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	<title>Comments on: What Obama Isn’t Going to Change about Military Commissions</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46868</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 01:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then don&#039;t waste your time, Lloyd. I&#039;m just saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then don&#8217;t waste your time, Lloyd. I&#8217;m just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46865</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 01:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should I waste my time, Jeremy, if you only &quot;could&quot; consider it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should I waste my time, Jeremy, if you only &#8220;could&#8221; consider it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46860</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 00:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But if you think you could write a better article, Lloyd, go right ahead. I could consider it for publication at www.foreignpolicyjournal.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if you think you could write a better article, Lloyd, go right ahead. I could consider it for publication at <a href="http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46859</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 00:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lloyd, yes. I could insert your parenthetical there. But I wouldn&#039;t. I wouldn&#039;t because a) as I already said, I don&#039;t agree that Obama would change anything by simply uttering the words &quot;United Nations&quot; and b) it&#039;s tangential to the point of the article.

There are an infinite number of things one &quot;could&quot; say in an article, but one has to weigh which of those are most directly to the point when writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lloyd, yes. I could insert your parenthetical there. But I wouldn&#8217;t. I wouldn&#8217;t because a) as I already said, I don&#8217;t agree that Obama would change anything by simply uttering the words &#8220;United Nations&#8221; and b) it&#8217;s tangential to the point of the article.</p>
<p>There are an infinite number of things one &#8220;could&#8221; say in an article, but one has to weigh which of those are most directly to the point when writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46834</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 18:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, Your 7th and 8th paragraphs could be rewritten and combined to read:

&quot;One thing Obama isn&#039;t changing is the f act that the detainees are considered &#039;unlawful enemy combatants&#039; under the Military Commissions Act of 2006.  Under the Act, an(d) &#039;unlawful enemy combatant&#039; means anyone who has &#039;engaged in hostilities&#039; against the U.S., &#039;including a person who is part of the Taliban, al Qaeda, or associated forces.&#039;  That pretty much includes anyone who has exercised his right to take up arms against the foreign invading and occupying U.S. forces in Afghanistan - a right protected under the U.N. Charter, which recognizes &#039;the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense&#039; against armed attack.  (In this context, and from Obama&#039;s persistent refusal to say the words &#039;United Nations&#039; in his addresses to the American public, another thing the man isn&#039;t going to change is America&#039;s tragic unilateralism on the Asian landmass.)  But a &#039;lawful enemy combatant&#039; is a member of a regular, uniformed army, under military commissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, Your 7th and 8th paragraphs could be rewritten and combined to read:</p>
<p>&#8220;One thing Obama isn&#8217;t changing is the f act that the detainees are considered &#8216;unlawful enemy combatants&#8217; under the Military Commissions Act of 2006.  Under the Act, an(d) &#8216;unlawful enemy combatant&#8217; means anyone who has &#8216;engaged in hostilities&#8217; against the U.S., &#8216;including a person who is part of the Taliban, al Qaeda, or associated forces.&#8217;  That pretty much includes anyone who has exercised his right to take up arms against the foreign invading and occupying U.S. forces in Afghanistan &#8211; a right protected under the U.N. Charter, which recognizes &#8216;the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense&#8217; against armed attack.  (In this context, and from Obama&#8217;s persistent refusal to say the words &#8216;United Nations&#8217; in his addresses to the American public, another thing the man isn&#8217;t going to change is America&#8217;s tragic unilateralism on the Asian landmass.)  But a &#8216;lawful enemy combatant&#8217; is a member of a regular, uniformed army, under military commissions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46767</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 00:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lloyd, on your first point, yes, we disagree.

As for your assertion that my article is unhelpful, well, I disagree with you there, too.

If you think the U.N. should have some mention in this article, I&#039;m all ears for you to explain in what capacity it should be included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lloyd, on your first point, yes, we disagree.</p>
<p>As for your assertion that my article is unhelpful, well, I disagree with you there, too.</p>
<p>If you think the U.N. should have some mention in this article, I&#8217;m all ears for you to explain in what capacity it should be included.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46752</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 20:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nations, disunited like never before, do not earn the name  &quot;United Nations&quot;.
One block, the most powerful, is united like never before in perping unprecendented crimes.

another large block, weak econo-militarily, can only vote for resolutions  or cower in fear of being the next in line.
and there is another block of nations which wld earn label  &quot;evil empires&quot;

switzerland is a block by itself; it does the right thing by staying away from the snake pit. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nations, disunited like never before, do not earn the name  &#8220;United Nations&#8221;.<br />
One block, the most powerful, is united like never before in perping unprecendented crimes.</p>
<p>another large block, weak econo-militarily, can only vote for resolutions  or cower in fear of being the next in line.<br />
and there is another block of nations which wld earn label  &#8220;evil empires&#8221;</p>
<p>switzerland is a block by itself; it does the right thing by staying away from the snake pit. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46745</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 19:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garrett I agree.

Lloyd, if only the United Nations was not poorly constructed it could have real value.

If the UN could be what its charter set out to be, there would be no talk about the corruption of the institution by the likes of the US and its client nation-states. (A good history is presented by Paul Kennedy, The Parliament of Man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garrett I agree.</p>
<p>Lloyd, if only the United Nations was not poorly constructed it could have real value.</p>
<p>If the UN could be what its charter set out to be, there would be no talk about the corruption of the institution by the likes of the US and its client nation-states. (A good history is presented by Paul Kennedy, The Parliament of Man.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46727</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 17:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you understand my first point, Jeremy.  And I just strongly disagree with you.   If Obama started mentioning the words &quot;United Nations&quot; in his talks to the American public, it WOULD make an enormous difference.  

As for my second point, I&#039;m saying words are frequently a pale substitute for action, and as long as &quot;the experts&quot; treat the words &quot;United Nations&quot; like the right wing-nuts do, articles like yours don&#039;t help. 

There is a United Nations.  And almost the entire world - with the most significant exceptions of American and Israel - takes it seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you understand my first point, Jeremy.  And I just strongly disagree with you.   If Obama started mentioning the words &#8220;United Nations&#8221; in his talks to the American public, it WOULD make an enormous difference.  </p>
<p>As for my second point, I&#8217;m saying words are frequently a pale substitute for action, and as long as &#8220;the experts&#8221; treat the words &#8220;United Nations&#8221; like the right wing-nuts do, articles like yours don&#8217;t help. </p>
<p>There is a United Nations.  And almost the entire world &#8211; with the most significant exceptions of American and Israel &#8211; takes it seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46724</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 16:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people pulling Obama&#039;s strings certainly care about controlling oil and other resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people pulling Obama&#8217;s strings certainly care about controlling oil and other resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46716</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 14:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama uses the bait and switch to the delight of the status quo power elite.

He says this, does that. 

As far as oil in the Middle East, DB is absolutely right there is no oil and now that we have gone totally green, nukes and all, we only fight and die to keep Israel happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama uses the bait and switch to the delight of the status quo power elite.</p>
<p>He says this, does that. </p>
<p>As far as oil in the Middle East, DB is absolutely right there is no oil and now that we have gone totally green, nukes and all, we only fight and die to keep Israel happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46713</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 14:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Obama mentioning the U.N. would change anything insofar as the U.S. foreign affairs agenda being independent of the rest of the world&#039;s agenda.

As for your second point, I still don&#039;t see what it is, unless you&#039;re just trying to say that people speaking out and trying to do something to make a change are wasting their time.

In which case I would just strongly disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Obama mentioning the U.N. would change anything insofar as the U.S. foreign affairs agenda being independent of the rest of the world&#8217;s agenda.</p>
<p>As for your second point, I still don&#8217;t see what it is, unless you&#8217;re just trying to say that people speaking out and trying to do something to make a change are wasting their time.</p>
<p>In which case I would just strongly disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46712</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 13:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m illustrating my own points, Jeremy.  And just being ego-centric.  But certainly it&#039;s clear, isn&#039;t it, that until Obama starts MENTIONING the United Nations, the U.S. will be continuing the cycle of setting its foreign affairs agenda independently of the rest of the world&#039;s agenda?

Second question: Isn&#039;t it obvious that words are what you&#039;re engaged in, however high-falutin&#039; and outside &quot;the standard framework&quot; Foreign Policy Journal may be.... And.... yes, we need the words....but Obama can out-wordsmith, out-audience, out-jaw everyone and anyone, and unless we rejoin the world in the UN, us jawboners will keep losing, losing, losing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m illustrating my own points, Jeremy.  And just being ego-centric.  But certainly it&#8217;s clear, isn&#8217;t it, that until Obama starts MENTIONING the United Nations, the U.S. will be continuing the cycle of setting its foreign affairs agenda independently of the rest of the world&#8217;s agenda?</p>
<p>Second question: Isn&#8217;t it obvious that words are what you&#8217;re engaged in, however high-falutin&#8217; and outside &#8220;the standard framework&#8221; Foreign Policy Journal may be&#8230;. And&#8230;. yes, we need the words&#8230;.but Obama can out-wordsmith, out-audience, out-jaw everyone and anyone, and unless we rejoin the world in the UN, us jawboners will keep losing, losing, losing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46711</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 13:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lloyd, I don&#039;t understand either of your questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lloyd, I don&#8217;t understand either of your questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46705</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 12:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where does the United Nations fit in to any of this article, Jeremy?  I&#039;ve been repeatedly appalled by Obama&#039;s never uttering the words &quot;United Nations&quot; in any of his speeches about American foreign policy and international relations.  

And your article&#039;s fifth paragraph in its entirety is: 

&#039;The first problem with Obama’s continuation of Bush’s policy, albeit a “kinder, gentler” version of it, to borrow Glenn Greenwald’s tongue-in-cheek description, is that “the overwhelming bulk of the objections to what the Bush administration did was to the very idea of military commission themselves”, as Greenwald observed last week.&#039;

How can anyone reading these lines  continue the article without the nagging suspicion that you&#039;re simply engaged in a debate about what have been &#039;the overwhelming bulk of the objections&#039; to &#039;what the Bush administration did&#039; - and you think so far Greenwald has gotten more comments than you have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where does the United Nations fit in to any of this article, Jeremy?  I&#8217;ve been repeatedly appalled by Obama&#8217;s never uttering the words &#8220;United Nations&#8221; in any of his speeches about American foreign policy and international relations.  </p>
<p>And your article&#8217;s fifth paragraph in its entirety is: </p>
<p>&#8216;The first problem with Obama’s continuation of Bush’s policy, albeit a “kinder, gentler” version of it, to borrow Glenn Greenwald’s tongue-in-cheek description, is that “the overwhelming bulk of the objections to what the Bush administration did was to the very idea of military commission themselves”, as Greenwald observed last week.&#8217;</p>
<p>How can anyone reading these lines  continue the article without the nagging suspicion that you&#8217;re simply engaged in a debate about what have been &#8216;the overwhelming bulk of the objections&#8217; to &#8216;what the Bush administration did&#8217; &#8211; and you think so far Greenwald has gotten more comments than you have?</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46692</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 07:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm,

  What ever happened to all those &quot;progressives&quot; who said the war on Iraq was a war for Oil?  Clearly that can&#039;t use that excuse since Obama never had any ties to oil companies yet he is carrying forward the policies of Bush/Chaney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm,</p>
<p>  What ever happened to all those &#8220;progressives&#8221; who said the war on Iraq was a war for Oil?  Clearly that can&#8217;t use that excuse since Obama never had any ties to oil companies yet he is carrying forward the policies of Bush/Chaney.</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46673</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 23:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guards, the members of the democrats and bush administration which dared to illegally abduct, wrongfully imprison, and torture humans for years at Gauntanomo, now including Obama, are the ones who should be prosecuted.  The prisoners there are now victims, owed compensation and justice against their US captives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guards, the members of the democrats and bush administration which dared to illegally abduct, wrongfully imprison, and torture humans for years at Gauntanomo, now including Obama, are the ones who should be prosecuted.  The prisoners there are now victims, owed compensation and justice against their US captives.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46667</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 21:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article from Jeremy, and also a good comment from John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article from Jeremy, and also a good comment from John.</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Hatch</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/what-obama-isn%e2%80%99t-going-to-change-about-military-commissions/#comment-46664</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Hatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 21:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article!

Obama&#039;s approach does not materially differ from Bush&#039;s. And he&#039;s willing to to keep people imprisoned indefinitely for the crime of having been tortured.

America no longer even pretends to be sane!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article!</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s approach does not materially differ from Bush&#8217;s. And he&#8217;s willing to to keep people imprisoned indefinitely for the crime of having been tortured.</p>
<p>America no longer even pretends to be sane!</p>
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