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	<title>Comments on: Ahmadinejad Re-elected: Israel and Obama’s Iran Puzzle</title>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/ahmadinejad-re-elected-israel-and-obama%e2%80%99s-iran-puzzle/#comment-48688</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 02:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian:  Thank you for your attention.  I hope Obama lovers wake up and see that ‘young’ Obama is directed by the interest group where their interest is not identical to Americans’ interest.

Mr. Ramzy Baroud:  Thank you for your article which reveals some of the underlying tension, but I do not agree with the following line:
[In some way, Ahmadinejad’s victory was the best news for Israel.]

A glance at history of the Zionism for the past 60 years shows that Israel always has create a  pretext to build violence and chaos to expand her and territory and domain of influence because Israel not only wants to be the sole regional power but to build upon it and realize its main goal, world domination.
Israel in fact did not want Ahmadinejad to be elected because it was Ahmadinejad who made the Iran-US negotiation possible without precondition, thus, the Zionists were frighten to see less tension between two countries since Israel works better when there is  chaos and violence.  Zionists spread rumors that Ahmadinejad is Israel’s bets choice.  In fact they were frightened to see him back.   They targeted the ‘improved relations’  itself and design a plan ahead of the time to be carried out against Ahmadinejad  re-election bit and to make him illegitimate for the future negotiation.  The Zionists through Dennis Ross ordered Obama to postpone any contact with the ‘hardliner’, a phony title, and started to negotiate secretly with some elements in the Iranian ruling elite to make Ahmadinejad unfit for further negotiation. After the election of Obama, we witness cooperation of ‘progressive’ and the closet Zionists under the ‘left’ umbrella more than any other time with the state department’s policy in the recent history.  Zmag had the lead in demonization of Ahmadinejad and praise for Mousavi as a victim of ‘stolen elections.’   Review of articles written by Zunes, Janet Afari and others reveals that Israel’s interest was their motivation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian:  Thank you for your attention.  I hope Obama lovers wake up and see that ‘young’ Obama is directed by the interest group where their interest is not identical to Americans’ interest.</p>
<p>Mr. Ramzy Baroud:  Thank you for your article which reveals some of the underlying tension, but I do not agree with the following line:<br />
[In some way, Ahmadinejad’s victory was the best news for Israel.]</p>
<p>A glance at history of the Zionism for the past 60 years shows that Israel always has create a  pretext to build violence and chaos to expand her and territory and domain of influence because Israel not only wants to be the sole regional power but to build upon it and realize its main goal, world domination.<br />
Israel in fact did not want Ahmadinejad to be elected because it was Ahmadinejad who made the Iran-US negotiation possible without precondition, thus, the Zionists were frighten to see less tension between two countries since Israel works better when there is  chaos and violence.  Zionists spread rumors that Ahmadinejad is Israel’s bets choice.  In fact they were frightened to see him back.   They targeted the ‘improved relations’  itself and design a plan ahead of the time to be carried out against Ahmadinejad  re-election bit and to make him illegitimate for the future negotiation.  The Zionists through Dennis Ross ordered Obama to postpone any contact with the ‘hardliner’, a phony title, and started to negotiate secretly with some elements in the Iranian ruling elite to make Ahmadinejad unfit for further negotiation. After the election of Obama, we witness cooperation of ‘progressive’ and the closet Zionists under the ‘left’ umbrella more than any other time with the state department’s policy in the recent history.  Zmag had the lead in demonization of Ahmadinejad and praise for Mousavi as a victim of ‘stolen elections.’   Review of articles written by Zunes, Janet Afari and others reveals that Israel’s interest was their motivation.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/ahmadinejad-re-elected-israel-and-obama%e2%80%99s-iran-puzzle/#comment-48641</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good work Shabnam....you are more correct than your critics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work Shabnam&#8230;.you are more correct than your critics.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/ahmadinejad-re-elected-israel-and-obama%e2%80%99s-iran-puzzle/#comment-48640</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Page 189 of Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein, we find Kissinger, in 1989 refering to Tianamnen saying the following:

&#039;No govt in the world would have tolerated having thr main square of its capital occupied for 8 weeks by tens of thousands of demonstrators...A crakdown was therefore inevitable&#039;

Got it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Page 189 of Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein, we find Kissinger, in 1989 refering to Tianamnen saying the following:</p>
<p>&#8216;No govt in the world would have tolerated having thr main square of its capital occupied for 8 weeks by tens of thousands of demonstrators&#8230;A crakdown was therefore inevitable&#8217;</p>
<p>Got it?</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/ahmadinejad-re-elected-israel-and-obama%e2%80%99s-iran-puzzle/#comment-48616</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Payam Akhavan along with two other Iranians, Ramin Ahmadi and Roya Hakakian opened the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iranhrdc.org/httpdocs/English/pdfs/IntheNews/2005/News-01-09-05.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iranian Human Rights Documentation Center&lt;/a&gt;.  Financed through a two-year, $ 1 million grant from the State Department’s Human Rights and Democracy Fund.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Payam Akhavan along with two other Iranians, Ramin Ahmadi and Roya Hakakian opened the <a href="http://www.iranhrdc.org/httpdocs/English/pdfs/IntheNews/2005/News-01-09-05.pdf" rel="nofollow">Iranian Human Rights Documentation Center</a>.  Financed through a two-year, $ 1 million grant from the State Department’s Human Rights and Democracy Fund.</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/ahmadinejad-re-elected-israel-and-obama%e2%80%99s-iran-puzzle/#comment-48593</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The burden of prove is with the Zionist agents who say Iranian elections was &#039;fraud.&#039;   Who did order Obama, the Zionist puppet, to postpone a dialogue between Iran and the US until the Iranian election is over? The answer is Israel.  Who has recently been moved to the WH to direct events in Iran? The answer is a rabid Zionist by the name of Dennis Ross, who has repeatedly put Israel’s interest ahead of American’s interest, has been transferred on to Obama’s lap in the WH to whisper into his ear how to demonize and direct the protest and then tell the world that we are just “watching.”   Who has recently strengthened and rebuilt its website to support an active role in spreading propaganda against Iran through lies and deception?   The answer is PaykeIran website, close to Mujahedeen Khalq (MEK), a puppet and spy of Israel where has recently, a week before the election, enhanced its website to provide majority of videos and films, some are totally FAKE, to influence public opinion in the West to benefit US and Israel.  Who has sent more than 10,000 CAMERAS in the shape of a pen to Iran? The answer is the Monarchists.  These Cameras are used  to ‘document’  the  predicted riot  after the Iranian  elections  to help the Zionist enablers such as, Payman Akhavan an agent of both US and Canadian  government, a Bahia law professor at McGill University  who immigrated  at the age of eight to Canada,  Roya Kakkakian , an Iranian Zionist coming from Jewish background  and  her Husband, Ramin Ahmadi, an assistant clinical professor at Yale University where all board members of  “Iran Human Rights Documentation Center”  to build “documents” against Iranians who are not puppets but leave corrupted businessman clerics such as Rafsanjani alone since he is close to the West and promoter of MARKET ECONOMY  American style. 

“Iran Human Rights Documentation Center&quot; located in New Haven where cooperates with “rights and democracy” in Canada, a twin sister of NED in the US.  
The Non-violence center let by Peter Ackerman, a Zionist billionaire like George Soros is in the business of fomenting ‘velvet revolution’ to install a US/Israel puppet like in Georgia, Ukraine, and attempted in Venezuela but failed and now is duplicating in Iran. 
Payman Akhavan has close contact and cooperation with SHIREEN EBADI, a puppet of Western power who received a ‘NOBEL PEACE PRIZE’ to create a ‘voice’ for the Western power in Iran. The following picture shows Payam Ekhavan standing  between Shireen Ebadi and her daughter who has recently converted, reported, to Baha’ism.

http://media.www.mcgilltribune.com/media/storage/paper234/news/2008/12/02/News/Iranian.Press.Targets.Nobel.Prize.Winner.Ebadi-3564990.shtml

Negar Azimi has published an article on these traitors in NYT “Hard Realities of Soft Power,” on June 24,2007 who reveals the nature of 
their work.    Emad Baghi a “human write” activist said:

“[T]here is a deep awareness of more recent U.S. efforts to destabilize the Islamic government. As Martin Indyk, an assistant secretary of state for Near East Affairs during the Clinton administration, recently told me: &quot;Don&#039;t forget 1996, when Newt Gingrich proposed an $18 million program, a covert program to overthrow the regime. From then the Iranians were convinced we were coming for them.&quot;
Emad Baghi an “human write” activist said:

“All of a sudden, my normal human rights work becomes political. I have one question: Why do I have to suffer when this money is going to pay for someone else&#039;s salary in Washington?&quot; 
Negar Azimi continues:
[Other institutions have invested the money in Web zines, training sessions, workshops and exchanges. But even such mild activities can bring risks, as can be seen in the case of Ramin Ahmadi. 
A compact man, peripatetic and cordial, Ahmadi is an assistant clinical professor of medicine at Yale Medical School, founder of the Griffin Center for Health and Human Rights and a frequent commentator on Iranian affairs. Having left Iran at the age of 17 — &quot;through the hills,&quot; as he often recounts — he has devoted himself to bringing about his particular vision of a democratic Iran. When in his excited presence, you get the impression that Iran is on the verge of a revolution, that disenfranchisement, isolation and desperation have pushed people to the edge. &quot;We are where Poland was in 1981 or 1982,&quot; Ahmadi told me. 
Ahmadi and a group of partners were among the earlier recipients of State Department democracy financing, securing initial grants of $1.6 million in 2004 to start the Iran Human Rights Documentation Center.
Two years later, at least two persons have been arrested in connection with attending the Dubai workshops. To this day, Ahmadi&#039;s name continues to come up in interrogations. 
The nonviolent conflict center, for its part, is no longer running workshops with Iranians. &quot;We don&#039;t want people to get arrested,&quot; Jack DuVall, the organization&#039;s  president, told me. Reza Afshari, the professor who had been so worried by the Dubai project, has resigned from the documentation center&#039;s board, and the New Haven center has gone through three successive executive directors. But Ahmadi has carried on. He held another workshop recently following which at least three people were imprisoned in connection with their attendance, though one maintains that he was never there in the first place. Ahmadi, for his part, maintains that all of his workshops are carried out with private funds. (The State Department declined to comment on Ahmadi&#039;s work.) &quot;The question is not whether you will interfere, it is how will you interfere,&quot; he told me. &quot;They need the help now . . . but they can&#039;t possibly publicly say it. They have to say, Leave us alone. You have to not listen.&quot;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The burden of prove is with the Zionist agents who say Iranian elections was &#8216;fraud.&#8217;   Who did order Obama, the Zionist puppet, to postpone a dialogue between Iran and the US until the Iranian election is over? The answer is Israel.  Who has recently been moved to the WH to direct events in Iran? The answer is a rabid Zionist by the name of Dennis Ross, who has repeatedly put Israel’s interest ahead of American’s interest, has been transferred on to Obama’s lap in the WH to whisper into his ear how to demonize and direct the protest and then tell the world that we are just “watching.”   Who has recently strengthened and rebuilt its website to support an active role in spreading propaganda against Iran through lies and deception?   The answer is PaykeIran website, close to Mujahedeen Khalq (MEK), a puppet and spy of Israel where has recently, a week before the election, enhanced its website to provide majority of videos and films, some are totally FAKE, to influence public opinion in the West to benefit US and Israel.  Who has sent more than 10,000 CAMERAS in the shape of a pen to Iran? The answer is the Monarchists.  These Cameras are used  to ‘document’  the  predicted riot  after the Iranian  elections  to help the Zionist enablers such as, Payman Akhavan an agent of both US and Canadian  government, a Bahia law professor at McGill University  who immigrated  at the age of eight to Canada,  Roya Kakkakian , an Iranian Zionist coming from Jewish background  and  her Husband, Ramin Ahmadi, an assistant clinical professor at Yale University where all board members of  “Iran Human Rights Documentation Center”  to build “documents” against Iranians who are not puppets but leave corrupted businessman clerics such as Rafsanjani alone since he is close to the West and promoter of MARKET ECONOMY  American style. </p>
<p>“Iran Human Rights Documentation Center&#8221; located in New Haven where cooperates with “rights and democracy” in Canada, a twin sister of NED in the US.<br />
The Non-violence center let by Peter Ackerman, a Zionist billionaire like George Soros is in the business of fomenting ‘velvet revolution’ to install a US/Israel puppet like in Georgia, Ukraine, and attempted in Venezuela but failed and now is duplicating in Iran.<br />
Payman Akhavan has close contact and cooperation with SHIREEN EBADI, a puppet of Western power who received a ‘NOBEL PEACE PRIZE’ to create a ‘voice’ for the Western power in Iran. The following picture shows Payam Ekhavan standing  between Shireen Ebadi and her daughter who has recently converted, reported, to Baha’ism.</p>
<p><a href="http://media.www.mcgilltribune.com/media/storage/paper234/news/2008/12/02/News/Iranian.Press.Targets.Nobel.Prize.Winner.Ebadi-3564990.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://media.www.mcgilltribune.com/media/storage/paper234/news/2008/12/02/News/Iranian.Press.Targets.Nobel.Prize.Winner.Ebadi-3564990.shtml</a></p>
<p>Negar Azimi has published an article on these traitors in NYT “Hard Realities of Soft Power,” on June 24,2007 who reveals the nature of<br />
their work.    Emad Baghi a “human write” activist said:</p>
<p>“[T]here is a deep awareness of more recent U.S. efforts to destabilize the Islamic government. As Martin Indyk, an assistant secretary of state for Near East Affairs during the Clinton administration, recently told me: &#8220;Don&#8217;t forget 1996, when Newt Gingrich proposed an $18 million program, a covert program to overthrow the regime. From then the Iranians were convinced we were coming for them.&#8221;<br />
Emad Baghi an “human write” activist said:</p>
<p>“All of a sudden, my normal human rights work becomes political. I have one question: Why do I have to suffer when this money is going to pay for someone else&#8217;s salary in Washington?&#8221;<br />
Negar Azimi continues:<br />
[Other institutions have invested the money in Web zines, training sessions, workshops and exchanges. But even such mild activities can bring risks, as can be seen in the case of Ramin Ahmadi.<br />
A compact man, peripatetic and cordial, Ahmadi is an assistant clinical professor of medicine at Yale Medical School, founder of the Griffin Center for Health and Human Rights and a frequent commentator on Iranian affairs. Having left Iran at the age of 17 — "through the hills," as he often recounts — he has devoted himself to bringing about his particular vision of a democratic Iran. When in his excited presence, you get the impression that Iran is on the verge of a revolution, that disenfranchisement, isolation and desperation have pushed people to the edge. "We are where Poland was in 1981 or 1982," Ahmadi told me.<br />
Ahmadi and a group of partners were among the earlier recipients of State Department democracy financing, securing initial grants of $1.6 million in 2004 to start the Iran Human Rights Documentation Center.<br />
Two years later, at least two persons have been arrested in connection with attending the Dubai workshops. To this day, Ahmadi's name continues to come up in interrogations.<br />
The nonviolent conflict center, for its part, is no longer running workshops with Iranians. "We don't want people to get arrested," Jack DuVall, the organization's  president, told me. Reza Afshari, the professor who had been so worried by the Dubai project, has resigned from the documentation center's board, and the New Haven center has gone through three successive executive directors. But Ahmadi has carried on. He held another workshop recently following which at least three people were imprisoned in connection with their attendance, though one maintains that he was never there in the first place. Ahmadi, for his part, maintains that all of his workshops are carried out with private funds. (The State Department declined to comment on Ahmadi's work.) "The question is not whether you will interfere, it is how will you interfere," he told me. "They need the help now . . . but they can't possibly publicly say it. They have to say, Leave us alone. You have to not listen."]</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Ray</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/ahmadinejad-re-elected-israel-and-obama%e2%80%99s-iran-puzzle/#comment-48580</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shabnam, Do you really believe half the bull shit you say here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shabnam, Do you really believe half the bull shit you say here?</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/ahmadinejad-re-elected-israel-and-obama%e2%80%99s-iran-puzzle/#comment-48570</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A violent  &quot;protest”  has been directed against  legitimate re- election   of Ahmadinejad  by agents of  the West  who  are using election as a pretext to destabilize Iran  to sit a US puppet Mosavi, representing the corrupt cleric  businessman close to the State Department, Rafsanjani,  is in fact has all signs of  a COUP directed against Iranians who  have participated in this elections  and  freely  have chosen Ahmadinejad and not  the puppet of Zionists and imperialists war criminals.

The traitors and agents of Zionism/imperialism are trying to paint Khamamenie as another &quot;MOLLA OMAR” like in Afghanistan by slogan such as “down with dictator” so they can bring Iran under control through violence and chaos creating another killing field similar to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan with the help of Zionist  5th column in IRAN to place US puppet, Mosavi who has been absent from Iranian politics, at least, for the last 20 years. 
The provocateurs in this video clearly are equipped with WEAPON, pieces of stone where have been cut in suitable sizes and sharp edges fit to KILL.  Many provocateurs are carrying  big pack backs and large hand backs filled with stones to throw at their targets, whatever it might be, to create injuries and chaos.  This video shows provocateurs are taking stones out of few white canvas bags where are placed in the street one by one and throw these stone at their targets.
In additon, A monarchist in Los Angeles in an interview told that the monarchist have send more than 10,000  pen which in fact are CAMERA to documents the riot in Iran.  SHAME ON YOU ALL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmyWk9jdN88&amp;eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eiranian%2Ecom%2Fmain%2F2009%2Fjun%2Flatest%2Dprotests&amp;feature=player_embedded</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A violent  &#8220;protest”  has been directed against  legitimate re- election   of Ahmadinejad  by agents of  the West  who  are using election as a pretext to destabilize Iran  to sit a US puppet Mosavi, representing the corrupt cleric  businessman close to the State Department, Rafsanjani,  is in fact has all signs of  a COUP directed against Iranians who  have participated in this elections  and  freely  have chosen Ahmadinejad and not  the puppet of Zionists and imperialists war criminals.</p>
<p>The traitors and agents of Zionism/imperialism are trying to paint Khamamenie as another &#8220;MOLLA OMAR” like in Afghanistan by slogan such as “down with dictator” so they can bring Iran under control through violence and chaos creating another killing field similar to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan with the help of Zionist  5th column in IRAN to place US puppet, Mosavi who has been absent from Iranian politics, at least, for the last 20 years.<br />
The provocateurs in this video clearly are equipped with WEAPON, pieces of stone where have been cut in suitable sizes and sharp edges fit to KILL.  Many provocateurs are carrying  big pack backs and large hand backs filled with stones to throw at their targets, whatever it might be, to create injuries and chaos.  This video shows provocateurs are taking stones out of few white canvas bags where are placed in the street one by one and throw these stone at their targets.<br />
In additon, A monarchist in Los Angeles in an interview told that the monarchist have send more than 10,000  pen which in fact are CAMERA to documents the riot in Iran.  SHAME ON YOU ALL.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmyWk9jdN88&amp;eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eiranian%2Ecom%2Fmain%2F2009%2Fjun%2Flatest%2Dprotests&amp;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmyWk9jdN88&amp;eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eiranian%2Ecom%2Fmain%2F2009%2Fjun%2Flatest%2Dprotests&amp;feature=player_embedded</a></p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dan e, i am using the word &quot;jew&quot;   to denote any person who has a connection to any  judaist, yiddische sprache/culture, or judaism.
to distinguish euros with judaic cult, or connection to it,  from israelis or even judeans i put the word &quot;jew&quot;  under single quotes.

in any case, as of yet the nameless  people, need a name but we don&#039;t want them to also highjack the  hebrew name after highjacking their language.
they can have it, i don&#039;t care. Perhaps calling these people &quot;ashkenazim&quot;  might clarify the situation. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan e, i am using the word &#8220;jew&#8221;   to denote any person who has a connection to any  judaist, yiddische sprache/culture, or judaism.<br />
to distinguish euros with judaic cult, or connection to it,  from israelis or even judeans i put the word &#8220;jew&#8221;  under single quotes.</p>
<p>in any case, as of yet the nameless  people, need a name but we don&#8217;t want them to also highjack the  hebrew name after highjacking their language.<br />
they can have it, i don&#8217;t care. Perhaps calling these people &#8220;ashkenazim&#8221;  might clarify the situation. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bozh, Bozh. Oh dear. Well my friend, let me reach into my bag &amp; haul out an obsolete US ghetto folksaying: &quot;You got the right idea, but the wrong attitude&quot;:) Which means the opposite of what it says literally; it was used to indicate that while the user was in sympathy with the addressee&#039;s general sentiments, Addressee was too shaky about the facts to elicit wholehearted agreement. 
We have to be careful about using terms like &quot;The Jews&quot;. Sometimes the term is used as shorthand for something like &quot;the organized Zionists who run the officially recognized &quot;Jewish Community&quot;, but such a usage is too loose and prone to misinterpretation to use in a public forum. I&#039;ve heard/read the expression used by several anti-Zionist Jewish activists but only in a context where it would be understood it did not refer to everyone of Jewish background. Of course most of us know that the majority of leading US  critics of Israel and of Zionism are themselves Jewish, but I don&#039;t think we can assume that all DV readers know that? 
The zionist strategy is to paint all critics of Israel and of the US pro-Israel &quot;Lobby&quot; as anti-Semitic bigoted crackpots. But you know that so I&#039;ll say no more. 
Re &quot;nukes&quot; &amp; &quot;the US Army&quot;: this is too vague. I think you need to &quot;bone up&quot; on the &quot;official&quot; Chain of Command, be clear that the Army is part of the DOD which is officially run by the Secretary of Defense serving &quot;at the pleasure of the President&quot; after confirmation by the Senate. Officially the Sec of Defense is senior to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Etc etc. Once you are clear about the Official line of authority, you are in a position to start trying to discern the REAL, operative chain of command and lines of influence. To begin &quot;White House-watching&quot;, in the sense that the US Media used to boast of their skill at &quot;Kremlin Watching&quot;. 
With regard to the Middle East, Palestine, the invasion of Iraq &amp; the push for a first-strike vs Iran: once you have read the key contributions to the case vs the pro-Israel lobby cum thought police cum system of political influence, you are in a position to agree or disagree, to support and go further -- or to marshal arguments/facts indicating flaws in the anti-ZPC case as presented. 
I&#039;ll avoid repeating names &amp; titles I&#039;ve recently posted elsewhere on DV, but if you want me to I&#039;ll be glad to. 
However I think you&#039;d enjoy reading -- if you haven&#039;t already -- Lenni Brenner&#039;s book &quot;Zionism in the Age of the Dictators&quot;. Disclaimer: I don&#039;t share Lenni&#039;s Trotskyism, but his historical research is superb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bozh, Bozh. Oh dear. Well my friend, let me reach into my bag &amp; haul out an obsolete US ghetto folksaying: &#8220;You got the right idea, but the wrong attitude&#8221;:) Which means the opposite of what it says literally; it was used to indicate that while the user was in sympathy with the addressee&#8217;s general sentiments, Addressee was too shaky about the facts to elicit wholehearted agreement.<br />
We have to be careful about using terms like &#8220;The Jews&#8221;. Sometimes the term is used as shorthand for something like &#8220;the organized Zionists who run the officially recognized &#8220;Jewish Community&#8221;, but such a usage is too loose and prone to misinterpretation to use in a public forum. I&#8217;ve heard/read the expression used by several anti-Zionist Jewish activists but only in a context where it would be understood it did not refer to everyone of Jewish background. Of course most of us know that the majority of leading US  critics of Israel and of Zionism are themselves Jewish, but I don&#8217;t think we can assume that all DV readers know that?<br />
The zionist strategy is to paint all critics of Israel and of the US pro-Israel &#8220;Lobby&#8221; as anti-Semitic bigoted crackpots. But you know that so I&#8217;ll say no more.<br />
Re &#8220;nukes&#8221; &amp; &#8220;the US Army&#8221;: this is too vague. I think you need to &#8220;bone up&#8221; on the &#8220;official&#8221; Chain of Command, be clear that the Army is part of the DOD which is officially run by the Secretary of Defense serving &#8220;at the pleasure of the President&#8221; after confirmation by the Senate. Officially the Sec of Defense is senior to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Etc etc. Once you are clear about the Official line of authority, you are in a position to start trying to discern the REAL, operative chain of command and lines of influence. To begin &#8220;White House-watching&#8221;, in the sense that the US Media used to boast of their skill at &#8220;Kremlin Watching&#8221;.<br />
With regard to the Middle East, Palestine, the invasion of Iraq &amp; the push for a first-strike vs Iran: once you have read the key contributions to the case vs the pro-Israel lobby cum thought police cum system of political influence, you are in a position to agree or disagree, to support and go further &#8212; or to marshal arguments/facts indicating flaws in the anti-ZPC case as presented.<br />
I&#8217;ll avoid repeating names &amp; titles I&#8217;ve recently posted elsewhere on DV, but if you want me to I&#8217;ll be glad to.<br />
However I think you&#8217;d enjoy reading &#8212; if you haven&#8217;t already &#8212; Lenni Brenner&#8217;s book &#8220;Zionism in the Age of the Dictators&#8221;. Disclaimer: I don&#8217;t share Lenni&#8217;s Trotskyism, but his historical research is superb.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, according to some observers, &#039;jews&#039;  have puppetized even US.
according to another group of thinkers, it is the other way around.
however it may be, US nuclear weapons seem to be, or most likely are, controled by US army.
or are the &#039;jews&#039; also controling [anywhere btwn 0-100%]  cia, fbi, police, armed services, WH, and congress?

it seems that only WH can order use of nukes as a first strike weapon. But there may be not enough &#039;jewish&#039; zionists in the WH to take over this command as well.
yes, there are in the WH also non-jewish zionists but may love america more than israel.
i&#039;d love to read more about all of this. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, according to some observers, &#8216;jews&#8217;  have puppetized even US.<br />
according to another group of thinkers, it is the other way around.<br />
however it may be, US nuclear weapons seem to be, or most likely are, controled by US army.<br />
or are the &#8216;jews&#8217; also controling [anywhere btwn 0-100%]  cia, fbi, police, armed services, WH, and congress?</p>
<p>it seems that only WH can order use of nukes as a first strike weapon. But there may be not enough &#8216;jewish&#8217; zionists in the WH to take over this command as well.<br />
yes, there are in the WH also non-jewish zionists but may love america more than israel.<br />
i&#8217;d love to read more about all of this. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again we see the real rogue state, the country that kills hundreds of children with impunity, when not starving them with a vicious siege or driving them mad with nightly supersonic overflights (acts of sheer racist sadism)and which then histrionically demands the world&#039;s admiration, setting out to engineer another massacre on the scale of Iraq. The media, controlled as every sentient being knows, either by Judaic Zionists or their closely collaborating stooges, is acting in precisely the same fashion as with &#039;Saddam&#039;s WMD&#039;. That is by spreading utterly undifferentiated propaganda, absent any hard evidence, relying as ever on nothing more than the revealed truth of arrogant assertion. All opinion to the contrary, abundant, cogent and convincing on the net, is ruthlessly censored, once again as in 2002 vis-a-vis Iraq.
               In the last few days as the &#039;colour revolution&#039;, the re-run of 1953, began to flag, despite the faked death scenes reminiscent of Ukraine and the Orange obscenity, the whips have obviously been cracking. Here in Australia both the Murdoch sewer and the &#039;national broadcaster&#039; the ABC, where pro-Israel ardour is de rigeur, the intensity of the propaganda has reached a fever pitch. The usual loathsome, condescending, arrogance of the various varicose specimens of approved Rightwing groupthink has been cranked up a notch. It is reminiscent of September 2002, when the irrevocable decision to attack Iraq had been taken, and the Rightwing media and the puppet regimes in the UK and Australia noticeably increased the ferocity of their lies and disinformation.
                      The only possible conclusion that one can draw from these developments, and the connected economic &#039;reforms&#039; that hand the US over to its bankster masters grouped about that nest of Gentiles, the Federal Reserve, is that Obama has been chosen as the deceiving figure-head for the great contest to re-assert US/Israeli global hegemony. If Iran is attacked so blatantly, with recourse to cyber attacks, direct subversion, funded to the tune of $400 million (at least) according to Seymour Hersh et al, terrorist strikes, assassinations etc, and knowledge of the entire panoply of aggressive crimes can simply be suppressed by the &#039;Free Press&#039;,when will it be Russia, or China&#039;s turn? Judging by US economic travail, not long I would say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again we see the real rogue state, the country that kills hundreds of children with impunity, when not starving them with a vicious siege or driving them mad with nightly supersonic overflights (acts of sheer racist sadism)and which then histrionically demands the world&#8217;s admiration, setting out to engineer another massacre on the scale of Iraq. The media, controlled as every sentient being knows, either by Judaic Zionists or their closely collaborating stooges, is acting in precisely the same fashion as with &#8216;Saddam&#8217;s WMD&#8217;. That is by spreading utterly undifferentiated propaganda, absent any hard evidence, relying as ever on nothing more than the revealed truth of arrogant assertion. All opinion to the contrary, abundant, cogent and convincing on the net, is ruthlessly censored, once again as in 2002 vis-a-vis Iraq.<br />
               In the last few days as the &#8216;colour revolution&#8217;, the re-run of 1953, began to flag, despite the faked death scenes reminiscent of Ukraine and the Orange obscenity, the whips have obviously been cracking. Here in Australia both the Murdoch sewer and the &#8216;national broadcaster&#8217; the ABC, where pro-Israel ardour is de rigeur, the intensity of the propaganda has reached a fever pitch. The usual loathsome, condescending, arrogance of the various varicose specimens of approved Rightwing groupthink has been cranked up a notch. It is reminiscent of September 2002, when the irrevocable decision to attack Iraq had been taken, and the Rightwing media and the puppet regimes in the UK and Australia noticeably increased the ferocity of their lies and disinformation.<br />
                      The only possible conclusion that one can draw from these developments, and the connected economic &#8216;reforms&#8217; that hand the US over to its bankster masters grouped about that nest of Gentiles, the Federal Reserve, is that Obama has been chosen as the deceiving figure-head for the great contest to re-assert US/Israeli global hegemony. If Iran is attacked so blatantly, with recourse to cyber attacks, direct subversion, funded to the tune of $400 million (at least) according to Seymour Hersh et al, terrorist strikes, assassinations etc, and knowledge of the entire panoply of aggressive crimes can simply be suppressed by the &#8216;Free Press&#8217;,when will it be Russia, or China&#8217;s turn? Judging by US economic travail, not long I would say.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Ahmadinejad’s victory will serve as further proof that diplomacy with Iran is not an option, from the point of view of Israel and its supporters in the US.&#039;


proof to whom? and since when has the US followed the path of diplomacy?

&#039;In some way, Ahmadinejad’s victory was the best news for Israel. &#039;

is this the same irael that invaded Lebanon and gaza with complete impunity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Ahmadinejad’s victory will serve as further proof that diplomacy with Iran is not an option, from the point of view of Israel and its supporters in the US.&#8217;</p>
<p>proof to whom? and since when has the US followed the path of diplomacy?</p>
<p>&#8216;In some way, Ahmadinejad’s victory was the best news for Israel. &#8216;</p>
<p>is this the same irael that invaded Lebanon and gaza with complete impunity?</p>
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