Comments on: Why Women Need Single Payer http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/why-women-need-single-payer/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/why-women-need-single-payer/#comment-46530 Deadbeat Thu, 21 May 2009 09:37:58 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8281#comment-46530 What women and what we all need is UNIVERSAL WELFARE. How is a woman facing homelessness going to do with health care is she cannot get proper shelter, food, clothes, and none of these items are free? I suspect the health care issue is really an inoculation for those in the "middle class" who fear bankruptcy but really doesn't give a shit about the poor. Should national health care pass what then? Does the struggle for a real social wage go away? Why should the "middle class" give a damn once they have their security? I certainly don't see too many people of color on the forefront of the demand for health care. In fact a "mass movement" for single payer health care seem missing in action to me. No disrespect, health care is very important but seeing a doctor (most of whom are allopathic if not psychopathic QUACKS) is a very small aspect of real health care. Housing, education, food, financial security, stable relationships and solidarity are much more important to health than seeing a doctor. What women and what we all need is UNIVERSAL WELFARE. How is a woman facing homelessness going to do with health care is she cannot get proper shelter, food, clothes, and none of these items are free? I suspect the health care issue is really an inoculation for those in the “middle class” who fear bankruptcy but really doesn’t give a shit about the poor. Should national health care pass what then? Does the struggle for a real social wage go away? Why should the “middle class” give a damn once they have their security?

I certainly don’t see too many people of color on the forefront of the demand for health care. In fact a “mass movement” for single payer health care seem missing in action to me.

No disrespect, health care is very important but seeing a doctor (most of whom are allopathic if not psychopathic QUACKS) is a very small aspect of real health care. Housing, education, food, financial security, stable relationships and solidarity are much more important to health than seeing a doctor.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/why-women-need-single-payer/#comment-46359 bozh Tue, 19 May 2009 21:59:36 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8281#comment-46359 lichen, yes. healthcare, right to be informed, among other basic human rights is every human being's rightful inheritance. lichen, yes.
healthcare, right to be informed, among other basic human rights is every human being’s rightful inheritance.

]]> By: lichen http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/why-women-need-single-payer/#comment-46353 lichen Tue, 19 May 2009 20:39:04 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8281#comment-46353 Yes, single payer is the only solution, because health care is a human right, and single payer is the most equitable, efficient, and financially prudent way of delivering that required human right. Everyone needs it equally. Yes, single payer is the only solution, because health care is a human right, and single payer is the most equitable, efficient, and financially prudent way of delivering that required human right. Everyone needs it equally.

]]> By: Gary Lapon http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/why-women-need-single-payer/#comment-46349 Gary Lapon Tue, 19 May 2009 19:52:29 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8281#comment-46349 I don't think the single-payer is the be-all and end-all solution to all of the problems within the health care system, gender inequality included, but it would definitely be a big improvement ove r what we have now. And the process and result of building the kind of movement I think it will take to win single payer would be a great step forward and could be channelled into other related struggles against oppression, labor and class struggle, etc. The question is an old one, that between reform and revolution. Rosa Luxemburg wrote a book by that title, "Reform or Revolution." Basically she argues that while it is impossible to simply reform the existing system from one of capitalism into one of socialism where the needs of all are met, revolutionaries must engage in struggles for reforms if they seek revolutionary change. This is because these struggles build confidence in terms of our ability to change things, and because they reveal to the participants the limits of what is possible within the current system and with that the need for a revolution. And as to the chances of real, significant change occurring, much of that is up to us and others like us to build the movements from the bottom up to demand the change we need. Douglass again: "power concedes nothing without a demand!" I don’t think the single-payer is the be-all and end-all solution to all of the problems within the health care system, gender inequality included, but it would definitely be a big improvement ove r what we have now. And the process and result of building the kind of movement I think it will take to win single payer would be a great step forward and could be channelled into other related struggles against oppression, labor and class struggle, etc.

The question is an old one, that between reform and revolution. Rosa Luxemburg wrote a book by that title, “Reform or Revolution.” Basically she argues that while it is impossible to simply reform the existing system from one of capitalism into one of socialism where the needs of all are met, revolutionaries must engage in struggles for reforms if they seek revolutionary change. This is because these struggles build confidence in terms of our ability to change things, and because they reveal to the participants the limits of what is possible within the current system and with that the need for a revolution.

And as to the chances of real, significant change occurring, much of that is up to us and others like us to build the movements from the bottom up to demand the change we need. Douglass again: “power concedes nothing without a demand!”

]]> By: rg the lg http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/why-women-need-single-payer/#comment-46342 rg the lg Tue, 19 May 2009 19:24:20 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8281#comment-46342 OK ... so single payer is better than the current system ... But, structurally, it is THE SYSTEM. Until we realize that THE SYSTEM is causing the problem, and the roots of the SYSTEM are in the CONSTITUTION with its emphasis on stasis and the protections of wealth, there are always going to be members of an underclass. Except for actual chattel slavery, women have never been treated equally ... and they never will be. The bottom line is that once women have enough money to NOT be in the lower class of our society and can afford to be treated as something other than the forgotten, they don't need single payer. And therein lies the rub ... cause enough trouble for the system and it will do just enough to co-opt the problem-people. So, real change will only come when REAL CHANGE occurs with the SYSTEM. The illusion of democracy, the brainwashing about how exceptional we are, is ridiculous ... but the chances for CHANGE? About 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 Maybe even less! RG the LG OK … so single payer is better than the current system …

But, structurally, it is THE SYSTEM. Until we realize that THE SYSTEM is causing the problem, and the roots of the SYSTEM are in the CONSTITUTION with its emphasis on stasis and the protections of wealth, there are always going to be members of an underclass. Except for actual chattel slavery, women have never been treated equally … and they never will be. The bottom line is that once women have enough money to NOT be in the lower class of our society and can afford to be treated as something other than the forgotten, they don’t need single payer. And therein lies the rub … cause enough trouble for the system and it will do just enough to co-opt the problem-people.

So, real change will only come when REAL CHANGE occurs with the SYSTEM. The illusion of democracy, the brainwashing about how exceptional we are, is ridiculous … but the chances for CHANGE? About 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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Maybe even less!

RG the LG

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