http://incakolanews.blogspot.com/2009/06/honduras-photoshow.html

that one has no health care alone proves any constitution invalid/wrong.
another proof that a constitution is wrong, is the fact that only judges can interpret it; no hobo, ditch digger, miner, secretary, farmer, et al need apply for the job.

one can cite bible, quran, torah, constitutions all one wants- one is still on theoretical level and not on a living level.
a constitution, tho still on wishfulness level, is valuable to a point only if it directs us what to do and how to do it.
‘direction’ that one has the right to pursue happiness, right to vote, etc.,
doesn’t direct how to achieve it or how one shld vote.
constitution doesn’t say,One can vote only after properly educated and informed.
or that one has the right to obtain knowledege and how to go about obtaining it.
if knowledge is owned by, let’s say, 5% of people, a constitution then is an hurtful writ for 95% of people.
it may be better to be uniformed than disinformed.
to conclude, it si not about solely what to do but what/how/show me! tnx bozhidar balkas

“It is written in law that only the congress has to power to put a referrendum on the ballot and his own party who is power refused to do so…”

Ah Ryan but their is no such law. You lie through your teeth.

“He ignored them and tried to make his own vote so he could be elected for his third term. He wanted to be able to maintain power permenatly.”

In power permanently through elections, his plan is so dictatorial!

“This article forgets to mention the facts that the Honduras Surpreme Court declared his acts unconstitutional and illegal, told him to stop.”

“The attorny general then warned that if any individual continued to carry out trying to initiate the refferendum they would be arrested.”

Again you parrot a lie. The democratically elected leader was ousted and you turn logic on its head. However, you are not fooling anyone.

Roberto Micheletti is the name of the dictator in Honduras, who illegally took over yesterday after the military coup kidnapped and forced into exile the democratically elected president Manuel Zelaya. Remember his name for he should be tried for human rights violations.

SECRETARY OF STATE CLINTON TODAY STATED THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT WAS NOT READY TO LEGALLY CALL THE DEVELOPMENTS IN HONDURAS A COUP D’ETAT, BECAUSE DOING SO WOULD REQUIRE WASHINGTON TO CUT OF ECONOMIC AID TO THE CENTRAL AMERICAN NATION AND BREAK RELATIONS, WHICH THEY ARE STILL HESITANT TO DO BECAUSE THOSE THAT ILLEGALLY TOOK POWER YESTERDAY IN HONDURAS ARE GROUPS AND POLITICAL PARTIES THAT RECEIVE US GOVERNMENT FUNDING FROM USAID, NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR DEMOCRACY, INTERNATIONAL REPUBLICAN INSTITUTE AND NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTE FOR INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS. ADDITIONALLY THE HONDURAN MILITARY IS HEAVILY FUNDED BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND PENTAGON.

CALL ON THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO IMMEDIATELY DEMAND THE RELEASE OF THE TELESUR CORRESPONDENTS IN HONDURAS AND TO SUSPEND ALL ECONOMIC AID TO HONDURAS UNTIL DEMOCRATIC ORDER IS RESTORED, THE REPRESSION CEASES AND THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRESIDENT, MANUEL ZELAYA, IS RETURNED TO POWER:

http://www.chavezcode.com/2009/06/urgent-update-553pm-telesur-journalists.html

It is truly a progressive system that would bring people out of poverty (an unnecessary reality foisted upon people by credit being owned by private bankers) as well as stopping the siphoning of what should be our shared wealth. The very rich and the corporations would not be taking a free ride off the backs of every interest paying citizen, and yes that’s all of us, if you ever use US cash or credit.

You see, taxation itself is the heist that is making these bankers and traders grossly rich and is cause for such extreme socio-economic disparity. It is only a joke and disinformation that leads people to believe that taxation itself benefits the public. We need a better safety net than what we are getting. For housing, health, food, education . . . we can do better. The scarcity thing is really an illusion here, it’s not that, it’s a population and economy being held hostage.

I apologize for not explaining concepts as well as possible. Maybe you needed buzzwords and jargon that sounded more familiar, or just to slow down and investigate before being reactionary. Please read some of Cook’s essays, he’s pushing something that I really believe would resonate with you. He’s a progressive.

Corporations shouldn’t exist at all, btw.

Peace, Resistance, Hope,
Melissa

You offer an example of SS and the argument that it is unconstitutional. Face it, the argument is sound. Promoting the general welfare should not amount to robbery by force, which is how taxation works. Majority of USAers are check to check. The question is why the tiered society that makes such programs necessary? We can appeal to the crowd you speak of by addressing the monetary system and how the electronic blips we call money and credit belong to the citizenry as a whole, not to people who produce nothing. Because we ALL represent the good faith of producing and consuming.

Instead of framing a social safety net as something some people get for doing nothing, while others toil to have a portion stolen to provide for others, why don’t we all get a guaranteed dividend? Cut out the parasites to whom we pay all that interest, for our own damn money. It takes the wind out of the sails of the unconstitutional argument -and re establishes constitutional monetary system. Richard C. Cook has published here at DV . . . check him out if you are interested in proper distribution of the wealth that we represent.

If you truly want to effect change, and foster real conversation that is focussed upon solutions you’ll do better to find words and attitudes that don’t draw such chasms of division. Maintaining a “side” or a box that has been constructed according to your perceived opponents’ position always keeps you on the defensive. It drives potentials and possibilities farther away rather than strengthening your own, and you’ll die frustrated that you didn’t win ‘em over to your side. There are wider avenues that are big enough for both you and “right-wing reactionaries” to walk together, each with your own baggage of issues and enough space to air them.

Look for common ground, don’t keep drawing the same line in the sand. It only reminds others how rigidly they must guard their own box. If we’re all guarding our boxes, we’re all behind bars and nullified.

Peace, Resistance, Hope,
Melissa

People have submitted (through States) hundred of demands calling for a Constitutional Convention . . . they are swept under the rug and ignored. Another expression of symptoms in this diseased country.

However, in order to advance to a rewrite (and then, hopefully, a decrease in statism) we have to own the constitution we currently have, employ it and reassert the fact that the people have not consented to dismantling that has happened through interpretive courts/judges and corporate reps and senators.

This is not futile, and yes, a unified party (must include people you don’t like) is the vehicle to push for a sane and humane framework.

Melissa

i don’t know if nader’s org [or is it a party?] also asks for a new constitution.
as the s. amer lands have shown, a new constitution can be obtained only via a political party. tnx