   cld demand that they use more water per head than palestinians?
and then there  are the tunnels. &#039;Jews&#039; might demand to have equal number of tunnels?
that cld be called archeological sites? And lead deep into syria, lebanon, and jordan?
because these land are also &#039;jewish&#039;? 
theyare jewish  because they were once part of hebrew domain.tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>comparing the &#8216;new&#8217; begining with numerous old beginings, we can easily envisage the old endings.  To be sure, &#8216;new&#8217; ending will be different.<br />
Obama is not going to copy bush, carter, reagan, clinton, et al in every detail. After all a new prez likes to have his own new beginings and new endings.</p>
<p>we can envisage all UN resolutions covered with a thick layer of dust; not single one wld be dusted off and read by prez or his aides.<br />
so, that is the usual ending. What other obama&#8217;s endings we might espy or predict?<br />
expulsion of palestinians from israel in exchange  for removal of one , two, three &#8216;settlements&#8217;?<br />
or coercing palestinians to accept  permamence of the wall?<br />
or that palestinians must supply &#8216;jews&#8217;  with cheap labor and richer  &#8216;jews&#8217;  nanas and other servants?<br />
and thre is that shortage of potable water!  &#8216;jews&#8217;  cld  &#8216;negotiate&#8217;  over water use or abuse for at least a decade?<br />
E.G.,  &#8216;jews&#8217;   cld demand that they use more water per head than palestinians?<br />
and then there  are the tunnels. &#8216;Jews&#8217; might demand to have equal number of tunnels?<br />
that cld be called archeological sites? And lead deep into syria, lebanon, and jordan?<br />
because these land are also &#8216;jewish&#8217;?<br />
theyare jewish  because they were once part of hebrew domain.tnx</p>
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