Comments on: Two Sides of the Same Coin: Heads-Heads http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/two-sides-of-the-same-coin-heads-heads/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:58:11 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: julie http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/two-sides-of-the-same-coin-heads-heads/#comment-47066 julie Thu, 28 May 2009 19:02:14 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8401#comment-47066 I voted for Nader. I took the time to check out all the media-hype on what appeared to be the Second Coming. A man who was a 'junior Senator' all of 141 days. He gets to be a major speaker at the Democratic Convention-2004/ while Russ Feingold the ONLY Senator who bothered to read and votes AGAINST the Patriot Act was treated like a leper! No his PhD mother was NOT on food stamps. Please - she married an Indonesian oil executive after Obama's father left (he was a mere infant). They didn't have the food stamp program in Hawaii at that time/ not that Barack (called Barry back then). He attended private school -his grandmother was VP of Hawaiian Bank etc/ hardly the life of a typical US Black citizen! NO his mother who worked for USAID-Ford Foundation in Indonesia/Pakistan was NOT groveling for medical care. WHY would she with ovarian cancer be worried about paperwork anyway with her son a HARVARD lawyer? Duh. Mainly I didn't vote for him (everything was a lie or exaggeration) was because his mother returned from Indonesia in 94 / was immediatly admitted to Sloan Kettering. Her mother/ daughter (by Indonesian husband) were with her constantly. Barack never visited her. He was too busy running for ILL state office and doing his book tour. She died in '95. I thought about that a long time. No matter what his issues were/ if he couldn't be with his mom/ he wasn't going to care for us ---strangers!! PS. I didn't know they had a chef in Chicago/ and Michele's 200,000+ raise, when Barack made US Senator (marked for Presidency) . Her salary was $316,000 and she lamented with Ohio women (their thousands all unemployed) of how HARD it was paying $10,000 a year for the kids ballet & extracurricular activities! I can't believe that the media has been almost mute on his aunt (from Kenya) who lives in Public Housing/ Medicaid etc in Boston!! What? When they made over $4.3 million (tax returns in 07). I voted for Nader. I took the time to check out all the media-hype on what
appeared to be the Second Coming. A man who was a ‘junior Senator’ all of
141 days. He gets to be a major speaker at the Democratic Convention-2004/ while Russ Feingold the ONLY Senator who bothered to read and votes AGAINST the Patriot Act was treated like a leper! No his PhD mother was NOT on food stamps. Please – she married an Indonesian oil executive after Obama’s father left (he was a mere infant). They didn’t have the food stamp program in Hawaii at that time/ not that Barack (called Barry back then). He attended private school -his grandmother was VP of Hawaiian Bank etc/ hardly the life of a typical US Black citizen! NO his mother who worked for USAID-Ford Foundation in Indonesia/Pakistan was NOT groveling for medical care. WHY would she with ovarian cancer be worried about paperwork anyway with her son a HARVARD lawyer? Duh. Mainly I didn’t vote for him (everything was a lie or exaggeration) was because his mother returned from Indonesia in 94 / was immediatly admitted to Sloan Kettering. Her mother/ daughter (by Indonesian husband) were with her constantly. Barack never visited her. He was too busy running for ILL state office and doing his book tour. She died in ‘95. I thought about that a long time. No matter what his issues were/ if he couldn’t be with his mom/ he wasn’t going to care for us —strangers!! PS. I didn’t know they had a chef in Chicago/ and Michele’s 200,000+ raise, when Barack made US Senator (marked for Presidency) . Her salary was $316,000 and she lamented with Ohio women (their thousands all unemployed) of how HARD it was paying $10,000 a year for the kids ballet & extracurricular activities! I can’t believe that the media has been almost mute on his aunt (from Kenya) who lives in Public Housing/ Medicaid etc in Boston!! What? When they made over $4.3 million (tax returns in 07).

]]> By: Eric http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/two-sides-of-the-same-coin-heads-heads/#comment-47014 Eric Wed, 27 May 2009 17:03:17 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8401#comment-47014 Thank you Sibel Edmonds for this fine article. You are one of the few bright lights out here. In the beginningof the last campaign a friend asked me what I thought of Obama. I said I did not know and my friend asked me to check Obama out to see what I felt about him then. My finding on Obama was that he was center right, pro corpotate, pro globalist and had an authortarian streak. His voting record proved it. Unfortunately no one listened to my warnings and we now have OBush in full force. All I can say is that we the people must organize and protest to get our concerns met. Get the articles of impeachment ready! Eric Thank you Sibel Edmonds for this fine article. You are one of the few bright lights out here.

In the beginningof the last campaign a friend asked me what I thought of Obama. I said I did not know and my friend asked me to check Obama out to see what I felt about him then.

My finding on Obama was that he was center right, pro corpotate, pro globalist and had an authortarian streak. His voting record proved it. Unfortunately no one listened to my warnings and we now have OBush in full force.

All I can say is that we the people must organize and protest to get our concerns met. Get the articles of impeachment ready!

Eric

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/two-sides-of-the-same-coin-heads-heads/#comment-47009 bozh Wed, 27 May 2009 13:23:31 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8401#comment-47009 mulga, hey, what's up with chomsky warning us about obama? chomsky, according to alternate media, has said to vote for obama; i.e., vote for lesser evil! that, to me, was a wrong advice! Chomsky is also for a twostate nonsolution; i.e., a minizionist, at least to me. tnx bozhidar balkas vancouver mulga, hey, what’s up with chomsky warning us about obama?
chomsky, according to alternate media, has said to vote for obama; i.e., vote for lesser evil!
that, to me, was a wrong advice! Chomsky is also for a twostate nonsolution; i.e., a minizionist, at least to me. tnx bozhidar balkas vancouver

]]> By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/two-sides-of-the-same-coin-heads-heads/#comment-47001 Mulga Mumblebrain Wed, 27 May 2009 11:59:53 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8401#comment-47001 Americans were warned about the reality of Obama by Chomsky and Nader amongst others. More to the point, no-one gets within coo-ee of political power in the US unless they are vetted and approved of by America's real rulers, the rich. To forget that unchanging verity of US life requires an act of deliberate self-deception. So I can only say, as an outsider, you have no right to be shocked. Obama started delivering great wads of gob-shite to the faces of the suckers who fell for the con from the very beginning, with the appointment of Zionist ultra Rahm Emmanuel to Chief of Staff. Obama's candidacy, declared by the Chicago Jewish News as a Zionist project, and richly supported by Wall Street, who are being repaid handsomely, as Obama is an honourable man and remembers his real friends, has to be the cleverest and most devastating coup by America's elite for some time. Obama is not just a confidence-man, who clearly lied without conscience on innumerable occasions, but he did it with the inherent expertise of a really dangerous fellow. Believe me, I fear this 'house Negro', in Malcolm X's terminology, far more than the idiot Bush. Obama is just like Blair in the UK and Rudd in Australia. A false prophet of change, replacing a detested Rightwing regime, who reveals himself as precisely the same as that which he replaced. But Blair and Rudd revealed their true features slowly, probably so as not to shock the patsies who had been dudded. Obama has revelled in backsliding, betraying and humiliating his ardent supporters. It's been 'Shock and Awe' in perfidious excess, yet many of the true believers are still in total denial. After denial comes anger, but I would imagine that too will be welcomed by Obama's real masters. After all, with a voluntary voting system, and such a contemptuous and flagrant display of the mendacity and cynical hypocrisy, and total obduracy in defeating all talk of 'change' let alone 'hope', of the fraudulent democratic system in the US, we can expect a reaction in the form of voter cynicism and withdrawal. With a generation of hopeful patsies thoroughly disillusioned, the ascendancy of the Right, ie the entire US political system, is guaranteed for another generation, at least. Americans were warned about the reality of Obama by Chomsky and Nader amongst others. More to the point, no-one gets within coo-ee of political power in the US unless they are vetted and approved of by America’s real rulers, the rich. To forget that unchanging verity of US life requires an act of deliberate self-deception. So I can only say, as an outsider, you have no right to be shocked. Obama started delivering great wads of gob-shite to the faces of the suckers who fell for the con from the very beginning, with the appointment of Zionist ultra Rahm Emmanuel to Chief of Staff. Obama’s candidacy, declared by the Chicago Jewish News as a Zionist project, and richly supported by Wall Street, who are being repaid handsomely, as Obama is an honourable man and remembers his real friends, has to be the cleverest and most devastating coup by America’s elite for some time. Obama is not just a confidence-man, who clearly lied without conscience on innumerable occasions, but he did it with the inherent expertise of a really dangerous fellow. Believe me, I fear this ‘house Negro’, in Malcolm X’s terminology, far more than the idiot Bush. Obama is just like Blair in the UK and Rudd in Australia. A false prophet of change, replacing a detested Rightwing regime, who reveals himself as precisely the same as that which he replaced. But Blair and Rudd revealed their true features slowly, probably so as not to shock the patsies who had been dudded. Obama has revelled in backsliding, betraying and humiliating his ardent supporters. It’s been ‘Shock and Awe’ in perfidious excess, yet many of the true believers are still in total denial. After denial comes anger, but I would imagine that too will be welcomed by Obama’s real masters. After all, with a voluntary voting system, and such a contemptuous and flagrant display of the mendacity and cynical hypocrisy, and total obduracy in defeating all talk of ‘change’ let alone ‘hope’, of the fraudulent democratic system in the US, we can expect a reaction in the form of voter cynicism and withdrawal. With a generation of hopeful patsies thoroughly disillusioned, the ascendancy of the Right, ie the entire US political system, is guaranteed for another generation, at least.

]]> By: rg the lg http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/two-sides-of-the-same-coin-heads-heads/#comment-46988 rg the lg Wed, 27 May 2009 01:43:34 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8401#comment-46988 When will we ever learn? We want to believe the rhetoric ... we want to believe that there will be change. We got the change we asked for ... 'the fierce urgency of now' ... and we should be content with it. To believe any different is to actually think that the revolution was, well, revolutionary. It wasn't ... it was fought to protect property ... to protect wealth. We continue to protect wealth ... . Consider the whole mess with the bail outs ... lots of people lost money ... but the really wealthy as an aggregate have not, and will not. It is NOT the role of the US-an government to protect anything but wealth. It was not the intention of Obama to change the way things were done ... but rather to assure that things would continue. Rhetorical flourishes aside ... US got what US wanted ... whether his name was Obama or McCain. McCain made a mistake by picking the Pale-One ... precisely because she represents rightward shift that our wealthy do not want. McCain was/is OK ... and he would have done nothing different from Obama ... except the rhetorical flourishes would have seemed different. We live in a myth of OUR OWN MAKING. It was created by US for US so that US do not have to admit that US are not the good guys. US, as you will already have noted, is made up of YOU and I. It is the coin, it has two sides ... it remains the coin of the realm. Only if the coin is changed will there be change. I do NOT think YOU or I really want the coin to change. Even if somehow you do, if it changed you'd remember the past fondly and wish to go back because well, US are just so comfy with our own illusions. RG the LG When will we ever learn?

We want to believe the rhetoric … we want to believe that there will be change.

We got the change we asked for … ‘the fierce urgency of now’ … and we should be content with it.

To believe any different is to actually think that the revolution was, well, revolutionary. It wasn’t … it was fought to protect property … to protect wealth. We continue to protect wealth … .

Consider the whole mess with the bail outs … lots of people lost money … but the really wealthy as an aggregate have not, and will not. It is NOT the role of the US-an government to protect anything but wealth. It was not the intention of Obama to change the way things were done … but rather to assure that things would continue. Rhetorical flourishes aside … US got what US wanted … whether his name was Obama or McCain. McCain made a mistake by picking the Pale-One … precisely because she represents rightward shift that our wealthy do not want. McCain was/is OK … and he would have done nothing different from Obama … except the rhetorical flourishes would have seemed different.

We live in a myth of OUR OWN MAKING. It was created by US for US so that US do not have to admit that US are not the good guys.

US, as you will already have noted, is made up of YOU and I. It is the coin, it has two sides … it remains the coin of the realm.

Only if the coin is changed will there be change. I do NOT think YOU or I really want the coin to change. Even if somehow you do, if it changed you’d remember the past fondly and wish to go back because well, US are just so comfy with our own illusions.

RG the LG

]]> By: beverly http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/two-sides-of-the-same-coin-heads-heads/#comment-46984 beverly Wed, 27 May 2009 00:47:59 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8401#comment-46984 Ron Harwell, not all your other options were worst. McKinney or Nader had track records and rhetoric of far more substance than anything heard from both sides of Obama's bullshit-filled mouth. Yes, these candidates were LOOONG shots to win. But the worst option for this nation is to continue the lesser of two evils voting strategy. What has lesser evil Obama wrought in less than 6 months? He has continued the business as usual corruption, corporate greed, and warmongering of his predecessors. His administration and "adviser circle (Rubin? Volker? WTF?)" are chock full of the usual suspects, many of whom were key players in legislation and policies that have brought the country and world to ruin. This past election was as good a time as any to just say no to another corporatist puppet and begin the long, hard road to electing a candidate that will truly work for the good of all the people, not just the rich and powerful. Obama showed early and often that he damn sure wasn't that candidate. Perhaps McCain would have won if more voters stepped out of lesser of two evils land and voted for the better options. Would we have seen that much of a difference with McCain in charge? Doubtful. We might have actually seen some opposition and criticism of McCain to keep him from running too amok as opposed to the silence, awestruckness, tepid hand wringing, and fear of being labeled a bigot that prevent the left from mounting any serious challenges to Obama's Bush/Clinton/Reagan Redux train wreck. Until more people get off the lesser of two evils bandwagon, real, effective change will always be a pipe dream. Ron Harwell, not all your other options were worst. McKinney or Nader had track records and rhetoric of far more substance than anything heard from both sides of Obama’s bullshit-filled mouth.

Yes, these candidates were LOOONG shots to win. But the worst option for this nation is to continue the lesser of two evils voting strategy. What has lesser evil Obama wrought in less than 6 months? He has continued the business as usual corruption, corporate greed, and warmongering of his predecessors. His administration and “adviser circle (Rubin? Volker? WTF?)” are chock full of the usual suspects, many of whom were key players in legislation and policies that have brought the country and world to ruin. This past election was as good a time as any to just say no to another corporatist puppet and begin the long, hard road to electing a candidate that will truly work for the good of all the people, not just the rich and powerful. Obama showed early and often that he damn sure wasn’t that candidate.

Perhaps McCain would have won if more voters stepped out of lesser of two evils land and voted for the better options. Would we have seen that much of a difference with McCain in charge? Doubtful. We might have actually seen some opposition and criticism of McCain to keep him from running too amok as opposed to the silence, awestruckness, tepid hand wringing, and fear of being labeled a bigot that prevent the left from mounting any serious challenges to Obama’s Bush/Clinton/Reagan Redux train wreck.

Until more people get off the lesser of two evils bandwagon, real, effective change will always be a pipe dream.

]]> By: David http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/two-sides-of-the-same-coin-heads-heads/#comment-46982 David Tue, 26 May 2009 23:07:21 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8401#comment-46982 It seems that many people continue to look for the knight in shining armor bursting over the hilltop, riding into the village just in time to save the poor oppressed peasants/middle class/business owners/millionaires/you-name-'em. Too bad; it ain't gonna happen. Ever! But dreams die hard, just like childhood fantasies and belief in the Bill of Rights. It seems that many people continue to look for the knight in shining armor bursting over the hilltop, riding into the village just in time to save the poor oppressed peasants/middle class/business owners/millionaires/you-name-’em.

Too bad; it ain’t gonna happen. Ever!

But dreams die hard, just like childhood fantasies and belief in the Bill of Rights.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/two-sides-of-the-same-coin-heads-heads/#comment-46968 bozh Tue, 26 May 2009 18:24:09 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8401#comment-46968 and, expect worsenings for children in much of the world. Expect [i've said this a few times] use of dirty bombs since US is obviously unwilling [because of fear of the domestics] to put much, much more troops in afpak. how much more troops and what kind of arms are needed to make pashtuns cry uncle, i leave that to generals to tell us. one can also conclude that they will tell that only to uncle sam and nobody else. we can give a rough guess; that's about all. How about two mn girls and boys? 100K tanks? 10K jet fighters? if my analyses are correct, or even partially correct, that means- since US wld never be able to use so much power and be safe- US will use wmd; which may not exclude silent, fumeless, or odorless ones. tnx and, expect worsenings for children in much of the world. Expect [i've said this a few times] use of dirty bombs since US is obviously unwilling [because of fear of the domestics] to put much, much more troops in afpak.
how much more troops and what kind of arms are needed to make pashtuns cry uncle, i leave that to generals to tell us.
one can also conclude that they will tell that only to uncle sam and nobody else.
we can give a rough guess; that’s about all. How about two mn girls and boys? 100K tanks? 10K jet fighters?
if my analyses are correct, or even partially correct, that means- since US wld never be able to use so much power and be safe- US will use wmd; which may not exclude silent, fumeless, or odorless ones. tnx

]]> By: Ron Harwell http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/two-sides-of-the-same-coin-heads-heads/#comment-46967 Ron Harwell Tue, 26 May 2009 18:24:07 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8401#comment-46967 I was never that convinced Obama would do what he promised as too many corporations and those with financial power finally through their weight behind him--To me that implied, business as usual. I voted for him as the other options appeared far worse, but I was never taken in with his smooth presence and eloquence. To me he showed his true colors the first 20 days and his lies became more evident with each passing day. He is continuing the Bush legacy while stroking us with uplifting rhetoric. I can't even watch him as it seems we are still under the evil death watch of the Bushites as he continues to drive this country (And our liberties) to ruin. He is now a war criminal and it is clear in intends to let the worst offenders in our history get away. I see no hope for '12 as the GOP may be preparing Powell for a run at the WH, and we know who he is. Great article. I was never that convinced Obama would do what he promised as too many corporations and those with financial power finally through their weight behind him–To me that implied, business as usual. I voted for him as the other options appeared far worse, but I was never taken in with his smooth presence and eloquence. To me he showed his true colors the first 20 days and his lies became more evident with each passing day. He is continuing the Bush legacy while stroking us with uplifting rhetoric. I can’t even watch him as it seems we are still under the evil death watch of the Bushites as he continues to drive this country (And our liberties) to ruin. He is now a war criminal and it is clear in intends to let the worst offenders in our history get away. I see no hope for ‘12 as the GOP may be preparing Powell for a run at the WH, and we know who he is. Great article.

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