Comments on: Congress on a Path to Transfer Hundreds of Billions in Tax Dollars to the Insurance Industry While Calling it Health Care Reform http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/congress-on-a-path-to-transfer-hundreds-of-billions-in-tax-dollars-to-the-insurance-industry-while-calling-it-health-care-reform/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Xavier http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/congress-on-a-path-to-transfer-hundreds-of-billions-in-tax-dollars-to-the-insurance-industry-while-calling-it-health-care-reform/#comment-47979 Xavier Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:05:58 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8667#comment-47979 read at: http://www.chimpsternation.com/forum?c=showthread&ThreadID=3717 "[Centrist Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson (Neb.)] argues a public health insurance plan would ruin employer-sponsored private health insurance plans. He told CQ the inclusion of a public plan in a healthcare reform bill was a DEAL-BREAKER for him." watch http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=3719 at 8:01, Baucus says: "I think everything's going to stay on the table, but ...big portions will be modified...and sculpted...one example is the public option...you know, that's...that's a hot button...and I, I do suspect that a version will be there ...by saying that...I don't want to frighten people...PARTICULARLY ON THE INDUSTRY SIDE...will say "oh, oh, there they go, Baucus' said 'public options' ...you know...THE DEAL'S OFF."..I don't want to...all I'm saying is: there's ways to skin a cat, there are ways to find a solution, there's ways, I think, to do this, ultimately in a way...that's acceptable" WHAT "DEAL" ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT, EXACTLY? @Michael Dawson said on June 13th, 2009 at 10:51pm: "Nancy Pelosi has already told us “it’s not going to be a single payer,”" Nancy of "Impeachment is off the table" infamy? This language reflects the incredible arrogance of politicians who think their job is to DICTATE what we should have, instead of implementing what we want. read at:

http://www.chimpsternation.com/forum?c=showthread&ThreadID=3717

“[Centrist Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson (Neb.)] argues a public health insurance plan would ruin employer-sponsored private health insurance plans. He told CQ the inclusion of a public plan in a healthcare reform bill was a DEAL-BREAKER for him.”

watch

http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=3719

at 8:01, Baucus says: “I think everything’s going to stay on the table, but …big portions will be modified…and sculpted…one example is the public option…you know, that’s…that’s a hot button…and I, I do suspect that a version will be there …by saying that…I don’t want to frighten people…PARTICULARLY ON THE INDUSTRY SIDE…will say “oh, oh, there they go, Baucus’ said ‘public options’ …you know…THE DEAL’S OFF.”..I don’t want to…all I’m saying is: there’s ways to skin a cat, there are ways to find a solution, there’s ways, I think, to do this, ultimately in a way…that’s acceptable”

WHAT “DEAL” ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT, EXACTLY?

@Michael Dawson said on June 13th, 2009 at 10:51pm: “Nancy Pelosi has already told us “it’s not going to be a single payer,””

Nancy of “Impeachment is off the table” infamy? This language reflects the incredible arrogance of politicians who think their job is to DICTATE what we should have, instead of implementing what we want.

]]> By: HR http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/congress-on-a-path-to-transfer-hundreds-of-billions-in-tax-dollars-to-the-insurance-industry-while-calling-it-health-care-reform/#comment-47953 HR Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:36:37 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8667#comment-47953 Michael Dawson, perhaps, but Reich's presentations on UCTV and other non-corporate (semicorporate) outlets have been accurate, logical and quite convincing to me. As far as blaming the corporate media goes, that is such a dead issue, a total copout in my opinion. For nearly 15 years access to alternative media has been readily available. The truth is, the public chooses, on its own, to live in self-imposed ignorance, preferring to pledge allegiance and cheer on the troops than to think. Before the Internet, it was a little harder to be more informed, but even then there were alternative weeklies or dailies, if a person really gave a damn. Most humans, a herding species, seek leadership and will turn against the status quo only when enough of them have had their lives so utterly destroyed that no other option is available. We are rapidly approaching that point. Michael Dawson, perhaps, but Reich’s presentations on UCTV and other non-corporate (semicorporate) outlets have been accurate, logical and quite convincing to me.

As far as blaming the corporate media goes, that is such a dead issue, a total copout in my opinion. For nearly 15 years access to alternative media has been readily available. The truth is, the public chooses, on its own, to live in self-imposed ignorance, preferring to pledge allegiance and cheer on the troops than to think. Before the Internet, it was a little harder to be more informed, but even then there were alternative weeklies or dailies, if a person really gave a damn. Most humans, a herding species, seek leadership and will turn against the status quo only when enough of them have had their lives so utterly destroyed that no other option is available. We are rapidly approaching that point.

]]> By: Michael Dawson http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/congress-on-a-path-to-transfer-hundreds-of-billions-in-tax-dollars-to-the-insurance-industry-while-calling-it-health-care-reform/#comment-47920 Michael Dawson Sun, 14 Jun 2009 05:51:57 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8667#comment-47920 HR, Robert Reich is extremely over-rated. Alas, Nancy Pelosi has already told us "it's not going to be a single payer," and the commercial media is never going to explain the basic facts to the public, so an uprising seems unlikely. HR, Robert Reich is extremely over-rated.

Alas, Nancy Pelosi has already told us “it’s not going to be a single payer,” and the commercial media is never going to explain the basic facts to the public, so an uprising seems unlikely.

]]> By: Bert. http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/congress-on-a-path-to-transfer-hundreds-of-billions-in-tax-dollars-to-the-insurance-industry-while-calling-it-health-care-reform/#comment-47919 Bert. Sun, 14 Jun 2009 04:07:28 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8667#comment-47919 There will be no change in any fondamental bases of the society unless the people realize what is happening behind the curtain. A nice article: http://left.ru/inter/2005/salari.phtml There will be no change in any fondamental bases of the society unless the people realize what is happening behind the curtain. A nice article:
http://left.ru/inter/2005/salari.phtml

]]> By: HR http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/congress-on-a-path-to-transfer-hundreds-of-billions-in-tax-dollars-to-the-insurance-industry-while-calling-it-health-care-reform/#comment-47899 HR Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:43:19 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8667#comment-47899 Weird signals coming from the so-called left. Last night on Moyers, the only program I -- in my admittedly limited viewing of the PBS/NPR consortium for preserving the status quo -- have seen on the Propaganda Broadcasting System that even has addressed single payer, Bob Reich, who usually is right on the money, contradicted himself on health care politics. He first asserted that in order to get our elected "representatives" to be more open to single payer, people need to pressure them. A few minutes later, he pointed out that the lobbying empire trumps public opinion, no matter how much it favors single payer ... or any other issue. Geez, Bob, what did you really mean? Give up completely? Weird signals coming from the so-called left. Last night on Moyers, the only program I — in my admittedly limited viewing of the PBS/NPR consortium for preserving the status quo — have seen on the Propaganda Broadcasting System that even has addressed single payer, Bob Reich, who usually is right on the money, contradicted himself on health care politics. He first asserted that in order to get our elected “representatives” to be more open to single payer, people need to pressure them. A few minutes later, he pointed out that the lobbying empire trumps public opinion, no matter how much it favors single payer … or any other issue. Geez, Bob, what did you really mean? Give up completely?

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